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Gerald

09-09-11, 12:55 PM

British health officials said Thursday that they would lift a ban on gay men donating blood, as long as their last sexual contact with another man was more than a year earlier. The decision, which reverses a policy adopted in the 1980s, followed a review that found no evidence to support the need for a ban. Other countries, including Australia, Japan, South Africa, Sweden and New Zealand, also allow gay men to donate blood with similar conditions. Canada and the United States prohibit gay men from donating blood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/world/europe/09briefs-Britain.html?ref=todayspaper

Note: September 8, 2011

ZeeWolf

09-09-11, 12:58 PM

What Genus! :har:

Betonov

09-09-11, 01:15 PM

Like it makes a difference if the blood is from gays or from straights :nope:

Pathetic

Sea Demon

09-09-11, 01:19 PM

Leftist stupidity at it's finest. Because of course to them the feelings of homosexuals are more important than the safety of the nation's blood supply.

Gerald

09-09-11, 01:21 PM

Old prejudices.

Betonov

09-09-11, 01:23 PM

Leftist stupidity at it's finest. Because of course to them the feelings of homosexuals are more important than the safety of the nation's blood supply.

Nations blood supply is in danger from people NOT donating, not wrong people donating.

Do right-wingers think gays have pink blood cells :nope:

Plus, if you ever, ever did the right thing and donated blood, you would know that every blood is tested before sent to the bank and if the sample is contaminated in any way the blood is rejected. But you really can't know that until you donate.

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:33 PM

The decision, which reverses a policy adopted in the 1980s, followed a review that found no evidence to support the need for a ban.

What had cropped up in the 80's that would drive a country to ban blood donations from gays? :hmmm: AIDS maybe?

Dowly

09-09-11, 01:34 PM

But you really can't know that until you donate.

I've never donated, but a bit of common sense would say that's what they do. :O:

What had cropped up in the 80's that would drive a country to ban blood donations from gays? :hmmm: AIDS maybe?

Gay virus? :O:

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:36 PM

Gay virus?

At that time, yes. It became a problem for all eventually. AIDS was discovered or first noted case in the early 80's. We knew nothing about it.

http://www.avert.org/aids-history-86.htm

Growler

09-09-11, 01:40 PM

It's my understanding that under certain circumstances, blood can be purified via high-speed centrifugal separation. I'm not entirely sure, though; this understanding was based on the experimental treatment they were going to try with my Mom's leukemia treatment.

Thomen

09-09-11, 01:44 PM

Do right-wingers think gays have pink blood cells :nope:

http://netvignettes.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/facepalm.jpg

Yes, the ban was stupid, but so was your comment. :D

The ban was probably not because of some people hating gays, but rather based on what was back then considered a given: namely that STD's and AIDS are prevalent among the gay community and may endanger recipients of blood transfusions.

Recent research however suggests otherwise.

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:44 PM

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:44 PM

Egan

09-09-11, 01:47 PM

At that time, yes. It became a problem for all eventually. AIDS was discovered or first noted case in the early 80's. We knew nothing about it.

http://www.avert.org/aids-history-86.htm

Interesting. I do remember being told that the first ever case was reported to have been way back in 58 or 59, although the diagnosis was only verified in the 80's.

Growler

09-09-11, 01:50 PM

This is how plasma is separated for the platelets I believe.

I think so, as well - from the way it was described, different elements in the blood settle out at different centrifugal speeds - for instance, my white blood cells would be spun out first, for intravenous delivery to her; three days later, they'd hook me up again and spin out stem cells (after a self-administered treatment program with a drug called Neupogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neupogen) that targeted the release of stem cells ("granulocytes") into the bloodstream.)

It was a modification of a treatment developed at Hopkins here in Baltimore, and has, apparently, been used to cure the Berlin Patient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_patient#Research_directions)of both his leukemia and HIV.

Gerald

09-09-11, 01:55 PM

http://fohn.net/history-of-aids/

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:57 PM

Interesting. I do remember being told that the first ever case was reported to have been way back in 58 or 59, although the diagnosis was only verified in the 80's.

Could very well been. We would have been more in the dark about then.

AVGWarhawk

09-09-11, 01:59 PM

I think so, as well - from the way it was described, different elements in the blood settle out at different centrifugal speeds - for instance, my white blood cells would be spun out first, for intravenous delivery to her; three days later, they'd hook me up again and spin out stem cells (after a self-administered treatment program with a drug called Neupogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neupogen) that targeted the release of stem cells ("granulocytes") into the bloodstream.)

