Oh the media..lol

[Bubblehead1980]

Love watching the media squirm as Herman Cain rises in the polls.Every liberal commentator tries to downplay what is happening because they are afraid, just great to watch them try to save face lol. They want Perry or Romney, Romney is a dud and won't motivate the party, Perry is a fool who will push away independents.Cain is rising for a reason, because he is real.They are trying to say he is on a book tour instead of the campaign and that his candidacy is a PR stunt lol, they know the book is part of the campaign but just want to pretend because they know he could bring Barry down.Nothing like watching liberal media rats squirm:arrgh!:

[Hottentot]

Fun that you have fun.

[Tribesman]

Fun that you have fun.
Its always fun on planet bubble, it what they have been putting in the water.

[AVGWarhawk]

Cain could do well if he keeps his focus. As far as his book tour, the book is top 10 at Amazon as of today. Many say he is giving up campaigning for a month to handle a book tour. The books title. "This is Herman Cain: My Journey to the White House". Sounds like a book tour/campaigning strategy to me. And what a nice way to finance his campaign I say. Herman is making it very interesting.

[Tchocky]

Romney's serious and intelligent, but also misguided and slightly desperate. Perry is ignorant in the most insidious way. Cain is...silly. I realise he earnestly believes what he's going on about, but when he advocates for 3-page-bills and a return to the Gold Standard, I can't read him any other way. I'd call his book title charitably aspirational, and realistically delusional.

[AVGWarhawk]

Romney's serious and intelligent, but also misguided and slightly desperate. Perry is ignorant in the most insidious way. Cain is...silly. I realise he earnestly believes what he's going on about, but when he advocates for 3-page-bills and a return to the Gold Standard, I can't read him any other way. I'd call his book title charitably aspirational, and realistically delusional.

Where does Obama stand IYO?

3 page bills sure beat 1900 page bills full of pork that no one reads but all vote on and pass. :doh:

What standard should we go instead of gold? Rice?

[mookiemookie]

Where does Obama stand IYO?

3 page bills sure beat 1900 page bills full of pork that no one reads but all vote on and pass. :doh:

What standard should we go instead of gold? Rice?

False alternatives.

A set of stereo instructions is not three pages long. I've cooked recipes that were more than three pages long. To honestly advocate that a law which will affect millions of people in millions of different circumstances be three pages long is silly.

And a gold standard in inherently inflexible when it comes to monetary policy and presents significant problems to a globalized economy. No country on earth is on the gold standard. That should tell you something.

[AVGWarhawk]

False alternatives.

A set of stereo instructions is not three pages long. I've cooked recipes that were more than three pages long. To honestly advocate that a law which will affect millions of people in millions of different circumstances be three pages long is silly.

And a gold standard in inherently inflexible when it comes to monetary policy. No country on earth is on the gold standard as it is a global economy these days. That should tell you something.


Yes, a 1900+ healthcare bill unread because Pelosie wanted to get home for Christmas is much better. :doh:

Just answer the question...what would be better for the standard than gold? Wheat? Pork bellies? Number of posts at Subsim?

[Armistead]

The reasons bills are so long now is they must deal with every legal angle, if they don't lawyers in court will write the bills, instead of lawyers in congress.

[AVGWarhawk]

Amendments.

The bills are long because additional pork is added.

[nikimcbee]

Yes, a 1900+ healthcare bill unread because Pelosie wanted to get home for Christmas is much better. :doh:

Just answer the question...what would be better for the standard than gold? Wheat? Pork bellies? Number of posts at Subsim?

You mean you can't hide your pet projects in a 3 page bill?:hmmm:

The >1900 page bills are the shovel ready jobs for the lawyers.:shifty:

[AVGWarhawk]

You mean you can't hide your pet projects in a 3 page bill?:hmmm:

The >1900 page bills are the shovel ready jobs for the lawyers.:shifty:

:har:

Good one!

[AVGWarhawk]

So here we have a guy (Cain) that wants to ( KISS) kept it simple stupid and he is seen as some sort of lunatic. :hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

A set of stereo instructions is not three pages long. I've cooked recipes that were more than three pages long. To honestly advocate that a law which will affect millions of people in millions of different circumstances be three pages long is silly.


