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The Yak-42 has a capacity of more than 100 passengers.
An airliner carrying a major league ice hockey team has crashed in Russia killing 43 people.
Reports said the plane burst into flames shortly after taking off from an airport at the city of Yaroslavl, about 250km (160 miles) north-east of Moscow.
Members of the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl hockey team were on board the plane on their way to Minsk in Belarus.
Officials said two people were unaccounted for after the crash, the cause of which has not been confirmed.
The hockey team had been due to play Dinamo Minsk in the opening game of the season of the Kontinental Hockey League on Thursday.
The team includes players from Germany, Sweden, and Slovakia as well as Russia. It was not clear how many of the fatalities were members of the team.
The plane, a Yak-42, had a capacity of more than 100 passengers, but it is thought only 45 people were on board.
A local policeman told the BBC Russian service he had seen the plane come down.
He said the plane had barely taken off before it plunged to the ground, and he saw "flames as high as a nine-storey building".
The country has a poor aviation safety record. In July this year a passenger plane crashed in northern Russia and 44 people died.
President Dmitry Medvedev has promised to overhaul the industry and take out of service ageing jets from the Soviet era.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14822582
Note: 7 September 2011 Last updated at 14:38 GMT
Hottentot
09-07-11, 10:09 AM
I was hoping to say: "in before wisecrackers and nutjob conspiracy theorists", but apparently I'll have to be content with saying: "in before nutjob conspiracy theorists."
As well as this: ...
Growler
09-07-11, 10:30 AM
A shame. Doesn't sound lke they had much of a chance. Condolences to their families and their fans - this is going to be hard on a lot of people.
I know how devastated I was when I found out that Flyers goalie Pelle Lindbergh had been in an auto accident that would eventually be the cause of his death, and how hard this past summer's been on the NHL with the deaths of Derek Boogard, Rick Rypien, and most recently, Wade Belak.
It'd be a shame if, even in light of this event, the Russian aviation folks don't do something to make their part in the industry safer.
Tchocky
09-07-11, 10:41 AM
It'd be a shame if, even in light of this event, the Russian aviation folks don't do something to make their part in the industry safer.
The older jets (Tu-134 etc) are being withdrawn at the moment. From what I've been reading on the crash, the aircraft lost engine power shortly after takeoff and couldn't make it above a radar antenna mast. Now I don't know what eejit placed a tall mast near an active runway, but I also don't know if the aircraft was off course due to the engine trouble and couldn't steer away from obstructions.
Loss of power/lift at low altitude and low speed, whether it's due to birdstrike or mechanical failure or whatever, doesn't vary in severity due to aircraft type or country of origin. We don't know enough right now about this incident.
Growler
09-07-11, 10:44 AM
The older jets (Tu-134 etc) are being withdrawn at the moment. From what I've been reading on the crash, the aircraft lost engine power shortly after takeoff and couldn't make it above a radar antenna mast. Now I don't know what eejit placed a tall mast near an active runway, but I also don't know if the aircraft was off course due to the engine trouble and couldn't steer away from obstructions.
Loss of power/lift at low altitude and low speed, whether it's due to birdstrike or mechanical failure or whatever, doesn't vary in severity due to aircraft type or country of origin. We don't know enough right now about this incident.
You're right, of course. I was directing that last comment in response to the last line in Vendor's excerpt.
nikimcbee
09-07-11, 10:51 AM
Noooooooooo!:o That's awful, they were one of my favorite Russian hockey clubs! I have a jersey of theirs.
http://en.khl.ru/news/2011/9/7/24152.html
http://www.khl.ru/upload/images/lokomotiv_2010.jpg
http://www.ohlalumnicentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/yaroslavl-lokomotiv-logo.gif
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Stefan Liv dead in plane crash.
Swedish Foreign Ministry and Life's agent confirms. The Swedish national team goalie Stefan Liv was one of the 44 people killed in Thursday's Russian plane crash. On board were Russian team Lokomotiv.
Growler
09-07-11, 11:10 AM
Former Flyer Brad McCrimmon feared dead in crash. (http://phillysportsdaily.com/flyers/2011/09/07/report-former-flyer-brad-mccrimmon-dies-in-plane-crash/)
As well as former NHLers Pavol Demitra and Ruslan Salei. (http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/NHLers+downed+plane+reports/5364518/story.html)
I remember watching McCrimmon when he was with the Flyers.
duncanfogg
09-07-11, 12:58 PM
Yeesh, this was very shocking for me to wake up to. Quite a few well-recognized names on that list. Just sad.
RIP Stefan,and team Lokomotiv, :cry:
Anthony W.
