It's like a sci-fi story

[mapuc]

A couple of weeks ago I ran into a many-parts-video on youtube.

After have seen everyone of them(yes I have to much time) I have come to the conclusion that's nothing more than a sci-fi novel.

Making a movie on this story? Bad idea, even thou, it have almost everything.

It's about 2012 and the "ET's" that's gonna save some of us.

I'm not the one to judge if this person is suffering from schizophrenia or not
but if you see some of those video, you will notice that there a lots of inspiration from sci-fi movies and tv-series.

Here are the first part. (there are 59 so far and they are about 14 min.long)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG9Yh8MsPiY

Just watch it as some sci-fi novel

Markus

[Reece]

yes I have to much time

Markus

Amen to that!:yep:

[Torplexed]

this series of videos is a summary of encounters with an alien coming from a planet in the Andromeda galaxy. The Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light years from earth. That means any light (let alone radio or TV signals) reaching Andromeda from our sun dates from the Ice Age. Yet they know we're here. Right.

[Raptor1]

The Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light years from earth. That means any light (let alone radio or TV signals) reaching Andromeda from our sun dates from the Ice Age. Yet they know we're here. Right.

Close minded skeptic! How dare you attempt to discredit these theories with mere science!

All hail our Andromedan overlords!


...:O:

[Torplexed]

Close minded skeptic! How dare you attempt to discredit these theories with mere science!

All hail our Andromedan overlords!


...:O:

I guess I've never understood the idea of these kind, genial aliens who cross vast distances of space and time just to save little ol' us from ourselves. Always seemed a bit earthocentric to me. I figure I have about as much in common with aliens who can zip the staggering distances from galaxy to galaxy as does a jet pilot with an amoeba in a puddle. :D

[TLAM Strike]

All hail our Andromedan overlords!


...:O:

Andromedans! Pffft! They can even hold their liqueur! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWEDZFoLmyA)

[Castout]

It's trash.


The most dangerous trash is one which combine truth with lies.

Not sure which trash that one is because I have no interest to watch it beyond the first 10 sec.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry, the writing is so poor and full of mistakes I went crazy after a minute or so. That, and it was extremely boring.

The most dangerous trash is one which combine truth with lies.
Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.

[joea]

What's with the computer voice? Boring and dumb. :yawn:

[Castout]

Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.

Claims? Like what? I never claimed. At most I gave my testimony. And you claimed I'm lying.

I don't know who put the poison into you Steve. I thought we were cool. But the one who is claiming is you: that I am lying.

So you claimed that my testimonies are false thus you claimed that you're making yourself a judge of my experience?

Interesting Steve.

And please do specify what claims that you claimed i've made. Please you must. And please based on what evidence that you now judge those to be false and by what authority you made yourself a judge of somebody's else experience. Please Steve let us or me know.

And you know Steve everybody here has the right to post anywhere they LIKE, GT included without exception. There's no obligation to prefer a few forum sections than another. Not at all. Someone must have put poison into you. I've observed everyone that hated me for no reason will suffer hardship in their life sooner or later and can't turn around it. I have a regime who took so much of my life and I still make my stand and alive and have my hopes. I will not let anyone or even the world, the devil or anything but God to have the audacity to condemn me. Come what may I don't give a damn. Why Steve why? It seems I have misjudged you. I'm disappointed . . . or not . . . . since I am not exactly your friend in the first place anyway.

Now I will make you hate me even more. I once asked God a private question and I asked Him to give me an earthquake as the answer and you know what He did! Right then Steve right then. I was perhaps the only person who dared to remain standing while the floor moved all over.
So you see Steve this is not another claim as a person is required to prove a claim because the purpose of a claim is to convince while I'm just telling you Steve of this as a testimony. Hate me more or laugh at me more I really don't care as a lying person would try to make people believe his lies whereas I'm not even trying to make anyone to believe me as I'm merely mentioning it as a testimony from my part. I do not give a hell whether anyone would believe or otherwise. I'm here to make a statement and try to give them a clue that the world is larger than their perception.

