GWX3 minefields question

[andqui]

I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person.

How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them?

thanks

[Sailor Steve]

North Sea Mine Barrage, GWX3.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Silent%20Hunter%20Screenshots/Mines.jpg

[sublynx]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.:damn:

[pditty8811]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.:damn:

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

[frau kaleun]

5 Words.

Draggable TGA's in navigation screen.

-pditty8811

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late ;)), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

[Capt. Morgan]

I passed through a British minefield on my pre-war shakedown cruise (almost ending my career before the war had started:doh:).

Regarding density, watching through the external cam, I'd say the mines were placed about 5 boat lengths apart - so every 300 meters or so. Looked dense enough to me, although I did manage to make it out alive.

The location of the British home water minefields (which IIRC, were widely published in order to prevent accidental merchant sinkings) are accurate, as I am sure are all the others. I was surprised to find them in place in August/'39.

[max-peck]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.:damn:

Glad it's not just me that's hit a mine and ended a career near Helgoland

[Jimbuna]

I can't use my mission editor, so I can't check this in person.

How well does GWX3 simulate minefields? I've come back to SH3 after a gap of a few years, and I remember at the time it was impossible to simulate minefields of the proper density due to processor load- has this been improved? There were other barrages laid by the British in the North Sea to get Uboats in transit, with a number of successes- are these in the GWX3 campaign files? If not, is there any easy way to add them?

thanks

The minefield locations in GWX3.0 are based on official admiralty charts given to the GWX development team by an author of published WWII literature.

As far as I am aware they have never been released to the public and as such the dev team manager of the project Kpt. Lehmann was asked not to share them publicly.

If I hear to the contrary I would be more than willing to share my copies of them in this community.

Why not PM him?

[Fish In The Water]

North Sea Mine Barrage, GWX3.

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing... :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing... :hmmm:
They're underwater, so surface ships can safely pass over. If you get into trouble and have to dive, you may be in trouble for real.

[Jimbuna]

Plus some of the minefields have been sown at varying depths and surface traffic has been scripted away from said areas.

On occasion when attacking surface traffic their zig zagging will mean they wander into the edge of the minefield with the obvious resulting consequence.

Very bad weather can also cause them to drift into said danger areas.

[Paul Riley]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.:damn:

Good god! thats my home base! :o
Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

[Paul Riley]

Nope, sorry... the drag-down maps and charts don't show mines laid by the British. They only show the mines and subnets placed by the Germans along the approaches to their own friendly harbors. The location of those defenses would be known to the Kriegsmarine, and GWX provides it accordingly.

The location of British/Allied mines dropped in random locations in the hopes of blowing up KM ships would not be available to you as a KM officer (at least not until it's too late ;)), so GWX does not provide you with any charts for that sort of thing. If you want to know where the Allied minefields are (without actually sailing into one) you have to interrogate the Mission Editor.

What sublynx is talking about are the mines laid by the British around Helgoland just after the war started, which have made many a hapless kaleun go *kaboom* when he decided to pass too close to the island after departing Wili. Has nothing to do with the German defenses of that harbor that are shown on the draggable chart.

When leaving Wili I generally stick fairly close to the Dutch coastline,I have really had no reason to go near this Helgoland.I would have thought mines were submerged objects,so they were on the surface?

[Paul Riley]

My hull must be made out of magnetic repellent, 'cause I cruise through there routinely and never seem to hit a thing... :hmmm:

Same here mate :hmmm:
I've never hit a mine yet,and I frequently pass through the channel,at least during the early part of the war :dead:

[sublynx]

Good god! thats my home base! :o
Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!


There's a minefield close to the port that the Germans have put there, to protect the base from Prien kind of sneakiness from the British side. Farther out at sea, at least North of Helgoland, maybe elsewhere too, there are mines that the British have put there - the killjoys, trying to stop our raids to the British shores short :down:

[Paul Riley]

Plus some of the minefields have been sown at varying depths and surface traffic has been scripted away from said areas.