:haha: That's because half of the instructions are "don't put the bag on you head, etc", then everything is multilingual. Just spliting hairs though.:D

I think I agree with you (mookie) on the gold standard issue, but I don't know enough about the part of economics to really say much. I would think that there's not enough gold for everybody to use it as their standard.:06:

[Tchocky]

Where does Obama stand IYO?
Disappointing overall. A combination of believing that he could split the Congressional difference between a mostly cohesive Democratic Party and increasingly reactionary GOP that wasn't interested at all - and an overestimation of the power of the executive in such an ideologically divided government. I suppose that the ascendancy of the Tea Party in the House wasn't to be foreseen when he was campaigning, this combined with the heightened expectations (everybody's fault I guess) after inauguration made the 2010 House election results a real nasty surprise.

Obama has also kept some of the worst facets of the Bush Administration in practice. This one is interesting to me because of the difference between the cack-handed way the previous administration handled the so-called War On Terror, and the results that have been shown under this administration. Would there have been so much uproar about civil liberties etc had people like Bin-Laden and Awlaki been killed in May-October 2003? I'm not sure. Instead we had 6 years of politicised rubbish. I'd like to think I'd still be aghast at extralegal activities, but I can't deny that it was a lot easier to criticise Bush, the guy made it easy.

3 page bills sure beat 1900 page bills full of pork that no one reads but all vote on and pass. :doh: I think Cain was trying to appeal to the sentiment in your post. Nobody likes pork* or legislators who rubberstamp bills, but Cain's remarks show that he either doesn't understand that governing a nation of 300+million prople can be complex, or that he does understand it but believes his prospective voters don't or don't wish to.

*Regarding the pork - look how many Representatives campaigned on no-earmarks etc, but end up pleading their case once their own districts come into play? I'm not saying they're wrong to try and get money into their district, after all many earmarks and supplementary requests can be very beneficial to strugglin economies, which is exactly one of the things that government can do to help. I just think that the pledges were ill-thought through at best, and abusive at worst.

What standard should we go instead of gold? Rice?Stay on fiat money. Tying a currency to a precious metal only ensures that inflationary and deflationary dangers are now random products of commodities markets. Instead of having $50 bill that you know will buy $50 worth of goods adjusted for normal market-economy-based rates of inflatio/deflation, you have a $50 bill that will buy as many goods as the government mandated equivalent value of gold will buy. All you're doing is tying the value of your money to either the random value of a random metal, or what the government thinks you should be able to buy. And the second one runs into an awful lot of trouble with the first.

Currencies are volatile enough in their current stable state, if you get me.

[nikimcbee]

:har:

Good one!

That's what I'm here for.:D

Maybe we should re-visit the line item veto again?:hmmm: I think they should force congress to read the bills and write up a summary before they can vote on it. No summary by time X, you forfeit your vote. Then maybe, those smurfing politicians would do their job and spend less time golfing and going on vacation.

One addition, the elected person must read it! Not the intern, not the staff. I think if they made the politicians job as uncomfortable as possible, you weed out the career politicians.

[mookiemookie]

Disappointing overall. A combination of believing that he could split the Congressional difference between a mostly cohesive Democratic Party and increasingly reactionary GOP that wasn't interested at all - and an overestimation of the power of the executive in such an ideologically divided government. I suppose that the ascendancy of the Tea Party in the House wasn't to be foreseen when he was campaigning, this combined with the heightened expectations (everybody's fault I guess) after inauguration made the 2010 House election results a real nasty surprise.

Obama has also kept some of the worst facets of the Bush Administration in practice. This one is interesting to me because of the difference between the cack-handed way the previous administration handled the so-called War On Terror, and the results that have been shown under this administration. Would there have been so much uproar about civil liberties etc had people like Bin-Laden and Awlaki been killed in May-October 2003? I'm not sure. Instead we had 6 years of politicised rubbish. I'd like to think I'd still be aghast at extralegal activities, but I can't deny that it was a lot easier to criticise Bush, the guy made it easy.

