Asterisk swearing

[Rockstar]

From the rules section

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acceptable language & graphics, topic spamming
Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

This also includes fully asterisked out words as I do not know if you did it, or the forum filter did.

You know I can fully comprehend and understand the forum rules governing the use of asterisks in certain words. Many times a well placed asterisk leaves nothing to the readers imagination as to the true spelling and meaning of the word. But there appears to be something new to the forum rules here. Forgive me for inquiring but I have to ask. What is a 'fully asterisked out word'? Are you saying that if I type as an exclamation ******* or @#&^%# I will recieve an infraction for being vulgar and offensive?

Many times a conversation needs some kind of addtional exclamation to drive home a point. These types of non words leave everything to the imagination of the reader since 'fully asterisked out words' are not words nor do they have any specific meaning.

just wondering

[MH]

I thought you can use any world as long as it *****-ed.
Its like sort of US TV where they can show someone "beep" every second world and blur his mouth.
You know what he says (unless very creative)but cant hear that-WOW.
Just local culture lol.

[Dowly]

I only want to ask one thing: What exactly is the purpose of the profanity filter,
if it is not there to filter out the bad words?

The rules quite obviously state that you are not to circumvent the filter by
using asterisk (f.e. b*obs). Nothing says one can't say **** and it doesn't
need to say, as such word is automatically censored. What the reader makes
the 4*'s to mean, is up to him/her.

[kiwi_2005]

Im guilty of the asterick method I thought if I type the astericks instead of the word I'm cleared from any swearing cause I didn't actually swear just pretended too but at the time I really wanted too. :rotfl2:

[nikimcbee]

But saying smurf os okay then?

I smurfing love spam!

[FIREWALL]

I guess Neal feels this isn't TV. Nothing against you MH or Rockstar and not trying to be funny.

I also guess Neal feels, Give an inch and, many miles will be taken.

And I'm not going to second guess Neal. No pun intended. :nope:

I hope all take it seriously and hope some Vacations don't start unexpectedly. :yep:

Sadly we have some here that have to be hit over the head and\or have Extended Leave. It will happen but,

Hope Not.

[MH]

I guess Neal feels this isn't TV. Nothing against you MH or Rockstar and not trying to be funny.

I also guess Neal feels, Give an inch and, many miles will be taken.

And I'm not going to second guess Neal. No pun intended. :nope:

I hope all take it seriously and hope some Vacations don't start unexpectedly. :yep:

Sadly we have some here that have to be hit over the head and\or have Extended Leave. It will happen but,

Hope Not.

No big deal.
I assume that it is to prevent this forum from turning into swear world mayhem.
Still posting some funny picture should not be big deal.

Don't be such a nazis:D

[the_tyrant]

you know, on most forums I'm known as *****
if you look at the credits for Chinese KDE you used to find *****

I go by that as it makes me un-googleable

[Stealhead]

On a side but related topic what about certain links. A few weeks ago there was a thread where people where showing links to vids and if they did have anything language or "some might not want to see this" subject matter they gave a warning.What is the rule on this then?Is that a no go or so long as one posts a clear warning before a link is it allowed?

I am just wondering because that can cover alot of things for example what if someone posts a topic about WWII and they link to a video that shows dead bodies or gore?

Obviously I have always assumed that linking to pornographic materiel is not allowed.

[Rockstar]

Well as I mentioned above the written forum rules make sense and frankly should be abided by. But 'fully asterisked words' are not a forum rule and they aren't even words. So I was wondering how that applied to us is all.

It's his forum, his rules. I am also fully aware freedom of speech does NOT apply here as protestors can leave and go somewhere else if they don't like it. But asterisks? Sounds like the thought police are concerning themselves with my imagination which can be at times very far from reality. :)

[FIREWALL]

I always saw they gave a warning first.

I'm Guilty of Asterix and Substituting letters in words. Who just about isn't. :yep:

[Stealhead]

OK I guess it is pretty clear on my question. I think some of the asterisk thing boils down to people perhaps only having read the rules once or twice when they joined(if they did then).All though I am sure some do blatantly violate the rules. I did not really think of the swear words rule until Sailor Steve reminded me the other day after I posted ver batium what the folks that live near me holler out when they get drunk and shoot their guns.

[Rockstar]

I always saw they gave a warning first.

I'm Guilty of Asterix and Substituting letters in words. Who just about isn't. :yep:


Yes and I have been too. But it is the substituting of letters with asterisks in certain words thats a problem. Doing it in such a way that leaves nothing to the imagination as to what it is and means. And I believe the forum rules address that.

I was just wonder what 'fully asterisked word' is? And why it would be considered vulgar and offensive?

[Feuer Frei!]

**** could mean lots of things. That to me is not profanity, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination, how and IF they want to use that 'mysterious, oh my, what word could it be' in the context of the sentence.
I'm not arguing with the rules or regulations, they are there for a reason, I totally understand that.
I guess where the mods and Neal is coming from is from a contextual point of view.

[Rockstar]

So if I type Nikimcbee likes ******** Smurfette. Those same asterisks I just used in a family fun kind of way could be considered offensive if I used them when talking of Dowly and his ferret?

[Stealhead]

Well Neal is the big boss so if he says he does not like it then that means you cant use them.I am sure they are meaning when obvious is obvious not when you are using an asterisk to make a post like a news flash thing like bullet points before the words or something of that nature.

In other words:
*******Rebels in Libya discover MC Hammer******

TEXT TEXT TEXT TEXT

[Feuer Frei!]

when talking of Dowly and his ferret?
Yea well, that will get you an infraction. Profanity right there imo. :O::haha:

[Reece]

The whole idea is an over reaction imo! however in this forum they can dictate any law they like, if it is fully ****** then I fail to see the sense in it at all, what if I use ###### is that supposedly better!:hmmm:

[razark]

I think it boils down to two things:
A. Follow the rules.
and
2. Use your common sense.

I like this forum. It's one of the few I've seen that allows discussion of certain topics (such as politics and religion, but those can get a bit heated) that hasn't fallen into complete worthlessness and idiocy. I think that says a lot about our host, our moderators, and the community here.

[Stealhead]

I am not worried about this really I think they just dont want people using asterisks or @#$%^ comic things in place of language because some members have not been following this rule.This is not going to have any effect on this site they will still have a very open topic policy you can still have a deep or heated discussion without those things.

[Sailor Steve]

Actually that problem has come up with the moderators before. I was told a long time ago that fully asterisked words were indeed alright, but as soon as you combine it with anything else, such as "ing" it crosses the line. As I understand it cartoon swearing, *#&@^)*** is fully alright, as it's meant to be funny. The problem mainly is with words with just one vowel blanked out. It's just as bad as writing the full word with the letters separated by dashes.

Some don't understand why it's a problem at all. I, on the other hand, don't understand the need for swearing at all. Sure, it helps when I hit my thumb with a hammer, but the casual swearing that goes on today becomes meaningless. What's the point? When I was in the navy we swore, well, like sailors. But never in public and especially not in front of women and children. Today every high-school girl thinks nothing of using language would "make a sailor blush". I should know, and I guess I'm old and out of touch.

The bottom line is that it's Neal's forum and Neal's rules. Some clarification might help, but why push it at all? You can say "It's just words, what's the problem", and I can say "If it's just words, why insist on them?" They don't add to the conversation, and they don't help.

[Rockstar]

http://us.cdn4.123rf.com/168nwm/dejanj01/dejanj010905/dejanj01090500014/4836618-attracted-smiley-ball-with-flowers.jpg

***'** ** **** Sailor Steve

translation 'you're my hero...'

;)

[NeonSamurai]

If you wish to use cartoon style swearing %@#$%#$^&, knock yourself out as it is meaningless. However do not try stuff like F&$@ING or the like.

Now as for the swear filter, yes we have one, it's purpose is more to prevent swears from showing up on the forum as swears. But, you are not supposed to be swearing to begin with, hence why I view fully ******* words as being swears.

Again use common sense. I am not here to issue infractions (it is not something I especially enjoy), but it is my job to uphold the rules of the forum, regardless of any personal feelings I may or may not have.

So simply put if the placement of the **** could be read as being a swear, you will get an infraction (a 3 point infraction to be specific, which expires in 10 days.)