But if you claim I am lying then you better prove it as you're claiming that you can prove that those are false.
You see even a liar would try to make his lies.....believable so that people are more susceptible to his lies. I'm not trying to do that as I'm not lying.

I can even tell you what the dead feel: they are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register the passage of time. They can't think nor feel, they can't pray to nor praise God. The only good thing is that they are unable to register the passage of time. You see there must be reason why the dead do not simply vanish but still kept in such condition. That reason must be resurrection and that they are no longer aware of the passing of time would mean they will never feel they have been in death for long before they are raised. The closest word to describe the condition of the dead is 'sleeping' though it's not an exact word as death is a sleep without end, a perpetual sleep. I know all this because once God revealed this to me(without me dying of course) I who once believed like any other stupid Catholic does. A Catholic who read his bible but never understood too many crucial parts of it until God helped me on that one.

Believe me or otherwise all this is in the scriptures too but that the mainstream Christianity have rejected this in place of a Greek idea of heaven, that is of immediate life after death. This is too not a claim but a testimony, a statement that for this one has the backing of the scriptures even the Muslim Koran.

[Tribesman]

Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.
Is that a personal attack?:hmmm:

What's with the computer voice?
Its advanced alien technology from the planet Bleeuuurgah-Ka.
Boring and dumb.
Not surprising if you consider that planet it came from.

[Dowly]

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x462/Dowly/football20player20popcorn.jpg

[TarJak]

Sorry, the writing is so poor and full of mistakes I went crazy after a minute or so. I could have sworn you were crazy when we met in Houston in '08.:O::D

[Torplexed]

What's with the computer voice? Boring and dumb. :yawn:

Probably a pathetic attempt to ape the sound of physicist Steven Hawkins' voice synthesizer. "Maybe If I sound like a famous scientist, the gullible and brain-dead will buy my story". :88)

[Sailor Steve]

Claims? Like what? I never claimed. At most I gave my testimony. And you claimed I'm lying.
I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?

I don't know who put the poison into you Steve.
No poison at all, just skepticism.

I thought we were cool. But the one who is claiming is you: that I am lying.
Again, show where I've ever said that.

So you claimed that my testimonies are false thus you claimed that you're making yourself a judge of my experience?
You call someone's claims trash. In this case I agree. But you make flat-out statements and expect everyone to accept them on your word. I'd like to know it for a fact.

And please do specify what claims that you claimed i've made. Please you must. And please based on what evidence that you now judge those to be false and by what authority you made yourself a judge of somebody's else experience. Please Steve let us or me know.
You claim on a regular basis to "know for a fact" that God exists. I just want to see some facts so I can know it too.

And you know Steve everybody here has the right to post anywhere they LIKE, GT included without exception. There's no obligation to prefer a few forum sections than another.
Absolutely. And if Jimbuna were to start claiming that space aliens had landed and talked to him (not that he believed in them, but that they had actually talked to him) I would demand the same evidence. Do you see the difference?

Not at all. Someone must have put poison into you. I've observed everyone that hated me for no reason will suffer hardship in their life sooner or later and can't turn around it.
I don't hate you at all. I'm just asking for some evidence for what you "know". You see, I used to believe as well, but I no longer do because I've looked long and hard and realized that there is no evidence. I don't claim you're lying, or even that you're wrong, which is why I'm not an atheist. I just want to see some proof, that's all.

Now I will make you hate me even more. I once asked God a private question and I asked Him to give me an earthquake as the answer and you know what He did! Right then Steve right then. I was perhaps the only person who dared to remain standing while the floor moved all over.
So you see Steve this is not another claim as a person is required to prove a claim because the purpose of a claim is to convince while I'm just telling you Steve of this as a testimony. Hate me more or laugh at me more I really don't care as a lying person would try to make people believe his lies whereas I'm not even trying to make anyone to believe me as I'm merely mentioning it as a testimony from my part. I do not give a hell whether anyone would believe or otherwise. I'm here to make a statement and try to give them a clue that the world is larger than their perception.
If I don't hate you at all, it's kind of hard to hate you more. On the other hand, I paraphrase Thomas Paine: "If God talks to me it's a revelation. If I tell someone else, it's hearsay." So maybe your earthquake really happened. I can't, and won't, say it didn't. But if you want me to believe you, you need to show some proof.