I think Cain was trying to appeal to the sentiment in your post. Nobody likes pork* or legislators who rubberstamp bills, but Cain's remarks show that he either doesn't understand that governing a nation of 300+million prople can be complex, or that he does understand it but believes his prospective voters don't or don't wish to.

*Regarding the pork - look how many Representatives campaigned on no-earmarks etc, but end up pleading their case once their own districts come into play? I'm not saying they're wrong to try and get money into their district, after all many earmarks and supplementary requests can be very beneficial to strugglin economies, which is exactly one of the things that government can do to help. I just think that the pledges were ill-thought through at best, and abusive at worst.

Stay on fiat money. Tying a currency to a precious metal only ensures that inflationary and deflationary dangers are now random products of commodities markets. Instead of having $50 bill that you know will buy $50 worth of goods adjusted for normal market-economy-based rates of inflatio/deflation, you have a $50 bill that will buy as many goods as the government mandated equivalent value of gold will buy. All you're doing is tying the value of your money to either the random value of a random metal, or what the government thinks you should be able to buy. And the second one runs into an awful lot of trouble with the first.

Currencies are volatile enough in their current stable state, if you get me.

Spot on post.

[Tribesman]

So here we have a guy (Cain) that wants to ( KISS) kept it simple stupid and he is seen as some sort of lunatic.
Yes.
Its called dumb populism.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes.
Its called dumb populism.

The people against the elite?

Sounds very familiar to what the country experienced two years ago. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

I think Cain was trying to appeal to the sentiment in your post. Nobody likes pork* or legislators who rubberstamp bills, but Cain's remarks show that he either doesn't understand that governing a nation of 300+million prople can be complex, or that he does understand it but believes his prospective voters don't or don't wish to.

And what we have in the WH now or campaigning understands it any better? :hmmm: Seems to me we are have a president that is after all a politician. There are others looking to take the position that are also politicians. Time to find a non-politician and give it a go.

[Tribesman]

The people against the elite?

No, the elite convincing the people that they are against the elite and for the people.

Sounds very familiar to what the country experienced two years ago.
Is that the big business funded "popular" movement against big business getting taxed and regulated by the evil gubmint?

[flatsixes]

Let's all get up to date. (http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/06/06/herman-cain-says-return-to-gold-standard-might-be-too-difficult/)

Cain***8217;s earlier stance was that the country was wrong to abandon the gold standard because it has caused runaway inflation and spending. He advocated for tying the dollar to the price of gold.

Asked if he was admitting he was wrong about his previous position, Cain answered: ***8220;I didn***8217;t say I was wrong, no. I made the statement that we should get back to the gold standard. Now I have gone back and done some more work and found out from one of my senior advisers that it***8217;s going to be more difficult than possible, so I don***8217;t want to mislead people.

Fair enough?

Now, I don't know how I feel about Cain as president (yet), but given the current administration and crop of challengers I'd be foolish to ignore anyone who isn't noticeably drooling.

[Ducimus]

but given the current administration and crop of challengers I'd be foolish to ignore anyone who isn't noticeably drooling.

Drooling idiots is the best we can do. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07w9K2XR3f0)

[AVGWarhawk]

No, the elite convincing the people that they are against the elite and for the people.


Is that the big business funded "popular" movement against big business getting taxed and regulated by the evil gubmint?


No, I misunderstood your comment on dumb populism.

[Tribesman]

Fair enough?
Yeah, fair enough, his earlier statement was when he was hanging around with Glenn Beck and now he has spoken to an advisor that says there is more to life and economics than the chalkboard of conspiracy.


Now, I don't know how I feel about Cain as president (yet), but given the current administration and crop of challengers I'd be foolish to ignore anyone who isn't noticeably drooling.
So does that mean Bachmann can be safely ignored?

[AVGWarhawk]

the chalkboard of conspiracy.

I like that! :up:


So does that mean Bachmann can be safely ignored?

Absolutely.