[Reece]

So simply put if the placement of the **** could be read as being a swear, you will get an infraction (a 3 point infraction to be specific, which expires in 10 days.)
Wow! talk about strict!:o even police sometimes give warnings, I will use #### from now on!:O:

[Tribesman]

Is there any chance of a list of words that cause the automatic asterix? some everyday words do become ******* just because of some letters in the word itself.
On another angle with asterix use, if I was to become one of the loony types of fundamentalist who write "g*d" as writing the full word is going to get me struck by lightning and cast into the pits of h*ll to be prodded by a demon with a pitchf**k for all enternity, would that be an infractionable use of asterix?
It may seem like extracting the urine but the truth of it is that a person who writes g*d would probably find it offensive and vulgar for people to write "god".

[Rilder]

My favorite quote from that rule is.

Please use language that you would use around your mother.Which is funny because I don't hold back swear words around my parents. So is this rule telling me to use curse words all the $@#%$!@ time on these forums?:rotfl2:

[Feuer Frei!]

Is there any chance of a list of words that cause the automatic asterix? some everyday words do become ******* just because of some letters in the word itself.
On another angle with asterix use, if I was to become one of the loony types of fundamentalist who write "g*d" as writing the full word is going to get me struck by lightning and cast into the pits of h*ll to be prodded by a demon with a pitchf**k for all enternity, would that be an infractionable use of asterix?
It may seem like extracting the urine but the truth of it is that a person who writes g*d would probably find it offensive and vulgar for people to write "god".
Go for it Tribesman, I dare you! :O:


Which is funny because I don't hold back swear words around my parents. So is this rule telling me to use curse words all the $@#%$!@ time on these forums?:rotfl2:
Try it out, see what happens! :yeah:
You, along with Tribesman can be our Guinea Pigs.

[Betonov]

I didn't know Asteriks swore. I read all the comics and never saw him say a dirty word :hmmm:

[Hottentot]

Eh, fine by me. I don't consider any English word swearing anyway, so "freaking" is to me all the same as the supposedly stronger alternative. Or better actually, as "freaking" sounds humorous and the alternative reminds me of insecure teens who haven't ever even seen it without the ".jpg" ending.

[Tribesman]

I didn't know Asteriks swore
What about the one with the Egyptian?

[Betonov]

What about the one with the Egyptian?

I don't recall that one. Probibly because I don't read hieroglyphics.
Can we use bad words on the forum if we write them in hieroglyphics :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Can we use bad words on the forum if we write them in hieroglyphics :hmmm:

:hmmm:

Betonov is such a http://hieroglyphs.net/0301/images/d/113.gif

[Betonov]

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Oh, wait, I can't read hieroglyphics :O: What was that you just said ???

[Dowly]

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Oh, wait, I can't read hieroglyphics :O: What was that you just said ???

Err... that you are a donkey. :oops:

EDIT: http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_symbols/egyptian_hieroglyphics_08.jpghttp://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_symbols/egyptian_hieroglyphics_16.jpghttp://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_symbols/egyptian_hieroglyphics_04.jpghttp://www.uponreflection.co.uk/hieroglyphics/hieroglyphic_symbols/egyptian_hieroglyphics_04.jpg

Take that you stupid filter!

[Betonov]

Taking into account the last few days at work I believe you are correct :oops:

[Tribesman]

Err... that you are a donkey.
But do you mean he is an ass, hung like a donkey or one of those weenie democrats?:03:

[Betonov]

Taking into account the fallic symbols in front of the donkey I believe he ment:

But do you mean he is an ass, hung like a donkey or one of those weenie democrats?:03:

Dowly, I'm flattered but alas my preferences are with redhaired women :O:

[Tribesman]

Taking into account the fallic symbols in front of the donkey I believe he ment:

Maybe he meant you display your phallus to a donkey, he called you a equine bestialologist.


Its just so confusing when words ain't used eh, ban hieroglyphs:03:

[Dowly]

Maybe he meant you display your phallus to a donkey, he called you a equine bestialologist.

LMAO :rotfl2:

[TarJak]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7Pp_l52aon8/Tbnh70Xq0iI/AAAAAAAAAbs/pWvrnxK19NU/s1600/Asterix+the+Legionary+%2528another+good+bit%2529.j pg

[Alex]

1. Since that rude and impolite way of speaking is the natural one of those of us who're not blue-blooded aristocrats, and 2. since the asterisked way of speaking is the one of those who show they've got some education not to display their anger publicly, wishing to keep up appearances on the internet - ROFL - (the internet being what it is, I don't need to use asterisks there : everyone knows what I mean) just shows how much some people can be into fighting for lost causes.

I don't mean you're wrong. It's just not even worth trying. But well, you're the boss in here. Proceed as if thou hadst the power to make a delicate and gracious person out of all peasants. :D

[NeonSamurai]

Wow! talk about strict!:o even police sometimes give warnings, I will use #### from now on!:O:

I have been giving out warnings for the past two weeks on this, and some of our other mods have been giving out several informal warnings (PMs). Again it is happening because I am seeing far to much of this. Once things calm down again and I am not seeing very many, I will probably go back to issuing warnings and remove the sticky. Just for some reason lately we have been dealing with a heck of a lot of them.

Is there any chance of a list of words that cause the automatic asterix? some everyday words do become ******* just because of some letters in the word itself.
On another angle with asterix use, if I was to become one of the loony types of fundamentalist who write "g*d" as writing the full word is going to get me struck by lightning and cast into the pits of h*ll to be prodded by a demon with a pitchf**k for all enternity, would that be an infractionable use of asterix?
It may seem like extracting the urine but the truth of it is that a person who writes g*d would probably find it offensive and vulgar for people to write "god".

Again I will use reasonable judgment. If I can't turn the asterisks into a swear word I will not infract. So g*d is perfectly acceptable as is h*ll. I would be careful with pitchf**k as I can insert a swear there (though it doesn't make a whole lot of sense so I probably wouldn't infract). I also will read the **** in the context of the sentence to see if it makes sense as being a swear or not.

Generally speaking the filter filters out swear words only, but it sometimes can screw up. Reading your own post after posting is one way to deal with it if you are concerned.

Again I have no especial desire to give out infractions, so if it is questionable I will probably not give you an infraction. I am also willing to debate to a limited extent an infraction issued, and can nullify it. I also really do not have much in the way of power here, nor am I an aristocrat. I simply enforce the rules Neal set out. Can I temp ban people? Sure, but only if they did something that deserves a temp ban, otherwise I would get into trouble for it. Ask any moderator at Subsim if they think they have power, and they will all tell you they don't. In fact as moderators we have to behave ourselves far more than any regular member as we are an example. So not only do we really have no power, we also have much more limited freedom in what we post.

[Rockstar]

For all you http://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_14.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_02.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_24.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/space.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_06.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_10.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_23.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_06.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_06.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_19.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_05.gifhttp://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content/plugins/rtranslator/images/1_16.gif out there there's also a rune converter. http://www.vikingrune.com/rune-converter/?r_sentence=pud+knockers&r_alpha=1&submit=Convert

But I don't think it can convert rune back to english

[jumpy]

get a copy of 'The Hobbit' and you can work out the olde english runes. They appear similar (from what I remember of reading/writing them) to the anglo saxon runes on that transposer. With one or two exceptions for certain letters/sounds: X, I & U used for J & V, CW for Q and some single runes for double letters like th, ng, ee, ea, st...

EDIT:
of course that was all a long time ago :O:

Why don't we just use the enigma machine sim? then rogue skippers can communicate without bdu rapping any knuckles? lol

[Hottentot]

Gah, now you made me do it again! I learned both Futharks a while back during a course on medieval history and its research methods and got a new hobby with translating these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U_240,_Lingsberg.JPG).

You silly donkey farmers! Now I can't sleep for weeks!

[MH]

1. Since that rude and impolite way of speaking is the natural one of those of us who're not blue-blooded aristocrats, and 2. since the asterisked way of speaking is the one of those who show they've got some education not to display their anger publicly, wishing to keep up appearances on the internet - ROFL - (the internet being what it is, I don't need to use asterisks there : everyone knows what I mean) just shows how much some people can be into fighting for lost causes.

I don't mean you're wrong. It's just not even worth trying. But well, you're the boss in here. Proceed as if thou hadst the power to make a delicate and gracious person out of all peasants. :D
Are You smurf too?
Eating movies..no good.

[Jimbuna]

Can't really add much to what Neon has posted @ #42 other than....if your not sure, don't do it.

Neal, SubSim and this community of ours deserves nothing less.

[Molon Labe]

Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.


This also includes fully asterisked out words as I do not know if you did it, or the forum filter did.

You know, after 4 pages on this topic it still appears that the original question hasn't been answered.

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule, or, has Neal empowered his Moderators to add new forum rules?

[frau kaleun]

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago. :hmmm:

[Molon Labe]

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago. :hmmm:

Well, it isn't on the Rules page right now. So by "added" I just meant that it exists by Neal's authority, even if it hasn't been physically added to the rules page yet.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, it isn't on the Rules page right now. So by "added" I just meant that it exists by Neal's authority, even if it hasn't been physically added to the rules page yet.
The answer is no. Reread my post regarding a moderators' discussion of that, and reread Neon's post. It's on a case-by-case basis, and the biggest problem isn't with random asteriscks, but when it's absolutely obvious what was meant. Comic swearing is an iffy problem as well, if for no other reason than that I've gotten away with it myself. I don't do it anymore, but some of the keys are fun to play with. Even then, when it's blatantly obvious it's a problem.

As for Neal's authority, he's a pretty easy-going guy. If you cross a line you will ususally be warned first, especially if it's not a clear violation.

[FIREWALL]

Why is anyone bringing their Anger to this Website.

Neal didn't create this site as an Anger Management Website.

Maybe he should create yet another Forum that will clog up his Bandwidth for all to Vent into. :-?

Edit: 8-26-2011 Anger as a reason was posted by more than one of the posters.

[FIREWALL]

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago. :hmmm:

They were their when I joined in "2006" Believe it or not All I, actually read the rules and, even broke 1 or 2 of them or 3, 4+ :DL and was handled appropriately per incident.

I was in the wrong btw. :yep: Simple rules to understand and follow. .:up: Neal.

[Rilder]

Why in anyone bringing their Anger to this Website.

Neal didn't create this site as an Anger Management Website.

Maybe he should create yet another Forum that will clog up his Bandwidth for all to Vent into. :-?

Well honestly, swear words have never been "Anger Centric" for me, I just say them, they are just words after all, and in person if people have a problem with me using them then they can Bugger off.

[NeonSamurai]

You know, after 4 pages on this topic it still appears that the original question hasn't been answered.

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule, or, has Neal empowered his Moderators to add new forum rules?

It falls under obscenities and foul speech part of the rules, which I already answered. People are not supposed to be using foul speech to begin with, even though we do have a filter. The filter is just a safe guard so that people don't have to read a long swear filled spew by some angry person, not a crutch to keep your written text clean. As I cannot tell if the filter did the ******** or you did it yourself, I have to treat both the same. This is how I interpret the rules, if Neal disagrees with my interpretation I am sure he will let me know.


Also FYI it would take 5 bad language infractions (unless they were extreme) in 10 days to earn a time out in the brig, and I am not waiting in the shadows rubbing my hands eagerly for the next person to pounce on. I am actually far happier when I do not have to do anything as a moderator. So I would not get too worried about this.

[Molon Labe]

Actually that problem has come up with the moderators before. I was told a long time ago that fully asterisked words were indeed alright, but as soon as you combine it with anything else, such as "ing" it crosses the line. As I understand it cartoon swearing, *#&@^)*** is fully alright, as it's meant to be funny.

I apologize for missing this post, Steve. I appreciate the clarification.

As I cannot tell if the filter did the ******** or you did it yourself, I have to treat both the same. This is how I interpret the rules, if Neal disagrees with my interpretation I am sure he will let me know.


So, taking Steve's and Neon's posts here into consideration, along with the forum rules as they are posted, it would appear that the current state of things is as follows:

1. Moderators are not authorized to create new forum rules.
2. Fully astericked "swears" are permissible, unless the word that the astericks apparently masked is obvious. This is apparently Neal's rule but has accidentally been omitted from the official Forum Rules page.
3. Neon Samurai will issue infractions for asterisk chains, regardless of whether the asterisk chain is permissible under the rules.
4. Neon Samurai will cease to issue infractions for permissible asterisk chains if asked to by Neal.

Is that accurate?

[Penguin]

Guys, we shouldn't play dumber than we are, the rules are not written in Marsian - or is this Marsianic? Not too complicated. Anyway, I don't endorse them, but I try to see it as if I am a guest in Neal's house.

Personally I have no problem with swearing, as I use swear words in my every conversation, often subconscious, as I see nothing bad about it. I mostly write here as I speak. So (bed-)sheet happenz :smug:, but at least I try to think about the language, just as I do when I visit friends with young kids - those bastards pick up new words so easy! :O:

I think it's a cultural thing, as someone pointed out before. An American relative once complained about me using the f-word in every second sentence. He is not a nun, but he said when I talk like this, Americans regard it as primitive and uneducated. Well, that's what I am - but I got the point :D.

[Molon Labe]

Guys, we shouldn't play dumber than we are, the rules are not written in Marsian - or is this Marsianic? Not too complicated. Anyway, I don't endorse them, but I try to see it as if I am a guest in Neal's house.
No one is playing dumb here. Neon issued a warning that exceeds the scope of the forum rules. This has quite reasonably caused some confusion as to what the forum rules actually are. We're all in agreement that we should behave in Neal's house, that isn't the issue.

[FIREWALL]

This is there now "Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

And it was there when I joined in "2006"

[Penguin]

No one is playing dumb here. Neon issued a warning that exceeds the scope of the forum rules. This has quite reasonably caused some confusion as to what the forum rules actually are. We're all in agreement that we should behave in Neal's house, that isn't the issue.

Check out the time of my last post, I can't type that fast. It was not directed at you specifically, but at everybody.

"No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language" looks crystal clear to me.
If the filter is programmed to "asterisk out" some of these words, then then I can't see much substance in your point #2.

****, into what position did you bring me? :88) Here I am, defending rules that I do not appreciate...

[Molon Labe]

This is there now "Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

And it was there when I joined in "2006"
At issue is not "*******ing w*rds with aster*cks", but asterisk chains. Please refer to the original post of this thread.

@Penguin: Sorry, didn't see the timestamp on that. =)

[Penguin]

no smurfing problem! :salute:

[Penguin]

To bring a little lighter note into this thread:
Check out, how the guys from "Flight Of The Conchords" manage to sing with asterisks to avoid the infamous bleeping out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqxnm6t3QMw :D

I hope posting the link is OK, to be sure:
Language Warning! Do not play when your parrot is nearby!

[Sailor Steve]

Well honestly, swear words have never been "Anger Centric" for me, I just say them, they are just words after all, and in person if people have a problem with me using them then they can Bugger off.
Great attitude. If they're "just words" then why do you feel a need to use them in the first place? Can't talk without them?

[Sailor Steve]

1. Moderators are not authorized to create new forum rules.
Absolutely correct.

2. Fully astericked "swears" are permissible, unless the word that the astericks apparently masked is obvious. This is apparently Neal's rule but has accidentally been omitted from the official Forum Rules page.
That sounds right, but be careful. This all started when a forum member told another member to perform an act on himself, and there was no possibility of mistaking the intent. That deserved an infraction.

3. Neon Samurai will issue infractions for asterisk chains, regardless of whether the asterisk chain is permissible under the rules.
No, he said that it would happen only if the meaning was unmistakeable. And unmistakeable chains such as the one I referred to are not permissible under the rules.

4. Neon Samurai will cease to issue infractions for permissible asterisk chains if asked to by Neal.
Of course. Though I can't actually speak for either of them personally, Neal is still the boss.

Don't forget, this is happening because a large number of members have of late been flagrantly violating that rule, and there is no question about that.

[CaptainMattJ.]

but certainly (not naming any names, but occasionally we all seem the need for ) we all use moderate language in our posts from time to time. certainly not on the harsh scale, but certainly considered foul by the....higher...members of our society
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Personally i have no problem with swearing, as long as its taken in moderation (i.e Drunken sailors need not apply), and not directed maliciously towards other people (at least, not on this forum :03:)

[Sailor Steve]

but certainly (not naming any names, but occasionally we all seem the need for ) we all use moderate language in our posts from time to time. certainly not on the harsh scale, but certainly considered foul by the....higher...members of our society.
Language does indeed change. Way back in the early '60s I saw Bob Hope on some awards show, and he said something to the effect of "The network censors said I have to tell you I arrived by hecticopter." That said, what constitutes swearing? References to places of eternal condemnation are considered acceptably by most of society these days, but are still offensive to those who believe in those places. Mostly today we're concerned with body parts and functions. Here in America we think nothing of saying "bugger", but I know a woman who got some strange looks when she used the term on a cruise ship. when she related the incident to me and I explained what it meant to the British, she became extremely red in the face.