It was a modification of a treatment developed at Hopkins here in Baltimore, and has, apparently, been used to cure the Berlin Patient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_patient#Research_directions)of both his leukemia and HIV.

I know about the plasma and certrifuge from college. I would sell my plasma to a lab and this is how it was done. I got beer money for it. :DL

Gargamel

09-09-11, 02:09 PM

Leftist stupidity at it's finest. Because of course to them the feelings of homosexuals are more important than the safety of the nation's blood supply.

So you really think the 'leftists' are more worried about pc'ness?

Name one disease or blood donation complication that is limited to Homosexual men?

I'm still waiting.....

It doesn't matter the source, diseases can still infect the blood supply.

Pull your head out of your victorian ass and get with the times. And not just you, SD, I mean anybody who thinks this way at all.

Sea Demon

09-09-11, 02:10 PM

The ban was probably not because of some people hating gays, but rather based on what was back then considered a given: namely that STD's and AIDS are prevalent among the gay community and may endanger recipients of blood transfusions.

Recent research however suggests otherwise.

I have not seen anything credible that breaks the notion of AIDS, Hepatitis-C, and various other STD's being more prevalent in the homo community. This is a problem that has occured with the advent of "political homosexuality". Since this politicization happened, I trust no such research as credible. I also don't trust that every blood sample is tested and know for a fact that there are breakdowns in every system. Simply put, I believe this policy is unnecessarily putting their nation's blood supply at risk to appease homos and idiotic leftists who wish to appear "tolerant". It's idiotic and dangerous.

Betonov

09-09-11, 02:10 PM

Yes, the ban was stupid, but so was your comment. :D

Stupid comment, sarcasm, satire... dare I say it, personal attack :hmmm:
(what, dont tell me you believe I believe in pink blood cells :88))

Gargamel

09-09-11, 02:12 PM

I have not seen anything credible that breaks the notion of AIDS, Hepatitis-C, and various other STD's being more prevalent in the homo community. This is a problem that has occured with the advent of "political homosexuality". Since this politicization happened, I trust no such research as credible. I also don't trust that every blood sample is tested and know for a fact that there are breakdowns in every system. Simply put, I believe this policy is unnecessarily putting their nation's blood supply at risk to appease homos and idiotic leftists who wish to appear "tolerant". It's idiotic and dangerous.

I'm unclear of your point.....

You stated these diseases are not specific to any demographic, yet you support a ban?

please clarify.

Sea Demon

09-09-11, 02:12 PM

So you really think the 'leftists' are more worried about pc'ness?

Name one disease or blood donation complication that is limited to Homosexual men?

Yes. Liberals are narcissistic and need to avoid truths to make their politics work for them. That's where political correctness comes from.

On your second question, it's not a limitation, it's a matter of increased risk.

Sea Demon

09-09-11, 02:13 PM

I'm unclear of your point.....

You stated these diseases are not specific to any demographic, yet you support a ban?

please clarify.

Increased risks. So yes, I support a ban on homosexuals.

Gargamel

09-09-11, 02:21 PM

Increased risks. So yes, I support a ban on homosexuals.

But there is little difference in infectious rates these days.

HIV was mainly among the gay communities originally because that is where patient zero is supposedly from, and so it stayed within that community longer. There was also no risk of pregnancy with gay men, so the use of prophylactics was nearly non-existent. Today, the disease has spread so much that the difference between straight and gay carriers is almost nil. There is practically equal risk between demographics, the difference is negligible.

There is a higher risk of infection with IV drug users, but I don't see you supporting a ban on them? What about if I slept with a fairly promiscuous girl once, Why am I not banned? Or how about the gay man who has been in a monogamous relationship for 40 years, he still deserve a ban?

Making a ban that targets a specific demographic just because of some social title applied to them is wrong. Applying a ban based on specific credible scientific data is fine.

With my own arguement, yes I would support a ban on gay men donating blood in the 80's and early 90's. The evidence showed a much higher infection rate then. But that does not apply today.

Betonov

09-09-11, 02:25 PM

A little off topic, went and donated blood on tuesday.
I highly recomend it and not for the moral feeling of doing something right afterwards, but the dizzy feeling right after you donated, the free food and coffee and this nurse that works there <3<3<3 :oops: (suprisingly, she's not red-haired)

Armistead

09-09-11, 02:29 PM

Sea Demon

09-09-11, 02:30 PM

But there is little difference in infectious rates these days.

