Corregidor Fortress

[AJ94CAP]

Has anyone ever done/ attempted a Corregidor Fortress mod? As it stands, the enterance to Manila Bay is gaurded by a small uninhabited island. It should be bristling with anti aircraft guns and shore batteries, as well as the barracks, hospital, etc. Anyone interested? :yep:

[Torplexed]

Some of the "concrete battleships" like Fort Drum which guarded the entrance to Manila Bay would be cool too. :D

http://www.warofourfathers.com/war/585x390/027philippines_585x390o.jpg

[Armistead]

You can add all the guns, etc., and prolly pick landscape if there is one small enough. The issue is it would add lil flavor to the game as Manila is lost during your first patrol. You could script some traffic in, but my sub will be out on the seas, not watching Manila.

Later war when we have Subic as a sub base, you do have more patrols, gun and even several Jap air attacks using RSRD.

[WernherVonTrapp]

It's an interesting concept for sure but apparently, even the real fortress did little in stopping the Japanese.

[AJ94CAP]

Oh I know but during my first patrol I got a radio message from "X" when Corregidor falls and it just got me thinking. :cool:

[Torplexed]

It's an interesting concept for sure but apparently, even the real fortress did little in stopping the Japanese.

It didn't do much to stop the advance of the Japanese Imperial Army on land. It did however, deny the Japanese the use of the biggest port and docks in the Philippines at Manila for months. No thin-skinned cargo ship would dare to pass under those guns, forcing the Japanese to rely on many inefficient smaller ports throughout Luzon to offload supplies for the army and upsetting the Japanese timetable. Japanese General Masaharu Homma, who conquered the Philippines in five months instead of the projected two months, ended up being relieved of his command.

[WernherVonTrapp]

It didn't do much to stop the advance of the Japanese Imperial Army on land. It did however, deny the Japanese the use of the biggest port and docks in the Philippines at Manila for months. Oh I'm completely aware of that. So, what the Japanese did was work their way around a static defensive position. There's no doubt that it kept the Japanese from bringing in supplies directly to Manila but then again, we didn't really need Manila to take the Philippinnes back either.
I think a lot of the Japanese army's initiative was delayed by the American/Philippinne fighting men. If the Japanese had taken Manila, they may have shortened their engagement by perhaps a month but, they still had to negotiate the jungles in order to fight, regardless of where their supplies came from. Heck, on Guadalcanal they sometimes couldn't make it through a few miles of jungle.

In the grander scope of the war, it simply delayed (for a very short time) the inevitable. Manila was declared an open city despite Corregidor.

[Armistead]

Can't remember the JP commander over the Philippines when we invaded, but he ordered all JP troops out of Manila to protect the historic and rare architecture there. Some other commander of the JP marines disobeyed orders and stayed, causing street warfare and the destruction of most of this historic architecture.

The bigger debate is why did we invade the Philippines at all, except mostly due to Mac's ego.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Can't remember the JP commander over the Philippines when we invaded, but he ordered all JP troops out of Manila to protect the historic and rare architecture there. Some other commander of the JP marines disobeyed orders and stayed, causing street warfare and the destruction of most of this historic architecture.

The bigger debate is why did we invade the Philippines at all, except mostly due to Mac's ego.Yeah, and it's a shame that had to happen to that historic city. It just goes to show how fragmented the factious elements within their own armed forces were. Both the IJN and the IJA suffered from this, though I believe it was more prevalent in the IJA.

Two good books that cover MacArthur's controversial endearments and command decisions involving the Philippinnes are,
American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur 1880 - 1964 by William Manchester
and
The Eagle and the Rising Sun: The Japanese-American War, 1941-1943: Pearl Harbor through Guadalcanal by Alan Schom.

Alan Schom's book is particularly scathing about MacArthur where American Caesar is more forgiving.