But if you claim I am lying then you better prove it as you're claiming that you can prove that those are false.
You see even a liar would try to make his lies.....believable so that people are more susceptible to his lies. I'm not trying to do that as I'm not lying.
I can claim to have a pet tyrannosaurus in my backyard. Do I? If I make the claim it's up to me to prove it. You called the videos that started this thread "trash". By the standards you stated you need to prove that they are. Can you?

I can even tell you what the dead feel: they are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register the passage of time. They can't think nor feel, they can't pray to nor praise God. The only good thing is that they are unable to register the passage of time.
And how exactly do you know this? Can you show me?

You see there must be reason why the dead do not simply vanish but still kept in such condition.
Umm, because they're dead? And they aren't kept in any condition. They rot away, eaten by bacteria and then worms, until there's nothing left but the bones, and in time perhaps not even that.

That reason must be resurrection and that they are no longer aware of the passing of time would mean they will never feel they have been in death for long before they are raised.
"Must be"? I'm not discounting the possibility, but there is no "must be" here. Once again, saying you believe it requires no proof, but claiming for a fact that it's real most certainly does.

I know all this because once God revealed this to me(without me dying of course)
Please show me. I'm not calling you a liar, and never have, but I was a devout believer for many years and never once actually had such a revelation. Maybe you did, but for the rest of us claiming it doesn't make it so. Should I hail you as a prophet? Or should I ask for evidence? My reason and natural skepticism force me to do the latter.

I who once believed like any other stupid Catholic does. A Catholic who read his bible but never understood too many crucial parts of it until God helped me on that one.
Why are you attacking the Catholics? Or bringing them into this at all. I don't know that they're wrong either. Or the Muslims, for that matter.

Believe me or otherwise all this is in the scriptures too but that the mainstream Christianity have rejected this in place of a Greek idea of heaven, that is of immediate life after death. This is too not a claim but a testimony, a statement that for this one has the backing of the scriptures even the Muslim Koran.
And how do I know that mainstream Christianity is wrong? Because you say so? One last time, all I've ever asked is that if you are going to claim, in public, that you know for a fact that there is a God and that he has indeed spoken to you, that you show some evidence so I can believe it too. If not, then maybe you should talk about what you believe, and not what you "know".

[Sailor Steve]

I could have sworn you were crazy when we met in Houston in '08.:O::D
And you would be right. But there's a big difference between talking to myself on a regular basis and screaming at myself and bashing my head against the wall. :damn: :sunny:

[kiwi_2005]

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets." General Douglas MacArthur

[mapuc]

The videos that I have linked to, could give the impression that I would talk about the end of the world. That's NOT the case here.

I love Sci-fi, wether it's on tv, or in a book.

and those videos is for like an online digital audiobook nothing more nothing less.

But, let us for a second, talk about the "message" in those videos. You can choose from one of thise statement, I have presented below.

1. I believe in everything they say on that video
2. The world is coming to an end one day, but no one knows when
3. The world is gonna remain forever and ever.

I have picked number 2.
I believe the world one day, will get rid of us.

But the main message I delieve in the thread, is about those videos wich I see as an online digital sci-fi audiobook.

So please my beloved friends, do not mock your friends even if they have an another believe

Markus

[Dowly]

If we don't kill ourselves or the Earth get rid of us, the Sun going BIG-BADA-BOOM will, so I'll say #2.

[Raptor1]

Strictly speaking, the planet has a fair chance of remaining intact 'forever' (Not really forever, but close enough that it doesn't matter). It being able to support life for that long is the very unlikely thing.

[mapuc]

I don't wanna start a new thread about the samme issue and why I have lost al type of respect.

It was somewhere in 2008 or 9 I first heard of this 2012 prophercy
Then it was the magnetic north and south poles that was coming to a "flip"
Later some or someone made it more dramatic, now the whole world would tip over and not just the magnetic poles.

