England Used to Be a Country of Men

[Feuer Frei!]

With London succumbing to looters and muggers, it’s time to ask what happened to the once-manly English people. The August 9 issue of the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/UK-riots-2011-London-Birmingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html), for example, includes a photo of a young man taking off his pants on the street as an impatient looter waits with the emasculated Briton’s sneakers and shirt already in his hands. Luckily the feeble Englishman chooses boxers over briefs, but I can’t help wondering if men such as T. E. Lawrence, Winston Churchill, or Lord Acton could have stomached the state of manliness in this generation of Englishmen.
Consider that this latest explosion of looting, robbing, and burning began in Tottenham, a dicey corner of north London, after police shot and killed a 29-year-old Tottenham resident named Mark Duggan. As typically happens, two competing personality profiles of Duggan are being told, depending on the politics of the teller; some say Duggan was a hardened drug dealer, others say he was a beloved family man. What we do know is that police pulled over a taxi in which Duggan was a passenger. Police say they heard a gun fired, which prompted them to shoot and kill Duggan.


The facts of this incident may be in dispute, but the unmanly actions of Tottenham’s gangster youth are not. In retaliation for Duggan’s death (or using it as an excuse for mayhem), they’ve burned autos, looted stores, and mugged people along Tottenham’s High Road and around parts of London. This reaction says something horrific about the culture in these neighborhoods, just as much as the 1992 Los Angeles Riots displayed that all wasn’t right with the culture in the poorer neighborhoods of Los Angeles. For context, consider the “Tottenham Outrage” of 1909. Two men in Tottenham, armed with semi-automatic handguns, attempted to rob a payroll truck, but the guards resisted. After one robber fired his gun, police came running. The robbers fled on foot. The chase lasted two hours and covered about six miles as other officers and armed civilians pursued and engaged the robbers. One of the thieves committed suicide and the other later died in surgery. One officer and one civilian also were killed. The bravery of the officers and civilians prompted the creation of the Kings Police Medal and the funeral processions for the slain officer the civilian passed through streets lined with mournful Londoners. Those weren’t the kind of people who demonize police officers or take off their pants for thieves.


Well, okay, sure, the English people did for too long accept the unmanly ditherings of Neville Chamberlain before World War II. Nevertheless, something has changed in the English character. These aren’t the proud men who once made the whole world look them in the eyes. I submit that one of the chief causes of their now emasculated spirit is the loss of so much of their individual liberty — like a child used to a parent fighting his or her battles, a people dependent on their government for everything cannot take care of themselves and are prone to childish outbursts.
By giving up their natural right to self-defense, for example, England’s law-abiding citizens have become defenseless both physically and psychologically. The loss of their right to self-preservation has created a culture of dependency on government (for protection and so much more) that has helped neuter the English male. This has also prompted some English citizens to blame the police for the crime rates that law enforcement is legally constrained from doing anything practical to fight.


Britain’s licensing of gun owners and the registration of their firearms made it easy for the government to take guns from law-abiding citizens after a mass-murderer in Hungerford killed 16 people in 1987. Within the next decade, British politicians criminalized possession of most handguns — the final deadline for turning them in was Feb. 27, 1998. (This is something liberals would like to do in the U.S., too.) Yet, few have subsequently pointed to the victims of this anti-freedom gun confiscation. The English papers haven’t interviewed victims of rape and other crimes and asked what they might have done if they had the ability to defend themselves from criminals.

SOURCE (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274268/england-used-be-country-men-frank-miniter#)

[Madox58]

All I can think of is this:

If you hear the phrase or anything remotely like
'We're the Government and We are here to help/protect you'

Arm yourself to the teeth and make sure it's hidden really well.
:stare:

[Armistead]

Too many soccer games and beer.

We have some riots once in a while in big cities with gun control laws, only the looters have guns, down south we shoot back.

[FIREWALL]

All I can think of is this:

If you hear the phrase or anything remotely like
'We're the Government and We are here to help/protect you'

Arm yourself to the teeth and make sure it's hidden really well.
:stare:


:up::up::up:...privateer

[TLAM Strike]

If you are making a Police State Britain, as some say: you actually have to police it!

:)

[breadcatcher101]

A far cry from Rorke's Drift to be sure.

[Tribesman]

That article is funny. It even has an obligatory chamberlain reference.
I did wonder what on earth he was going on about, then I realised it was just a typical NRA talk radio showcase for gun nuts.

[sidslotm]

These are day's of defuring responsibility to reason, politicians have mastered this.