But I still like Cain. :O:

[Tribesman]

No, I misunderstood your comment on dumb populism.
Look on the bright side AVG, you should see our current 7 candidates for President.
The non political candidates are doing a very good job of killing their own campaigns and the political ones are mainly shooting themselves and each other in equal measure.

[AVGWarhawk]

Look on the bright side AVG, you should see our current 7 candidates for President.
The non political candidates are doing a very good job of killing their own campaigns and the political ones are mainly shooting themselves and each other in equal measure.


Makes for great entertainment. :haha:

However, the country is discontent with the current administration. I'm not sure what the answer is and I hope it does not turn into a 'less of two evils' election.

[soopaman2]

I am generally skeptical of my political system and consider myself a centrist. I am typically democrat leaning (though not registered as so) I voted for Bush the last 2 times and for Obama this time. So I guess I don't pick sides....(2 headed monster)

But I am liking Mr.Cain. He seems like a genuine human, not teleprompter dependant. His foreign policy is critisized but a good cabinet will counter that. I only want a man who can stand up to congress and use the presidency as it should be. A bully pulpit, which is why I'm angry at Obama and Dems.

Perry is a poison pill, and Mitt is a conservative version of Obama, Bachmann is a lunatic (please don't get me started)

Who else???

Herman Cain. My only question is, is he willing to push congress around when they start their obstructionist garbage? (Like Clinton did, and Bush did also, Obama didn't)
I think he will, and I'm always for rooting for the underdog.

[AVGWarhawk]

As I stated, I like Cain. Not a politician like the others. Not the perfect candidate but who is? At this juncture I support Cain because I do not believe he will let Congress use him as a doormat.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

At this juncture I support Cain because I do not believe he will let Congress use him as a doormat.:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

:har:

Glad you find it amusing. :hmmm: Current state of the country I do not find amusing. :03:

[Tribesman]

Glad you find it amusing
Come on AVG, it does sound kinda like buying that changy hopey line people got sold last time.

[AVGWarhawk]

Come on AVG, it does sound kinda like buying that changy hopey line people got sold last time.


Can we find a better line from any of the 7 running? Can we find a better line from the one in the position already?:O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Today's word in DC is surtax. :doh:

[flatsixes]

Today's word in DC is surtax. :doh:

You mean its back to where I have to earn a million bucks a year before I can pay my fair share? Damn. I feel so..... dirty. :woot:

[Tribesman]

Can we find a better line from any of the 7 running?
7? Its 7 over here.
You have 8 main
plus a bunch of complete no hopers, another couple of maybe runs and loads of "major" drop outs already....and thats only for one party.
As for a better line, which one is willing to say "I will be pretty much like the last president who was pretty much like the last president who was pretty much like the last president who....."
Thats "change" you can believe in and would be that rarest of things, a relatively honest candidate.

Heres a thought for you though, given that bubbles seems very exited about the poll how do you interpret it that the pick up in numbers seems for Cain to be from the more lunatic fringe candidates previous supporters?

[AVGWarhawk]

Poor performance in debating. I think Perry has permanently lost that support as a result.

[Takeda Shingen]

Barack Obama will be re-elected as President of the United States and it will not be through strength of his campaign or track record in office.

[Platapus]

Barack Obama will be re-elected as President of the United States and it will not be through strength of his campaign or track record in office.

It will be by the voters NOT voting for the other guy......again :nope:

[Ducimus]

It will be by the voters NOT voting for the other guy......again :nope:

I forget the exact words, but Bush Jr summed it up best during the presidential debates before his second term, they were something along the lines of.. "with me at least you know what your getting", or words to that effect. When he made that statement (or words to that effect), i kinda knew deep down, he was going to be re elected. People go with the BS they know. That said, im not entirely sure Obama will keep with the current trend and get his second term, because there's a lot of hatred floating around these days.

[Penguin]

Does anybody know about Herman Cain's position on creationism? I find no real proof in the web. To me it would make the difference between a candidate with skewed but still acceptable positions and a candidate with insane beliefs.

