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Skybird
08-14-11, 06:27 AM
By this German article (http://www.faz.net/artikel/C30351/buergerliche-werte-ich-beginne-zu-glauben-dass-die-linke-recht-hat-30484461.html)I found this English original (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8655106/Im-starting-to-think-that-the-Left-might-actually-be-right.html)essay. And the author has some points right that I cannot deny.


What with the the phone-hacking scandal, the eurozone crisis and the US economic woes, the greedy few have left people disillusioned with our debased democracies.

It has taken me more than 30 years as a journalist to ask myself this question, but this week I find that I must: is the Left right after all? You see, one of the great arguments of the Left is that what the Right calls “the free market” is actually a set-up.

The rich run a global system that allows them to accumulate capital and pay the lowest possible price for labour. The freedom that results applies only to them. The many simply have to work harder, in conditions that grow ever more insecure, to enrich the few. Democratic politics, which purports to enrich the many, is actually in the pocket of those bankers, media barons and other moguls who run and own everything.


In the 1970s and 1980s, it was easy to refute this line of reasoning because it was obvious, particularly in Britain, that it was the trade unions that were holding people back. Bad jobs were protected and good ones could not be created. “Industrial action” did not mean producing goods and services that people wanted to buy, it meant going on strike. The most visible form of worker oppression was picketing. The most important thing about Arthur Scargill’s disastrous miners’ strike was that he always refused to hold a ballot on it.


A key symptom of popular disillusionment with the Left was the moment, in the late 1970s, when the circulation of Rupert Murdoch’s Thatcher-supporting Sun overtook that of the ever-Labour Daily Mirror. Working people wanted to throw off the chains that Karl Marx had claimed were shackling them – and join the bourgeoisie which he hated. Their analysis of their situation was essentially correct. The increasing prosperity and freedom of the ensuing 20 years proved them right.


But as we have surveyed the Murdoch scandal of the past fortnight, few could deny that it has revealed how an international company has bullied and bought its way to control of party leaderships, police forces and regulatory processes. David Cameron, escaping skilfully from the tight corner into which he had got himself, admitted as much. Mr Murdoch himself, like a tired old Godfather, told the House of Commons media committee on Tuesday that he was so often courted by prime ministers that he wished they would leave him alone.

The Left was right that the power of Rupert Murdoch had become an anti-social force. The Right (in which, for these purposes, one must include the New Labour of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) was too slow to see this, partly because it confused populism and democracy. One of Mr Murdoch’s biggest arguments for getting what he wanted in the expansion of his multi-media empire was the backing of “our readers”. But the News of the World and the Sun went out of the way in recent years to give their readers far too little information to form political judgments. His papers were tools for his power, not for that of his readers. When they learnt at last the methods by which the News of the World operated, they withdrew their support.

It has surprised me to read fellow defenders of the free press saying how sad they are that the News of the World closed. In its stupidity, narrowness and cruelty, and in its methods, the paper was a disgrace to the free press. No one should ever have banned it, of course, but nor should anyone mourn its passing. It is rather as if supporters of parliamentary democracy were to lament the collapse of the BNP. It was a great day for newspapers when, 25 years ago, Mr Murdoch beat the print unions at Wapping, but much of what he chose to print on those presses has been a great disappointment to those of us who believe in free markets because they emancipate people. The Right has done itself harm by covering up for so much brutality.

The credit crunch has exposed a similar process of how emancipation can be hijacked. The greater freedom to borrow which began in the 1980s was good for most people. A society in which credit is very restricted is one in which new people cannot rise. How many small businesses could start or first homes be bought without a loan? But when loans become the means by which millions finance mere consumption, that is different.

And when the banks that look after our money take it away, lose it and then, because of government guarantee, are not punished themselves, something much worse happens. It turns out – as the Left always claims – that a system purporting to advance the many has been perverted in order to enrich the few. The global banking system is an adventure playground for the participants, complete with spongy, health-and-safety approved flooring so that they bounce when they fall off. The role of the rest of us is simply to pay.
This column’s mantra about the credit crunch is that Everything Is Different Now. One thing that is different is that people in general have lost faith in the free-market, Western, democratic order. They have not yet, thank God, transferred their faith, as they did in the 1930s, to totalitarianism. They merely feel gloomy and suspicious. But they ask the simple question, “What's in it for me?”, and they do not hear a good answer.

