San Francisco circumcision ban struck from ballot

[Gerald]

A San Francisco judge has struck a proposed male circumcision ban from a November ballot, ruling that the city cannot regulate medical procedure and citing religious freedom protections.

The ruling was applauded by opponents of the proposed ban, who attacked it as anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim.

In May, advocates of a ban gathered enough voter signatures to put the measure on the city's ballot.

They described the sacred rite for Jews and Muslims as "genital mutilation".

The measure, which qualified in May for a spot on the ballot, would have made circumcision of a minor boy punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 (£612) fine.

The US federal government already bans female circumcision.

Jewish and Muslim groups said the proposal was an assault on their ancient religious practice and likened the proposal to circumcision bans in the Soviet Union.

Lloyd Schofield described the ancient Jewish and Muslim rite as "forced genital cutting"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14335715


Note: 28 July 2011 Last updated at 21:21 GMT

[Skybird]

Stupid judge, stupid religions. Obviously both suffered a circumcision right between their ears.

Lets not circumcise them, but cut their balls off. In the name of evolution, I mean.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Stupid judge, stupid religions. Obviously both suffered a circumcision right between their ears.
Do you mean this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aNILW6ILk) procedure? :hmmm:

[Gerald]

It's lobotomy ....:yep:

[krashkart]

It's lobotomy ....:yep:

:rotfl2:

[CaptainMattJ.]

well, me personally being circumsized, i can say theres nothing wrong with my equipment and accessories. It doesnt affect anything. Female circumcision, however, lobs off the clitoris, and THAT is mutilation and is rightfully banned.

[MH]

Stupid judge, stupid religions. Obviously both suffered a circumcision right between their ears.

Lets not circumcise them, but cut their balls off. In the name of evolution, I mean.


Sometimes evolution takes care of itself....:03:

[Gerald]

Some have no "balls" and then it becomes less of a problem :D

[antikristuseke]

well, me personally being circumsized, i can say theres nothing wrong with my equipment and accessories. It doesnt affect anything. Female circumcision, however, lobs off the clitoris, and THAT is mutilation and is rightfully banned.

Both are mutilation in my book, just one is worse than the other.

[Jimbuna]

Great topic...not :hmmm:

[AngusJS]

I didn't know that freedom of religion allows you to mutilate your child's body without his consent.

[MH]

I didn't know that freedom of religion allows you to mutilate your child's body without his consent.

As if you really know something about it.

[AngusJS]

As if you really know something about it.

What I do know is that you do not own your children, and that the only body that you own is your own.

Forcing an unnecessary permanent change in your child's body even though he has not consented and cannot consent is pretty obviously wrong whether religiously motivated, or not.

Indeed, if circumcision is protected by the First Amendment, then a whole slew of procedures would also be protected, like tatooing, piercing, etc. - things that would rightly be considered child abuse. Circumcision is different only because it is widespread and traditional. But that doesn't make it right.

Do you understand that?

[MH]

What I do know is that you do not own your children, and that the only body that you own is your own.

Forcing an unnecessary permanent change in your child's body even though he has not consented and cannot consent is pretty obviously wrong whether religiously motivated, or not.


Very deep and thoughtfull...
Thank you foreskin man:salute:

http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/e475miapjc5fapd4ml5oufgizcp6ixcpkhslm3n262ovy6kbwp mtmshnafodv62dm7i2iljqoue7o4if5bbn4qlrlwa/img20110603a.jpg

[gimpy117]

Forcing an unnecessary permanent change in your child's body even though he has not consented and cannot consent is pretty obviously wrong whether religiously motivated, or not.



I'm circumcised and am not Jewish I thank my parents for it. why? Hygiene. It's often done to lessen chances of infection and STD's

[Ducimus]

You know.... what people do with their F'ing peckers.. really is no business of the state.

[razark]

It's often done to lessen chances of infection and STD's
Except there's not very much in the way of compelling evidence it does any good.

You know.... what people do with their F'ing peckers.. really is no business of the state.
It's not theirs. It's their child's. I have no problem with someone old enough to make an informed decision having it done. I do wonder how many adults are willing to have the procedure done, though.

[MH]

Except there's not very much in the way of compelling evidence it does any good.



I'm certain it dos not do harm.

On academic/philosophical level you are right....
Someone comes and cuts a part from a dick.:nope:

[Platapus]

well, me personally being circumsized, i can say theres nothing wrong with my equipment and accessories. It doesnt affect anything.

If you were circumsized when young, how do you know it does not affect anything? :D

[razark]

I'm certain it dos not do harm.
In most cases, no. There have been accidents, though.

Considering the procedure is traditionally done without anesthetic, and serves no real purpose, I see no need for it. Further, an unnecessary procedure adds opportunities for accidents, infections, infliction of pain that provides no benefit.

So I would say that it does do more harm than good.

[Stealhead]

Well my folks(I nor my parents are Jewish) had me chopped as well when I was a wee lad and I never felt one way or the other about it to be truly honest but have never felt that I was missing anything not having that little bit of skin.Though I have had girl friends in the past tell me they preferred one or the other(not my place to formulate opinion on that)

I always thought that there was no medical gain or loss from it but after reading this I am glad I was clipped because I'd do anything to avoid that cancer and if this is true I'd not want any son if I ever have any to have penile cancer either: http://www.medicinenet.com/circumcision_the_medical_pros_and_cons/page5.htm#cancer

The link is on the fifth page of the site you can read more of it if you want to.

Also razark is wrong about not using anesthetic it is used in most cases might not have been that way in the past.

According to Wiki they use the fore skins to make skin grafts awesome.

[Gerald]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3548/62911bearmancartooncirc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/62911bearmancartooncirc.jpg/)

[Jimbuna]

:hmmm:

[Gerald]

Yes, exactly, this San Francisco circumcision ban Struck from ballot....Thus, snakes commenting mode, and status in the woods.

[Jimbuna]

Actually I was more focussed on the graphical content...to be precise.

[Gerald]

Hmm, have not much to add, more to say that there really is a very graphics-intensive image.

[Jimbuna]

Borderline at best....seen better and seen worse.

[Gerald]

Borderline at best....seen better and seen worse. The person who was arrested, a few days ago ... may well be borderline

[Jimbuna]

My last word on the matter....I was looking at the graphical representation of the entity on the left and what it could easily be considered to resemble.

Seeing as no other moderator has interjected....so be it.