View Full Version : Knox acquitted of Kercher murder
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 04:44 PM
Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito have been acquitted of the murder of UK student Meredith Kercher following a successful appeal in Perugia, Italy.
Miss Knox, 24, and her ex-boyfriend Mr Sollecito, 27, had spent nearly four years in jail since they were convicted of killing the 21-year-old, from Coulsdon, south London, in 2007.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15158163
I Have Followed it there for a time ....an appeal is probably to be expected.
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 05:07 PM
The US will never allow her to be extradited back to that farcical judicial system.
It's probably true, but the case might be in Europe Court.
Good for them I suppose; frankly I'm just tired of their trial-by-media. As many problems as both sides of this case have, I don't think it's fair for this to have become as big a public issue as it has. The case as such sets no precedents and, from a legal standpoint, is mundane (if truly tragic). I hope it retreats from public eye soon; sadly, I fear the next step will be the book deals and talk show appearances.
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 05:14 PM
Wouldn't matter, she has plenty of support in her country and there are major question marks surrounding the amatureish way the investigation was conducted and how she was treated.
It's a mess from top to bottom, and not a shining example of Italian policing... :damn:
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 05:29 PM
It's a mess from top to bottom, and not a shining example of Italian policing... :damn:
Rgr that :yep:
Platapus
10-03-11, 06:17 PM
I guess we will never know whether she did it or not.
She will do OK, a book deal, movie and tv appearances. She wont do too badly.
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 06:34 PM
Given the choice though I reckon I'd rather have the four years of my life back...if that were possible.
AVGWarhawk
10-03-11, 06:42 PM
Wouldn't matter, she has plenty of support in her country and there are major question marks surrounding the amatureish way the investigation was conducted and how she was treated.
I agree 100%. Evidence concerning DNA collected 46 days after the fact. Seemed there was a rush to judgement. Then fuel it with the media plastering, "Sex Crazed Couple", "Violent Deadly Sex Act" etc. It is not a wonder the world followed.
AVGWarhawk
10-03-11, 06:43 PM
I guess we will never know whether she did it or not.
She will do OK, a book deal, movie and tv appearances. She wont do too badly.
She is marked. Much like Lewinsky and Anthony are. Normalcy is not in their vocabulary anymore.
Herr-Berbunch
10-03-11, 06:49 PM
That's four years gone, and what life now? Even the inevitable book deal and chat-shows (that I hope she doesn't do) won't last forever - and they'll always be guilty in the eyes of some. And let's not forget Meredith's family - either pissed off that their daughter's killer is freed, or has always been free! Not a position I envy.
Me? I'm waiting for the FHM shoot. :o
magicstix
10-03-11, 06:54 PM
Here we go, another media frenzy trial that ended in a way different from how Nancy Grace said it should...
I'm glad we have court systems that look at actual evidence instead of convicting people using mob rule. It's utterly shameful how the UK media has openly supported Knox's conviction regardless of what the evidence has said. I'm surprised she was able to get a fair trial at all, and I'm not sure that she has, given she was convicted of "defamation" for her allegations of mistreatment at the hands of Italian police...
Jimbuna
10-03-11, 07:15 PM
She is marked. Much like Lewinsky and Anthony are. Normalcy is not in their vocabulary anymore.
Rgr that.
Torplexed
10-03-11, 07:38 PM
Needless to say, it's been the big news story today here in Seattle. After what she's been through she'll probably be terrified to step into a pizzeria, let alone travel outside the country again. Which is a shame for an exchange student who once had a passion for travel and Italy.
Whether she wants to or not she'll likely have to get out there at some point and peddle her life story for whatever it's worth. It sounds like the Knox family's assets are zero or less after four years of appeals, summons and trips to and from Europe.
Jimbuna
10-04-11, 02:59 AM
Well I wish her well because I'm of the opinion she has suffered a great deal already and deserves something better out of life.
My thought are obviously with the Kercher family at this trying time.
Castout
10-04-11, 03:29 AM
I think she's guilty.
But I'm sure she's faking a look in one of the clip i saw on CNN. I don't like people who fake their look to look a certain way. The way she blinked betrayed it. If she's faking it she's lying. If she's lying she's guilty.
At the very least she's of questionable character. She's a liar.
of course I have no proof.
Well I wish her well because I'm of the opinion she has suffered a great deal already and deserves something better out of life.
My thought are obviously with the Kercher family at this trying time.
with "her", that is with whom? Knox?