[Skybird]

One of my most favourite authors is D.H. Lawrence, whose vitality yearning for liveliness in his writings in parts is both result of and at the same time causal expression of his description how male workers lost their dignity during the industrial revolution, almost being castrated by the rule of the machinery and the clocks that now regulated their life all day long. I agree that there is a general loss of manliness, not only in Britain but in most of the Wetsern world, if not all, but in case of britain it seems to me it is an especially illustrative example. While that process got a boost in and since the 60s (in Germany as well), and before may have been boosted by the excesses of manliness being perverted in the developements that led to WWII, it nevertheless is a long-lasting cultural erosion that imo goes back until the uindustrial revolution, when man became comparavble and exchangable with the machine and by that necessarily loost part of his value and dignity as a human. Capitalism, for which man is just another form of capital investement, and totalitarian ideologies coming to rise, of course helped massively in this.

Yesterday or tweo day ago, in anothe rthread, I mentioned the infantilsation that our present society, it'S rules of behavior and our media formats are being haunted by. This also has something to do with it.

Last, there was the extreme polarisation at the other end of the specturm that wasd caused by feminism, and from that: a trend thatnot only wanted equality of women, but in fact led to a demonisation of manly qualities - although one must admit that some of the more reasonable, open-minded feminsts in the past 10 years or so have seen this trend as dangerous, too, and started to relative their own once extremist positions in order to counter-steer this demonisation of everything male in quality.

How could all this happen? The rise of the machiones. And a general decline of cultural integrity that just is part of the hsitoric cycle every ower and every empire must undergo: rise, climax, fall. For us Westerners i thge present time, the wheel of time no longer is moving upwards, but downwards. Like Rome declined last but not least in decadence, lacking both the will and the vitality to defend itself, we seem to suffer the same fate now. Desintegration of social consent on vital values is just a symptom of the bigger event unfolding all around us. Socieities are the more complex the more "civilised" they are, but everything in nature that dies again, does so in hierarchical layers, with the more complex superstructures collapsing first, making the underlying, earlier and more primitive structures that had been surpassed, more obvious again. From bottom to top you build it, from top to bottom it collapses again.

[Jimbuna]

That article is funny. It even has an obligatory chamberlain reference.
I did wonder what on earth he was going on about, then I realised it was just a typical NRA talk radio showcase for gun nuts.

Aw come on....it makes a change from the US bashing posts of late.

[Tribesman]

Aw come on....it makes a change from the US bashing posts of late.
yes but honestly, who on earth would swallow that crap?(OK apart from the fellow on a current break who had severe paranoid hysteria about raging mobs coming to get him:03:).
The article is just a reworking from the French riots with a few words swapped, the same dodgy stats and made up "facts".

[MH]

Wanna be men....go to war.:arrgh!:

Seriously though what is the talk about losing of manhood since industrial revolution.
Industrial revolution allowed the rise of middle class.
How people had been living before that?


Its more about people who don't care anymore about their country.
Feel cheated by politicians.
Being an English has no meaning to them anymore.
Death of some sort of national pride,unity and what comes with it maybe?

Its a tribal war.

[Oberon]

yes but honestly, who on earth would swallow that crap?(OK apart from the fellow on a current break who had severe paranoid hysteria about raging mobs coming to get him:03:).
The article is just a reworking from the French riots with a few words swapped, the same dodgy stats and made up "facts".

I was thinking the same thing.

Ah well...back to the kettle chaps.

http://www.dpsscreenprint.com/productImages/94.jpg

[Tribesman]

I was thinking the same thing.

Well maybe there is a point...Britain is worse for violence than even South Africa.
See the point is that you don't even have to see that Mr gun nut is taking his manlyness statistics from the Daily Mail to know that is absolutlely laughable.

[STEED]

David Cameron is getting...ROBUST.

And

I'm getting bored of him saying it.

