VIIC or IXB

[Miltiades]

Well, now that the 2 are available I got confused about which one to choose.
Can someone explain what the differences are between the 2 in terms of ''roles''
And I know that the IXB has a larger range and more torpedoes, so what's new or better about the VIIC?

[Fish In The Water]

...so what's new or better about the VIIC?

It all comes down to personal preference and playing style. Take me for instance. I prefer the VII because she dives faster, is more maneuverable and presents a smaller sonar target.

I won't go in to the advantages of the IX's, (and there are some), as I'm sure a true fan :03: will be along shortly to do so.

[Miltiades]

It all comes down to personal preference and playing style. Take me for instance. I prefer the VII because she dives faster, is more maneuverable and presents a smaller sonar target.

I won't go in to the advantages of the IX's, (and there are some), as I'm sure a true fan :03: will be along shortly to do so.


Considering my last patrol that sure sounds.....tempting.
I guess with the IXB you have to be more cautious and take it handling into account.

[JazzJR]

IXB and VIIC were the most used submarines in WW2 ;) So i think they both do their job well. But like Fishy i prefer the VII class.

[Miltiades]

IXB and VIIC were the most used submarines in WW2 ;) So i think they both do their job well. But like Fishy i prefer the VII class.

Still a though decision for me.

I usually run out of torpedoes fast , but on the other hand I regularly bump into taskforces (Bye-Bye Illustrious :salute:)....

Seems weird that the IXB costs 2.5 times more than the VIIC.

[Kaptain Schlag]

Im neither a fan of a VIIC or an IXB first of all, so I won't destroy one sub or the other for lack of capability.

The IXB has more firepower, but like Battleships versus destroyers, one is less stealthy than the other. The VIIC would be the "destroyer" and the IXB the "Battleship".

Early war I recommend using Type IX's because ASW capabilities are poor and you can sink more. But late war type VII's are probably more advantageous because of their more stealthy characteristics. I would highly recommend getting a VIIC/41 or /42 if possible though because you can dive extremely deep and therefore can survive. I have not personally used either sub (call my credibility into question if you want) but on uboat.net some of those subs could easily dive past 200m.

[Jimbuna]

IXB then the IXD2 when available (for the reasons already stated).

My favourite from the beginning of 1945 is the XXIII but that is not what you asked.

[SubConscious]

I like the IXB. Longer range, slightly faster surface speed, bigger deck gun (105mm), more ammunition, and more torpedoes. It's not great for dicey situations, as it doesn't dive very quickly, but as a submersible surface raider, it's a fine boat, especially in the early stages of the war.

One of my favorite WWII books is "Operation Drumbeat" by Michael Gannon. It follows the exploits of Reinhard Hardegen and his U-123, a Type IXB. It's an excellent read. :up:

[Miltiades]

Still a tough decision...very tough...

But like Fish in the Water said;
It all comes down to personal preference and playing style.

So I'm leaning towards the VIIC since my hunting is AM52 and the surrounding grids.

[BogdaNz]

type IXB is long range u-boat ,with 22 torpedoes you have a lot of fire power ,so were dispatched to caribbean ,us waters ,canadians waters,south america,africa ....
the type VIIC had only 14 torpedoes,and were mostly used against convoys in north atlantic ,but also long away from base in us waters and caribbean

so your choice if you want to be reinhard hardegen or erich topp :salute:

[JazzJR]

but on uboat.net some of those subs could easily dive past 200m.

After new informations the destruction depth of a VIIC submarine was around 280 meters.:ping:

[Obltn Strand]

Lately I have been cruising with IX and noticed that it's far more difficult to attack convoys.
Surfaced night attack is to be done some 1km farther than with VII and I haven't been able to perform surfaced escape with IX, yet anyway.

[VONHARRIS]

The IXB for me.
I love those long ranged patrols and the 22 torpedoes on board.

Of course , I have to be extra careful later in the war (IXC) when I attack convoys.

When the XXI becomes available , I go for her but I have never been able to finish the war.

[sublynx]

I think one thing that was not mentioned yet, is the time available for playing the game. With a VII you sail to your grid in a couple of days, spend all your torpedoes on a couple of convoy attacks, possibly in one day and sail back to your port in a couple of days. With a IX you might be sailing over the Atlantic for a week or two, then hunt around for a week or two and sail back for another week or two. I try to use TC 128 in airplane ridden areas and that makes using a IX pretty much impossible for me, especially late in the war where the airplanes are pretty much anywhere. I don't have the RL time for a IX.

Historically IX's were not used in the Mediterranean, so that is one thing that could help choosing. VII is the workhorse that can be used in pretty much everywhere, whereas IX's strengths work best in long range patrols.

[Miltiades]

And a VIIC it is..

Thanks everyone for posting.:salute:

[Herr-Berbunch]

VIIC for me, never make it too far into the war to progress to the IXB. :nope:

One day... :hmmm:

[Miltiades]

VIIC for me, never make it too far into the war to progress to the IXB. :nope:

One day... :hmmm:

What do you mean? the IXB comes before the VIIC.
Oct/Nov 1939 if I remember correctly.

[gord96]

type VII! the type IXB doesn't have the awesome interior's mod yet. after coming back to SH3 and trying that mod, I can't imagine playing without it. so looks like a type VII for me until they release the IX version. :rock:

[Miltiades]

type VII! the type IXB doesn't have the awesome interior's mod yet. after coming back to SH3 and trying that mod, I can't imagine playing without it. so looks like a type VII for me until they release the IX version. :rock:

Tried the mod, but how awesome it maybe, it doesn't add anything for me.

[JazzJR]

I wish it would look like this. :cry:

http://www.deutscher-marinebund.de/04_U-Boot-Zentrale_max.swf

also it would be cool if you could go there too.

http://www.deutscher-marinebund.de/02_U-Boot-Maschine_max.swf

[Herr-Berbunch]

What do you mean? the IXB comes before the VIIC.
Oct/Nov 1939 if I remember correctly.

Oops, my mistake. Not even the C, just the VIIB for me. (I haven't played in a while)

In GWX (Table 14 of the GWX manual) it's available from Dec 1940 at Lorient. Although Table 15 immediately below says '39.

I always start from Wilhelmshaven on a VIIB, and transfer to Lorient but I usually spend my renown on other things. And die. Or surrender. :arrgh!:

[Miltiades]

Oops, my mistake. Not even the C, just the VIIB for me. (I haven't played in a while)

In GWX (Table 14 of the GWX manual) it's available from Dec 1940 at Lorient. Although Table 15 immediately below says '39.

I always start from Wilhelmshaven on a VIIB, and transfer to Lorient but I usually spend my renown on other things. And die. Or surrender. :arrgh!:

What do you use the renown for then? Crew?

[gord96]

truth be told, I like the type VIIB as well. if anything I will upgrade to a VIIC/41 or something. but I always keep my VIIB as long as I can.:yeah:

[Miltiades]

truth be told, I like the type VIIB as well. if anything I will upgrade to a VIIC/41 or something. but I always keep my VIIB as long as I can.:yeah:

Isn't the VIIC better than the VIIB?

[JazzJR]

Isn't the VIIC better than the VIIB?

Well they are almost the same :03:

[Miltiades]

Well they are almost the same :03:
I will test that out tonight. :)

[BogdaNz]

I will test that out tonight. :)
Quote:Type VIIC differed from the VIIB only in the addition of an active sonar and a few minor mechanical improvements, making it 2 feet longer and 8 tons heavier.

[Miltiades]

Quote:Type VIIC differed from the VIIB only in the addition of an active sonar and a few minor mechanical improvements, making it 2 feet longer and 8 tons heavier.
But it dives 3 secs faster.

[Sailor Steve]

I currently have three careers going, all in September 1939. One in a Type II from 1st Flotilla, Kiel, one in a Type IX, 2nd Flotilla, Wilhelmshave, and the third in a Type VII, 7th Flotilla, Kiel. Best of all worlds.

[Miltiades]

I currently have three careers going, all in September 1939. One in a Type II from 1st Flotilla, Kiel, one in a Type IX, 2nd Flotilla, Wilhelmshave, and the third in a Type VII, 7th Flotilla, Kiel. Best of all worlds.

How did you get 7500 renown before 1940?:o

[Sailor Steve]

How did you get 7500 renown before 1940?:o
You mean for the IX? I didn't. I just edited SH3 Commander so it was an option in August '39.