Later on someone put an asteroid into the (sry forgot the word, it's a math word)
Later this asteroid was now made inte a planeroid. And would you believe it, now it's become a mini solar system that's on it's way.

They say the whole thing is about to start in Sept-okt and if it's true then we should see those planets

There's a asteroid on it's way, "Elenine" but it's a smal tiny one.

Markus

[Torplexed]

There's a asteroid on it's way, "Elenine" but it's a smal tiny one.

Markus

At this point it appears that Comet Elenin is disintegrating.

http://www.universetoday.com/88494/comet-elenin-could-be-disintigrating/

As one journalist noted, perhaps it couldn't handle all the doomsayer publicity. ;)

[Tribesman]

At this point it appears that Comet Elenin is disintegrating.

http://www.universetoday.com/88494/c...isintigrating/ (http://www.universetoday.com/88494/comet-elenin-could-be-disintigrating/)

As one journalist noted, perhaps it couldn't handle all the doomsayer publicity.
Is Elenin booking a place in rehab?

[Castout]

I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?


I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.

You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying. I can only testify and some of those testimonies can be proof when they happen ahead of time or when some knowledge involved not having to do with studying the scripture.

I'm 100% confident that I will pass lying detector on the statements I made about God. But that still won't prove I'm speaking the truth but that will prove I'm convinced I'm speaking the truth.

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.
I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.


I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth. And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass. I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.

[Skybird]

The bitter truth is that according to all we believe to know, scientifically, any meeting with an alien from another planet would mean that our current knowledge of astronomy and physics is not complete (I'm sure it is far from that, btw.), or false.

Because either ET has come from a planet close enough to allow linear space travel in our understanding, which would mean there are planets carrying intelligent life in our closest neighbourhood in this galaxy, much closer than we assume, and we have not discovered these planets, leaving our observations capacity in shame.

Or ET has come from a damn far away place indeed, in which case linear travel would have been impossible, so his transportation means would make mockery of what we consider to be safe and proven knowledge in physics.

Or he has come from somewhere completely different, a parallel universe, a different dimension, a different time. In which case again we would need to realsie that our physics knowledge is far from complete.

In any of these cases, it would mean that we are in the inferior position, facing ET. And what knowledge do we have that allows us to assume that "they" have not so primtive motives like we humans have, and that we should not be worried about "their" superiority? History books, anyone? Lessons to be learned from them?

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Almost all to be seen on this pic, more than 99,999...% - is just empty space, and the matter we get an idea of to exist in the bright spots - again is consisting of just empty space.

And although it is just empty void, this void nevertheless seems to have a superimposed structure.

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9561/fsscr000.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/fsscr000.jpg/)

[Torplexed]

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.

Or as Nietzsche would say, when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you. :D

Of course, how well that translates from German to English I cannot say. :03:

[Gargamel]

What I find funny is that the Mayan calendar ending in 2012 only means that they ran out of rock. Nothing else.

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2231353.jpg

http://readbetweenthelines.info/wp-content/uploads/mayan%20calendar%20comic.jpg

http://cdn1.topsy.com/imgsrv/r?c=1&s=1&h=10000&w=10000&u=http://twitpic.com/sjlu6

http://www.dorktower.com/images/comics/DorkTower776.gif

http://www.webdonuts.com/comics/2009-12-09-Mayan-Calendar.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.
A good point, but why not show himself to everybody? It would solve a lot of problems. Of course only God can know the answer to that, so it's not a question for which I'm actively looking for an answer, because I know I won't find one.

[qyite]You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.[/quote]
I'm not assuming anything.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying.
Again, I've never once said you were lying. I did say it was funny that you would call someone else's assertion "trash". You essentially said that he was lying. How do you know?

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.
For that I am truly sorry, and I would help if I could.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.
And you don't know me very well. I don't doubt or question your experiences. I only say that if you want me to believe you some evidence would be nice. If you don't want me to believe you then why tell me about it. I've said many times that I neither believe nor disbelieve, because I don't know.