[Torplexed]

http://colevoors.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/keep-calm-poster-framed.jpg http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/6/c6aaf84b-4c39-41b0-bb4f-0d33ab57ae20.jpg

[BossMark]

I'm getting bored of him saying it.
Every time I see this idiot I get very bored and want to vomit

[Oberon]

Robust is definitely the word of the month. Everyone is saying it. :damn:

[jumpy]

With London succumbing to looters and muggers, it’s time to ask what happened to the once-manly English people. The August 9 issue of the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/UK-riots-2011-London-Birmingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html),

oops, I got as far as 'daily mail' then stopped reading :oops:

[sidslotm]

oops, I got as far as 'daily mail' then stopped reading


"Sleepy London town is no place for a street fighting man"


who said that:yeah:

[Oberon]

oops, I got as far as 'daily mail' then stopped reading :oops:

Yeah, I think most British people (with the exception perhaps of Comrade Riley) would have done the same. :03:

[Hottentot]

Yeah, I think most British people (with the exception perhaps of Comrade Riley) would have done the same. :03:

We should really have some sort of master list of "avoid these magazines like a plague" from different countries. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

We should really have some sort of master list of "avoid these magazines like a plague" from different countries. :hmmm:

I don't think Neal has enough bandwidth for that... :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

oops, I got as far as 'daily mail' then stopped reading
Well be fair it does quote the guardian which is fairly reliable....“shows England and Wales as the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime.”...though strangely enough neither the cited article or the survey it mentions give the resuts that are desired by mr. gunnut.
But I suppose a pattern of falling crime rates but still toppng a poll of 17 countries on car crime wouldn't quite fit the bill for his piece would it:rotfl2:

[August]

oops, I got as far as 'daily mail' then stopped reading :oops:


:DL I do the same thing when someone quotes the New York Times.

It's difficult enough to separate fact from fiction in domestic news sources. It must be doubly difficult to do so with foreign news.

[Jimbuna]

We should really have some sort of master list of "avoid these magazines like a plague" from different countries. :hmmm:

Or even "avoid these posters" perhaps.

[Madox58]

Meh!!
:nope:
Jim,
I don't mind the Posters or the things they post in anyway.
(I did use the water bottle thing to light my outback shed!! 50% alcohol as an anti-freeze added thought)
We have the choice to ignore the post or not take part in it.

(Of which I believe is impossible given the fact that Neal has designed,
AND run General Topics with Malice aforethought ! It has also proven to be addictive!!)
:D

[Jimbuna]

Meh!!
:nope:
Jim,
I don't mind the Posters or the things they post in anyway.
(I did use the water bottle thing to light my outback shed!! 50% alcohol as an anti-freeze added thought)
We have the choice to ignore the post or not take part in it.

(Of which I believe is impossible given the fact that Neal has designed,
AND run General Topics with Malice aforethought ! It has also proven to be addictive!!)
:D

Aye...no argument there :DL

[Rockstar]

England used to be a country of men


Well heck, there's yer problem.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/artist/p/pet_shop_boys/az_official/281x211.jpg :har:



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[Jimbuna]

England used to be a country of men


Well heck, there's yer problem

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/artist/p/pet_shop_boys/az_official/281x211.jpg :har:

Heaven forbid!! :dead:

[Castout]

It may be a mirror of the state of society or some part of the society.

Anti social or any other social behavior disorder such as the common psychopathy may be the cause. They are probably on the rise. Not much is campaigned against them or to raise awareness because the disorder esp psychopathy have become common place now and their actions even often taken as norm.

Why? It may be a combination of many factors, such as poor education, low income, poor parenting, genes, and bad immediate environment or influences.

It's not liberalism to be blamed it is simply degeneration of young people who lose touch with their humanity and unable to think critically. People can find excuses be it on the lack of spirituality or religious belief as moral guidance but those are free to be taken by anyone. So ultimately people are responsible for who they are. And sadly people no longer care who or how much a gentle or noble man they are. All they see is desires, their own. This is as much true on those thugs on the streets as ones in power in some corners of the world.

It's a regression of mankind in general.

If this were to happen in USA it would be far far worse imo.

[TheSatyr]

Nothing new here. Riots have been going on for as long as man has lived in cities. Rome had them,I'm sure Athens did,Kyoto did etc etc.

There will always be one group or another that thinks it can get it's way through intimidation and destruction. It has nothing to do with "degeneration", It's just one of the dark sides of human nature.

[Castout]

Nothing new here. Riots have been going on for as long as man has lived in cities. Rome had them,I'm sure Athens did,Kyoto did etc etc.

There will always be one group or another that thinks it can get it's way through intimidation and destruction. It has nothing to do with "degeneration", It's just one of the dark sides of human nature.

Come to think that we are waay more educated than they were.

Enlightment should be the crown of education.

If people today are the same with people of a thousand year ago I will say that as a regression.

[yubba]

I guess you all got too civilized for your own good, again I say no accountablity, on either side ,and for gods sake grow a set and stop this stupid sh_t.

[jumpy]

Or even "avoid these posters" perhaps.

