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Today I was playing SH3, sailling in November 43, attacked a convoy, etc when my mother says: "there's a sub movie on tv, on channel hollywood!" And I switch on the Tv and then I said to my mother:
"Never, but never call me to see the U-571 on tv!!!"
desirableroasted
09-16-11, 04:44 PM
Today I was playing SH3, sailling in November 43, attacked a convoy, etc when my mother says: "there's a sub movie on tv, on channel hollywood!" And I switch on the Tv and then I said to my mother:
"Never, but never call me to see the U-571 on tv!!!"
Eewwwww....
That was a bad movie..... :down:
Fish In The Water
09-16-11, 10:13 PM
"Never, but never call me to see the U-571 on tv!!!"
U-571 is to realism what lawyers are to ethics... :haha:
sidslotm
09-20-11, 02:10 PM
but never call me to see the U-571 on tv!!!"
Does this mean you did't like the film then :woot:
Sailor Steve
09-20-11, 04:13 PM
Him and pretty much anybody who wants to see a sub movie done right.
Him and pretty much anybody who wants to see a sub movie done right.
I rest my case!:D
lol ya I saw it was on TV, never heard of it. I watched the part where they blow up idk some german ship, saw the explosion and turned off the TV. Not watchin that crap. lol
Yep as far as i know it was showing a german "Destroyer!" in the Atlantic :haha:
They were able to fire a 8.8cm right into the ship's radio tower and dives underneath her. And SUDDENLY they find a last torpedo and detroy the ship with it. :har::har::har:
Wikiquote:
The film was generally well received by critics, with 63 out of the 93 critics tallied by review aggregating website Rotten Tomatoes giving the film positive reviews.
did the germans in the boat that went up to the uboat have any weapons? I laughed when the 2 crewmen just walk past the germans, the germans ask for help and they ignore them, then when they are GETTING THE GUN SET UP! they decide to go back to the ship, just unload on them, kill the 2 crewmen. I mean if the crew actualy talked to the germans in the boat I would (if I was the german) not shoot at them, but the fact that they completly blew them off.
Sailor Steve
09-21-11, 10:47 AM
Right near the beginning the American captain orders a dive. Harvey Keitel as the Chief Of the Boat calls out dive three times and then rings the klaxon three times. The klaxon is rung twice for a dive, three times to surface. This is a very minor, tiny, geeky thing for me to get annoyed at, but if they can't be bothered to get something so small right what hope does the rest of the movie have? And I was right - it just got worse.
frau kaleun
09-21-11, 11:18 AM
Harvey Keitel as the Chief Of the Boat
This, aside from the fact that there is a u-boat in it, is probably the only reason I will ever sit all the way through this movie. One of these days, when I run out of other things to watch.
Fish In The Water
09-21-11, 11:46 AM
Right near the beginning the American captain orders a dive. Harvey Keitel as the Chief Of the Boat calls out dive three times and then rings the klaxon three times. The klaxon is rung twice for a dive, three times to surface.
They probably hired the naval advisor dude from a seafood restaurant. When it came time to film this scene he told 'em to ring the bell thing... :D :O:
Uboatman
09-21-11, 12:28 PM
Right near the beginning the American captain orders a dive. Harvey Keitel as the Chief Of the Boat calls out dive three times and then rings the klaxon three times. The klaxon is rung twice for a dive, three times to surface. This is a very minor, tiny, geeky thing for me to get annoyed at, but if they can't be bothered to get something so small right what hope does the rest of the movie have? And I was right - it just got worse.
Some thing's just ruin a movie experience if you know your subject too well don't they, completely get this :know:
Examples that come to mind, Battle of the Bulge, Pearl Harbour, must be others.....
Jimbuna
09-21-11, 12:40 PM
I know I've posted similarly elsewhere in the past but this just about sums the film up for me:
Screenwriter David Ayer has admitted his 2000 film U-571 distorted history and that he would not do it again.
Ayer told BBC Radio 4's The Film Programme that he "did not feel good" about suggesting Americans captured the Enigma code rather than the British.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5263164.stm
Well even if the British captured a Enigma.
But the history of capturing Enigma machines and breaking their codes had already begun in Europe. An earlier military Enigma machine had been captured by Polish Intelligence in 1928. Polish intelligence broke the Enigma code in 1932 and gave their findings to Britain and France in 1939, just before the German invasion of Poland.
