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Skybird
10-03-11, 04:50 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,789624,00.html


US President Barack Obama has recently suggested that Europe must take on more debt to stimulate the economy. Such reliance on cheap money, though, is what got us into the current crisis in the first place -- both in Europe and in the US. America's problem isn't too little money. It's a lack of competitive products.

"The Broken Jug" is one of the most frequently performed plays in German theater. With the village judge Adam, who passes judgment on a crime he committed himself, Heinrich von Kleist created one of the classic comedic figures of world literature.

US President Barack Obama currently seems to be portraying a modern version of Kleist's village judge. He is increasingly vocal in his criticism of Europeans for supposedly having exacerbated the ongoing economic crisis with their caution. His audience, however, seems to sense that the plight Obama is lamenting originated in his own country.

It stems from a doctrine that has dominated economic thought for the last two decades and consists of two elements: turbo-capitalism, whose only tenet is that any regulation of financial markets inhibits growth, and its more accommodating but no less dangerous brother, turbo-Keynesianism.

American economists, central bankers and fiscal policy makers have reinterpreted British economist John Maynard Keynes's clever idea that government spending is the best way to counteract a serious economic downturn -- and have turned it into a permanent prescription. In their version of the Keynesian theory, declining growth or tumbling stock prices should prompt central banks to lower interest rates and governments to come to the rescue with economic stimulus programs. US economists call this "kick-starting" the economy.

Laying the Groundwork for the Next Crash
The only problem is that this method of encouraging growth has not stimulated the US economy in recent years, but in fact has put in on a crash course. From the Asian economic crisis to the Internet and subprime mortgage bubbles, economic stimulus programs by monetary and fiscal policy makers have regularly laid the groundwork for the next crash instead of encouraging sustainable growth. In the last decade, the volume of lending in the United States grew five times as fast as the real economy.

Cheap money created the fertilizer for the excesses of the US financial industry. Low interest rates seduced mortgage providers into talking even the homeless into taking out mortgages. And the same low rates made it easier for investment banks and hedge funds, using increasingly risky loan structures, to transform the once-leisurely insurance and bond markets into casinos.

Now the bubble has burst. This has not, however, prompted the US government to conclude that its prescriptions could have been wrong. On the contrary, now it wants to increase the dose. Obama plans to follow the largely unsuccessful 2008 economic stimulus program with a new program this year. Meanwhile, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke says that he intends to flood the economy with cheap liquidity -- for years, if necessary.

The real problem, though, is a different one. The US economy doesn't lack money. Rather, it lacks products that can compete in the global marketplace. The country has a deep trade deficit, yet the Obama administration is borrowing money at the same rate as near-bankrupt Greece.

A Rapid End
Not even the financial sector, with its affection for cheap money, believes that this is the way to guide the United States out of the crisis. When the Fed recently announced a new version of its low-interest-rate policy, with the snappy name "Twist," it led to a sharp decline in the stock market instead of the expected boost.

It is all the more disconcerting that Obama is now recommending that the Europeans emulate his failed strategy. To save the euro, the president has proposed that Europe take on more debt to augment their bailout funds and stimulate their economies. Like a doctor caught prescribing performance-enhancing drugs, Obama has not chosen to cease his activities. Rather he is trying to ensure that as many people as possible have access to his wares.

The fact that Europeans are unwilling to comply with Obama's strange logic gives reason for hope. It makes no sense to pile up more and more debt on already unstable piles of debt. The world doesn't have too little debt, but too much.

Obama should retract his advice, or he might end up like the village judge in Kleist's comedy. When his deception was discovered, he was forced to flee and his days as a judge came to a rapid end.

kraznyi_oktjabr
10-03-11, 05:12 AM
I agree with writer but unfortunately I'm skeptical that European leaders have spine to say "No" to Mr. Obama.

Skybird
10-03-11, 05:24 AM
Actually they may say No indeed (anmd already did) - but I put my money on European leaders failing in other ways. Currently, they are wavin g through an increase of the bail out mechnaism - and while three nations still need to nod it off, in Brussel they already have started to increase this already two times increassed bailout fond - this time into the realm of no longer hundreds of billions, but possibly beyond 2 billion.

I predict that that number won't mark the end.

So in the end Eurppean nations will to increase their own risks and debts, loike Obama wants them to do - only that they do it in the hidden, indirect way. Obama mislabels the incraiong of debts and economic stimulus. For the Eurpopeans, increasing their risks means to only delay the day when the stage of the euro trash play will collapse.

It will be and end with great pain and great loss and great shock. But that is better than endless pain and endless shocks and endless losses. I expect my own financial basis for my future life being massively effected as well. Still, I will celebrate the day the Euro falls. Makes us all a little bit less guilty than we already became when letting the politicians going ahead with the madness ten years ago. We should have stopped them and strangled their baby-pet in it's cradle.

Even the German media start to realsie this. Today I read an article, and for the first time ever I noted such a statement - that borders heresy by German standards. It sdaid that the heritage of Helmut Kohl, the reunification-chanevcellor as he is euphemistically called over here, is not clears and unquestionable, but is divided and really split. Kohl "brpought us" the reunificastion. But he also brought us the Euro, since a German acceptance to its premature implementation was the price especially of the French to agree to German reunification.

I have said several times in threads that I consider this price to have been far too high, haven't I. They would have been able to only delay the process of Germany reunifying again, but they would not have been able to prevent it for many years to come. Bonn should have told Paris a loud and sounding "Non".

P.S. And what happened in Finland...? I read that ypour parliament has agreed to the bailoput increase now although you still have not gotten EU agreement to the material guarantees from Greece you are demanding for further payments. this does not strengthen Finland'S position, does it? Is the demand put into the grave? The last line of defence now is Slowakia - and I am sure the EU already puts already a dictatorial ammount of pressure onto it.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=188360

Castout
10-03-11, 05:28 AM
I tend to agree the solution is not more debt.

I go with Europe now.

More debt may be the most pragmatic solution but hardly a solution in the long run and hardly the wisest path of decision.

I even think that the most efficient way to get the economy back on track is to let it slip into depression haha. It will then fix itself up after some bad bad beatings. Sometimes surrender is the best option. Of course many people will loathe this idea to the death. When it comes about wealth and money no one wants to lose. Everybody else can just not themselves.

kraznyi_oktjabr
10-03-11, 06:20 AM
P.S. And what happened in Finland...? I read that ypour parliament has agreed to the bailoput increase now although you still have not gotten EU agreement to the material guarantees from Greece you are demanding for further payments. this does not strengthen Finland'S position, does it? Is the demand put into the grave? The last line of defence now is Slowakia - and I am sure the EU already puts already a dictatorial ammount of pressure onto it.Before elections some of those parties now in power woved that no more taxpayers money will be sent abroad without guarantees and that they will not go to into cabinet which does so.

Now as elections are over many representatives seem to have got selective Alzheimer disease. :roll:

So far just one party - the True Finns - seem to have been spared from this cruel disease.

Rockstar
10-03-11, 08:02 AM
I believe it is the IMF which is orchestrating these bailouts not elected government. Like many other nations, Europe made a deal with the devil and became an IMF member too. But they seem to be getting cold feet so in steps the the U.S. another IMF member to push them along.

soopaman2
10-03-11, 09:01 AM
I agree with writer but unfortunately I'm skeptical that European leaders have spine to say "No" to Mr. Obama.


Trust me you can, he is a spineless jellyfish who will only get re-elected thanks to the right wing Christian Sharia extremists that have taken over the Republicans.

Bought and paid for by Wall Street bankers and insurance companies. Funny thing is the people running against him are too! Yay.

Europe is doing the right thing in my opinion, Obama said that garbage to keep broken Keynesian capitalism running.

It hurts me to say such things about my country, but we are doing something about it here. Wall Street protests are gaining momentum, and maybe, just maybe the little guys will be heard.

Wall Street and American banks have broken the system, and every countries bankers everywhere are complicit. Take on more debt Europe. Keep propping up the house of cards with broken toothpicks.

I only wish we had more Merkels and less Obama and Boehners (we call him Boner) here.