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Gerald
08-18-11, 08:41 AM
Psychologist Philip Zimbardo and some of the former students who took part recall the experiment.

Forty years ago a group of students hoping to make a bit of holiday money turned up at a basement in Stanford University, California, for what was to become one of the most notorious experiments in the study of human psychology.

The idea was simple - take a group of volunteers, tell half of them they are prisoners, the other half prison wardens, place them in a makeshift jail and watch what happens.

The Stanford prison experiment was supposed to last two weeks but was ended abruptly just six days later, after a string of mental breakdowns, an outbreak of sadism and a hunger strike.

"The first day they came there it was a little prison set up in a basement with fake cell doors and by the second day it was a real prison created in the minds of each prisoner, each guard and also of the staff," said Philip Zimbardo, the psychologist leading the experiment.

The volunteers had answered an advertisement in a local paper and both physical and psychological tests were done to make sure only the strongest took part.

Despite their uniforms and mirrored sunglasses, the guards struggled to get into character and at first Prof Zimbardo's team thought they might have to abandon the project.

'Very cruel guard'

As it turned out, they did not have to wait long.

"After the first day I noticed nothing was happening. It was a bit of a bore, so I made the decision I would take on the persona of a very cruel prison guard," said Dave Eshleman, one of the wardens who took a lead role.

At the same time the prisoners, referred to only by their numbers and treated harshly, rebelled and blockaded themselves inside their cells.

The guards saw this as a challenge to their authority, broke up the demonstration and began to impose their will.

"Suddenly, the whole dynamic changed as they believed they were dealing with dangerous prisoners, and at that point it was no longer an experiment," said Prof Zimbardo.

It began by stripping them naked, putting bags over their heads, making them do press-ups or other exercises and humiliating them.

"The most effective thing they did was simply interrupt sleep, which is a known torture technique," said Clay Ramsey, one of the prisoners.

"What was demanded of me physically was way too much and I also felt that there was really nobody rational at the wheel of this thing so I started refusing food."

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Dave Eshleman, who played the role of a prison guard said the experiment rapidly spun out of control.

Power of situations

He was put in the janitor's cupboard - solitary confinement - and the other prisoners were punished because of his actions. It became a very stressful situation.

"It was rapidly spiralling out of control," said prison guard Mr Eshleman who hid behind his mirrored sunglasses and a southern US accent.

"I kept looking for the limits - at what point would they stop me and say 'No, this is only an experiment and I have had enough', but I don't think I ever reached that point."

Prof Zimbardo recalled a long list of prisoners who had breakdowns and had to leave the experiment. One even developed a psychosomatic all-over body rash.

The lead researcher had also been sucked into the experiment and had lost clarity.

"The experiment was the right thing to do, the wrong thing was to let it go past the second day," he said.

"Once a prisoner broke down we had proved the point - that situations can have a powerful impact - so I didn't end it when I should have."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14564182


Note: 17 August 2011 Last updated at 20:16 GMT

Feuer Frei!
08-18-11, 08:44 AM
Fascinating.
I watched a movie called Das Experiment last week and it was based on the true story of this.
it was brilliant:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250258/

Do yourself a favour and watch it.

Gerald
08-18-11, 08:45 AM
Thanks for the advice, I'll do :yep:

Gerald
08-18-11, 12:06 PM
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Here, prisoners participating in the Stanford Prison Experiment are bearing bags over their heads to rob them of their security, their sanity and their humanity.

Penguin
08-18-11, 12:52 PM
i can also recommend to check out the book "The Wave" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(book)), about a simular experiment in an American school, 4 years before the Stanton experiment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave
There is also a German movie about this from 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

Gerald
08-18-11, 01:02 PM
Have ya seen the movie, :hmm2:

Penguin
08-18-11, 01:57 PM
Have ya seen the movie, :hmm2:

parts of it ;) - but my favorite German actor, Jürgen Vogel acts in it - usually a guarantee that the film is good

Gerald
08-18-11, 02:02 PM
Yes, he seems to have played a lot :yep:

Feuer Frei!
08-18-11, 07:23 PM
I failed to mention the movie Das Experiment is in German/German movie. Sorry.

Gerald
08-19-11, 07:25 AM
I would "handle" pretty .... but it might be available in English anywhere, :up:

the_tyrant
08-19-11, 07:40 AM
i can also recommend to check out the book "The Wave" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(book)), about a simular experiment in an American school, 4 years before the Stanton experiment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave
There is also a German movie about this from 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

good movie:up:
my advice is to go find it if possible

Gerald
08-19-11, 07:47 AM
I will, :know:

TarJak
08-19-11, 09:26 AM
Its worthwhile doing some reading and watching of Jane Elliots brown eye/blue eye experiments in the 1960's. Amazing how people will act when given some power or when power is taken away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

http://absenceofalternatives.com/2009/09/a-class-divided-powerful-experiment-on-how-racism-can-be-learned.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6189991712636113875

I've seen Elliot run the excersise with adults and the results of how they react is even more astounding than when children were the subjects.

Gerald
08-19-11, 09:30 AM
Thanks for the links, :up:

Skybird
08-19-11, 10:30 AM
Oooopsala, some old memories there. Zimbardo is the author of a popular introductory book on psychology that is being used quite a lot at German universities - we had to use it, too. My prof in social psychology courses also was a close assistant to Zimbardo for several years, he claimed. The Stanford story is mandatory basic stuff for every first semester course in social psychology, as is the Milgram Experiment as well. And plenty of the time is being used to discuss whether the Stanford Experiment actually was an experiment at all, in the scientific meaning of the word.

I never saw the relevance of this methodological question, at least I disagreed on this issue being so important like the time invested into it seems to indicate. I think the ammount of talking about this minor issue just reflects how desperately psychology craves for being taken as a hard, solid science . the value of Milgram and Stanford lie in what lessons they tell, not in discussing their methodology.

Armistead
08-19-11, 11:24 AM
I saw a movie last week on TV regarding this, not sure if it's the same one you guys are talking about, it was american made. I didn't see the end, but seemed something large like money was awarded to those who played the roles and if you failed at your roll something bad would happen.