Personally i have no problem with swearing, as long as its taken in moderation (i.e Drunken sailors need not apply), and not directed maliciously towards other people (at least, not on this forum :03:)
Or towards anyone, including game companies you don't like. This also came up recently. As for moderation, exactly how moderate is moderate?

The real question is not of rules, but of consideration. We do occasionally have extremely young members, and while they may have already been exposed to this type of thing, it's not our place to further their education in the dark side. It's not about PC, it's about courtesy. But the rules are there, and they will be enforced. If you have any more questions about them, take to heart what someone else just said in an earlier post: "If in doubt, don't do it."

[CaptainMattJ.]

I see how you can be skeptical and how you adhere to the rules.

But such extensive discussion is unnecessary. Neal, steve, and a number of others are really about to crack down whilst others seek to keep the feeling lax.

Alas, this isnt a democracy. But i hope it wont turn to a complete crackdown. I may be much more lax then the rules allow, but i try to explore my vocabulary for an equally powerful word to get the point across. But one wonders how neal and the others are going to define the line clearly. is it going to be a crackdown or is it going to close loopholes and specifically define whats allowed.

People's common sense differs. to ask them to use common sense is going to elicit different responses. and while it shouldnt be required, i think it might have to be done. To clearly define the line. Whats the limit?

[NeonSamurai]

At issue is not "*******ing w*rds with aster*cks", but asterisk chains. Please refer to the original post of this thread.

Listen you little ********, go **** yourself!

This would be an example of something I would issue an infraction on. Even though I have fully masked out the words (by hand), the meaning and words are still very obvious.

Another example would be

God damn ******* ubisoft!

As far as I am concerned those examples easily fall under the existing rules on obscenities, even if it is not spelled out in explicit detail in the rules (none of the rules are spelled out at that level).

Also all the rules are subject to interpretation by the moderators. They are not spelled out to cover all situations and possibilities, so we often have to interpret what we think is the spirit of the rules, and apply that. If we over reach though Neal does tell us so.

[Tribesman]

Another example would be
God damn ******* ubisoft!

But does that constitute smurfing or is it a valid comment?

[Sailor Steve]

Doesn't matter if it's valid or not.

[Tribesman]

Doesn't matter if it's valid or not.

Of course it does, if it isn't valid then it is just gratuitous which makes it worse.
For example I could say you are smurfing smurfed you smurfer you are talking absolute smurf so go smurfette yourself.
Or I could say that is one smurfy point of view you have.
On a scale of one to ten which statement should get a worse response from moderators in terms of blue language?

[Sailor Steve]

It still doesn't matter. It's the swearing that's not allowed, whether the comment is valid or not.

[Tribesman]

It still doesn't matter. It's the swearing that's not allowed, whether the comment is valid or not.
But what is swearing?
That "language in front of your mother" guideline doesn't work, you yourself alluded to "chopper" as somehow being vulgar and offensive.
Normal everyday language for one person may be absolute filth for another.
A good illustration would be the wifes grandmother who as I said before I have only heard use vulgar language about two individuals, she did seem rather put off when in town she heard two old ladies(her definition of old is those pesky little 60-70 year olds) using "coarse" language. But she then said those "swear" words clearly don't constitute swearing in the west of Ireland.

[Sailor Steve]

you yourself alluded to "chopper" as somehow being vulgar and offensive.
"Chopper?" When? What are you talking about?

Normal everyday language for one person may be absolute filth for another.
Now you're playing games, which is something you do a lot and enjoy too much. You know exactly what's expected. If you don't, why don't you just post what you like and see how well it works.

[HunterICX]

It's a simple request by site owner Neal Stevens to mind the language beeing used on this board

is that too much to ask?

HunterICX

[Tribesman]

"Chopper?" When? What are you talking about?

Oh dear.
penis censors helicopters, chopper did be a no no as its too phallic for the public.:yep:

Now you're playing games
What do you mean "now"?
I refer the honourable gentleman all the way back to the first post I made in this topic, it could be said that the whole topic has been a game of piss take since Mcbee brought in the blue language on the first page

[FIREWALL]

At issue is not "*******ing w*rds with aster*cks", but asterisk chains. Please refer to the original post of this thread.

@Penguin: Sorry, didn't see the timestamp on that. =)


Then why does it keep being brought up and posted ?

[Tribesman]

is that too much to ask?

It shouldn't be.
But on aserious note for a change, there are problems with perception of vulgarity between english/non english speakers and even more so with the different worldwide english speakers.
Several people have mentioned english words that one set of english speakers will take as very different in meaning than another set of english speakers. Even the English english speakers depending on their location on a small part of a small island have a very varied vocabulary when it comes to vulgarities.

It isn't that it is too much to ask, it is that it is quite hard to clearly define

[MH]

The asterisk issue is becoming very deep.

http://contentcafe2.btol.com/ContentCafe/Jacket.aspx?UserID=probook&Password=bt0186&Return=T&Type=M&Value=9781449303822&Options=Y

[FIREWALL]

Of course it does, if it isn't valid then it is just gratuitous which makes it worse.
For example I could say you are smurfing smurfed you smurfer you are talking absolute smurf so go smurfette yourself.
Or I could say that is one smurfy point of view you have.
On a scale of one to ten which statement should get a worse response from moderators in terms of blue language?

Wouldn't that smurf stuff just be another ANGLE to get around the swearing rule ?

[mookiemookie]

It's a simple request by site owner Neal Stevens to mind the language beeing used on this board

is that too much to ask?

HunterICX

Agreed. The whole nit picking and whining about this is dumb. Don't swear, don't come close to swearing, and don't use words or asterisks that obey the letter of the law but not the spirit of it. That's not asking a lot. Just shut up and do it.

[Jimbuna]

I'll simply repeat what I posted earlier "If your not sure, don't do it".

Any ambiguity will quckly be ironed out by the early responses of moderation.

[FIREWALL]

Well honestly, swear words have never been "Anger Centric" for me, I just say them, they are just words after all, and in person if people have a problem with me using them then they can Bugger off.


Noboby pointed you out anger specificaly. But a few posters have posted here it was the "why" for swearing.

So there is an Anger reason for a few posters here but, the Speed readers\skimmers and Speed Typists have blown buy and didn't see and didn't include it in their posting. Too Bad. :yep:

[FIREWALL]

Agreed. The whole nit picking and whining about this is dumb. Don't swear, don't come close to swearing, and don't use words or asterisks that obey the letter of the law but not the spirit of it. That's not asking a lot. Just shut up and do it.


:up: Mookie But that might be asking too much of a very few that want to find a way to skirt around or find an "angle" to break the simple rules.

I like that "The Spirit" :salute:

[NeonSamurai]

As for substitute words for swears, it really depends on how they are being used exactly. If they are being used to express yourself in an obviously lewd or obscene way then you will probably get an infraction.


Anyhow this is all very simple folks, express yourself in a way that you would to someone who you respect a lot and would not use bad words around. That is the essence of this rule.

[Tribesman]

Agreed. The whole nit picking and whining about this is dumb.
Only to a point Mookie, what is clear and without question is that if someone writes **** then they themselves think that word is swearing and couldn't complain that they thought it wasn't

[STEED]

:hmmm:


very well.

[mookiemookie]

Well IMO using asteriks is more polite and softer way to express your mind or spirit of the matter, then to swear out loud using words. How do one know what word do I have in mind using ****. :haha: It's silly to ban asteriks IMO.

When you drink beer in public places you need to put the bottle into the paper bag, everyone knows what's inside the bag, but no one bitching about it since it's in the bag, correct ? :)

Where is the problem ? Ambiguity ? Oh so your mind must be trashy if you think about a bad word seeing **** :) I can hide any word under asteriks but can you know what word I had in mind =]

It's nothing more than carping at somebody for **** whith such restricts. :)

Start your own site and you can have your own rules. But when you're on this one, respect the owner's rules. Your opinion of the validity of them doesn't matter.

[nikimcbee]

Wouldn't that smurf stuff just be another ANGLE to get around the swearing rule ?

:D:yeah::salute:

[mookiemookie]

I predict your stay here will be a short one.

[Oberon]

Was this a twisted answer to my question ? :haha:

No, I'd say it was a pretty accurate one.

[mookiemookie]

Take it as you will. Flaunting long established rules and personal insults don't fly around here.

[NeonSamurai]

Hmm... any particular reason why you dredged this up or are you purposely trying to test me? If you wish to stay here, I would suggest you abide by the rules.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Play nicely kids, were all mostly here to enjoy ourselves. :yep:

Edit - Neon, that's not aimed at you, you just beat my post!