Last week, I happened to be in America, mainly in the company of intelligent conservatives. Their critique of President Obama’s astonishing spending and record-breaking deficits seemed right. But I was struck by how the optimistic message of the Reagan era has now become a shrill one. On Fox News (another Murdoch property, and one which, while I was there, did not breathe a word of his difficulties), Republicans lined up for hours to threaten to wreck the President’s attempt to raise the debt ceiling. They seemed to take for granted the underlying robustness of their country’s economic and political arrangements. This is a mistake. The greatest capitalist country in history is now dependent on other people’s capital to survive. In such circumstances, Western democracy starts to feel like a threatened luxury. We can wave banners about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”, but they tend to say, in smaller print, “Made in China”.

As for the plight of the eurozone, this could have been designed by a Left-wing propagandist as a satire of how money-power works. A single currency is created. A single bank controls it. No democratic institution with any authority watches over it, and when the zone’s borrowings run into trouble, elected governments must submit to almost any indignity rather than let bankers get hurt. What about the workers? They must lose their jobs in Porto and Piraeus and Punchestown and Poggibonsi so that bankers in Frankfurt and bureaucrats in Brussels may sleep easily in their beds.

When we look at the Arab Spring, we tend complacently to tell ourselves that the people on the streets all want the freedom we have got. Well, our situation is certainly better than theirs. But I doubt if Western leadership looks to a protester in Tahrir Square as it did to someone knocking down the Berlin Wall in 1989. We are bust – both actually and morally.

One must always pray that conservatism will be saved, as has so often been the case in the past, by the stupidity of the Left. The Left’s blind faith in the state makes its remedies worse than useless. But the first step is to realise how much ground we have lost, and that there may not be much time left to make it up.

Latest news in: German media have started to report since yesterday that the German government secretly prepares full surrender to the EU's and the bancrupter'S demand for Eurobonds and system of constant German payment for European mismanagers, bancrupters and corrupt states. Yesdterday it was reported that obviously it is kjust Merkel'S fear of the wrath of the voters and her fear to lose power, that so far has made the Merkel amdinstration stoppoing short oif this step. The estimations of costs for germany per year range from optimistic 43 billion to probbaly more realistic 150 billions. Since in the near future an euphemisticall called "debt brake" will become active in the German conjstrititon, im,mense and dramatic tax raises are inevitable - taxes that will be dfirectly transferred into other nations. Calculations indepednetly done from the government that there could come taxes for the ordinary employee that consume more than 60% of his loans (not to mention pensions declining).

So far the highest tax setting in German post-war history was set by conservative Helmut Kohl, where the maximum tax class payed 52 or 53% percent. Socialist (?) Gerhard Schroeder cut that down to 42%.

Several groupos have called the German High Court over the Euro iossues, trying to stop the madness, becaseu it clearly violates the constituion in several issues. The court has delayed the action and refuses to react bewfore, so it seems to hope, polktial decisions have been made that the court than can use as an excuse to hide behind when cutting down these demands. The German High Court, like the European Court, traditionally is extremely EUphile and often tries to just get out of the trouble when needing to rule over some EU-related issue, without loosin g too much of its face and needing to claim responsibility. In this round now, there is also the risk that it hands over the cases to the Euzropean courts. What this would mean fort the chances of a balanced, fair review, everybody can imagine. The outcome would be decided from the very first day on.

I accept the need for individual social responsibility for the community, but I am by far no socialist, I dislike socialism very much. But I dislike pure capitalism as much, too, and the thesis that the greed of the few fosters the benefit of all, is such a ridiculous distortion of elemental logic that I cannot even laugh about this absurd joke. The times we now live in, show us in all blatant clearness how massive the failing of often repeated capitalist mantras really is. It now threatens the very pillars of our civilisation.

I cannot see how we could get out of this unhurt. It will hurt us. Very.