BTW, I meant that the U.S. had declared Manila an open city, after the Japanese invasion. Still, the Japanese bombed it anyway.:nope:

[Torplexed]

Can't remember the JP commander over the Philippines when we invaded, but he ordered all JP troops out of Manila to protect the historic and rare architecture there. Some other commander of the JP marines disobeyed orders and stayed, causing street warfare and the destruction of most of this historic architecture.

The bigger debate is why did we invade the Philippines at all, except mostly due to Mac's ego.

Tomoyuki Yama****ta the Army commander in the Philippines in 1944, had not planned to defend Manila. He ordered Admiral Iwabuchi, commander of 31 Base Force, to demolish the port facilities before withdrawing from the city. However, Iwabuchi seems to have regarded orders from an officer of the rival service as mere suggestions, and he had been humiliated by the loss of his battleship off Guadalcanal and was apparently burning for revenge. He chose to fight to the death for the city with the 30,000 men under his command. :down:

Apparently subsim's naughty word censoring system considers Yama****a's name a dirty word. :rotfl2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyuki_Yama****a

[WernherVonTrapp]

Apparently subsim's naughty word censoring system considers Yama****a's name a dirty word. :rotfl2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyuki_Yama****a
Yeah, I noticed that too. Still, because of the censoring, I was able to fill in the blanks and complete the name.:har:

[Torplexed]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Still, because of the censoring, I was able to fill in the blanks and complete the name.:har:

We may have to change his name to General Yamapoopa. :D

[WernherVonTrapp]

We may have to change his name to General Yamapoopa. :DHoly shinto, I think you're onto something here.:haha:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4GhYFI7x7m0/SWffvFD99fI/AAAAAAAAAbE/omoyqUDXtiM/s320/Beverly-Hills-Ninja-ps02.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2: Yamapoopa is good.

As for Corregidor and the 'concrete battleships', they may or may not have been much use overall, but they are like the Kiel Canal Bridges or a lot of other harbor stuff. In fact the Canal itself wasn't part of SH3 until a creative modder put it there, as well as the Panama and Suez Canals. Part of the fun for me is seeing them there, useful or not.

[AJ94CAP]

:rotfl2: Yamapoopa is good.

As for Corregidor and the 'concrete battleships', they may or may not have been much use overall, but they are like the Kiel Canal Bridges or a lot of other harbor stuff. In fact the Canal itself wasn't part of SH3 until a creative modder put it there, as well as the Panama and Suez Canals. Part of the fun for me is seeing them there, useful or not.

My thoughts exactly.:up:

[TorpX]

The issue is it would add lil flavor to the game as Manila is lost during your first patrol. You could script some traffic in, but my sub will be out on the seas, not watching Manila.


While Manila may have fallen much earlier, Corregedor held out until May 6, 1942. It might have little meaning to those based at Pearl, but would be important to the Asiatic fleet in the early part of the war. Aside from the scenery, there should be special missions to drop supplies and evacuate personnel there. Also, there should be a IJN assault force there at the appropriate time. (I assume this is not in RSRDC.)



The origial purpose of Corregidor was the same as all such harbor forts; to prevent enemy fleets from easily sailing into/raiding friendly harbors. It was never thought that they could prevent or repel full-scale invasion. All seacoast fortifications became less effective/useful in the age of airpower.


For anyone interested, there is a good book about Corregidor in WWII:

CORREGIDOR: THE ROCK FORCE ASSAULT by Gen. E. M. Flanagan Jr.

[Armistead]

I thought about it, but really not much shipping going on directly there. Be nice if a S boat could haul Lil Mac out. RSRD has some shipping there and a few air attacks.

The goal of RSRD was more a sub at sea, not the land battles, although lurker put several in. He mostly scripted TF, not the US invasion forces, but some is there. He did place all the historic landings of the Philippines almost to perfection. I added some other invasion forces for flavor, such as US landings at Tinian, Iwo, etc...

Not a historian, but I don't think the Japs had much shipping or attacks coming through Corregidor, most was landed more north as they surrounded the city.