[NeonSamurai]

Edit - Neon, that's not aimed at you, you just beat my post!

No worries I knew who it was addressed to.

[NeonSamurai]

I am the moderator of this corner of Subsim, hence my question.

I have already explained the reasoning rather thoroughly already. It is very simple to abide by (I haven't had to give any infractions since I posted that warning), so I fail to see what the issue is.

[Onkel Neal]

Forgive me for inquiring but I have to ask. What is a 'fully asterisked out word'? Are you saying that if I type as an exclamation ******* or @#&^%# I will recieve an infraction for being vulgar and offensive?


If you use #$)!@&&^! or ****** once in a while, you won't have any problem. But if your posts are routinely full of astericks that are thinly veiled swear words, you will be asked very politely to stop.


The rules of this forum have been in place for a decade, and excessive swearing and using ***** in place of swear words is not allowed. We could have a long thread discussing the reason and motives of this rule but I'm just going to say, in case you were not aware, people are judged by the way they express themselves.

[NeonSamurai]

Everyone is judged by how they express themselves by everyone they are interacting with, it is part of human nature and social interaction. If me tak lik dis u tink me idiot. It is similar with the use of swearing, if you cannot express yourself with out using obscenities then I have to question your character.

Anyways end of discussion. Like Neal said this rule has been here for a decade, you can either abide by it, or go someplace else. Challenge it and there will be consequences.

<Edit> Once in a while is occasionally, or accidentally. If I see a pattern emerge then it is intentional.

[Herr-Berbunch]

If me tak lik dis u tink me idiot.


Nope just lazy and/or ignorant, and Steve will go into grammar overdrive - which is fun to watch but not be on the receiving end :03:

Glad there's been some clarification - two threads on it but we still could do with what exactly is or isn't included, as mentioned previously one country/regions words mean something totally different - fanny for one - innocent in the US, slightly rude here in the UK, goodness knows what elsewhere? That is a lame example I know but there are others... :hmmm:

Although how you'd create such a list without it looking like -

Banned words at Subsim.com

1. ****
2. ********
3. ****
4. ***********
5. ******

By order of The Managment

@Kentas - this site is probably the most mature gamers site around even the 19-y-o are more mature than most 30+-y-o gamers on other sites, as such we can use a wide vocabulary. It's always been this way, nice an polite (mostly), myriad sites exist where you can swear freely and you can go there to swear, our Texan leader requests we don't - standards were slipping and this thread was just the polite public request to amend the direction we were going. I like to swear on occasion, and have used asterisks here on numerous occasions, but now I'm aware of the forum rules (again :03:) I shall be more aware of what I type.

And we do have some disabled people here, who type just as well as everybody else.

[NeonSamurai]

"If me tak lik dis u tink me idiot"

You might just laughed from disabled ppl that might be having difficulties in typing... :nope: So if asteriks by default means swearing right ? How can you accidently use asterics while typing something on the PC. You may accidently blurt it out verbally..

For things to change timeline doesn;t matter, will it be decade or a 50 years. Things change as much as you want them to change =] What you get with strict rules in time will be a zombie society, and I think you all should take it easier with that, since usage of asterics is far away from anarchy or any other mess =]

It starts to get funny to discuss about it so long, but common where is the danger to community seen in asterics ? :haha:

You can accidentally use them by entering in an uncensored swear word, the filter will convert it to *. This often happens if members get upset and forget themselves.

Also FYI I work with people with disabilities...

Glad there's been some clarification - two threads on it but we still could do with what exactly is or isn't included, as mentioned previously one country/regions words mean something totally different - fanny for one - innocent in the US, slightly rude here in the UK, goodness knows what elsewhere? That is a lame example I know but there are others...

Think it is already covered, like we said, language you would use in front of someone you respect a lot (who doesn't like swearing). Language used is also irrelevant, as we will infract for swearing in other languages too.

[STEED]

Banned words at Subsim.com


2. ********


By order of The Managment




2. sausages

Nooooo...I like sausages with my bacon.


O' hang on it was only a bad dream.

[Herr-Berbunch]

2. sausages

Nooooo...I like sausages with my bacon.


O' hang on it was only a bad dream.

This asterisk restriction must be curbing your David Cameron comments :03:

[STEED]

This asterisk restriction must be curbing your David Cameron comments :03:

That noodle.

BTW: I have told him that in a few letters I sent him. :DL

[Tribesman]

That noodle.

Don't bring religion into this.

[STEED]

Don't bring religion into this.

What! :o :-? :haha:

[Tribesman]

What!
Its just another typical attack on religion by you heathen euros on this forum, it is an insult to Pastafarians for you to liken a useless politician to his noodlieness

[NeonSamurai]

Don't mock the all powerful, all knowing, all Durham wheat spaghetti monster (the non-meatball one, as those who worship the one with meatballs deserve death)!

[STEED]

Don't mock the all powerful, all knowing, all Durham wheat spaghetti monster (the non-meatball one, as those who worship the one with meatballs deserve death)!

Meatballs... Mechanically recovered meat.

Last time I checked a tin and hotdogs!

[Jimbuna]

Mechanically recovered alright.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/medialibrary/images/main-promo/s4_02_ps_01.jpg

[STEED]

Swear at you PC monitor and get it out your system, lot quicker than typing it up on a forum. ;)

The result less time wasted and more time for a pint of beer. :DL


Right then, last one down the pub buys the first round...:D

[BossMark]

Right then, last one down the pub buys the first round...:D
Right am on me way mines a pint of John Smiths :D

[Jimbuna]

Wouldn't fancy any of that warm headless liquid you drink down Luton way :-?

[STEED]

Wouldn't fancy any of that warm headless liquid you drink down Luton way :-?

Stop swearing. :haha:

[Hottentot]

Don't mock the all powerful, all knowing, all Durham wheat spaghetti monster (the non-meatball one, as those who worship the one with meatballs deserve death)!

Oh come on. Can't we all just get along and go with the ritual of "poking with pointy sticks in slightly uncomfortable manner while singing national anthems in Setswana using mildly unpleasant tone"? Just this once?

[Sailor Steve]

It's silly to ban asteriks IMO.
But your opinion means nothing here. Nor does mine, nor NeonSamurai's or anyone elses. The only opinion that matters in this case is that of Neal Stevens. It's his forum and he wrote the rule. That's all that counts.

Wow, Thanks for a warm welcome =]

Is this because Texas is full of ***** rednecks it is so important to dead follow every rule in here ? =] Asking just out of curiosity.
That kind of response will get you banned fairly quickly, especially when you intentionally flout the rules.

I always thought rules are made for ppl who doesn't have a common sense to where the boundary lies. But this is just pathetic, how come some symbols can reflect the same value as real bad words ? =] I don't get it. it might be beyond my limits of understanding sorry. :haha:
And that reply shows you to be one of those you described, as well as lacking in maturity. This has already been argued many times in this thread, and continuing to do so, especially in the disrepectful manner you choose, will soon result in you "having it" with this forum for more than today.

[Hottentot]

Exactly what we need, repeating the ages old joke on another forum and thinking it gets funnier this time.

[mookiemookie]

Don't think... Just follow the ruuules.....

If you have this much trouble respecting Neal's simple rules, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you. All of your whining and complaining isn't going to change anything, and it just makes you look like an immature troublemaker. And immature troublemakers usually don't last long around here.

[Hottentot]

I take that back, this is actually getting funny now. In a sad way, but I'm not picky.

[Dowly]

I take that back, this is actually getting funny now. In a sad way, but I'm not picky.

Indeed. :DL

[mookiemookie]

Steve, I would give you some "friendly" pat in RL, just because you have an attitude of brainwashed and fanatic troll

:rotfl2: Yeah, knock off the trolling, Steve. You're always flying off the handle and being a jerk!

[nikimcbee]

Hmm... any particular reason why you dredged this up or are you purposely trying to test me? If you wish to stay here, I would suggest you abide by the rules.

I don't know you well enough to push your buttons.:D So it can't be me.

[Tribesman]

I would appreciate if you got out of my sight
Is Kuntas asking for his ip address to be blocked?

[HunterICX]

Is Kuntas asking for his ip address to be blocked?

Ow you cheeky bastid :haha:

HunterICX

[nikimcbee]

I must admit, y'all are providing me some great entertainment at work.:yeah::salute:

[Sailor Steve]

Steve, I would give you some "friendly" pat in RL, just because you have an attitude of brainwashed and fanatic troll, obsessed with non exsistant Utopic ideology around these waters :|\\
Interesting, you calling somebody else a troll. And if you're brand-new to Subsim, how would you know anything about my "non-existant Utopic ideology"?

Sigh... since we are in cyber space, I'm just gonna advice you to pass around and stay away from commenting or analysing my posts. I'm just not interested in what you think. I would appreciate if you got out of my sight :) Can you be that smart enough pls ? =]
Why? Because you refuse to follow forum rules, and would rather play the child? Not gonna happen.

Just to let you know - your provocative shoutings, to start this useless discussion again, didn't even lifted my eybrow :haha:
I haven't shouted once. If you are unaffected, why reply at all?

[razark]

And if you're brand-new to Subsim, how would you know anything about my "non-existant Utopic ideology"?
Face it, Steve. Anyone who's read your posts can tell that you're a fanatic Utopist. We also know that you demand that everyone unquestioningly accept your viewpoint as the correct one.

[Sailor Steve]

Face it, Steve. Anyone who's read your posts can tell that you're a fanatic Utopist. We also know that you demand that everyone unquestioningly accept your viewpoint as the correct one.
:o ... :hmmm: ... :-? ... :cry: ... :wah:

[Jimbuna]

@Kentas

You have a PM

[Sailor Steve]

@ Tribesman and HunterICX: You guys have me whistling 'Dixie'. :sunny:

[nikimcbee]

Face it, Steve. Anyone who's read your posts can tell that you're a fanatic Utopist. We also know that you demand that everyone unquestioningly accept your viewpoint as the correct one.

Now that is just smurfing crazy talk. That sounds like steve works for the Spanish inquisition.

[razark]

That sounds like steve works for the Spanish inquisition.
I haven't met him, so could you do me a favor?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/jillsandwich/spanish_inquisition4.jpg
Which one is Steve?

[Jimbuna]

The one disguised as a plant in the corner of the room :DL

[Tribesman]

@ Tribesman and HunterICX: You guys have me whistling 'Dixie'.
It was fat fingers, or webbed hands.... hey its a qwurty keyboard that got me confused...honestly:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

It was fat fingers, or webbed hands.... hey its a qwurty keyboard that got me confused...honestly:yep:
:rotfl2:

I didn't even notice your faux pas, but it was pretty funny. No, I was referring to an older thread. But if I keep it up, the next thing I know he'll be accusing me of bullying him. :sunny:

[nikimcbee]

I haven't met him, so could you do me a favor?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/jillsandwich/spanish_inquisition4.jpg
Which one is Steve?


It's the third guy.:D

[Herr-Berbunch]

Nobody expected that! :03:

[nikimcbee]

The one disguised as a plant in the corner of the room :DL

How not to be seen.:03::03:nudge nudge

[Reece]

Listen you d**** guys, how about getting back on track!:yep:

[Takeda Shingen]

Steve, I would give you some "friendly" pat in RL, just because you have an attitude of brainwashed and fanatic troll, obsessed with non exsistant Utopic ideology around these waters :|\\

Sigh... since we are in cyber space, I'm just gonna advice you to pass around and stay away from commenting or analysing my posts. I'm just not interested in what you think. I would appreciate if you got out of my sight :) Can you be that smart enough pls ? =]

Just to let you know - your provocative shoutings, to start this useless discussion again, didn't even lifted my eybrow :haha:

This reply to you is just another form to let you know I am ignoring you :)

Have a good day =]

P.S. I think Steve you may share this with mookie on this one :)

Bring it down a notch.

[Madox58]

Why does all the really funny stuff happen when I'm at work???
:hmmm:

Do you all plan it that way?
:haha:

[Takeda Shingen]

Why does all the really funny stuff happen when I'm at work???
:hmmm:

Do you all plan it that way?
:haha:

Yes. Yes we do. :O:

[Madox58]

Yes. Yes we do. :O:
:o
Now that just makes me want to hold that star thingy key down for a long time!
:haha:

[Reece]

:o
Now that just makes me want to hold that star thingy key down for a long time!
:haha:
Don't even think about it you big b*****!:O:

[Madox58]

Don't even think about it you big b*****!:O:

Now thats just Starthingystarthingystarthingystarthingyed rude!


(I can't spell *)
:haha:

[Reece]

Now thats just Starthingystarthingystarthingystarthingyed rude!


(I can't spell *)
:haha:
NeonSamarai or Takeda Shingen will teach you!:hmmm:

[Platapus]

So can I post

"You asterisk! You big asterisk asterisk asterisk!"?

:06:

:D

[Takeda Shingen]

In fairness, I hadn't said anything about this issue until one of the new guys started getting rude.

[Growler]

The simple fault here is this: Masked or not, your profanity is NOT an "accident." You're making a conscious decision and a committed effort to type a swear into your post; absent the permission to do so, you're making a conscious and deliberate decision to mask your swear with asterisks or any other such devices.

Either way, you're making a conscious decision and taking deliberate steps in contravention of the rules of the society - this forum - within which you have elected to participate.

No one other than you types what you write here. You alone are responsible for your words and your actions under your User Name. If there's profanity in your posts - outright or masked - it is your responsibility to bear the consequences.

You choose what to post with every word you type. If you're tired of being brigged for swearing, maybe it's time to choose differently?

[Reece]

In fairness, I hadn't said anything about this issue until one of the new guys started getting rude.
Platapus was coaching him!:yep:

[Madox58]

I think Growler is swearing in his sig!!
Google translate don't come up with anything useful.
:hmmm:
:haha:

[nikimcbee]

Don't even think about it you big b*****!:O:

big badger?


Mongo no understand:dead:

[Reece]

big banana! (Terence Hill) :D

[Madox58]

Why for you call me Big Banana?
:o

Has my Wife been talking to you on FaceBook?
:hmmm:
:haha:

[mookiemookie]

The simple fault here is this: Masked or not, your profanity is NOT an "accident." You're making a conscious decision and a committed effort to type a swear into your post; absent the permission to do so, you're making a conscious and deliberate decision to mask your swear with asterisks or any other such devices.

Either way, you're making a conscious decision and taking deliberate steps in contravention of the rules of the society - this forum - within which you have elected to participate.

No one other than you types what you write here. You alone are responsible for your words and your actions under your User Name. If there's profanity in your posts - outright or masked - it is your responsibility to bear the consequences.

You choose what to post with every word you type. If you're tired of being brigged for swearing, maybe it's time to choose differently?

Brilliantly stated. Bravo.

[Madox58]

And it took only 160+ postings to figure this out?
:hmmm:
I'm haveing some serious thoughts about you all!
:doh:

[Rockstar]

Ow you cheeky bastid :haha:

HunterICX



Wait a minute here, 'bastid'?

'... you cheeky bastid', from a moderator no less, is ok? But if someone were to use asterisks and type 'you cheeky bast***' that's the word that will infect our souls, curve our spine, and keep the country from winning the war?

All this because someone got his panties in a wad over 'fully asterisked words'. Something which isn't in the forum rules nor has it yet been defined or explained what a 'fully asterisked word' is. I for one have never heard of such a thing.

Where's George Carlin when you need him? He would have field day with this one.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/07/16/george_carlin_biography/md_horiz.jpg

[Dowly]

Where's George Carlin when you need him?

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/07/16/george_carlin_biography/md_horiz.jpg

6 feet under I'd imagine. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

6 feet under I'd imagine. :hmmm:


and rolling over.

[nikimcbee]

And it took only 160+ postings to figure this out?
:hmmm:
I'm haveing some serious thoughts about you all!
:doh:

I hope those are pure thoughts, cuz now I'm worried:o.

[Madox58]

I haven't had a pure thought since I hit 40!!
:O:

My goals in Life has always been to be:
A Dirty Old Man,
The Old Man next door that hates everyone,
The Old Man that keeps all the kids stuff that lands in his yard,
The Village Idiot.

So far I've reached 3 of the 4 goals.
:yeah:

[Penguin]

I haven't had a pure thought since I hit 40!!
:O:

My goals in Life has always been to be:
A Dirty Old Man,
The Old Man next door that hates everyone,
The Old Man that keeps all the kids stuff that lands in his yard,
The Village Idiot.

So far I've reached 3 of the 4 goals.
:yeah:

Does 38 count as old?

1: check
2: check
4: check

3 out of 4 :D

[Herr-Berbunch]

So far I've reached 3 of the 4 goals.

Go on then, I'll ask...

Which one do you still need? :D

[Sailor Steve]

Wait a minute here, 'bastid'?