:DL Got nothing against the OP raising the topic, we do have the advantage of knowing the particular spin regarding the source, however, so we shouldn't hold that against him.

England used to be a country of men


Well heck, there's yer problem.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/artist/p/pet_shop_boys/az_official/281x211.jpg :har:



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oi! nothing wrong with the pet hop boys... 'west end girls' was an awesome song; turned me on to elecro pop like 'can I play with madness' (iron maiden) did for metal :cool:

[Feuer Frei!]

:DL Got nothing against the OP raising the topic,
Well, I am actually wondering about that now, the original referral by Jim, as to the "posters like these".
If that's referring to me or the supposed gun nuts or whatever else you want to describe them as.
If it is referring to me then all I can say is, it beats posting mundane, boring, monotonous one-liner posts that disappear very quickly into the deep dark chasm of SUBSIM's dust bin.
And why ignore postesr like these? If we are indeed referring to me?
Are we now talking about censoring? Censoring can be done in a few ways.
Not by inciting we should ignore posters like these.
I am welcoming the thought that indeed we are not referring to my posts as that would be slightly disappointing.
Ignoring posters like the alleged gun nut, then that's a matter for the members to take upon themselves.
Isn't that what we do with all posts posted here? Either ignore or leave our mark in the thread.
Yes, yes. The people will come out and say now: " ah but if you didn't post clap trap like this" or " if you actually bothered to read the article before posting it" or "the OP believes in ALL posts that he posts and that makes his 'posting credibility' (if there is such a thing) go down the tube, then so be it.
I post these matters not to alienate myself or to get off-key with members.
I post these articles to invite discussion.
If you don't want to have a discussion on the subject matter posted, then guess what? Don't post in it.
Simple? You bet your backside.
If you don't want to contribute something constructive to the thread, don't post in it.
If you have a mature and civil desire to refute the claims posted, then by all means.
Now, I apologise to Jim beforehand if indeed he did not call me out, and infact called out the gun nut poster.
NOTE: Not every single post here will agree with every single member's ideals and morals and thought processes and wishes in life.
If that were the case, I'd give up posting stuff on GT right now. How boring.

[Hottentot]

:DL I do the same thing when someone quotes the New York Times.

See what I mean? I could easily tell you which Finnish papers not to take seriously, but what would be the point of that when they're in Finnish anyway? But I have only a faint idea of the credibility of other papers.

Then again, Oberon is likely right. Such list would probably blow up the Internet.

Or even "avoid these posters" perhaps.

Unfair, I wouldn't have any friends after that.

[Tribesman]

Feuer Frei, I don't think anyone is calling you out on anything, the comments are about the article. After all it is by a very active NRA propogandist written in the NRO and he is using made up "facts" and daily mail articles as the foundation for his "opinion" piece.

I post these articles to invite discussion.
If you don't want to have a discussion on the subject matter posted, then guess what? Don't post in it.

It created discussion, it created discussion on the subject and on the subject matter.
I think you are reading the topic wrong, you are putting 2+2 together and getting they called me 7.
It would be a different kettle of fish if you did cut and paste an article and added your own comment that you fully supported what the writer had written, but you didn't.

[Feuer Frei!]

Feuer Frei, I don't think anyone is calling you out on anything, the comments are about the article. After all it is by a very active NRA propogandist written in the NRO and he is using made up "facts" and daily mail articles as the foundation for his "opinion" piece.


It created discussion, it created discussion on the subject and on the subject matter.
I think you are reading the topic wrong, you are putting 2+2 together and getting they called me 7.
It would be a different kettle of fish if you did cut and paste an article and added your own comment that you fully supported what the writer had written, but you didn't.
Thanks for that. It is easy to assume or misinterpret things that are said on a online forum.

[Skybird]

Obviously, trying to sort newspapers for "good" and "bad" ones, depends much on the level of agreement the reader has with its comments and focus of reports. It makes little sense to try this, therefore.

One can however differentiate between newspapers qualifying for the label of "yellow press/boulevard paper" (Daily Mail, Bild Sun), newpapers that can be shown to just paste and copy other paper'S articles (common habit in many online editions), newspapers that demonstrably lie, forge and/or manipulate raw information (making them essentially unclever propaganda outlets, for propganda works the worst the more easily it is perceived as propaganda), and newspapers that try to report just by the sources that most others use, too. You can sometimes even agree with the working mode of a paper even if in general it does not reflect your political own position. And it is nothing wrong to spend some time seeing things from the other side's point of view.