I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.
How does one know the scripture is correct? I don't, which is why I don't place my faith in it. And if a scripture is correct, which one? Many people claim to have the truth, and many of them disagree with each other. Who do I believe? I don't know.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.
You may know you're not a liar, but how do you know you're not crazy? I don't know that I'm not crazy, and I think that acknowledging the fact that I might be crazy is the only thing that keeps me sane.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.
Yes, I could. There are many possible answers for those questions. But I won't say that, because I don't know that you're wrong.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.
I've never seen psychic phenomena either. I don't know that such things exist. You keep thinking I'm calling you a lot of things, and I'm not. You're doing all the thinking, and you're thinking too much. I've never called you any of those things, and I never will. You completely mistake my meaning.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.
Again you're making your own arguments and thinking that is what I think. I don't claim you didn't see those things, I only say I would like to see proof, or see them myself.

I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.
I can't prove you're lying anymore than you can prove you're telling the truth. The problem I have is that when you say you've seen something it seems to be because you want others to believe you. Since I've never seen these things they are hard to accept. That's not your problem, but it does make it hard to believe.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth.
A good point. Unfortunately one can look for a lifetime and never find what another says came to him in an instant. You may think I doubt you, but I doubt everything, and that is a curse. I hope you're right, but I live with the fact that I may never know. And if I did see some of the things you say you've seen, the first thing I would do is doubt my own sanity, because the person I trust least is myself.

And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass.
How so exactly? The only negative I've given you is to point out that you would deny the same benefit of the doubt to someone else. You called the article "trash". How do you know he's not telling the truth, or at least making the right guess? I compared your claims to his. I don't know whether either one is true or false, but you claim outright that his claim is false. So by your own standard you need to prove that, or else you appear to be all the things you've just called me.

I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.
I'm not afraid of you at all. In fact I'm hoping you're right. I just want to see it. Hate you? I've already said that's not true. I don't know you, I don't fear you, I don't hate you.

Here's an interesting comparison. A couple of years ago I was playing a game with a group of friends, an airwar game played with model airplanes at a local hobby shop. One of them insisted that he would only play a certain period, and told us to call him when we were ready to play in that period. I told him I felt like he was forcing us to do what he wanted. The next thing I knew he was emailing me several times a day telling me what a jerk I was for trying to force him into my mold. I told him it was only my personal feeling, and I could be wrong. It was just the way I felt. His reply was that I was trying to make him into the bad guy, and it was me who needed help not him. I tried to apologize and explained that my feelings were my own and he could be right, and they were only my feelings. His reply to that was to tell me the conversation was over, and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Do you see the pattern here? I've never called you a liar, and I've never said that you didn't see what you say you saw. I did question your honesty in one point, and one point only - that of calling someone else's claim "trash". In all of your ranting and accusations concerning my motives, the one thing you haven't done is address what I actually said. So insisting that it's not you, it's me, is just a little hollow, at least from my point of view.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.
I do feel bad for the situation you live in, and I don't dismiss that at all. As I said, if I can help in any way I would, and I will.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.
Exactly what have I done to deserve that? You call me names, and I've never done that to you. Do you want an apology? For what? You say it's not you, it's me, but I've tried to have a civil discussion and you've replied with name-calling and accusations, which I've consistently denied. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror instead of blaming me.

But you're done with me, so anything I say will fall on deaf ears, because you're already convinced I hate you and fear you. Your loss, not mine. And I say that because I'd be more than glad to talk to you about anything, and try to reach some common ground. It's easy to call somebody shallow, or small, but I'll always keep the door open to anyone, and not dismiss them easily.

[Castout]

On why I write those
No no you're mistaken. I'm writing all those NOT so that those who read would believe me. I've told you why: They are statements.(This is the internet and I'm sure even my posts here are monitored by the not so lovely Singapore regime as with my blog-I had Singapore police IP address registered as viewers of my blog)

I'm fully aware that what I wrote might be used by my enemies to say that I am crazy but let me take that risk for a chance to humble their ways. Too many are convinced the only way is by being like them.

