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Feuer Frei!
08-15-11, 10:21 PM
Put what follows in the category of paragraphs no one noticed that should have made the nation’s hair stand on end. This particular paragraph should also have sent chills through the body politic, launched warning flares, and left the people’s representatives in Congress shouting about something other than the debt crisis.
Last weekend, two reliable New York Times reporters, Eric Schmitt and Thom Shanker, had a piece in that paper’s Sunday Review entitled “After 9/11, an Era of Tinker, Tailor, Jihadist, Spy (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/sunday-review/after-911-an-era-of-tinker-tailor-jihadist-spy.html).” Its focus was the latest counterterrorism thinking at the Pentagon: deterrence theory. (Evidently an amalgam of the old Cold War ideas of “containment” and nuclear deterrence wackily reimagined by the boys in the five-sided building for the age of the jihadi.) Schmitt and Shanker’s article was, a note informed the reader, based on research for their forthcoming book, Counterstrike: The Untold Story of America’s Secret Campaign Against Al Qaeda (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0805091033/ref=nosim/?tag=tomdispatch-20).
And here’s the paragraph, buried in the middle of their piece, that should have stopped readers in their tracks:
“Or consider what American computer specialists are doing on the Internet, perhaps terrorist leaders’ greatest safe haven, where they recruit, raise money, and plot future attacks on a global scale. American specialists have become especially proficient at forging the onscreen cyber-trademarks used by Al Qaeda to certify its Web statements, and are posting confusing and contradictory orders, some so virulent that young Muslims dabbling in jihadist philosophy, but on the fence about it, might be driven away.”

The italics are mine, and as the authors urge us to do, let’s consider for a moment this tiny, remarkably bizarre window into military reality. As a start, just where those military “computer specialists” are remains unknown. Perhaps they are in the Pentagon, perhaps somewhere in the National Counterterrorism Center (http://www.nctc.gov/about_us/about_nctc.html), but whoever and wherever they are, here’s the question of the week, possibly of the month or the year: Just what kind of “orders” can they be posting “so virulent that young Muslims dabbling in jihadist philosophy, but on the fence about it, might be driven away”?
And even if our computer experts really were capable of turning wavering young Muslims back from the shores of jihadism -- and personally I wouldn’t put my money on the Pentagon’s skills in that realm -- what about young Muslims (or older ones for that matter) who weren’t on that fence and took those “orders” seriously? What exactly are they being “ordered” to do?
Talk about a potential Frankenstein situation -- and all we can do is ask questions. Just what monsters, for example, might the military’s computer specialists be helping to forge? And who exactly is supervising those “specialists” and their vituperative messages? (Especially since they are unlikely to be in English, and we already know that Arabic, Pashto, Dari, and Farsi speakers (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/31/lack-of-translators-still-hampers-intelligence/) at the higher levels, or even lower levels, of the Pentagon are, at best, few (http://www.theworld.org/2011/04/pentagon-multilingual-military/) and far between.)


Keep in mind that we already have an example of a similarly wacky program lacking meaningful oversight that went awry, hit the headlines, and resulted in the perfectly real deaths of at least one U.S. Border Patrol agent and undoubtedly many more Mexicans. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives launched its now infamous gun-tracking program in Arizona in late 2009, under the moniker “Operation Fast and Furious” (a reference to a series of movies about street car racers). It was meant to track cross-border gun sales to Mexico’s drug cartels by actually letting perfectly real weapons cross the border -- more than 2,000 of them, as it turned out. ATF agents, according to (http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_print.html) a Washington Post report, would be “instructed not to move in and question the [gun runners] but to let the guns go and see where they eventually ended up.” And so they did (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/panel-grills-atf-over-botched-gun-operation/2011/07/26/gIQAa1iXbI_story.html) for more than a year and, not exactly surprisingly, those weapons ended up “on the street” and in the ugliest of hands. The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart asked an apt question (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-21-2011/the-fast-and-the-furious---mexico-grift) about the program: “The ATF plan to prevent American guns from being used in Mexican gun violence is to provide Mexican gangs with American guns. If this is the plan that they went with, what plan did we reject?”
Assumedly, the same question could be asked of the military’s online anti-jihadist program, involving as it evidently does messages believed to be too extreme for wavering young Muslims with an interest in the jihadi “philosophy.” Shouldn’t someone start asking whether those Pentagon’s “orders” to jihadis might not turn out to be the online equivalent of so many loose guns?