Feuer Frei!
08-14-11, 06:41 AM
And that is what it comes down to really, Voter backlash.
Facing hard decisons? Since when do Politicians have the interests of Voters in mind when deciding things?
And if they do say it, it's all talk.
Just a facade.
The decision should be simple in nature, but...
Voting popularity takes precedence over everything.
Fear of getting ousted is a bigger fear than ruining your own country.

Here is something which also ties in with this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=186659

Skybird
08-14-11, 07:34 AM
Germany'S boom is slowing down, the spike we have seen in the past two years or so is not a normal modfe of operation that can be expected to reporesent the norm of the future. More and more even predicted an upcoming recession now. But the Euro-conspiracy (I canot call it any different) caluclates as if the boom of the past two years would represent Germany'S normal operaiton mode. This is an ill thesis that cannot be held up forever. And when the incomes of Germany fall, the agreed additonal obligations to keep afloat other bancrupt states nevertheless will be there. Go figure.

This has the potential to effectively sink Germany. German banks are said to lack the liquidity of for example French banks. But France already is in trouble now. We will be expected to bail out French banks, too, in fact Sarko already has pulled Merkel repeatedly over the table, apparently without Merkel even having noticed it. Where France and Britain are today, Germany will be in just some years. And after that, we will follow the path of Greece, with exploding debts. Whether the Euro gets lost underway or not, will not play a role then anymore.

I fear they will not stop befure they have crippled Germany indeed. And then it will be too late, there is nobody who will or could bail out us.

Seen that way one must hope that politicians once agaon get overtaken by reality's pace and the market collapses BEFORE German government could have signed any additional euro-obligations. This collapse will be very costly for all, and for Germany, yes. But a prime evil we will get rid of: the Euro which simply was introduced some decades too early, in a deeply rotten and sick European environment that was not prepared for a project like this. The time factor also explains why Merkel tries to just whip through preparatory measures and decisons in parliament, in parts just bypassing it if she could, and at least by her intention trying to effectively render it powerless in governmental decisions on the Euro and the EU. The parliament is not wanted to discuss and check it anymore. It just has to nodd, that shall be its only duty.

The deepest root of the problem is - and that is what makes it immune to reason and argument - that it now is about ideology only, notz about facts and reality. An ideologic basic attitude on Europe, that it should, must, will be proven to be a socialistic as well as a social-engineering experiment brought to a successful finish in order to just prove that those pushing it were right and that their ideologic background becomes dominant and gets shown as superior - that is all what it really is about now. and this fight has started in brussel already during the cold war. The fight between those wanting a Europe of cooperating economies only and those wanting a European federal state with a socialist financial agenda indeed is at least 50 years old. It just was set free to be fought with new rules in favour of the Europhiles after the wall collapsed.

yubba
08-14-11, 08:00 AM
Com'on say it, re dis tra bution of wealth, rolls right off the tongue so nicely, but has a terrible after taste. See the Germans aren't paying their far share, just like the millionares and billionares here in the states.

Respenus
08-14-11, 08:56 AM
/Warning: what follow is a semi-coherent rant on some of the things that are on my mind right now. So, no TL: DR please/

While I too, like Skybird, am worried about the depths to which EU politicians will surrender to the markets in their saving of the euro (although the word is that if Germany is to agree to a transfer union, it will demand an almost complete control over the fiscal politics of the nations receiving help, which in itself is problematic), I have to once more step in and balance the Telegraph column with its attack on the EU administration.

While it is true that its bodies are not really democratic (and the same goes for national governments while we're at it, so it's not only the EU that has a democratic deficit), it was the big countries, Germany and France that broke the Stability and Growth Pact. Yes, countries like Greece did cook their books, but if the giants held their place and exacted greater control, like they demand now with the 6-Pack law and the Euro Plus "agreement", things would had per-chance been different. There is no accounting human greed and this is where I agree with the author.

While I am less and less certain that further integration is the answer for Europe's ills (I personally support a community of communities, but my utopia is as realisable as warfare coming to an end), I am certain that the collapse of the Euro and the EU, would be an unmitigated disaster. Great Depression? More like a walk in the park. If the Common Market and Euro went the way of the dodo, there would be massive international turbulence, with European production plummeting to unimaginable lows (unless some countries decided to keep up free trade, but how is a more difficult question to answer) and if not for anything else, Germany would find itself unable to export goods. The Mark would appreciate to such a degree that the only two options would be either massive depreciation with a hyper-inflation to match, or accept the fact that your exports are too expensive for many an individual in a collapsing world economy. Not to mention other fiscally strong states like Finland, Austria and the Netherlands, who would follow in Germany's wake.

What is there to do? I'm still hopeful of statesmen coming together and slapping the unbounded market on its fingers and focus on the "real" economy. That is not very bloody likely since they only look towards the next election and need the support of the rich in order to survive. Just look at Murdoch and Co. He who controls the media, controls the actions of political agents and institutions. If we link industry and media together, we get a powerful force capable of making decisions above any control, with the wilful acceptance and support of the citizens. This can be seen in Slovenia, where a couple of individuals control both big industries and the big media, making sure that citizens are separated along "party" lines, while the elected officials are found having coffee with them or on yacht cruises, going over "political programmes". This is just one example of a degeneration that is currently going on. I would warmly recommend the work of Jurgen Habermas as he manages to hit the very heart of the problem and explaining the negative consequences this brings. But I digress.

Back again to the question what to do? I can say I've been following the news since the Greek crisis began and even more so in the last month of so when things started to go down the drain once more. I've read more opinions than I'm capable of remembering and I haven't even scratched the surface of the multitude of ideas that people are presenting. Perhaps this is also a symptom of the problem at hand. There is much talk, from our governments, from the experts, from the markets and industry. Everyone has an idea on what to do and how to implement it. The thing is, every option is going to hurt someone and have long-term consequences that we are unable to perceive as of right now. So, we are stuck in an endless circle. The markets react to some tidbit of news, the governments react and present a solution, next week it starts all over again, with more and more outlandish solutions being presented. Instead of following rules of trauma treatment and save what can be saved, we continue keeping the patient on life support, hoping for the best to come of it. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position either to offer the people of Subsim a solution, at least in the EU, which would be able to preserve the greatest prosperity for the greatest number of people and in this environment, I doubt anyone is. What we really need is a tabula rasa, another great utopia of people with too much time on their hands.

There is another thing I would like to mention, concerning the economy and production of goods. In the developed world, there is, or at least there was before the crisis, an intersection of the sphere of production and the sphere of production, taking the creation of goods into a new realm (crowd-sourcing would be one such example), which means that things are no longer as simple as they were before. Massive industrial production is still done en masse, but with an individualisation of consumer products becoming ever more prevalent, one has to wonder what a reconstruction of the free trade and to a degree, financial system, would do to a "sector" that seems to be able to add added value to what may even be "simple-to-make" products (think textile).

/Well, this seems to be all I had in me for this run. Come back later for more amazing adventures from the Crazy Utopian/

Skybird
08-14-11, 10:03 AM
See the Germans aren't paying their far share, just like the millionares and billionares here in the states.
Don'T they?

I quoted calculations saying that the introduction of Eurobonds would cost Germany at least an additional 46 billion Euros per year, with 46 billion being the most optimistic calculation amongst several other exemplary calculations. These costs arise due to all states guaranteeing for Eurobonds, which makes bancrupt states needing to pay less and netto payer like Germany needing to pay more interests for the credits they take up than now.

Those 46 billion, so says for example the conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in an article of today, would equal 15% of the planned total investements of the government for whole 2012! This is additional a cost to the already existring ones we have, due to the Euro!

This should make clear that in a worst case scenario, where calculations showed the costs for Germany exceeding 100, even 150 billion, simply would break Germany into pieces. No state can afford to give away 35% or 50% of its yearly investement budget all for nothing, just to bail out other states. It is suicide. Imagine the US would give one third of its yearly budget to lets say Mexico, as a yearly present!

I dare say we even cannot afford to lose 15% every year, based on the budget for 2012.

It is in general hard to understand why corporations are allowed to revolve around the globe and keeping the profit, but when they suffered losses, only then they return home and demand to get bailed out - and John Smith and Mary Meyers need to cut shorter their pensions and need to pay more taxes to keep the rich and the banks happy.

The system is rotten. Sick and rotten. It must go. I am ready now to accept every cost for that, even riots and revolutions in the street. The system must go - or it pulls all of us down along with it.

Won'T be a pleasant affair, no. But I am far more afraid now of the consequences if the system is kept alive by force and against all reason. Then riots and revolutions sooner or later will turn into real upgrown civil wars, I fear. We had two wars in the outer border perimeter of Eurppe in recent years, in Georgia and former Yugoslavia. We have wars at out doorsteps right now in Syria, Lybia, Israel, and uncertain, dangerous conditions in Egypt, Tunisia.

War and violent uprise may not be as far away from the centres of our communities like many Europeans think. The social uprise in Arab countries meanwhile has sprung to Israel, too, . We have a whole generation of lost and chanceless young adults in many European countries. We have the poorer become poorer and more, and the richer become richer and fewer. Social tensions rising in practically all European countries, all of them. And we have the failed integration of many foreign migrants from Muslim countries, their subcultures and parallel societies staying separate from their hosting environments, and the intention of Muslim countries to bring to fall europe by making its social systems collapse by entering into them in overwhelming numbers, an intention that has been spoken out and admitted repeatedly by political and relgious representatives from various Muslim countries, including Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt.

When I say there could be revolutions and war in the heart of Europe again, and within our lifetime, I mean that.

Skybird
08-14-11, 10:45 AM
While it is true that its bodies are not really democratic (and the same goes for national governments while we're at it, so it's not only the EU that has a democratic deficit), it was the big countries, Germany and France that broke the Stability and Growth Pact. Yes, countries like Greece did cook their books, but if the giants held their place and exacted greater control, like they demand now with the 6-Pack law and the Euro Plus "agreement", things would had per-chance been different. There is no accounting human greed and this is where I agree with the author.

Germany qualified for the criterions that were pronounced back then, but yes, while everybody knew that the Greeks were lying and some other's finances were intentionally not look to close at, everybody wanted, for stupid "symbolism", that everybody should jopin, no matter the criterions. The result is that the criterions mean nothing anymore, that every Euro-nation is worse off financially than it was before the Europ, and that even Germany today would fail to qualify by those criterions - if they wouldn'T already have been abandoned completely meanwhile. Now they priomise us new c riterions and stability pact., I am certain that this time their sweet talking means as much and is as trustworthy as it was the last time and the last times : truckloads and truckloads of $h!t

We must not believe them anything anytime again, never. We have been betrayed and victimised since years and years and years. The whole EU project is a giant lie.


While I am less and less certain that further integration is the answer for Europe's ills (I personally support a community of communities, but my utopia is as realisable as warfare coming to an end), I am certain that the collapse of the Euro and the EU, would be an unmitigated disaster. Great Depression? More like a walk in the park. If the Common Market and Euro went the way of the dodo, there would be massive international turbulence, with European production plummeting to unimaginable lows

Yes, it will be an end with stellar terror. But as I see it, the horrors from a terror without end would accumulate to even higher heaps of terror.


(unless some countries decided to keep up free trade, but how is a more difficult question to answer) and if not for anything else, Germany would find itself unable to export goods.

Germany finding itself with debts topping that of Greece, and in the forseeable future - what do you think this will trigger? No damage to the economy?


[The Mark would appreciate to such a degree that the only two options would be either massive depreciation with a hyper-inflation to match, or accept the fact that your exports are too expensive for many an individual in a collapsing world economy. Not to mention other fiscally strong states like Finland, Austria and the Netherlands, who would follow in Germany's wake.
Our exports drive our economy, and since years I say this is a disaster - I always said I see the German economy as totally misdesigned due to the heavy dependency on exports, and that is no strong but a WEAK economy to me. The system has an inbuilkd flaw, and one tries more and more desperate to delay the judgement day for that endlessly into the future. But it seems our delay-strtagey is set to see the end of its lifespan in the forseeable future. If not by the Euro, than due to other gloobal factors: shoertening ressources, bigger global competition. So far Germany tried to remain competitive by lowering the wages. This politicians tried to sell to the people by maintaing at the same a social wellfare system thatz for soem time was seocnd to none in all the West, and simply unaffordable. The result was a schizophrenic situation: on the one hand only few, if any, industrial nations have so high non-wage labour costs (=Loihnnebenkosten) like you see in Germany, on the other hand Germany has a relatively bigger share of its workforce being engaged in minimum-wage-job than any other Wetsern nation, and the loss of real buying power of brutto incomes over the past 15 years have been shown to be bigger in Germany than in all other european nations. We tried to compete with the Asian massindustrial competitors that emerged there, by reducing our loans and on-costs, but we now see the end of possibilities with this tactic. It was short-sighted only. Major parts of our industry more and more have migrated eastward, and reducesa jobs here and raises new jobs there. This was a race for whioch the final oputcome was decided from the day that it began. You cannot compete with the low wages and unlimited workforce pools they have in Asia, due to different laws and ethical values.

All opf this has not been calculated for Germany'S future euro-bills. It is sasumed that the economy will keep on bristling, like it did in the past three years. But in fact it already has slowed down, and seems to be in a process to reverse.

And when Germany cannot pay for the Euro anymore, and is sucked out - what then, dear supersmart Euro-Europe? Asking China for a 2 trillion bailout package? Or voluntarily become a colonial province under Asien sovereignity? Or asking Wall Street for a dime?


Back again to the question what to do? I can say I've been following the news since the Greek crisis began and even more so in the last month of so when things started to go down the drain once more. I've read more opinions than I'm capable of remembering and I haven't even scratched the surface of the multitude of ideas that people are presenting. Perhaps this is also a symptom of the problem at hand. There is much talk, from our governments, from the experts, from the markets and industry. Everyone has an idea on what to do and how to implement it. The thing is, every option is going to hurt someone and have long-term consequences that we are unable to perceive as of right now. So, we are stuck in an endless circle. The markets react to some tidbit of news, the governments react and present a solution, next week it starts all over again, with more and more outlandish solutions being presented. Instead of following rules of trauma treatment and save what can be saved, we continue keeping the patient on life support, hoping for the best to come of it. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position either to offer the people of Subsim a solution, at least in the EU, which would be able to preserve the greatest prosperity for the greatest number of people and in this environment, I doubt anyone is. What we really need is a tabula rasa, another great utopia of people with too much time on their hands.
Maybe dualism is an inbuilt featuzre of everythbing that happens and exiosts, and everything goo already crries the seed of its own destruction inside of it. Indeed I beolieve that this is the case, creating dynmaics that make the world go round - but it is a world where things cannot last, but must come and go, must rise, climax, and fall. Or maybe we have en tered a cojmp0lexity loevel of world affairs that the human mind simply is not prepared to oversee anymore. Or maybe it all is just FUBAR.

yubba
08-14-11, 12:30 PM
Com'on say it, re dis tra bution of wealth, rolls right off the tongue so nicely, but has a terrible after taste. See the Germans aren't paying their far share, just like the millionares and billionares here in the states.
I was being sar cast ic, I bet someone over there hates corperate jets too.

Armistead
08-14-11, 01:20 PM
Capitalism will always be the best system when it works fairly and for the masses. That is how great nations are built. When laws, tax codes and regulations or the lack of start working for the few, it turns into elitism and a two class society. When that happens great nations crumble, history has proven that over and over. The US will soon be there, I hate it for my children.

Skybird
08-14-11, 06:14 PM
Capitalism will always be the best system when it works fairly and for the masses. That is how great nations are built. When laws, tax codes and regulations or the lack of start working for the few, it turns into elitism and a two class society. When that happens great nations crumble, history has proven that over and over. The US will soon be there, I hate it for my children.

If only... just when.... in case of...

Capitalism has an inbuilt feature that says: seek thy own best and do so by seeking to establish monopolies. Competition is bad, because it lowers your chnace to dictate conditions. Monopolies are good, because they increase your options to dictate conditions.

How it could be assumed that this would lead to the best for all instead of just growing egoism, is beyond me. when egoists try to maximise there egoism's profits, and thus spread and grow their influence - this should battle egoism in society? How...? That is illogical from A to Z.