09-07-11, 01:25 PM
This thread... Does not surprise me...
mako88sb
09-07-11, 01:27 PM
Former Flyer Brad McCrimmon feared dead in crash. (http://phillysportsdaily.com/flyers/2011/09/07/report-former-flyer-brad-mccrimmon-dies-in-plane-crash/)
As well as former NHLers Pavol Demitra and Ruslan Salei. (http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/NHLers+downed+plane+reports/5364518/story.html)
I remember watching McCrimmon when he was with the Flyers.
He played for our Calgary Flames as well and helped us win the cup in 1989. :cry:
This thread... Does not surprise me... In what way?
Growler
09-07-11, 01:36 PM
He played for our Calgary Flames as well and helped us win the cup in 1989. :cry:
I'm glad he got his name on the Cup with somebody, especially after coming so close with Philly and falling short. Only reason I posted it that way is that I always remembered him in the orange & black - no slight intended at all.
This is turning into a tough summer for hockey fans.
mako88sb
09-07-11, 02:19 PM
I'm glad he got his name on the Cup with somebody, especially after coming so close with Philly and falling short. Only reason I posted it that way is that I always remembered him in the orange & black - no slight intended at all.
This is turning into a tough summer for hockey fans.
Hey, no problem at all. I don't really follow hockey much(I know, blasphemy for a Canuck) so didn't even know he played for the Flyers.
nikimcbee
09-07-11, 02:34 PM
They weren't only "just a team", but they were one of the top teams in their pro league.
Jimbuna
09-07-11, 02:38 PM
They weren't only "just a team", but they were one of the top teams in their pro league.
Yeah, a real tragedy :nope:
However you slice it, any time that a top-class group of young, talented guys dies like this, is a terrible thing :(
Russians build excellent airplanes and have done a lot to improve safety over the last few years, but right now the age of many of these birds is really not helping. I hope Yak-42s, Tu-134s and 154s are retired and soon. There's a reason that you don't see similarly-aged (and designed) 727s flying in this part of the world anymore.
Jimbuna
09-07-11, 02:54 PM
However you slice it, any time that a top-class group of young, talented guys dies like this, is a terrible thing :(
Russians build excellent airplanes and have done a lot to improve safety over the last few years, but right now the age of many of these birds is really not helping. I hope Yak-42s, Tu-134s and 154s are retired and soon. There's a reason that you don't see similarly-aged (and designed) 727s flying in this part of the world anymore.
I was thinking that myself....Russia has always managed to get a lot more air miles out of their aircraft than most European countries....and sadly this is just another terrible example of the occasional consequence.
Anthony W.
09-07-11, 05:28 PM
In what way?
The Russian commercial fleet is very aging and it doesn't seem to have a great track record.
The Russian commercial fleet is very aging and it doesn't seem to have a great track record. I understand what you mean, :yep:
Highbury
09-07-11, 05:41 PM
Very sad news for the hockey community. This, on top of the last few months has made for an extremely somber period in the sport. :cry:
Reading up on Russian news, it does seem that some form of engine failure is likely to blame. As the account goes, the plane apparently overran the runway and briefly ran on gravel, then became airborne, clipped some sort of antenna on the airfield with one of its wings, continued through the air for about a kilometer, then crashed into the river bank. Another version says that it did become airborne quickly but rolled sharply left after takeoff and didn't climb quickly enough to avoid the antenna. Given that the airport has a 10,000ft runway, it is a bit odd for a relatively small plane to just over-run it like that.
The airplane was built in 1993, and according to at least one source was due to be withdrawn from service next month.
The BBC's Steve Rosenberg says Dmitry Medvedev has vowed to take action on aviation safety.
ce hockey fans from around the world are mourning after a plane crash in Russia wiped out most players from the major league team Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev visited the crash scene and promised a full investigation into the accident, the causes of which are not yet known.
Thousands of fans gathered in Yaroslavl to pay their respects, many dressed in team colours with scarves and flags.
Some 36 players and officials died in the crash, along with seven crew.
The dead included the team's Canadian coach, Brad McCrimmon, and Swedish Olympic champion goalie Stefan Liv. One player and one crew member escaped with severe injuries.
World ice hockey chief Rene Fasel said the crash in Yaroslavl was "the darkest day in the history of our sport".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14832433
Note: Update Record, 8 September 2011 Last updated at 09:46 GMT
Jimbuna
09-08-11, 07:48 AM
Reading up on Russian news, it does seem that some form of engine failure is likely to blame. As the account goes, the plane apparently overran the runway and briefly ran on gravel, then became airborne, clipped some sort of antenna on the airfield with one of its wings, continued through the air for about a kilometer, then crashed into the river bank. Another version says that it did become airborne quickly but rolled sharply left after takeoff and didn't climb quickly enough to avoid the antenna. Given that the airport has a 10,000ft runway, it is a bit odd for a relatively small plane to just over-run it like that.