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

On the other hand by ordinary people standard yes I'm absolutely crazy with the things I suggest through those writings. I'm suggesting a living God who can show Himself(albeit indirectly / merely seeing the glory of His light that surrounded Him) . I'm suggesting that there are spirits and people can see them because they can be registered in the mind. Thus I'm suggesting it may be possible to see better without our physical eyes. I'm suggesting God can answer prayer in an instant even if you asked outrageous thing such as your own earthquake. I'm suggesting we are all connected somehow and no consciousness stands alone even between man-animal and man-spirits(invisible beings) aside from between man-man. Thus I'm suggesting it is possible to literally feel what other people are feeling as if we were them and even to know their chain of thoughts, irregardless of distance or even time. I'm suggesting it is even possible to be aware of such connection with not just individuals but with a whole millions of people.

I'm thus suggesting there's A LOT that mankind hasn't uncovered.
Thus I'm crazy enough to have the audacity to bring these experiences as statements and risk being labeled a mad man. I do not care. If I wanted to lie I'd settle with believable lies.

On scripture
Exactly a person started without knowing whether the scripture is true. But I've found that the scripture is a living word of God. Those written in it have powers that hold true even today. To know that the scripture is true, is by knowing God on the personal level, however little. But no one can come to God. God come to whoever He wishes. This leaves even the majority of believers to hang on with just faith. But what men call just faith somehow may be held more valuable to God than men can imagine. But I believe when man try to come to God genuinely God will come to him...in time. Thus I'm suggesting most people are not really true when approaching God or haven't seek enough. Many people think God is only present in their worship places, thus they watch their manners in it but soon forgets about God as soon as they leave the place. They think God only listen or watch when they pray to God, not realizing everything is listened to, felt to, watched over and known to every moment of our life even when we dream. God knows each one of us better than we know ourselves. But this is a realization that must be made on the personal level and when realized it is actually both terrifying and shaming to us. That God is the more intimate than us knowing ourselves. And I say this when I have known that certain people with skills like those described in remote viewing can know another person more intimate than other people. But this is still no where close to God.

On calling the video trash
I have strong reasons that are my own experience to be dare to write those outrageous things I wrote. And those experiences are not bogus because they do have implications and can be used. Anything unreal cannot be used because anything unreal has no value because they are not even real.
I believe in common sense and though what I wrote may seem strange they are still sensible once you accept that God is really there and know what kind of God that He.

Now that common sense, dictates to me that the clip is trash. I've seen the Lord God but I haven't seen alien or any green man. I have known the truth in quite some of the verses in the scripture, personally, and that scripture is also telling me no one would know the end. Thus I take that as assurance that 2012 is bogus. I don't mean there is no possibility of another off world sentient being but until I'm certain I take no statement as true. Maybe I'm in my way to find out. Maybe not. I'm not really seeking to find out whether alien is true. But I'm sure 2012 is not. That is until common sense dictates otherwise. Same with God if common sense dictates that those experiences were bogus I will change my mind. Heck I do not even care if tomorrow everybody believes they are duck. I'm staying mankind. But if tomorrow, my common sense dictates I am a duck then I will be a duck hell care, I know not.

[Tribesman]

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

They could and they do.

But I've found that the scripture is a living word of God.
As was already asked...which version?

[Skybird]

Believing is not knowing.

What one believs to know, but has no hard fact for to prove it, in the end is just belief.

Believe what you want, Castout. What people annoys is that in many threats now you make more of it than what it is, and accuse others of what you are guilty of yourself. We psychologists call that a "projection".

Believe what you want, but if you say you know that something is a fact, you need to deliver evidence. Not hear-say. Not just man-written old old scripture. Not rumours, and reports of your brain fireworks going of. Evidence.

Psychiatries are full of people who say exactly the same things like you. If evidence to prove the claimed truth is not needed, then one starts to wonder why one considers them to be ill?

On the inner contradictions of Christian belief in a deity, I do not even start this time. The dance had been done often enough.

Again, believe what you want, may it be God or the man in the moon or flying spaghetti monsters or whatever. But stop telling the world that what you believe equals knowledge. That is an offence to every thinking man's mind, and that is what raises other people's anger.

Believing something - is not knowing. Just an unproven, unchecked assumption that something is like one believes it is.

On a personal sidenote, I do not believe in your claims for one reason. Having done meditation for over half my life now, having had two good mentors and having taught meditation for several years now, I learned one thing - the more people truly understand about the nature of their mind, the less eager they behave to become noisy and rich in words about it. That is an empirical finding from my own observation. Whatever it is that characterises an experience of enlightenment, it is nothing that can be caught in words or conceptions - in this advise, the mystics of all times and of all cultures, from Hinduism and Buddhism over Sufism to Christian mystics and Kabbala, are united. The mere repetitiveness of your claims that you "know" about God, is a strong hint that you know nothing but just want to draw attention. It is not God you speak about, it is your ego, cleverly cloaked in missionary shine and pretended modesty that indeed at times revealed itself as haughtiness on some occasions.

Small doubt - small awakening. Big doubt - big awakening.

No doubt - no awakening.

[Betonov]

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

I can and I do :doh::88):O:

[Dowly]

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

Now that's just not true.

[Castout]

@Sailor Steve thank you for your kind words about helping me if you could. I'm pretty okay at the moment. I'm not hoping for help from any individual actually.

In my moments of need God so far has been good to me. In 2002 I should have bought an air ticket and went back home after God warned me about people wanting to kill me. But if I did that, it would probably just prolong the ordeal since I got to go back to that state again and would convince more people I was nuts. I had to face it.

A few years ago as I was walking on the sidewalk on my way to an eatery, God made me feel the heart of a murderer. He was addicted to murdering. He was a Chinese young man with a well built upper body. I don't know why but I felt his intention and knew that he was a murderer. I swear I'm not making this up but anyway as soon as I felt him I turned around to look at him and he then quickly changed his direction to go into an eatery.

I have NO DOUBT the man was an assassin BUT I'm not sure whether he really wanted to kill me or just wanted to frighten me BUT one cannot fake intention. His was to kill. If I had more courage I'd point my finger at him and call him murderer again and again and again and again for the many lives he has taken away. Killing now I realize could be very addictive to some people. Almost like craving. Quite sickening.

Maybe someday I'll be killed, maybe not either case I have some life.

Now that's just not true.

:D. Okay I'm completely MAD.

[Dowly]

:D. Okay I'm completely MAD.

Not saying you are, just that your statement wasn't entirely accurate. ;)

[Olsin]

Olsin slowly shakes his head while softly scratching his temple with his right forefinger .. Looking down at the keyboard his early morning, coffee deprived brain struggles to find the correct formulation for what should hopefully be a neutrally charged hypothesis based on his own beliefs concerning aliens, the goverment, god and the devil..
Re-reading the bulk of this thread doesn't help .. Olsin feels that it doesn't really matter what he says, he's going to offend someone .. especially the more god fearing citizens out there.
Opening a fresh packet of cigarettes Olsin pulls one free and reaches for his lighter. He stares blankly at a discriminate spot on the far wall as he ignites his cigarette and draws deeply.

The old saying "incredible claims demand incredible proof" springs to his mind yet .. yeh .. "hasn't that ground already been covered" he thinks to himself.
Realising a dead horse can't be flogged Olsin leans back in his chair and lets his legs rest up on the edge of a nearby table while letting his mind mull over a line he read earlier on concerning human psychology .. "absolutely!" he says to himself "theres so much we don't know about human psychology yet that it's dissapointing to hear opinions worded as fact, belief as gospel and truth as static .. we are indeed our own worst enemies!"
Olsin lets his earlier thoughts of a comment to this thread drift away .. Planting his feet firmly back on the floor Olsin reaches for the mouse and casually clicks the back button .............