[soopaman2]

Poor performance in debating. I think Perry has permanently lost that support as a result.

Perry will lose because of his stance on immigration. The allowing anchor babies in state tuition. It's a hotpoint that rubs both the left and right the wrong way, due to the economy and the xenophobia that comes with bad economical times.

Either way, theres gonna be an african American in the white house, let's just hope they aren't spineless.

[AVGWarhawk]

Barack Obama will be re-elected as President of the United States and it will not be through strength of his campaign or track record in office.

I know exactly what you are thinking and you are right.

[AVGWarhawk]

Perry will lose because of his stance on immigration. The allowing anchor babies in state tuition. It's a hotpoint that rubs both the left and right the wrong way, due to the economy and the xenophobia that comes with bad economical times.

Either way, theres gonna be an african American in the white house, let's just hope they aren't spineless.

In part yes, his immigration ideas do not sit well with many.

[yubba]

Yes we Cain, so we voted for Obama to prove that we weren't racists, so now, we need to vote for Herman to prove that we aren't stupid, any thing that makes the establishment squirm I like. I also take great joy in watching the media squirm, they backed the wrong horse, I'll never trust the network news ever again, they sold us out. Can't report on solargate, fast an furious, I guess CBS is trying to report on this too save face, and that little rebellion on wall street, but there is this rock in texas that was painted over. Cain and Palin :woot:

[CaptainHaplo]

A set of stereo instructions is not three pages long. I've cooked recipes that were more than three pages long. To honestly advocate that a law which will affect millions of people in millions of different circumstances be three pages long is silly.

Or it is indicative of how much the proponent of such a thing feels about the role of government in the lives of millions of people.

The US Constitution is a grand total of 5 pages counting the Bill of Rights. Add one page for the transmittal - a whopping total of 6 pages.

http://www.constitution.org/cs_found.htm

Minimal bills in government create minimal burder upon the citizenry.

Mr. Cain understands that what this country needs is for government to get out of the way.

[Sailor Steve]

The US Constitution is a grand total of 5 pages counting the Bill of Rights. Add one page for the transmittal - a whopping total of 6 pages.
But that was then. They didn't know what's good for us like our leaders do now. :dead:

[razark]

But that was then.
And there hasn't been the slightest bit of disagreement over what they meant since they signed it, either.

[CaptainHaplo]

Its worked fine until some people decided that what it said had to mean more than what it said. Thus, the intrusion of government into daily life.

[August]

But that was then. They didn't know what's good for us like our leaders do now. :dead:

There are those who feel we were lucky to have survived our brush with self determination...

[CaptainMattJ.]

i cant call myself a conservative in any sense, but some of the things these "liberals" believe is just re=idiculous.

illegal immigration, gun control, death penalty, affirmative action, and private property rights are something me and the "conservatives" can agree upon.

But after that, the agreements end. I dont tend to associate with either side. But I lean more left than right.

its not like it matters though. liberal or conservative, some things are self evident. Illegal immigrants shouldnt be given amnesty after breaking our laws and using our system. There should be a complete seperation of church and state. Minorities shouldnt just suddenly get more opportunities unfairly because they are minorities, ect so on and so forth,

and its becoming ridiculous how idiotic people have become. It seems that all of Washington has become exceptionally incompetent, and corrupt, and cant stand up to a drop of biased criticism to stand up for whats right.

[Tribesman]

Its worked fine until some people decided that what it said had to mean more than what it said.
The arguements about what it said and what it meant occured all through the writing and signing and have continued ever since.
The very people who signed it argued both before and after signing on what it said and what it meant.

[Sailor Steve]

Its worked fine until some people decided that what it said had to mean more than what it said. Thus, the intrusion of government into daily life.

The arguements about what it said and what it meant occured all through the writing and signing and have continued ever since.
The very people who signed it argued both before and after signing on what it said and what it meant.
Exactly what I was going to say. Anyone who doesn't believe it should read up on the founding of the National Bank, or the assumption of State debts to Britain by the Federal Government. The arguments between Hamilton and Madison should be eye-openers to anyone who thinks this is a new thing.