The airplane was built in 1993, and according to at least one source was due to be withdrawn from service next month.
Well eighteen years of age for an aircraft isn't all that old...provided it's been well maintained.
Anthony W.
09-08-11, 04:24 PM
Well eighteen years of age for an aircraft isn't all that old...provided it's been well maintained.
In Russia, plane maintain YOU.
Krauter
09-08-11, 11:15 PM
From what little information I could gather it said that the plane overran the runway and took to long to gain altitude hitting the mast and clipping the wing where it continued a kilometer and then crashed near where the river joins the Volga.
Very sad day, few of my favourite Russian players were on board :nope:
Krauter
This story just got even sadder
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14879198
The only player to survive the crash didn't make it :cry:
Growler
09-12-11, 08:37 AM
A sad, sad event, all around. I feel for the one survivor... this will be very, very hard for him, should he emerge from intensive care.
Jimbuna
09-12-11, 04:39 PM
This story just got even sadder
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14879198
The only player to survive the crash didn't make it :cry:
Very sad indeed :nope:
Tchocky
09-12-11, 05:26 PM
According to one of the ATC on duty, the aircraft didn't even get airborne until a couple of metres after the threshold. Mechanical failures and whatnot aside, it's looking like the pilot should have initiated a rejected takeoff.
Looking at some of the Civil Aviation rules and regulations, it looks like the Yak-42 cannot take off at full load with one engine out :/
All very preliminary at the moment. I know that the Yak-42 was delayed in testing due to many problems, most of them around the tail area.
Haven't translated it yet, maybe-real-maybe-fake video HERE - http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/238742/
Highbury
09-12-11, 06:09 PM
According to one of the ATC on duty, the aircraft didn't even get airborne until a couple of metres after the threshold. Mechanical failures and whatnot aside, it's looking like the pilot should have initiated a rejected takeoff.
When I started taking flying lessons the instructor said "Any fool can fly a plane, it takes a good pilot to make the right decisions." For some reason that came to mind reading your sentence. (It's not a judgement on the pilot, just a though that came to mind.)
One of the players, Pavol Demitra, was until recently a player on my local NHL team so it is getting quite a bit of press here. He was at his best with St. Louis so it is probably the same there.
http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=587826
gimpy117
09-12-11, 09:43 PM
I hope Yak-42s, Tu-134s and 154s are retired and soon. There's a reason that you don't see similarly-aged (and designed) 727s flying in this part of the world anymore.
yeah, I did a walk around of an Ex-FedEX 727, and I can assure you it was rough, leaking skydrol, some fuel, paint nasty. She was made in 1975 and looked her age. I'm sure those Russian planes are no different, especially coming from Russia with such harsh winters.
although it was cool the see the mighty 727 still equipped with the cooper stair in person
Tchocky
09-13-11, 04:54 AM
yeah, I did a walk around of an Ex-FedEX 727, and I can assure you it was rough, leaking skydrol, some fuel, paint nasty. She was made in 1975 and looked her age. I'm sure those Russian planes are no different, especially coming from Russia with such harsh winters.
although it was cool the see the mighty 727 still equipped with the cooper stair in person
Maintained properly, an aircraft will last it's design life and mabe beyond. Look at the RAF VC10 and Tristar fleet, which work very hard indeed. The 727 you saw may not have had future owners/operators in the pipeline and so was not up to scratch. The paint job doesn't tell you much, I guess in Russia the paint is a lower priority due to the severe winter weather - a/c paint hates hail.
From what it looks like to me, I'm guessing one or more engines blinked out between V1 and VR. Whether the pilots had any indication of this in time to reject the takeoff I don't know. It could also be that the a/c was improperly configured for takeoff, like the Spanair MD82 crash in Madrid a few years back.
gimpy117
09-13-11, 02:55 PM
Maintained properly, an aircraft will last it's design life and mabe beyond. Look at the RAF VC10 and Tristar fleet, which work very hard indeed. The 727 you saw may not have had future owners/operators in the pipeline and so was not up to scratch. The paint job doesn't tell you much, I guess in Russia the paint is a lower priority due to the severe winter weather - a/c paint hates hail.
It was donated to my University by fed ex. The reason i mentioned to paint is because it was eaten away by all the fuel and Skydrol she was leaking. Even if air frames are maintained to the most they can possibly be, there still is an inverse bell curve of incidents that occurs at the beginning of an aircraft's life to the end. I'm sure these older russian air frames are beginning to come to the end, where accidents are more likely, especially when these Russian air carriers are dealing with older aircraft and smaller budgets. What you say about the old Tristars being in good shape may be true...but I'm positive they spend a lot of maintenance costs for those aircraft.
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