Fish In The Water
09-21-11, 04:43 PM
I know I've posted similarly elsewhere in the past but this just about sums the film up for me:
Agree completely... When I first saw the film the historical 'distortion' nearly made me ill. :Kaleun_Sick:
The article goes on to say:
It was a distortion... a mercenary decision to create this parallel history in order to drive the movie for an American audience," he said.It's a shame they have such a low opinion of Americans to suggest they wouldn't watch something unless they happen to be the chief protagonists. Strikes me as rather insulting. :nope:
:damn: :damn:
I fell for it. Right into that Destroyer scene. It's on RTL7 now (Dutch commercial channel)
XTChrisTX
09-27-11, 10:16 AM
I liked that movie. Yeah, it was probably brutally unrealistic, but it was still entertaining. The American mission depicted in the movie didn't happen and I guess that's something people don't understand. It even lists the actual Enigma captures at the end. And the depth charge scene is amazing- if your sound system can handle it.
But maybe I just have horrible taste, because I found Das Boot unbelievably boring. It may be more authentic, but it was boring. I would- and I am quite serious here- take U-571 over Das Boot any day.
Then again, I am the same guy who created SH3 Retarded: Nazi Cocaine and I don't like GWX either. So maybe I'm just the devil's advocate of the forum.:arrgh!:
I would- and I am quite serious here- take U-571 over Das Boot any day.
You better RUN!! RUN FAST!!!!! :gulp::/\\chop:DL
Herr-Berbunch
09-27-11, 11:02 AM
"Never, but never call me to see the U-571 on tv!!!"
Because it's much better on the bigger screen of a cinema? :O:
And American audiences* don't seem to be able of seeing other nations' movies (or TV shows) without first converting it (The Ring, Taxi, Funny Game, True Lies (la Totale), Shameless, ...)
*Obviously not including subsimmers :D
I too am one of those people that gets annoyed at historical inaccuracies in a movie. If you're going to make a historical movie (even an alternate history one), at least have the decency to get your facts straight.
Things that ruined U-571 for me:
U-571 is disabled closer to European waters than US waters, yet somehow the S-33 departing from the US arrived before the German rescue sub? And with time to modify the S-33 to look more like a German sub?
When U-571 is captured, they have to cross the Western Approaches, which is described as the German's backyard, crawling with U-boats. Fair enough, but explain to me what a single German destroyer is doing there?
How did the single-engined German fighter (ME-109?) get in the middle of the Atlantic?
Depth charges exploding just metres from the hull of U-571, yet the hull isn't even dented.
The chief (Harvey Keitel) tells about being depth charged once, off the coast of Murmansk in WW1. What would a US sub be doing at Murmansk? What would a German destroyer be doing outside of Murmansk? AFAIK, no US sub ever fought in European waters in WW1.
During the confrontation with the German destroyer, the US boarding party calmly readies the deck gun for firing. How on earth would the German destroyer crew have let this happen without firing a single shot?
The German sub commander orders his crew to fire on survivors with the AA gun. AFAIK, this happened only once in reality and if I remember correctly, the German commander was court-martialed for this, by the Germans.
When the German destroyer hunts U-571 which has now submerged, you can hear pinging noises. Since the Germans didn't have ASDIC AFAIK, who or what is pinging U-571?
Still, I watched it again on RTL7 a few nights ago just because there was a U-boat in it. It was worth a chuckle or two. My wife did the chuckling at me shaking my head and getting wound up about movie inaccuracies. It's just a movie, she said...
The German sub commander orders his crew to fire on survivors with the AA gun. AFAIK, this happened only once in reality and if I remember correctly, the German commander was court-martialed for this, by the Germans.
You mean Kptlt. Heinz-Wilhelm Eck from U-852 (IX D2) He and some of his officers came to a british court-martial and were executed for sinking the greek Freighter "SS Peleus" if it was a fair hearing is still unknown. He was sinking the SS Peleus and since he had order to wipe out every evidences he shot on wreckages and also on the life boats of the survivors. But since the boats were still intact after firing with all kind of Flak guns, he decided to throw grenades at these. Also hitting some of the suvivors by MG fire.
Sailor Steve
09-27-11, 12:31 PM
I too am one of those people that gets annoyed at historical inaccuracies in a movie.
I just finished watching The Tudors. It's a combination of great film-making, taking great lengths to explain historical details and causes to an unfamiliar audience, then turning around and butchering other parts of the story. I enjoyed it, but still had several teeth-grinding moments...no, make that hours.
If you're going to make a historical movie (even an alternate history one), at least have the decency to get your facts straight.
As much as I hate the movie, I'm going to try to tackle some of your personal objections.
U-571 is disabled closer to European waters than US waters, yet somehow the S-33 departing from the US arrived before the German rescue sub? And with time to modify the S-33 to look more like a German sub?