[Fish In The Water]

truth be told, I like the type VIIB as well. if anything I will upgrade to a VIIC/41 or something. but I always keep my VIIB as long as I can.:yeah:

Nice to see all the love for the B's... :woot:

[gord96]

Isn't the VIIC better than the VIIB?

a bit yeah, but the type VIIB looks so much better with it's net cutter! plus i like playing an old boat like U-28 as far as I can go. Big powerful boats don't interest me much. My favorite boat is the type II/D. :up:

[Obltn Strand]

My favorite boat is the type II/D. :up: I start all my carees with IID. At least few patrols in every career with ol' dugout.

And fundamental difference between VIIB and C is fuel. C has more in it.

[BogdaNz]

I start all my carees with IID. At least few patrols in every career with ol' dugout.

And fundamental difference between VIIB and C is fuel. C has more in it.
no it doesnt have.
you may wanted to say that difference between VIIA and B is fuel .B has more in it

[Jimbuna]

I believe what is most important is that people have the boat of their choice.

[GoDeep]

I believe what is most important is that people have the boat of their choice.

Oh, I agree. I would choose a boat with some resistance to depth charges, capable of doing 25 knots submerged, stealth, homing torpedoes...guess I'm playing the wrong era.... ;)

That being said, I think it all depend on the style of play you like. If you prefer long, ocean going patrols, incredible range and good striking power, you go for a Type IX.
If you like to get up close and personal with convoys, like a degree of stealth and undetectability, you go for the Type VII. I think they're both good boats, but they do require a different approach. Of course, as the war goes on and the Allies get more ASW capabilities, I'd prefer to be in a Type VII for the faster diving times.

[Gerald]

You mean for the IX? I didn't. I just edited SH3 Commander so it was an option in August '39. Sir Steve! ... it is what is called Cheating :D

[Jimbuna]

Oh, I agree. I would choose a boat with some resistance to depth charges, capable of doing 25 knots submerged, stealth, homing torpedoes...guess I'm playing the wrong era.... ;)

That being said, I think it all depend on the style of play you like. If you prefer long, ocean going patrols, incredible range and good striking power, you go for a Type IX.
If you like to get up close and personal with convoys, like a degree of stealth and undetectability, you go for the Type VII. I think they're both good boats, but they do require a different approach. Of course, as the war goes on and the Allies get more ASW capabilities, I'd prefer to be in a Type VII for the faster diving times.

Rgr that.

[Fish In The Water]

That being said, I think it all depend on the style of play you like. If you prefer long, ocean going patrols, incredible range and good striking power, you go for a Type IX.
If you like to get up close and personal with convoys, like a degree of stealth and undetectability, you go for the Type VII. I think they're both good boats, but they do require a different approach. Of course, as the war goes on and the Allies get more ASW capabilities, I'd prefer to be in a Type VII for the faster diving times.

Spot on... :up:

[FIREWALL]

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Fairly simple. The right boat for the right job.

If your patroling the North Sea to Gibralter and need a fast diveing boat with a decent load of torps a VIIC. With fuel conservation can always get to base or milche cow for fuel and torps.

If long range a IXB or IXC is the logical choice. Long Range and Large torp loadout. This is to simple to add more reasons.


Conclusion: The right boat for the right job. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Sir Steve! ... it is what is called Cheating :D
Not at all. The Type IX was available in Flotilla Hundius, which was later mixed into the 2nd Flotilla, right from the beginning. Fixing something that was wrong is not cheating.

Now editing my game stats so I'm getting 99% renown while using external views? That's cheating. :sunny:

[FIREWALL]

Since I play by Tonnage and not Renoun I just edit my Commander Patrol Log.

[Gerald]

Not at all. The Type IX was available in Flotilla Hundius, which was later mixed into the 2nd Flotilla, right from the beginning. Fixing something that was wrong is not cheating.

Now editing my game stats so I'm getting 99% renown while using external views? That's cheating. :sunny: Thanks, :up:

[Jimbuna]

Now editing my game stats so I'm getting 99% renown while using external views? That's cheating. :sunny:
I resemble that remark :stare:

:O: