Libya: NTC's Jalil vows state based on 'moderate Islam'

[Gerald]

The head of the National Transitional Council has delivered his first speech in Libya's capital, Tripoli, since the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi.

Mustafa Abdul Jalil outlined his plans to create a modern democratic state based on "moderate Islam" to thousands of flag-waving supporters in the newly renamed Martyrs' Square.

Earlier, Col Gaddafi vowed in a TV message to fight "until victory".

The whereabouts of the 69-year-old fugitive leader remain unknown.

"All that remains for us is the struggle until victory and the defeat of the coup," Col Gaddafi was cited as saying in a statement read out by a presenter on a loyalist television station.

Although the interim administration has promised the formation of a transitional government in Libya within 10 days, there are still big challenges in stabilising the country, says the BBC's Peter Biles in Tripoli.

Anti-Gaddafi forces now control most of Libya but loyalists are still holding out in the towns of Sirte and Bani Walid, offering fiercer resistance than had been expected.

Meanwhile, Amnesty International has called on the NTC to take steps to prevent human rights abuses by anti-Gaddafi forces.

'You are our weapon'

In his first speech since moving to the capital from the NTC stronghold of Benghazi, Mr Jalil told some 10,000 supporters to avoid retribution attacks, adding that Libya's new leaders would not accept any extremist ideology.

"We are a Muslim nation, with a moderate Islam, and we will maintain that. You are with us and support us - you are our weapon against whoever tries to hijack the revolution," he said.

He said women would play an active role in the new Libya, and thanked a number of nations - including France and Britain - for supporting the NTC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14894264


Note: 13 September 2011 Last updated at 07:22 GMT

[Gerald]

Gaddafi is gone .... forever.

[Skybird]

He also said that jurisdiction and laws should be on the basis of the Shariah.

Now I am waiting since years that somebody would explain to me what a "moderate Shariah" is.

That is a contradiction in itself, like "democratic fascism" or "liberal racism", a humanistic version of "Mein Kampf", or a pain-free torture, or a "reformatory Opus Dei".

[Gerald]

Possible a journalistic expression, :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

He also said that jurisdiction and laws should be on the basis of the Shariah.

So just the same as it already is then.

Now I am waiting since years that somebody would explain to me what a "moderate Shariah" is.


Your problem is that you are a fundamentalist who thinks the modern wahhibis are the only real version and their interpretartion of sharia is the only real one.
Its a beautiful irony that you are on the same page as the nutty fundies you claim to oppose.

[Anthony W.]

To have a state with laws based on Shariah... Iran all over again... Damn.

[Castout]

He also said that jurisdiction and laws should be on the basis of the Shariah.


That remains to be seen.

[Tribesman]

To have a state with laws based on Shariah... Iran all over again... Damn.

:doh:
Anthony delivers again:rotfl2:
If Libya has laws based on sharia its errrrrr..... Libya all over again.

[Osmium Steele]

That is a contradiction in itself, like "democratic fascism" or "liberal racism", a humanistic version of "Mein Kampf", or a pain-free torture, or a "reformatory Opus Dei".

While I am right with you about "moderate islam", some of your examples of self-contradiction are a tad off.

Many modern examples of facism have grown out of democratic systems.

Liberal racism is rampant in the US, and water-boarding, according to the three of my employees (former Rangers) who have undergone water-boarding, isn't particularly painful, until you get hit in the solarplexus when you try to hold your breath. In fact, most water tortures are not particularly painful, just extremely nerve-wracking.

[MH]

So just the same as it already is then.


error.


Your problem is that you are a fundamentalist who thinks the modern wahhibis are the only real version and their interpretartion of sharia is the only real one.
Its a beautiful irony that you are on the same page as the nutty fundies you claim to oppose.

Cleaver sentence - it even reads logical and true at first glance :D
If you really follow this kind of thinking(not just playing on the forum) that may be the base of your erroneous assumptions about so many issues.

[Tribesman]

error.

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
What was the basis of laws in Libya under the daffy regime then?


If you really follow this kind of thinking(not just playing on the forum) that may be the base of your erroneous assumptions about so many issues.
Nothing erraneous there at all, Sky has repeatedly spelt out what he thinks it is and supports only the modern fundamentalists interpretations.

[Skybird]

While I am right with you about "moderate islam", some of your examples of self-contradiction are a tad off.

Many modern examples of facism have grown out of democratic systems.
Means little. Ypou can'T have democracy and fascism at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. Maybe fascism grew of democracies failing, in the example you think of, or going corrupot and decadent...? ;)

Liberal racism is rampant in the US,
???

and water-boarding, according to the three of my employees (former Rangers) who have undergone water-boarding, isn't particularly painful, until you get hit in the solarplexus when you try to hold your breath. In fact, most water tortures are not particularly painful, just extremely nerve-wracking.
Water-boarding is about inducing fear of death, physically felt agony and a physical experince of drowning, it is accompanied by heavy full-body muzscular spasms, painful cramps, and panic. And that all qualifies as pain/torture/whatever you call it. Cheney or Rumsfeld even said that waterboarding were not torturing - do you want me to believe that, too...?

You don'T see it like that? Tell your friend to forcefully push your head under water
until you loose consciousness or your lungs quit. You will be surprised of the physical sensations and psychological reactions you get. If waterboarding would not expose the subject to extremly painful stimuli, it would not be described as very successful and "working well". Subjects do not mistake it for a chilling-session and decide to compy for a feeling of thankfulness. They comply because it is painful, and torture.
What's next? Cutting a subject with a knife being called a barber session? Burning with fire or being called a sunbath? Electroshocks being called a stimuli for muscle training?

The eunuchs of the Chinese emperors had a very nasty execution method. The subject was tied on a table until it could not move anymore. Then a leaf of thin silk-paper that was put in warm oily wax was put on his face. After a short while, a second one. And a third one. And a fourth one. The subject suffocated painfully and slowly without being able to move or to scream. It all was a motionless, almost silent, almost harmless an affair. It were just thin pieces of silk-paper, you see.

[Jimbuna]

Only time will tell.