'... you cheeky bastid', from a moderator no less, is ok? But if someone were to use asterisks and type 'you cheeky bast***' that's the word that will infect our souls, curve our spine, and keep the country from winning the war?
The problem with that one is that "bastard" is obviously not on the list. It's on my personal list of words I don't use, and I only repeat it here to show that fact. Jim has fun with it, but if it was on the list I'd like to think that he wouldn't.

All this because someone got his panties in a wad over 'fully asterisked words'. Something which isn't in the forum rules nor has it yet been defined or explained what a 'fully asterisked word' is. I for one have never heard of such a thing.
Well now you have. As at least one moderator has said, it's all in the context. If it's obvious what was meant, then the rules apply. Even Neal has said as much.

[Madox58]

I found that by reaching goals
1, 2, and 4 first?

Those snot nosed little Brats are out to keep me from reaching Goal number 3!!
:nope:

They all grew up and moved away just after I reached #2.
I'm hopeing #2 will cause the Parents to sell out so a new batch of SNLB come with the new owners.
(Who I will hate to maintain the #2 goal)
:D

And Goal #4 was actually the first Goal I reached when I moved to my Village!!
:rock:

Although I can't imagine why.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/0806072203.jpg

[Reece]

^ I can see the Fonz has nothing on you mate!:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

^ I can see the Fonz has nothing on you mate!:yeah:

Apart from the soda pop in his hand :DL

[mookiemookie]

Wait a minute here, 'bastid'?

'... you cheeky bastid', from a moderator no less, is ok? But if someone were to use asterisks and type 'you cheeky bast***' that's the word that will infect our souls, curve our spine, and keep the country from winning the war?

All this because someone got his panties in a wad over 'fully asterisked words'. Something which isn't in the forum rules nor has it yet been defined or explained what a 'fully asterisked word' is. I for one have never heard of such a thing.

Where's George Carlin when you need him? He would have field day with this one.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/07/16/george_carlin_biography/md_horiz.jpg

Again with the nitpicking and trying to find loopholes or contradictions in the rules. Sheeshk. Just don't curse, and don't use symbols to cover up curse words. Is it really this hard? Does it require a 9 page thread to establish this simple rule?

[Morts]

Mookie,

The more stupid rules you create the more clashes with them you get, it's natural. Do you often whine about censored peep sounds whatching TV ??? Do you ask for any kind of compensacion for that ? Was your dignity hurt by that peep sound ? =]

Some of you really makes me sick, honestly!

These symbols !"***8470;;%:?*))( can stand for just right purpose of censorship as far as you can only guess the curse word yourself that wasn;t actually written. And what is in YOUR mind is absolutelly your THING, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW YOU TAKE IT! You simply can't blame anyone for this :stare:
Unless you are the king of the world on which I highly doubt :haha:
You are not being censored, you are being asked to express yourself withour swearing, is that really so hard to understand or are you just unable to do so ?

[Hottentot]

is that really so hard to understand or are you just unable to do so ?

I go for option c: neither of those.

[Jimbuna]

Mookie,

The more stupid rules you create the more clashes with them you get, it's natural. Do you often whine about censored peep sounds whatching TV ??? Do you ask for any kind of compensacion for that ? Was your dignity hurt by that peep sound ? =]

Some of you really makes me sick, honestly!

These symbols !"***8470;;%:?*))( can stand for just right purpose of censorship as far as you can only guess the curse word yourself that wasn;t actually written. And what is in YOUR mind is absolutelly your THING, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW YOU TAKE IT! You simply can't blame anyone for this :stare:
Unless you are the king of the world on which I highly doubt :haha:

Right....a few points and a question if I may:

It would appear from my interpretation of your post (quoted) that you believe the rule regarding the use of asterisks is stupid, yes?

That in itself is fine but allow me to point out that said 'rule' is a fundamental part of the terms and conditions of being a member of this community.

Said rule is included because that is the wish of the owner of this forum and as such it is non negotiable and must be adhered to if one is to remain a member of this community.

Seeing as how the vast majority of members strive to adhere to this rule suggests to me that not only is it acceptable to the masses but also that it is a positive and welcome rule.

Some of you really makes me sick, honestly!

Who may I ask is it precisely that make you feel in such a way?

You are correct when you state you are not responsible for how others 'TAKE IT' but your use of capitals donates shouting and I'm sure you are aware of the fact.

Now if you aren't...you are now!

Your 'current membership' has thus far been of a short duration and as such I PM'd you asking you to desist on three separate breaches of the forum rules and ended by asking for your cooperation on the matter.

Since then I've noticed similar posting behaviour on two occasions so I am asking you again publicly to adhere to the forum rules whether you agree with them or not.

I WILL NOT BE ASKING AGAIN

Looking forward to you cooperation.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Come on Kentas, play the game. If you like subsims, and I'm guessing you do as not many come here accidentally, then it's in your interests to buck your ideas up. Me? I'd like you to stick around, the more the merrier. :yep:

[Rockstar]

Kentas: The name's Kentas, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Kentas, and I'll kill you.
mookiemookie: Ooooooh.
Kentas: You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.
Jimbuna: Lighten up, Kentas don't be such a banana head.

[Growler]

OK, then. Since polite words have failed to make the point, I'll put it simply:

This ain't a democracy. And that's the way it should be.

This is Neal's site. Has been as long as I've known it, and I know it goes far further back.

Like any private enterprise, there are rules one must adhere to when visiting that establishment. "No shoes, no shirt, no service." If you don't like it, there's the door - it's not open to debate or even questioning.

Neal, as the proprietor of this venture, has the right to establish the rules he sees as necessary to maintaining good order and flow of the venture. And he has the right to see those rules followed, and to see those who don't follow escorted from the premises.

Moderators are managers appointed by the proprietor to protect his interests and maintain that order, and as such, have the ability to enforce the rules. It doesn't matter what language they use - that is between them and their boss; it is not tacit permission for anyone else to use the same language.

This isn't that complicated. Responsible people follow the rules as they are written, and present a case for changing the rules in the proper format. This incessant whinging about "well he said this, and he said that" is grade-school, and not the way to effect change.

The sooner people understand the differences between "rights," "rules," and "responsibility," the sooner we'll end this sideshow.

[razark]

You don't like the rules. We get it.

Go ahead, post whatever you want, however you want. You've been warned by moderators and the site owner has spoken up. You post what you want, and you will be treated as such.

[Morts]

This sideshow will be over when thread is going to be closed. Otherwise it's open for contradictions. If it's a RULE you MUST obey, why is it open for any discussion ? =]

If you take some symbols for swearings it's up to you freakiness, close this thread and enforce it big time =]

Or perhaps somebody is enjoying the fights of attitudes that different ppl carry ? If so this is even more SICK =]
You know exactly why you're putting the asterisks or other symbols, its no excuse.
You put them there to hint or outright cover swearing.

[Morts]

And the site owner has his opinion about asteriks use to cover up swearing too, hence the rule.
Follow it or or take the consequences.
Its not that hard to understand, that all Neal is asking for is that people dont swear, it in no way censors you, it just tries ensure that discussions and comments are (somewhat) civil.
If you cant express yourself without swearing, then something is obviously wrong with you.

[mookiemookie]

Unfortunetly I have my own opinion about asterics and their meanings =]

That is not enforced by somebody.

And unfortunately your opinion doesn't mean anything when you're a guest on someone else's site and have agreed to abide by their rules.

[Growler]

My suggestion would be to take some time to get to know the tenor and tone of the board and its discussions before deciding to launch a crusade about changing others' perceptions of a rule.

[Morts]

I'm not swearing, I just use asterics sometimes and it's not the same for me as real swearing.

You want to disagree with me it's your call,but no need to bitch about it everytime, since it's start to get really annoyng =]
You know why you cover up words with asteriks, and you know what it looks like, you've also been told not to do that, which is why you're being "bitched" at.

[NeonSamurai]

I would suggest everyone stop playing Kentas's childish little game of provocation and ignore him. He is amusing himself by trying to get everyone all riled up and agitated. So best to do like you would with any child and just ignore them, attention just feeds the behaviour and encourages further antics.

Also this thread will only get locked when I or Neal think things have gone too far. We don't believe in censorship of thoughts or ideas, we just want some decency and respect in what people write.

[mookiemookie]

Fine, if I'm so unwelcomed here, ban me, I will deffinetly not cry about it :haha:

It has nothing to do with being welcome or not. It has everything to do with respecting someone else's wishes instead of complaining about them.

[Morts]

EXACTLY, I KNOW, but you just gonna fool yourself if you think that YOU also do =]
Im not fooling myself, im following the rules.