On occasion when attacking surface traffic their zig zagging will mean they wander into the edge of the minefield with the obvious resulting consequence.

Very bad weather can also cause them to drift into said danger areas.

Interesting Jim,because as I was leaving Wili on this patrol a few days ago we spotted a glow on the eastern horizon,after checking through my binos it was a ship on fire,could he have hit a mine then? :doh:
God knows what nationality it was!

[Jimbuna]

Certainly not beyond the realms of possibility.

[frau kaleun]

Good god! thats my home base! :o
Why on earth would they put mines around their own ports?,to prevent the British sneaking in?!

All the Axis bases have ASW defenses, why wouldn't they? There's a war on, lol. You put defenses around your own harbors because you can tell your own people where they are. You just don't tell the enemy where they are. Mostly they are around the edges of the harbor entrances, as long as you stay in the middle of the channel in and out (or just follow your minesweeper escort, that's what he's there for) you should be fine. At any rate there is a drag-down chart in your Nav Map screen that shows you where they are.

There's no reason for a vessel that is welcome in the harbor not to run right up the middle of the channel. With the enemy it's a different matter and as was noted above, the defenses are there to keep them from sneaking in undetected.

[Obltn Strand]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island. How do I know? Well, one of careers ended there... Now I HATE leaving Wilhelmshaven.:damn:

Glad it's not just me that's hit a mine and ended a career near Helgoland

Most of my mine encounters have happened near Helgoland. First crawl through Kiel kanal; bang; and grey wolf limps to Helgoland port to lick it's wounds.

[Jimbuna]

British minefields at Helgoland

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1359/unled3ig.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/143/unled3ig.jpg/)

[Obltn Strand]

That was one picture I didn't wanted to see, altough I'm pissed about those minefields.

Tommies mine Helgoland, so I sink their ships:arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

They aren't there all that long :DL

[Woolfman]

There's also mines near the exit routes from Wilhelmshaven, north of Helgoland Island.

I ended a career near Helgoland too.:damn: I suspected it was a minefield for a few weeks now...but you guys confirm it. It definitively adds to the dangers of sailing it the North sea. Cant wait to visit the CB at Brest next year!

At least sailing through the Bay of Biscay should be safer...for a while that is!

woolfman

:salute:

[Fish In The Water]

There's a war on, lol. You put defenses around your own harbors because you can tell your own people where they are. You just don't tell the enemy where they are.

What we seem to have here is a failure to communicate. Perhaps if we all got together and 'talked it out' there wouldn't have to be a war on...

Naaahhh, where would the fun be in that? :D

[Sailor Steve]

Tommies mine Helgoland, so I sink their ships:arrgh!:
I bet they see it a little differently.
:rotfl2:

[Capt. Morgan]

...There's no reason for a vessel that is welcome in the harbor not to run right up the middle of the channel.

Just like HMS Cambeltown did at St. Nazaire.

[Sailor Steve]

Yeah but those guys were crazy. :rotfl2:

Also at St. Nazaire straight up the central channel is pretty much all there is.

Most subnets ran all the way across harbors, and were attached either to a motor system or a tugboat which pulled them aside when friendly ships were entering or leaving.

[Obltn Strand]

I bet they see it a little differently.
:rotfl2:

Payback is a payback is a payback, especially in a form of burning tanker :hmm2:

[Capt. Morgan]

...
Most subnets ran all the way across harbors, and were attached either to a motor system or a tugboat which pulled them aside when friendly ships were entering or leaving.

Now that would be a cool mod.

[frau kaleun]

Now that would be a cool mod.

Hey now, don't be giving anyone any bright ideas. I've already ended at least two careers hung up on the darn locks. :damn: :O:

[Missing Name]

Mines are also common in the Channel. Shocking.

I did torp a large merchant there. It sank and hit a mine on the way down... :-?

[Fish In The Water]

I did torp a large merchant there. It sank and hit a mine on the way down... :-?

Good plan... Use their own ships to clear the minefield. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Eastern entrance to the Channel

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/5083/unledhk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/814/unledhk.jpg/)