After all, what are those specialists ordering them to do? And if actual jihadis actually tried to follow those “confusing and contradictory orders,” possibly being confused and contradictory kinds of guys, if they took them seriously and interpreted them in ways not predicted by their putative Pentagon handlers, is there a possibility that anyone could die as a result? And if such messages turn off some prospective jihadis, isn’t it possible that they might turn on others? And could they, for instance, have been ordered to commit confused and contradictory acts that might end up involving Americans?
Really, someone should blow Schmitt and Shanker’s paragraph up to giant size, tack it up somewhere in the Capitol, and call for a congressional investigation. If the ATF could do it, why not the Pentagon? And honestly, is this how Americans want to see their tax dollars spent?


SOURCE (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175429/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_pentagon%27s_fake_jih adists/#more)

Osmium Steele
08-16-11, 08:19 AM
Point 1: NYT reporters are the book's authors. Not, at all, reputable when questioning the US military.

Point 2: No description of the source of the information. NYT has a culture of using unsubstantiated sources if they are critical of either republicans or the military. Multiple reporters have been caught in recent years making up sources, let alone not verifying source information.

Be extremely skeptical of anything the NY Times, or their editors/reporters print. Especially heading into the political season.

August
08-16-11, 09:47 AM
No repeat of 9-11 in almost a decade. Something must be working right...

And as Osmium points out it's the NYT.

TLAM Strike
08-16-11, 11:03 AM
No repeat of 9-11 in almost a decade.

Didn't they teach you that you never attack the same way twice? :03:

AQ and its offshoots/copycats have gone small scale now. Look at Madrid and London.

~330 Civilians have been killed (The number killed would be double if Northwest 253 had been successful.) and ~2900 wounded in AQ major attacks outside of Afghanistan since 9/11, that is not counting the more mundane stuff they do on their own turf; like the 14 killed by AQ in Yemen and 40 in Iraq yesterday or the 33 injured two days ago in Algeria.

Islamic Terrorists in general have committed 17597 successful attacks in 9/11 according to TROP (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks).

We are in a war of attrition now.

August
08-16-11, 11:18 AM
AQ and its offshoots/copycats have gone small scale now. Look at Madrid and London.

That proves my point. They didn't choose this change in tactics for the heck of it. AQ has been forced to downsize the scale of it's attacks as well as go after other softer targets in foreign lands.

nikimcbee
08-16-11, 11:32 AM
That proves my point. They didn't choose this change in tactics for the heck of it. AQ has been forced to downsize the scale of it's attacks as well as go after other softer targets in foreign lands.

I'm surprised they don't do more soft targets. Minimal planning, maximum chaos. Say, like shopping malls or tourist areas. Since they hate our "Western (sinful)" culture so much, I'm kinda surprised they haven't hit Hollywood yet.

August
08-16-11, 11:36 AM
I'm surprised they don't do more soft targets. Minimal planning, maximum chaos. Say, like shopping malls or tourist areas. Since they hate our "Western (sinful)" culture so much, I'm kinda surprised they haven't hit Hollywood yet.

It isn't because of a lack of trying.

TLAM Strike
08-16-11, 11:54 AM
I'm kinda surprised they haven't hit Hollywood yet. Why attack your biggest ally? :haha:

Buddahaid
08-16-11, 04:31 PM
I'm surprised they don't do more soft targets. Minimal planning, maximum chaos. Say, like shopping malls or tourist areas. Since they hate our "Western (sinful)" culture so much, I'm kinda surprised they haven't hit Hollywood yet.

But they have. Didn't you about the two stars that ended up wearing the same little black dress! I was devastated.