[Morts]

Ok, so could you pls explain HOW on earth I'm not respecting you with all these *********$$$$$$$$%%^&&& ?

Tell me, How I'm not respecting you now ? =]
Wow, you just cant stop, can you ?

[Reece]

Don't be a silly sausage Kentas, this is the best forum period, just play by the rules and all will be well, I've been a member here for quite a few years, been thrown in the brig as well but I'll never leave, I love this place, and have many friends here!:yep:

[Morts]

Kentas leans to Morts and whispers in the ear: On this occasion it's the same, buddy :haha:
uhh, yeah sure, whatever floats your boat :doh:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I see nobody's taking any notice of Neon's sound advice. :nope:

[Dowly]

Stop being such a drama queen, Kentas. I can't say I understand the sudden
0% tolerance either, but that's the way it is. You can stay and follow the rules,
you can leave if you feel you can't do that or you can continue and get banned,
which doesn't make you a martyr, but good riddance.

You're like I was few years back, trying to fight the "system" if my own opinion
contradicted that of Neal's. Let me tell you: you're not going to win this one. ;)

I see nobody's taking any notice of Neon's sound advice. :nope:

What? Ignoring a child? Social workers wouldn't be too happy about that. :O:

Besides, the faster this gets the lock, the better.

[NeonSamurai]

I will not be locking the thread anytime soon, as I will not be drawn into the child's little game. Sometimes ignoring the child is the best thing you can do, and this is one of those times.

[MH]

I will not be locking the thread anytime soon, as I will not be drawn into the child's little game. Sometimes ignoring the child is the best thing you can do, and this is one of those times.

Maybe most of the posters look at this game as fun.
There is no other reason why thread about asterisk could be so long otherwise.:har:

[Tribesman]

Don't be a silly sausage Kentas
Is that a euphamism?

It's a shame you lost the battle against the system
:har::har::har::har::har:
Battle against the system..... you silly little sausage

[mookiemookie]

I predict your stay here will be a short one.

:dead:

[Morts]

in b4 brig

[MH]

Yeah I hear you fortune teller =]


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4274639286_789ed528a4.jpg

[Gargamel]

http://www.rspb.org.uk/images/cache/canadagoose_300_tcm9-139738_v1.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

Tribesman v Kentas

My money's on Tribesman FTW :yeah:

[NeonSamurai]

I never said I would let you flaunt the rules. But I will not let you provoke, nor manipulate me either.

[Morts]

Provoked ?
More like he just enforced a forum rule :yeah:

[Morts]

I would like to see this kind of rules to be printed on toilet paper rolls =]
So you could get a reminder everytime you're done spewing stuff, and have to wipe ?
Cause you sure do seem like someone who needs to be reminded of the rules a lot.
Whatever helps you i guess :DL :up:

[Oberon]

So you could get a reminder everytime you're done spewing stuff, and have to wipe ?
Cause you sure do seem like someone who needs to be reminded of the rules a lot.
Whatever helps you i guess :DL :up:

There does seem to be a lot of Waste spewing from his Gate, doesn't there?

[Dowly]

There does seem to be a lot of Waste spewing from his Gate, doesn't there?

Doubt it. :hmmm:

[NeonSamurai]

:har: Something tells me you have already been provoked, or was it me or Uncles Sam hairy hand that provoked this :haha:

Bored and indifferent would be a more apt description of my feelings toward you. As a troll your skill is rather pathetic really... I've seen far better attempts at provocation from clients, and many of them have rather limited mental ability. Your methods and antics remind me more of a foolish 10 year old.

[Hottentot]

Mee nyt jo nukkumaan, ipana, jaksat paremmin päiväkodissa huomenna.

[Alex]

I would like to see this kind of rules to be printed on toilet paper rolls =]
ROFLMAO !

To make things clear and simple, my friend : by registering to this site, you agree to switch to drinking milk :O:. Period.

It's not a way to make of the internet the noble thing it will never be. What you've got to do now is no more than following the rules of the site's owner, who wishes to have a clean site smelling bleach, for his own good, and the one of his forum members. A good intention in itself, is it not.
I don't agree at all with these rules myself, and that is why you don't see me posting much, but if you intend to build your den in this community where you've got to mind your words to be accepted, switch from your simple, spontaneous and unaffected manners to the suit and tie. And from cognac to red bull, don't forget where you are, haha. :woot:

:shucks: http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/697570SmileyFlagWaver2.gif :D

Play nice with these boys ;), and have a nice evening !

[Morts]

Hey moin Alex, welcome to the asylum =]

They leave this thread opened on purpose, it's the part of their system, to check wether you are homey ZOMBIE type of guy or a normal with your own opininion =]

Did you knew you can't have your own opininon here ? :haha:
Bloody hell it's a real blackest hole in the whole web I ever seen man =]
They are in no way stopping you from expressing your opinion, they just want you to do it in a respectful way.
If you have a problem with any of the rules, take it to here
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=172
and post your comments/criticism/suggestions

[Oberon]

No-one is forcing you to post here, if you can't abide by the rules then I suggest you frequent another forum.

[Sailor Steve]

Mookie,

The more stupid rules you create the more clashes with them you get, it's natural. Do you often whine about censored peep sounds whatching TV ??? Do you ask for any kind of compensacion for that ? Was your dignity hurt by that peep sound ? =]
This isn't the public airwaves, it's a privately owned website, and the site owner asks that you respect his rules. It's that simple.

Some of you really makes me sick, honestly!
So go be sick. It might do you some good.

These symbols !"***8470;;%:?*))( can stand for just right purpose of censorship as far as you can only guess the curse word yourself that wasn;t actually written. And what is in YOUR mind is absolutelly your THING, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW YOU TAKE IT! You simply can't blame anyone for this :stare:
Unless you are the king of the world on which I highly doubt :haha:
No one here claims to be king of anything, but the rules are Neal's and you need to respect him. After all, his opinion is the only one that counts here.

[Oberon]

Yeah I know how things work in such atmospheres, after one stupid rule, there comes another after a while. Most probably uncle sam is bored and wants to watch where is a limit for ppl in this place aka loyalty check =]

Because you have been a member of Subsim for such a long time and so you can judge these things?

[Dowly]

Mee nyt jo nukkumaan, ipana, jaksat paremmin päiväkodissa huomenna.

Mietinkin tossa jo aikasemmin että ei voi olla kun suomalainen. :DL

[Morts]

Mietinkin tossa jo aikasemmin että ei voi olla kun suomalainen. :DL
And dont forget the fries :doh:

[Dowly]

And dont forget the fries :doh:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/what-are-french-fries.jpg

[Morts]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/what-are-french-fries.jpg
Perfect :yeah:

[Dowly]

Let's say I have a telepathic vision on the oddities like these, from first glance it's innocent little wish no big deal just one mans tiny wish. But when you think about it you start to wonder what ppl can do just from plain solidarity, that sometimes is unaccountable =]

There's just one little problem with that, no one forces us to be part of this forum.
If we don't like it, we can leave. ;)

[Sailor Steve]

That one little rule has been in place for a very long time, and has not led to others of the type, so any argument in that direction is completely misplaced.

[Alex]

You'll not waste your time by leaving this thread, Kentas.
Play by the rules in here. Refusing to do so on that stuff the internet is would not bring you any kind of advantage in any case anyway. See you soon.

[Hottentot]

Mietinkin tossa jo aikasemmin että ei voi olla kun suomalainen. :DL

The style is familiar for anyone frequenting the Finnish forums. Pick a quality:

The idea of self-entitlement
Transparent anti-American rhetoric, likely copied from somewhere else.
The idea of being super intellectual individual.
The dry sarcasm that fails to be sarcastic let alone witty.
Weird use of home-made smilies and overusing them.
Obsessive replying to almost every post with all those qualities mentioned above.
Becoming active usually evening in the local time, after most hobbies and school end.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a Finnish high school student on his first year, average age 16. And if I'm mistaken, Kentas should consider himself insulted.

[Oberon]

Ok, so if not Wastegate, then who else? OTH? :hmmm:

[Dowly]

And he is toast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_uIW8Zjzho

No doubt he'll come back, doesn't seem to be like the guy has
anything better to do..

[Oberon]

And he is toast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_uIW8Zjzho

No doubt he'll come back, doesn't seem to be like the guy has
anything better to do..

Yippe-ki-yay!

[Onkel Neal]

There's been enough reported posts on this thread to bring out the lock. The rules have been discussed, everyone knows what they are by now.