Bashing E.P.A. Is New Theme in G.O.P. Race

[Gerald]

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2167/jpepa1articlelarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/jpepa1articlelarge.jpg/)
Representative Michele Bachmann says the E.P.A. should be called the “job-killing organization of America.

WASHINGTON — The Environmental Protection Agency is emerging as a favorite target of the Republican presidential candidates, who portray it as the very symbol of a heavy-handed regulatory agenda imposed by the Obama administration that they say is strangling the economy.

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota wants to padlock the E.P.A.’s doors, as does former Speaker Newt Gingrich. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas wants to impose an immediate moratorium on environmental regulation.

Representative Ron Paul of Texas wants environmental disputes settled by the states or the courts. Herman Cain, a businessman, wants to put many environmental regulations in the hands of an independent commission that includes oil and gas executives. Jon M. Huntsman Jr., the former Utah governor, thinks most new environmental regulations should be shelved until the economy improves.

Only Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, has a kind word for the E.P.A., and that is qualified by his opposition to proposed regulation of carbon dioxide and other gases that contribute to global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us/politics/18epa.html?src=me&ref=general

Note: August 17, 2011

[mookiemookie]

Friggin' idiots.

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/images/11-3-52.jpg

http://blog.cleveland.com/science_impact/2009/06/large_Richard-Ellers-Cuyahoga-River-goop.jpg

[yubba]

A little common scence would be in order, buuuttttt nnnnoooooooooo

[Rockstar]

I have spoken directly with someone in congress about the need for asssitance in preventing a whole community from sliding off into a bay. Just got shinned on with the same crap about how the EPA was the great evil keeping anything from getting done. Of course while thats being said USACE is building up an island from a 1 acre area of swamp to 1100 acres 27 feet above sea level just to the north of us costing the tax payer 400,000,000 for a bird sanctuary. Not to mention millions of taxpayer monies for beach reclamation to the south for tourists.

EPA is causing what problems? What a load of B.S. this is just the usual talking points leading up to an election season. They just putting out the feelers seeing what's important enough to complain about.

[August]

Gee can it get any more biased? What's with the sieg heil pose they picked for Bachmann?

[Gerald]

Ya tell me, :o

[Growler]

Gee can it get any more biased? What's with the sieg heil pose they picked for Bachmann?

Glad I wasn't the only one noticed that. It is the NY Times, though; they're sore that Newsweek got all the attention for that recent cover image, and trying to catch up.

I don't particularly like Mme. Bachmann, but I truly loathe the pathetic manipulaton attempt by the NY Times here. Sadly, it's also likely to work on many of their readers.

[Tribesman]

What's with the sieg heil pose they picked for Bachmann?
That is her Hallelujah pose which probably should scare people more.
The complaint August makes is rather like the Bachmann complaint that a photo on magazine made her look crazy....yet the article carried some of her own views and policies so a photo wasn't exactly going to make her look any crazier than shwe does herself.

Friggin' idiots.
Nothing unusual there

[Gerald]

Except that she looks to God, :03:

[Tribesman]

Except that she looks to God
No, god looks to her:03:

[Gerald]

No, god looks to her:03: Well...I can buy that, :O:

[razark]

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/images/11-3-52.jpg

Cuyahoga River?

[mookiemookie]

Cuyahoga River?

Yessir.

[Osmium Steele]

I am so torn over the EPA. I've seen their abuses and powergrabs of the last couple decades, but have also seen the wonderful results of their early efforts as well.

[Growler]

I am so torn over the EPA. I've seen their abuses and powergrabs of the last couple decades, but have also seen the wonderful results of their early efforts as well.

Like every other aspect of government, they've gotten so big and cumbersome and invasive, they've no longer a clear picture of who it is they're actually supposed to serve.

[razark]

Yessir.
My parents lived in Cleveland in the late '60s. It was the first thing that came to mind when I saw those pictures.