I thought the u-boat was operating on the western side of Greenland, but I'm not going to watch it again to make sure. :nope:
When U-571 is captured, they have to cross the Western Approaches, which is described as the German's backyard, crawling with U-boats. Fair enough, but explain to me what a single German destroyer is doing there?
True. On the other hand, if I'm right about the location it's even worse, because German destroyers had stability problems when the fuel was low, and were limited to a relatively short range.
How did the single-engined German fighter (ME-109?) get in the middle of the Atlantic?
Obviously they were operating from the secret base in Greenland, as depicted in the 1943 movie Crash Dive.
:rotfl2:
Depth charges exploding just metres from the hull of U-571, yet the hull isn't even dented.
Well, the depth charges in Das Boot were so close that any one of them would have cracked the hull and sank the boat, so I have to give them that one.
The chief (Harvey Keitel) tells about being depth charged once, off the coast of Murmansk in WW1. What would a US sub be doing at Murmansk? What would a German destroyer be doing outside of Murmansk? AFAIK, no US sub ever fought in European waters in WW1.
Maybe he served in a British sub. Or a German one. :D
During the confrontation with the German destroyer, the US boarding party calmly readies the deck gun for firing. How on earth would the German destroyer crew have let this happen without firing a single shot?
Everybody knows German are stupid and have the worst soldiers and sailors possible. That's the real reason they lost the war. :O:
The German sub commander orders his crew to fire on survivors with the AA gun. AFAIK, this happened only once in reality and if I remember correctly, the German commander was court-martialed for this, by the Germans.
Heinz-Wilhelm Eck torpedoed the Greek freighter Peleus on March 13, 1944 and then proceeded to shoot survivors in life rafts. Three men survived to tell the tale, and Eck's war diary survived the wrecking of U-852. On November 30, 1945, Eck and two of his officers were executed by an Allied war crimes court.
When the German destroyer hunts U-571 which has now submerged, you can hear pinging noises. Since the Germans didn't have ASDIC AFAIK, who or what is pinging U-571?
I'm pretty sure German destroyers had active sonar, but verification will hinge on me getting my copy of German Destroyers of World War Two out of storage, and that may be awhile.
Still, I watched it again on RTL7 a few nights ago just because there was a U-boat in it. It was worth a chuckle or two. My wife did the chuckling at me shaking my head and getting wound up about movie inaccuracies. It's just a movie, she said...
Don't you hate it when they put things in perspective?
Everybody knows German are stupid and have the worst soldiers and sailors possible. That's the real reason they lost the war. :O:
But they had good ships and had to scuttle them because the british ships weren't able to sink them. :DL They should have build two or more Bismarcks and one of two carriers as support. :O: :D
Heinz-Wilhelm Eck torpedoed the Greek freighter Peleus on March 13, 1944 and then proceeded to shoot survivors in life rafts.
Actually he was planning to destroy the rafts. But since these was the only way they might be able to survive it doesn't really matter.
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You mean Kptlt. Heinz-Wilhelm Eck from U-852 (IX D2) He and some of his officers came to a british court-martial and were executed for sinking the greek Freighter "SS Peleus" if it was a fair hearing is still unknown. He was sinking the SS Peleus and since he had order to wipe out every evidences he shot on wreckages and also on the life boats of the survivors. But since the boats were still intact after firing with all kind of Flak guns, he decided to throw grenades at these. Also hitting some of the suvivors by MG fire.
Yes, you are correct. That is the occurrence I meant and obviously I should have gotten *my* facts straight before going off on a rant. Alas...that's what ranting causes... :oops:
Fish In The Water
09-27-11, 04:47 PM
Everybody knows German are stupid and have the worst soldiers and sailors possible. That's the real reason they lost the war. :O:
It's hard to believe they conquered most of Europe based on the stumbling, bumbling portrayal in most movies. Come to think of it, how did the war last so long when the Germans lost almost every battle ever filmed? :O:
Appreciate the feedback, Sailor Steve. By tackling my personal objections, you meant bolstering them, right? :D
I just finished watching The Tudors. It's a combination of great film-making, taking great lengths to explain historical details and causes to an unfamiliar audience, then turning around and butchering other parts of the story. I enjoyed it, but still had several teeth-grinding moments...no, make that hours.
One of the problem with doing historical dramas or films is that the further you move away from the present day, the more "alien" your subject matter becomes to a present day audience and the less reliable and scarce your sources become. To make the story palatable or even understandable to modern audiences, I can imagine taking certain liberties with the source material. Let's face it, not all history is that interesting. It is also inevitable that you will get some things wrong, simply because they are disputed, you asked the wrong expert or something like that. There's a difference between artistic freedom and real mistakes, though.