I haven't read the wiki article about that murder yet but according to what I heard in the news, the DNA matched (I mean the Knox's with the one found on the victim) but this proof was rejected as it was taken improperly.
of course I have no proof.
Not only do you have no proof, you have no motive either.
VipertheSniper
10-04-11, 07:52 AM
I'm surprised she was able to get a fair trial at all, and I'm not sure that she has, given she was convicted of "defamation" for her allegations of mistreatment at the hands of Italian police...
I've read in the papers that she was guilty of defaming the owner of a bar as the possible perpetrator of the crime. And that she served that sentence already.
Not only do you have no proof, you have no motive either.
I encourage you to watch Scream. Matthew Lillard (Stuart)explains there what is the best motive for a murder.
Hottentot
10-04-11, 09:30 AM
I encourage you to watch Scream. Matthew Lillard (Stuart)explains there what is the best motive for a murder.
And what is it in a nutshell?
MothBalls
10-04-11, 11:39 AM
O.J. was found not guilty too, remember ? 16 years ago to the day.And where is he now? Bwaaahaaaa
"It just goes to show what happens in America when you try to frame a guilty man" ~Jay Leno about OJ
Jimbuna
10-04-11, 12:39 PM
with "her", that is with whom? Knox?
I haven't read the wiki article about that murder yet but according to what I heard in the news, the DNA matched (I mean the Knox's with the one found on the victim) but this proof was rejected as it was taken improperly.
Speculation is going to take place regardless no matter what any individual believes.
I wish Knox well and my sympathies and thoughts I also extend to the Kercher family.
If I ever find out what definitely happened and by whom (which is doubtful) I'll try to be more definitive.
@Jimbuna
I was just asking. Ofc there will always be speculations, especially after they were released. After all, it was stated somewhere that this Guede must have had accomplices. So I assume that the Italian court will have to find a new couple (yes, lots of irony here). I agree that mistakes made during the investigation, lack of evidences etc should work in favor of defendant. However, now it looks like the poor immigrant had not enough cash to void proofs risen against him. On the other hand...
Do you recall Jakub Tomczak's case(Exeter, 2006)?
@Hottentot
"Did you hear that, Stu?I think she wants a motive.
Well, I don't really believe in motive, Sid. See, it's a lot scarier
when there's no motive, Sid."
Drugs, alcohol- enough motive with no motive for me. And I haven't read the police files. Tho I agree that the motives given by the prosecution and quoted on wiki sound pretty dumb, at least most of them.(without reading case files).
Jimbuna
10-04-11, 02:24 PM
@Jimbuna
I was just asking. Ofc there will always be speculations, especially after they were released. After all, it was stated somewhere that this Guede must have had accomplices. So I assume that the Italian court will have to find a new couple (yes, lots of irony here). I agree that mistakes made during the investigation, lack of evidences etc should work in favor of defendant. However, now it looks like the poor immigrant had not enough cash to void proofs risen against him. On the other hand...
Do you recall Jakub Tomczak's case(Exeter, 2006)?
@Hottentot
"Did you hear that, Stu?I think she wants a motive.
Well, I don't really believe in motive, Sid. See, it's a lot scarier
when there's no motive, Sid."
Drugs, alcohol- enough motive with no motive for me. And I haven't read the police files. Tho I agree that the motives given by the prosecution and quoted on wiki sound pretty dumb, at least most of them.(without reading case files).
Absolutely no problem....we are all entitled to an opinion.
I encourage you to watch Scream. Matthew Lillard (Stuart)explains there what is the best motive for a murder.
Movie? Seriously? :-?
Jimbuna
10-04-11, 02:40 PM
LOL :DL
Movie? Seriously? :-?
What is serious here, is your problem with understanding my point.
Dunno if you are some homegrown lawyer, but the times of is fecit cui prodest are gone.
I don't care if she is guilty or not. This case stinks and that is for sure.
@Jimbuna
too bad you didn't want to refer to the case I mentioned.
What is serious here, is your problem with understanding my point.
I would submit that if you are reduced to using movie analogies to make your point then your point is not worth understanding.
Platapus
10-04-11, 07:16 PM
I never thought that Knox was guilty of murder. To me, they were involved in some BDSM play while not only being inexperienced but intoxicated (both bad things) and Kercher was killed.
Involuntary manslaughter. There was no intent to kill and hence no "motive".
Knox and her ex spent four years in prison which is a normal sentence for Involuntary Manslaughter in this country.