[mapuc]

Ohh by the way-if you have seen thise videos, you would have notice that they/he say, that 21/12-2012 is the day when the earth have cleaned it self and 22/12-2012 is the first day in a new era. If not 21/12-2012, when is then suppose to happen? In some of those videos they say it should start in this autumn.

they are talking about two object:

1. Elenin-was- as told befor in this thread-starting to fall apart-
(according to video number 60, it was the Kurilians who had fired upon it)

2. Brown Dwarf-this is a little solarsystem that is gonna pass us in this autumn. Given it's speed the habitant of the earth will live in total darkness for three days(the dwarf should be a little bigger than the earth) This comet/planet(a.k.a Nibiru) is so metallic that everyone that's outside during the passage. will get their brain toasted(=zombie)

They say that this dwarf should come from the sun and it should come from an angle of 33 degres(do not know what that means) and we should spot it somewhere in sep-oct.


So it's up to everyone if he or she believe all this or is this Captain Bill really having this "Meeting" or it's just some that's coming from a person that's suffering from some case of paranoia or something like that.

I read/listen to it, as it was a sci-fi novel(not so god)

AND I have seen those videos with an openminded attitude.

Markus

[Flaxpants]

What I find quite remarkable about the belief in all these claims of there being another planet 'Nibiru', is the fact that very few (if any) of these claims come from respected astronomers, who after all are watching the heavens constantly. If there was such a planet they surely would have spotted it years ago.

The same can be said for most alleged UFO sightings, why is it not the astronomers who see these mostly? After all, they have the equipment and spend most of their time looking upwards.....

[Sailor Steve]

@Sailor Steve thank you for your kind words about helping me if you could. I'm pretty okay at the moment. I'm not hoping for help from any individual actually.
Glad to hear it.

:D. Okay I'm completely MAD.
I'm not saying you are or you aren't. I would have no way of knowing that. But what I've come to realize is that I also have no way of knowing for certain whether or not I'm sane. How would you tell? It has been my observation that the people who shout the loudest that they're not crazy are the ones I worry about the most, because they don't seem to be able to tell the difference. And they're the ones most likely to turn violent if you question their sanity. Again, we haven't met, so I'm not even trying to say you are one of those. But if you don't question your own feelings and actions, who will?

Looking back over my own life I've become convinced that a lot of the problems I had when I was younger were indeed my own doing, and I'm not sure I'm over them even today. I keep a pretty tight reign on myself just because I'm aware of the possibility of doing something I'll regret later. I am partly loopy, but I know it and that helps keep me harmless.

So when someone insists that they're right about anything they think they "know", my first response is always to ask "Are you sure?" Because I'm not sure about anything, and I wonder if anyone else really is.

[Skybird]

The same can be said for most alleged UFO sightings, why is it not the astronomers who see these mostly? After all, they have the equipment and spend most of their time looking upwards.....
After all it has often been well-trained professional personell confirming such sightings: airliner pilots, military pilots, radar operators and traffic operators... The chance to catch a fast movin object in the atmosphere with an astronomic telescope of big size, is almost nil. The focus set for the distant stars could prevent an object close by to even be visible (if you have a refractor objective for your SLR camera, try it), and the telescope covers just a microscopi ammount of all visible sky above you.

[Torplexed]

What I find quite remarkable about the belief in all these claims of there being another planet 'Nibiru', is the fact that very few (if any) of these claims come from respected astronomers, who after all are watching the heavens constantly. If there was such a planet they surely would have spotted it years ago.

The conspiracy theorists who believe this drivel would tell you that the astronomers, being in the pay of NASA or some state funded university are government employees paid to keep their silence. Even overlooking that slipshod reasoning, what they seem to be oblivious of is the thousands of amateur astronomers out there of every nationality with excellent instruments. They are the ones who actually discover and catalog the vast majority of new objects in the solar system such as comets and asteroids. They're beholden to no one and they've seen no Nibiru.

Frankly, when you tell one of these idiots that you could Nibiru through a pair of decent binoculars if you knew where to look they beg off and make excuses. Apparently getting out from behind a computer and actually investigating for themselves is too much work. Much more fun to stay on the internet and mince on about scientific conspiracy.