Absolutely not true. There's this:

http://www.science20.com/news_account/different_hiv_rates_among_homosexuals_and_heterose xuals_ignores_risky_behavior_data

In 2005, over half of new HIV infections diagnosed in the US were among gay men, and up to one in five gay men living in cities is thought to be HIV positive. Yet two large population surveys showed that most gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners per year as straight men and women.This indicates a terrifying difference in rates of HIV infection in the homo community.

Plus you've obviously never heard of "bug-chasing".

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/13507/bug_chasing_why_some_men_want_to_become.html

This is a mostly homo activity. Those of us who live in California know what this is and it's impact. Your need to appear "tolerant" simply isn't worth the risks to the blood supply if my family needs a transfusion. Homo's specifically need to be banned to cut risks. You're right, we can't eliminate all risks. But here is one risk that can be minimized.

Betonov

09-09-11, 02:36 PM

I wonder what test they give to determine if someone is gay so they can give blood, just ask? What if the person lies, what if the gay person slept with someone the night before, but said he'd been celibate for over a year? Are they just trusting people to tell the truth...?

Here you just answer a quick form. And it doesn't ask you if you're gay, just if you had sexual intercourse with a same gender person, a prostitute or if you have been a prostitute in the last month (plus other questions on which medication you're taking, are you on drugs...) and then a doctor has a quick talk with you.

I actually had a school friend in high school that's gay and he donated blood. He just told the doctor that he had a steady partner for a long time then.

Growler

09-09-11, 03:59 PM

Please refrain from using the derogatory "homo" when referring to homosexual people. Thanks.

ZeeWolf

09-09-11, 04:15 PM

Please refrain from using the derogatory "homo" when referring to homosexual people. Thanks.

homo is Greek for man!

that means homosexual means mansexual

Jimbuna

09-09-11, 04:20 PM

There is a higher risk of infection with IV drug users, but I don't see you supporting a ban on them? What about if I slept with a fairly promiscuous girl once, Why am I not banned? Or how about the gay man who has been in a monogamous relationship for 40 years, he still deserve a ban?

Making a ban that targets a specific demographic just because of some social title applied to them is wrong. Applying a ban based on specific credible scientific data is fine.

I agree with the fundamental points being made here.

the_tyrant

09-09-11, 04:25 PM

razark

09-09-11, 04:29 PM

i understand the fundamental reasoning behind the ban

after all, the anus is not designed for penetration
there are higher chances of small tears forming, and therefore a higher chance of STDs spreading

however, safe sex ideals are increasingly popular in gay communities, and therefore, the risk should be reduced
Heterosexuals are not the only ones to engage in such practices. Is there any concern over heterosexual women that have engaged in anal sex within the past year? If not, why not?

ZeeWolf

09-09-11, 04:29 PM

Takeda Shingen

09-09-11, 04:42 PM

I have not seen anything credible that breaks the notion of AIDS, Hepatitis-C, and various other STD's being more prevalent in the homo community. This is a problem that has occured with the advent of "political homosexuality". Since this politicization happened, I trust no such research as credible. I also don't trust that every blood sample is tested and know for a fact that there are breakdowns in every system. Simply put, I believe this policy is unnecessarily putting their nation's blood supply at risk to appease homos and idiotic leftists who wish to appear "tolerant". It's idiotic and dangerous.

Replace "homo" with 'black" and it is suddenly a blast from the past. :shifty:

This thread went from edgy to revolting in less that three pages; what must be a new record here on SubSim. After reading it, I think I need a shower.

Growler

09-09-11, 04:55 PM

homo is Greek for man!

that means homosexual means mansexual

Homo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo) is Latin.

"Homo's" is derogatory.

Krauter

09-09-11, 05:09 PM

This thread went from edgy to revolting in less that three pages; what must be a new record here on SubSim. After reading it, I think I need a shower.

^ This..:nope:

Tchocky

09-09-11, 05:23 PM

As someone who is legally barred from donating blood, and owes his life to a total blood transfusion, it makes me angry to see people blocked from doing a noble and generous thing for reasons that are no longer valid.

It makes me angrier when such blockades are supported for ugly reasons.

Gerald

09-09-11, 06:54 PM

Much of this is based on old values, and not quite consistent with current sense.

Platapus

09-09-11, 06:55 PM

Replace "homo" with 'black" and it is suddenly a blast from the past. :shifty:

This thread went from edgy to revolting in less that three pages; what must be a new record here on SubSim. After reading it, I think I need a shower.