The quality of sources is not touched by this. Also the personal attitude of the audience regarding what to accept as an authority or not. Some will believe something because it is said by some office holder they sympathise with, others may believe something because it is a certain institution releasing the statement/info.

[Jimbuna]

Damn!!...time delay between last viewing and post by Feuer Frei! (0346 GMT).

My comments were aimed solely at the article...with hindsight I should have been a tad clearer.

If they'd have been aimed at an individual I would have used the PM function so as not to inflame a thread.

IMO Tribesman summed the situation up admirably in his last post here.

QFT


It is easy to assume or misinterpret things that are said on a online forum.

[Egan]

:DL


oi! nothing wrong with the pet hop boys... 'west end girls' was an awesome song; turned me on to elecro pop like 'can I play with madness' (iron maiden) did for metal :cool:


Pet Shop Boys are ace. and Jumpy is spot on: West End Girls is a brilliant song, one of my favourites, in fact.

[Oberon]

Pet Shop Boys are ace. and Jumpy is spot on: West End Girls is a brilliant song, one of my favourites, in fact.

Huzzah! Last time I said that in this forum I got the point and laugh treatment. :nope:

[Egan]

Huzzah! Last time I said that in this forum I got the point and laugh treatment. :nope:

It's a variant of the Mods and Rockers thing you know.

[Jimbuna]

Huzzah! Last time I said that in this forum I got the point and laugh treatment. :nope:

And rightly so :O:

The young gentleman living at the back of me is a big fan of the Pet Shop Boys and in the summer months especially he has a habit of blasting his stereo daily....until I ring his father who is a mate of mine and threaten to switch the sprinkler system to 'rear facing' :DL

[TheSatyr]

It's a variant of the Mods and Rockers thing you know.

<<<Is a Mocker (Wait...didn't Ringo once say that???) :har:

[Rockstar]

Whats a west end girl and an east end boy? I'm telling ya these Pet Shop Boys are the downfall of real men in Brit society just as Scoobie Doo was to cartoons. It's all gone down hill from there I tell ya.

[jumpy]

Whats a west end girl and an east end boy? I'm telling ya these Pet Shop Boys are the downfall of real men in Brit society just as Scoobie Doo was to cartoons. It's all gone down hill from there I tell ya.

Well, it was the 80's after all (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1729082&posted=1#post1729082)
:D

[Sailor Steve]

England hasn't been a country of men since they let the first woman be in charge. :O:









Insert retaliatory attack on poor innocent chauvinistic nationalistic stuck-up Steve here.
:rotfl2:

[Osmium Steele]

England hasn't been a country of men since they let the first woman be in charge. :O:


Elizabeth I?

http://www.marileecody.com/gloriana/elizabetharmada2.jpg

[Tribesman]

Elizabeth I?

Bloody Mary, Jane & Matilda?
I suppose Boudica wouldn't count.

[Jimbuna]

I'll stick with Maggie...being a copper at the time meant I didn't do too badly out of her reign :smug:

[Sailor Steve]

Bloody Mary, Jane & Matilda?
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines.

I suppose Boudica wouldn't count.
Why not? Well, I guess she could be described as a little "pre-English". :sunny:

[Tribesman]

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines.

Just think of the overtime Jim could have raked in during those times of mass civil disturbances, it makes Maggies little ideological disturbances seem like childs play

[Rockstar]

I know where they went they all left for Austrialia! :O:

[Penguin]

Oh, Tommies! And I thought you were so rugged!

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8179/montypythonlumberjack.jpg

[Schöneboom]

Theodore Dalrymple hit it right on the head, I think:

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_4_otbie-british_character.html

[STEED]

I'll stick with Maggie...being a copper at the time meant I didn't do too badly out of her reign :smug:

WHAT!

You won the Iron Cross 1st class?

Lucky git.

[Jimbuna]

WHAT!

You won the Iron Cross 1st class?

Lucky git.

LOL...a couple of commendations for bravery and that was it :DL

[Oberon]

LOL...a couple of commendations for bravery and that was it :DL

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!

[Sailor Steve]

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!
It's hard to call it bravery when you're the biggest baddest dude anyone knows. :D

[Jimbuna]

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!

LOL

It's hard to call it bravery when you're the biggest baddest dude anyone knows. :D

Nah, not really....once was in front of the wife in a shopping precinct with many women and children about so there simply wasn't any other option.

The other was as a result of a stab wound to the leg and it's possible you'd have been like me beforehand, simply not knowing how you might react.