I quite enjoyed the Tudors, by the way. Despite the faults it has. ;)
I thought the u-boat was operating on the western side of Greenland, but I'm not going to watch it again to make sure. :nope:
In the film, U-571 was reported here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=52%C2%B0N,+29%C2%B0W&ie=UTF8&ll=44.527843,-30.673828&spn=47.204284,77.695313&t=m&z=4&vpsrc=6&iwloc=A). That's almost in the middle of the North Atlantic.
Well, the depth charges in Das Boot were so close that any one of them would have cracked the hull and sank the boat, so I have to give them that one.
True, but then again, Das Boot has many redeeming features so this one was easier to forgive. :D
Everybody knows German are stupid and have the worst soldiers and sailors possible. That's the real reason they lost the war. :O:
Oh, a destroyer full of Bernhards? That would explain why they were in the middle of the Atlantic too. They probably got lost! :rotfl2:
Heinz-Wilhelm Eck torpedoed the Greek freighter Peleus on March 13, 1944 and then proceeded to shoot survivors in life rafts. Three men survived to tell the tale, and Eck's war diary survived the wrecking of U-852. On November 30, 1945, Eck and two of his officers were executed by an Allied war crimes court.
Yes, JazzJR corrected that already. I got my facts wrong too, so perhaps I should cut the film makers some slack... ;)
I'm pretty sure German destroyers had active sonar, but verification will hinge on me getting my copy of German Destroyers of World War Two out of storage, and that may be awhile.
If they did, I've never seen it mentioned anywhere. That doesn't mean they didn't have it, of course. I might have been reading the wrong material.
Don't you hate it when they put things in perspective?
Just now, she mentioned "Are you still going on about that movie?" I showed her some of the other responses in this thread and the reaction was a shrug and a sighed "men". :haha:
It's hard to believe they conquered most of Europe based on the stumbling, bumbling portrayal in most movies. Come to think of it, how did the war last so long when the Germans lost almost every battle ever filmed? :O:
They cast more extras? :D
Sailor Steve
09-27-11, 05:53 PM
Appreciate the feedback, Sailor Steve. By tackling my personal objections, you meant bolstering them, right? :D
Of course. At first I just wanted to correct the "Eck" thing, but the more I went on the more fun it got.
One of the problem with doing historical dramas...There's a difference between artistic freedom and real mistakes, though.
I completely agree. On the other hand there's an even bigger difference between artistic freedom and saying "We don't care - they won't know the difference."
I once had a huge argument with a friend over the 1974 version of The Three Musketeers and the 1992 Disney version. My friend kept going on about how much better the Disney version was, and he finally asked me how I could possibly support the earlier version with all of it's slapstick comedy. My reply was this: On the one hand we have a pair of movies which, for any flaws you can name, are faithful to the book with a few exceptions I can list. On the other hand you have an arrogant scriptwriter and filmmaker who threw one of the best-selling novels of all time in the trash and decided they could write a better story. While not history, sticking at least somewhat close to the book wins points in my judgement.
I quite enjoyed the Tudors, by the way. Despite the faults it has. ;)
Me too. Where they stick with the real history they do a great job of explaining it, and keeping it entertaining. I'm still a huge fan of The Six Wives Of Henry VIII from 1971, but it too has its flaws.
In the film, U-571 was reported here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=52%C2%B0N,+29%C2%B0W&ie=UTF8&ll=44.527843,-30.673828&spn=47.204284,77.695313&t=m&z=4&vpsrc=6&iwloc=A). That's almost in the middle of the North Atlantic.
Good enough. As I said, I can't force myself to watch it again.
True, but then again, Das Boot has many redeeming features so this one was easier to forgive. :D
I know. There were a lot of things I would like to have seen done differently, but they got the feel right, and made you believe you were there.
If they did, I've never seen it mentioned anywhere. That doesn't mean they didn't have it, of course. I might have been reading the wrong material.
In the book Das Boot, Buchheim reflects while being depth charged that now he knows what it felt like for those poor Tommies when the destroyer he earlier served on gave it to a British submarine. That would have been difficult withour some type of locating device. But as I said before, without my books I can't even give a reference - just a memory.
Just now, she mentioned "Are you still going on about that movie?" I showed her some of the other responses in this thread and the reaction was a shrug and a sighed "men". :haha:
Well, she's got us there. :dead:
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