It was not all that long ago when people used to worry about getting a black person's blood.

I think people should be given a choice. If they are bleeding to death, the doctor should take the time to ask them whether they want to accept blood that may come from a homosexual (or even a black homosexual) or whether they choose to bleed to death.

It is the only fair way.

razark

09-09-11, 07:04 PM

It is the only fair way.
What if they are unconscious? Give them blood, and when they wake up ask them if they want to keep it?

Sailor Steve

09-09-11, 07:04 PM

You know that if you recieve blood from a woman you'll turn gay.

It's an established fact.

:O: :D

Platapus

09-09-11, 07:06 PM

I would prefer the blood of some rich guy then. Hey, it can't hurt!

Gerald

09-09-11, 07:09 PM

I would prefer the blood of some rich guy then. Hey, it can't hurt! And then you wake up poor, :hmmm:

Platapus

09-09-11, 07:25 PM

Interesting history on US blood segregation

Charles Richard Drew was born in Washington, D.C. on June 3, 1904 to Thomas and Nora Drew. Dr Drew's mother quit her job as a teacher after he was born to care for him and her other children.

Charles attended Stevens Elementary School and Paul Dunbar High School. He lettered on the football, baseball, basketball, and track teams and won the James. E. Walker Memorial Medal as the school's outstanding all-around athlete. The family also lived close to a farm where horses were raised and trained. Charles loved spending time at the farm after school. He became an expert rider and learned how to care for and groom the horses.
Charles attended Amherst College and after graduation in 1926, he taught biology for two years at Morgan State University. He entered medical school at McGill University in Montreal in 1929 and graduated second in his class in 1933 . While at McGill, he was elected to the Alpha Omega Alpha National Honor Society for medical students and also starred on the track team.

After graduation, Dr. Drew returned to Washington D.C. to serve a surgical residency at Howard University's Freedman's Hospital. In 1938 he attended Columbia University on a Rockefeller Foundation Fellowship. In 1940 Dr. Drew became the first African American to earn a Doctor of Science in Medicine Degree, (M.D. Sc.). Dr. Drew's doctorial thesis involved research into the properties and preservation of blood plasma. His thesis, "Banked Blood" established Dr. Drew as the leading authority on the preservation of blood plasma.

During the early years of World War II the British were in desperate need of blood for their wounded soldiers and in 1940 Dr Drew was chosen to lead the Blood for Britain program. Dr Drew arranged for plasma to be flown to Great Britain and set up several blood banks in the country.

In 1941 Dr Drew was chosen to lead the American Red Cross blood bank program, however a War Department directive stated that, "It is not advisable to indiscriminately mix Caucasian and and Negro blood for use in blood transfusions for the U.S. Military". Dr Drew protested against this blood segregation (which has no basis in scientific fact) and as a result was forced to resign his position. (The United States Military did not end segregation of it's blood supplies until 1949).

Following his service in World War II Dr Drew returned to Howard University where he taught until his death in 1950. Dr Drew also served as Chief of Surgery at Freedmen's Hospital and was elected to the International College of Surgeons in 1946. He was appointed as a surgical consultant for the Army's European Theater of Operations in 1949.

Dr. Charles Richard Drew was killed in an automobile accident after giving a speech at the Tuskegee Institute on April 1, 1950. The Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School was established in California in 1966.

http://www.esperstamps.org/aa13.htm

Another interesting link

http://www.kywcrh.org/archives/2248

Gerald

09-09-11, 07:33 PM

Interesting story and links.

Torplexed

09-09-11, 07:50 PM

You know that if you recieve blood from a woman you'll turn gay.

It's an established fact.

Now he tells me!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tBG2IgYSIHg/RxuuvdhyJDI/AAAAAAAAAb8/-Zoq66JcaGg/s400/jack-palance-dracula-1973.jpg

Gerald

09-09-11, 07:53 PM

He has not been discussed here.....yet!

Tribesman

09-10-11, 02:11 AM

Homo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo) is Latin.

Its a pattern growler, aside from all his nazi crap, our resident holocaust denying brainbox has a habit of claiming greek is latin and latin is greek.
I think you will find that he is correct though as it will turn out the dictionaries and encyclopedias are often books and books are a type of media and the jews run the media so we have all been brainwashed apart from the master race who see the true truth.

Excellent point I could not agree more Sea Demon
Oh well, thats Sea demons post shot to pieces:rotfl2: