All alone in the world

[mapuc]

This was something I made in the time, when Ronald Reagan was the president in USA.

It was in those days when there where plans on placing atomic missils in Europe. On swedish and danish tv there was offcourse people for and against this agenda.

There was also some documentary, on what would happen, if there would be an allover neuclear war.

It was then, I made this little calculation, on how much water, food, clothes etc, etc i would need to survive underground, for about 40 years and I presumed that i would not get sick og having tothproblems.

After some month I forgot that, until some years ago, when I became friends with one, whos about to become a psychologist.

He said to me:
You have forgot one important thing, the mind of your self. How do you think you would feel psychological, after have lived all alone in the world Let say after 6 month, 12 month.....

One of the basic needs for a human is to be social with other humans.

I don't know if it's true.
I my self likes to be alone sometimes and sometimes I like to be with friends. I can't imagine how it would be like living month after month by your self and there no one you can talk to.

Markus

[Betonov]

I'd guess it would be something like Castaway (Tom Hanks movie) only you'd be a million times more insane

[Reece]

If everyone and everything in the world died and you were the only one left I'm sure you would commit suicide after about 6 months, I'm sure I would!!:oops:
It is a similar with marriage, when you marry you both become one and if your partner dies it is like being cut in half, the loneliness is unbearable for some and the partner will pine away (lose the will to live) and die around 6 months later, some are strong and can start over!:cry:

[mapuc]

If everyone and everything in the world died and you were the only one left I'm sure you would commit suicide after about 6 months, I'm sure I would!!:oops:
It is a similar with marriage, when you marry you both become one and if your partner dies it is like being cut in half, the loneliness is unbearable for some and the partner will pine away (lose the will to live) and die around 6 months later, some are strong and can start over!:cry:

I didn't write that in my statement, but that what he said to me. that I, after about 6 to 12 month. would commit suicide.

Hopefully no one have to come to such a horrible situation.

Markus

[nikimcbee]

If everyone and everything in the world died and you were the only one left I'm sure you would commit suicide after about 6 months, I'm sure I would!!:oops:
It is a similar with marriage, when you marry you both become one and if your partner dies it is like being cut in half, the loneliness is unbearable for some and the partner will pine away (lose the will to live) and die around 6 months later, some are strong and can start over!:cry:

We still love you Reece. (in a plutonic sense)

[Platapus]

"Mr. President, I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy at the bottom of some of our deeper mine shafts. The radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep. And in a matter of weeks, sufficient improvements in dwelling space could easily be provided."

"How long would you have to stay down there?"

"I would think that uh possibly one hundred years."

"You mean, people could actually stay down there for a hundred years?"

"It would not be difficult mein Fuhrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh... I'm sorry. Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country. But I would guess... that ah, dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided."

"Well I... I would hate to have to decide who stays up and who goes down."

"Well, that would not be necessary Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross section of necessary skills. Of course it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.



Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would bemuch time, and little to do. But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years."

"Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?"

"Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature"

"I think we should look at this from the military point of view. I mean, supposing the Russkies stashes away some big bomb, see. When they come out in a hundred years they could take over... In fact, they might even try an immediate sneak attack so they could take over our mineshaft space...

I think it would be extremely naive of us, Mr. President, to imagine that these new developments are going to cause any change in Soviet expansionist policy. I mean, we must be... increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow... a mine shaft gap!"

:D

[mapuc]

@ Platapus, thank you for posting a "scene" from

Doctor Strangelove a great antiwar movie.

Markus

[August]

Well this guy was ok with it,... until he broke his glasses. :DL

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UVII7aljJ9k/S-_gs19c5cI/AAAAAAAAB6c/-5IT6ypTpHA/s1600/meredith-tz.jpg

[Sledgehammer427]

Platapus, you just made my day. I love that movie.

August, That was a good episode too. :up: I try to catch as much of the older Twilight Zone episodes as I can

[Castout]

It's okay I have God. He speaks to me in all my 30 something year like once or twice, maybe 3 times. Spread between 18 years. May or may not contain hidden knowledge(Information/realization gotten in an instant).

Not with voice, not with even impression of words. I replied to sentences that never even crossed my mind nor heard. The assurance came when the words spoken[though no words were spoken] happened later and or a huge inexplicable emotion/feeling came upon me right afterwards confirming what had been said.

Most of the time God never spoke anything though. He either gave me what I prayed for or not at all.

The longest conversation I ever had with the almighty God was 2 sentences.