Well believe you me you act like a crazy, circumstances permitting....you've been violated in a way you could never imagine and the red mist descends and hopefully you overcome or at least disarm the piece of crap before they have another go.

I'm honestly not sure who got the biggest fright, me feeling the initial pain or him realising what he had done.

The bit I won't tell you is the fact there were four or five colleagues within a few metres.....and nurses have a fantastic passion for injured uniforms :DL

[Sailor Steve]

Of course I was just teasing. No matter how big or strong, skin and muscle are no match for a blade or a bullet, or even a bat. I know you deserved those commendations, and take my hat off to your inner toughness, which is what really counts. :sunny:

[Jimbuna]

Of course I was just teasing. No matter how big or strong, skin and muscle are no match for a blade or a bullet, or even a bat. I know you deserved those commendations, and take my hat off to your inner toughness, which is what really counts. :sunny:
Mrs Buna read this and said "He's a lovely friend to have".

One question....where were you two months ago when I was on a weekend course!!? :stare:

:03:

[Oberon]

:haha: Yes, I was only kidding Jim. I know those don't get handed out on the back of cornflakes packets :03:

[Sailor Steve]

One question....where were you two months ago when I was on a weekend course!!? :stare:

:03:
Hiding in my closet, of course! I'm not saying I'm a coward, I'm just saying I'm a little...well... ... B'gawk!

[Jimbuna]

:haha: Yes, I was only kidding Jim. I know those don't get handed out on the back of cornflakes packets :03:

Oh Jeebus!! I know that....us Geordies aren't totally devoid of a sense of humour like you southerners :DL

Hiding in my closet, of course! I'm not saying I'm a coward, I'm just saying I'm a little...well... ... B'gawk!

Don't tell me you misinterpreted the caustic humour/tone in my last response to you? :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Oh Jeebus!! I know that....us Geordies aren't totally devoid of a sense of humour like you southerners :DL

Cheeky bugger, us southerners have a sense of humour alright. Why the hell do you think Westminster is down south? Biggest bloody joke in the UK! ;)

[Sailor Steve]

Don't tell me you misinterpreted the caustic humour/tone in my last response to you? :hmmm:
Who knows? I wouldn't be surprised though.

[Jimbuna]

Cheeky bugger, us southerners have a sense of humour alright. Why the hell do you think Westminster is down south? Biggest bloody joke in the UK! ;)

Hehe...true that :DL

[Jimbuna]

Who knows? I wouldn't be surprised though.

Right then, let me explain :DL

Mrs Buna reads your post:


Of course I was just teasing. No matter how big or strong, skin and muscle are no match for a blade or a bullet, or even a bat. I know you deserved those commendations, and take my hat off to your inner toughness, which is what really counts. :sunny:


Her response:


Mrs Buna read this and said "He's a lovely friend to have".


My response to the above comment but directed at you:


One question....where were you two months ago when I was on a weekend course!!? :stare:

:03:


Meaning......Why should Mrs Buna speak so well of you?

Is there something I should know?

I was away recently...were you here in my place?

Aw Heck Steve....the sarcastic, caustic call it what you will Brit humour only works if you get its meaning first time round :DL

[Growler]

Aw Heck Steve....the sarcastic, caustic call it what you will Brit humour only works if you get its meaning first time round :DL

Two countries, separated by a common ability to misinterpret each other.:DL

[Penguin]

Two countries, separated by a common ability to misinterpret each other.:DL

and by the temperature of the beer ;)

[Jimbuna]

Two countries, separated by a common ability to misinterpret each other.:DL

and by the temperature of the beer ;)

Very true :DL

Hey!...whose beer your on about? :stare:

[August]

Room temperature beer is just barbaric! :dead:

[Penguin]

Very true :DL

Hey!...whose beer your on about? :stare:

well, you guys threw out the parents of the inventor of the fridge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Evans

I heard the declaration of independence had a slightly different text in the first draft. "When in the course of human events, evil savages force us to drink warm beer...." :know:

8°C is the recommended drinking temperature for our yummy brew - so I'll side with the Yanks here :O:

[Jimbuna]

LOL....actually, also presuming you reside in Germany, I must admit to having had some of my tastiest drinking memories from your country :yep:

It's just a pity you can't drink it in sufficient/Brit quantities to fully appreciate the taste :O:

[Gerald]

Room temperature beer is just barbaric! :dead: :agree:

[Jimbuna]

Room temperature beer is just barbaric! :dead:

I always thought similarly until I tried a few chemical-free real ale brews....just a few degrees below, nothing more.