In my eyes, she just finished serving her "full" sentence.
Her family is rich, even if Knox gets sued for everything she has, her family can still support her.
Probably her family will "write" the book so the proceeds won't be in Knox's name. She may lose the TV appearance money but that's not really a lot of money and as previously pointed out, very very short lived.
I really never understood why they went for Murder on this one. :nope:
Torplexed
10-04-11, 07:51 PM
Well, she just finished a press conference after touching down in Seattle. She looked fairly emotional and spoke for less than a minute and had to be reminded to speak in English. I get the sense that she is still overwhelmed and exhausted by the experience. The Knox family is almost a million dollars in debt with legal bills after this ordeal so I imagine at some point she's going have to work up the courage to sell her story.
There was no intent to kill and hence no "motive".
August's brilliant ideas taking their toll. No intent to kill but she had intent of blaming someone else for something she "hadn't done" (the guy won the trial against her)
I'm not sure if I can follow this logic- "no motive" equals to what?
Knox and her ex spent four years in prison which is a normal sentence for Involuntary Manslaughter in this country.
right...like US legal regulations have anything to do here...
Probably her family will "write" the book so the proceeds won't be in Knox's name.
Can't wait to read that. Would be a great counterbalance to her diary which shows her to be a wicked slut.
I would submit that if you are reduced to using movie analogies to make your point then your point is not worth understanding.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4536/36917219687aae70c9dd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/36917219687aae70c9dd.jpg/)
Can't wait to read that. Would be a great counterbalance to her diary which shows her to be a wicked slut.
Sounds to me like you have something against this poor woman. Is it just her in particular or is your disdain more broadly defined?
joegrundman
10-05-11, 08:37 AM
I never thought that Knox was guilty of murder. To me, they were involved in some BDSM play while not only being inexperienced but intoxicated (both bad things) and Kercher was killed.
Involuntary manslaughter. There was no intent to kill and hence no "motive".
Knox and her ex spent four years in prison which is a normal sentence for Involuntary Manslaughter in this country.
In my eyes, she just finished serving her "full" sentence.
Her family is rich, even if Knox gets sued for everything she has, her family can still support her.
Probably her family will "write" the book so the proceeds won't be in Knox's name. She may lose the TV appearance money but that's not really a lot of money and as previously pointed out, very very short lived.
I really never understood why they went for Murder on this one. :nope:
do you have some reason for this point of view? is it some kind of triangulation thing?
Osmium Steele
10-05-11, 09:30 AM
her diary which shows her to be a wicked slut.
You say that like it is a bad thing...
Sounds to me like you have something against this poor woman. Is it just her in particular or is your disdain more broadly defined?
Sir, you must have missed this:
Her family is rich
Oh, you mean poor. Well, I wouldn't call poor anyone in this case.
Even the victim. Let me explain: if you take drugs, drink alcohol and have sex with people who you know for 42 days or you don't know at all, you risk a lot.
When it comes to my disdain. It was never pointed at Knox. I would say it was pointed at the system which first sentenced her for 26 years and after two years of constant pressure decides that the proofs are no longer to be treated as valid and releases her. Speculating whether she is guilty or not would lead to nowhere. I found here opinions (her defense) that were contradictory to mine so I expressed it.
You say that like it is a bad thing...
it's not a bad thing as long as it doesn't lead to someone's death.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 11:59 AM
The Knox family is not rich. Don Trump helped finance her legal defense.
"It's about time this happened, it was ridiculous. She was never guilty, all the evidence proved that," Trump said. "Hopefully she's now going to recapture her life, and do a good job in doing it. And maybe, frankly, become a big star and somehow she can get some dividends out of this nightmare for herself."
While Trump didn't specify whether he'll personally aid Knox in any star-making endeavors, he did say that he's offered support to her family.
"I've been supporting the family and helping the family and I'll continue to help the family. They went through a lot; I just felt badly," he said. "For her to spend four years in a terrible jail is just outrageous."
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/04/donald-trump-amanda-knox-could-be-a-star/
nikimcbee
10-05-11, 12:03 PM
So what do they do from here (the Italian cops). Do they re-open the case? The one Brit girl didn't kill herself. For the investigation, how do they procede? I'd amagine they just don't drop the case.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 12:05 PM
The case stays open and unsolved for now. Much like we have here in the states. Ask OJ, he is still looking for the murderer.
Bilge_Rat
10-05-11, 12:13 PM
the only person who claimed that there was a "sex orgy" was the prosecutor and there was no evidence of that.
The only thing we know for sure is that Meredith Kercher was stabbed 40 times and that fingerprints and DNA of Rudy Guede, who was found guilty of the murder, was found all over her room. He already had a criminal record for committing similar break ins in the area.
The rest was just made up by the prosecutor.
Then, in 2007, came the murder of Meredith Kercher. Mignini took up the case with a vengeance. He and the entire Perugian power establishment, who approved various stages in the investigation and subsequent arrests, rushed to judgment. Believing that Knox's behaviour after the killing was less than normal, they hauled her in for a gruelling and possibly abusive 14-hour interrogation and extracted a compromising statement from her. That was enough.
They held a press conference, at which the chief of police of Perugia announced that they had identified the killers: Knox, her boyfriend Sollecito, and a third individual, Patrick Lumumba. Caso chiuso, they said. Case closed.
Over the next week, the crime scene was analysed. Much of the evidence, no doubt to the great surprise and dismay of the police and Mignini, pointed to an unknown fourth person. His bloody handprints and DNA were everywhere on the crime scene, as well as the victim, who had been sexually assaulted. The suspect was quickly identified as a drifter and small-time crook named Rudy Guede, who had fled to Germany the day after the murder. He was picked up and brought back.
The evidence against him was overwhelming and he admitted he was present when Kercher was attacked; he confessed that he left her dying and fled, fearing he would be blamed.
He claimed someone else had done it while he was in the bathroom, listening to his iPod, his ears plugged, unable to hear her screams.
At this point, in any rational investigation, Knox and Sollecito would have been released. But Mignini's career - and the reputation of the police force and judiciary - hung in the balance.
To admit such a colossal mistake would humiliate them in front of the entire world. It would be a massive loss of face. This was especially acute for Mignini, who was already under indictment in the Monster case.
Furthermore, Guede had been involved in a string of crimes, for which he had never been prosecuted by the Perugian police. An enduring mystery is why Guede was repeatedly released after committing serious crimes, such as breaking and entering while in possession of a knife. If it turned out Guede had murdered Kercher alone, hard questions would be asked of the Perugian police and prosecutors about why they had repeatedly released him.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/knox-acquittal-only-possible-verdict?intcmp=239
The Italian justice system looks like a bunch of Keystone cops.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 12:14 PM
the only person who claimed that there was a "sex orgy" was the prosecutor and there was no evidence of that.
And the media played on that for 4 years because it attracts viewer/readership.
frau kaleun
10-05-11, 12:15 PM
So what do they do from here (the Italian cops). Do they re-open the case? The one Brit girl didn't kill herself. For the investigation, how do they procede? I'd amagine they just don't drop the case.
Originally three individuals were convicted of the murder - only Knox and her ex-boyfriend have appealed their convictions and won. The third individual is, as far as I know, still serving whatever sentence he got.
I also seem to remember hearing that someone had confessed to the killing and was already in jail, but can't say for sure if they were referring to that third person who was also convicted or some *other* person who was in jail for something else and then confessed to this killing.
Whether or not the third individual remains in jail because he has no real grounds for an appeal, or simply because he lacks the means and support with which to mount one, or because he did confess and it ends there - I don't know.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 12:19 PM
Whatever the case, Knox is out of the country and back in Seattle. Return to Italy for any reason is not in her future. :03:
Whatever the case, Knox is out of the country and back in Seattle. Return to Italy for any reason is not in her future. :03:
that sounds like roman polanski's strategy up to 2009.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 01:09 PM
that sounds like roman polanski's strategy up to 2009.
Similar but Knox has been found innocent. Polanski openly admitted his extra curricular activity with a minor.
soopaman2
10-05-11, 01:10 PM
If she wasn't a pretty young girl none of us would have heard about it.
Picture if it was a fat thirtysomething white man. No one would care (the media) enough to follow it this long. American citizens get caught up in foreign countries all the time.
AVGWarhawk
10-05-11, 01:15 PM
If she wasn't a pretty young girl none of us would have heard about it.
Picture if it was a fat thirtysomething white man. No one would care (the media) enough to follow it this long. American citizens get caught up in foreign countries all the time.
You mean like these two guys that we all hear about just hiking:
Shane Bauer and Joshua Fattal, the two U.S. hikers imprisoned in Iran for the past two years, sprinted to freedom today down the steps of a Royal Omani Air Force jet onto a tarmac in Muscat, Oman.
:O:
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