God initiated a conversation: [nothing]
Me to God: [all of sudden] bla bla bla bla [chain of thoughts uttered in mind] as a response to that [nothing], asking God a question as a reply to his first [nothing].
God answered to my bla bla bla: [inexplicable huge emotion to confirm my question]

:O:
Disclaimer: This is not a claim. This is not a proof of either God nor that I'm insane. Thank you. You may not use this in court to defame me. No not under medication except medication for high blood pressure.

[nikimcbee]

Well this guy was ok with it,... until he broke his glasses. :DL

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UVII7aljJ9k/S-_gs19c5cI/AAAAAAAAB6c/-5IT6ypTpHA/s1600/meredith-tz.jpg

Have you seen the spoof Drew carey did of this episode of the TZ?:yeah::haha:

[CaptainHaplo]

Many groups have studied the psycological stresses that result from isolation or an extremely limited social group over extended time periods. Nasa is one example.

Some people can maintain stability - most can not. It has little to do with your "normal" level of socialization, it has much more to do with your ability to focus and block out distraction. By blocking out the need for social interaction with focus on another task, a person can maintain significant stability without perceivable end.

[mapuc]

Many groups have studied the psycological stresses that result from isolation or an extremely limited social group over extended time periods. Nasa is one example.

Some people can maintain stability - most can not. It has little to do with your "normal" level of socialization, it has much more to do with your ability to focus and block out distraction. By blocking out the need for social interaction with focus on another task, a person can maintain significant stability without perceivable end.

But for how long?? Even if you put a human in a "all alone..." experiment, this person know that there are people outside this "experiment"
and they can return to them.

Markus

[CaptainHaplo]

That is easy to say as we sit here, but take a look at the stanford prison experiment to see how that theory holds up.....

You can intellectually "know" that your in a controlled experiment, but its what you do with that knowledge that matters. The above was just one example of how quickly "fact" is lost in the psychotrauma of experience.

[mapuc]

That is easy to say as we sit here, but take a look at the stanford prison experiment to see how that theory holds up.....

You can intellectually "know" that your in a controlled experiment, but its what you do with that knowledge that matters. The above was just one example of how quickly "fact" is lost in the psychotrauma of experience.

Do you have any link to some of thise experiments-would like to read about them.

have to read more about it, before I can reply your statement.

Markus

[CaptainHaplo]

http://www.prisonexp.org/

A good place to start. Just remember, this only has bearing on the issue of "knowing" cerebrally that something is an experiment, vs internalizing the situation.

As for isolation experiments...

Here is a good one.

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/ground/chambers.pdf

Enjoy the reading!

EDIT: Also - look up the Mars 500 experiement. 6 men in isolation for 520 days.......

[Madox58]

All experiments are based on enclosed or restricted spaces.
They don't apply to a situation where you are the only person on the whole Planet.
While on the Planet?
You can never be certain that you are the only one and the search for others is going to be enuff to drive you nearly forever.
Unless your a weak minded person.
In which case you whould will lay down and die any way.

[August]

There are many people who live years with little or no social interaction. I think it's quite doable provided a suitably minded person has a task to keep themselves occupied.

[CCIP]

There are many people who live years with little or no social interaction. I think it's quite doable provided a suitably minded person has a task to keep themselves occupied.

Yep. And also don't underestimate the number of people out there who are completely antisocial or sociopathic. The brain works in odd ways, and occasionally genetics can throw some real curve balls. I think it's unfair to assume that everyone's brain works the exact same way and perceives the world as fundamentally social. What's inconceivable to most 'normal' people may well be even a desirable thing to one in a million.

[August]

Have you seen the spoof Drew carey did of this episode of the TZ?:yeah::haha:

No but thanks for the tip. I'll look for it.

[nikimcbee]

No but thanks for the tip. I'll look for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2779374710B10087

I'll just say it involves his porn collection.:yeah::har:

It's on the TZ season one disk, bonus features.

[Oberon]

WILSON

I imagine that even with company, being stuck in the same place with the same person for months on end would result in mental deterioration.
I do believe that the two men in command of the missile launch control at specific silos in the States have a pistol sidearm with them. I imagine that several dozen feet under solid concrete and steel and heavy bolted doors that this weapon would not be for being used against an enemy incursion...

[Sailor Steve]

Yep. And also don't underestimate the number of people out there who are completely antisocial or sociopathic.
Stop talking about me! :stare:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Stop talking about me! :stare:Which one? Antisocial or sociopathic? Or both?

:O:

[Betonov]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/21/science/castaway533.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Which one? Antisocial or sociopathic? Or both?

:O:
Among others, yes.

[Platapus]

Anyone read Richard Byrd's "Alone".

It was the story of how, in 1934, Richard Byrd spent 4 months in a South Pole weather station ... uh..well... alone. :D

I remember reading that as a kid and even then I had my asocial tendencies. I thought to myself "man that would have been great!"