[Armistead]

Wish they would shut the EPA down, everyone in the construction industry could go back throwing mass chemicals on the ground, not have to worry about them stepping on the job. Please shut OSHA down along with the EPA, we should be able to decide for ourselves if employees need safety harnesses working 200ft off the ground, those are expensive. I use to could provide just the belt, so what if they fell and it snapped them into, now law expects a full body harness with a bungi cord...

[August]

Wish they would shut the EPA down, everyone in the construction industry could go back throwing mass chemicals on the ground, not have to worry about them stepping on the job. Please shut OSHA down along with the EPA, we should be able to decide for ourselves if employees need safety harnesses working 200ft off the ground, those are expensive. I use to could provide just the belt, so what if they fell and it snapped them into, now law expects a full body harness with a bungi cord...

You mean the OSHA that fines workers who don't feel like putting on a heavy constricting harness every time they climb an 8 foot ladder?

Maybe you should keep your sarcasm on topic with the EPA. And while you're at it perhaps you can explain why state environmental agencies can't do just as good a job as the Feds?

[mookiemookie]

And while you're at it perhaps you can explain why state environmental agencies can't do just as good a job as the Feds?

Because pollution from one state with a lax environmental agency could have a serious unwanted effect on the states around it. All it takes is one state to screw things up for everyone.

[August]

Because pollution from one state with a lax environmental agency could have a serious unwanted effect on the states around it. All it takes is one state to screw things up for everyone.

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines. The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.

[razark]

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines. The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.
By the time the pollution crosses state lines, or is identified as having crossed state lines, the problem can be pretty bad.

[Gerald]

Problems must be dealt with now rather than later ... to be able to gain control of emission rights.

[Tribesman]

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines.
No the federal government should get involved when the federal government gets involved.

The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.
But they don't do that anyway.:doh:

You mean the OSHA that fines workers who don't feel like putting on a heavy constricting harness every time they climb an 8 foot ladder?

Heavy harness:har::har::har::har::har:
If you are a real pussy who is very feeble they might be heavy.
So an 8ft ladder, how much free fall would that harness be required to allow for, what is the anchoring point....or is that just typical anti H&S bull you hear every day on any construction site anywhere in the western world.
So like the last OHSA rants about gas cans people are "forced" to use where they are too heavy and too hard to use.......and it turned out the person never had to use it anyway but just wanted to moan :yep:

[August]

By the time the pollution crosses state lines, or is identified as having crossed state lines, the problem can be pretty bad.

So that justifies harassing and imprisoning innocent people (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion-zone/2011/04/case-studies-regulation-john-pozsgai) who aren't polluting anything?

The EPA was a good idea when it was created but it has since become oppressive and self serving. It's list of regulatory abuses is long and getting longer. Maybe it shouldn't be disbanded but it definitely needs to be reigned in (http://www.pacificlegal.org/Reed-Hopper-to-testify-on-Capitol-Hill-about-EPA-regulatory-abuse).

[Tribesman]

So that justifies harassing and imprisoning innocent people (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion-zone/2011/04/case-studies-regulation-john-pozsgai) who aren't polluting anything?

Perfect case, the idiot was told to stop work and didn't.
He continued after many warnings and was eventually jailed.
Good result, even the thickest idiot would know that brownfield sites can be a bloody nightmare to work with, attempting to work on a brownfield site that you already knew was contaminated by illegal dumping is an exceptionaly silly move.
Removing tires and rusty metal is not "cleaning" a site, dumping of any material onto that site is not "cleaning" the site it is just disguising it.
It is exactly cases like these which led to the creation of the EPA as a unified agency in the first place
August has single handedly shot his own arguement to pieces.
But you have to laugh at the article.......
(Under the Clean Water Act, a child at the beach dumping a bucket of sand into the ocean is technically “discharging a pollutant into waters of the United States” and can be arrested for doing so without an EPA permit!)
....could they misrepresent facts in a more blatently stupid manner? Though you can get how loony the writers are straight away when they call the army corps of engineers the armed wing of the EPA:doh: