New York Gay Marriage: First Gay Couples Marry At Midnight

[Gerald]

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NEW YORK — Gay couples cheered by supporters have begun marrying in New York City on the first day same-sex weddings are legal in the Empire State.

New York City officials expect to host hundreds of same-sex weddings Sunday. Clerks in New York City and about a dozen other cities statewide are opening their doors Sunday to cater to same-sex couples.

In Manhattan, the first of about 100 couples waiting in line on a sweltering Sunday began exchanging vows in a city clerk's office. Judges waived a mandatory 24-hour waiting period that allowed couples to exchange vows moments after receiving their licenses.

A small number of same-sex couples got married at the stroke of midnight around the state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/24/new-york-gay-marriage_n_907901.html


Note: 07/24/11 09:47 AM ET

[Feuer Frei!]

Society has come a long way.

[BossMark]

Society has come a long way.
Too bloody far if you ask me :yep:

[Morts]

in b4 haters

[Gerald]

Not surprisingly, there are mixed reactions about this.

[mookiemookie]

Not surprisingly, there are mixed reactions about this.

Does the Best of Subsim have an "Understatement of the year" category?

[Gerald]

Does the Best of Subsim have an "Understatement of the year" category? If there is, or will be relevant bits in the record, it can certainly come up with, just like all the other threads, but not to "New York Gay Marriage, First Gay Couples Marry At Midnight" has a special status or category, if any mention as the year's best thread.

[Sailor Steve]

in b4 haters
No, one posted just before you did.

[Betonov]

Mwahahahahahha, now the gays will experience all the horrors of marriage :DL

[Skybird]

We are saved. Halleluja!

[Chad]

Good for them.

While personally not gay myself, (far from it :|\\) I do support individual's choices, and no discrimination period, whether based on race, gender, sexual preference, smoker, etc etc.

Good job New York :salute:

[Morts]

No, one posted just before you did.
Typical :damn:

[joea]

Mwahahahahahha, now the gays will experience all the horrors of marriage :DL
This. :D "You" wanted it you got it.

[Gerald]

Nice one, Joe :O:

[Rilder]

I hope they all have long and prosperous marriages!

[Gerald]

They'll probably get to know both the obverse and reverse of being married, was so sure of it ..... even if they prefer the back first, :O:

[ZeeWolf]

Just more celebrating the cult of depravity in a putrefying society, racing
to the bottom. :nope:

ZeeWolf

[Tchocky]

Just more celebrating the cult of depravity in a putrefying society, racing
to the bottom. :nope:

ZeeWolf

What's depraved about love and committment?

[Alex]

Good for them.
Well, yes, why not, after all. Greater defects got their right to exist, so why not the fags.

The History of that country is scattered with so much advances, improvements and marvels, I'm rendered speechless.

[ZeeWolf]

What's depraved about love and committment?

This has not a single thing to do with love or commitment in any descent use
of those words. But everything to do with advancing the "New Marxist"
agenda hell bent on destroying "Western Civilization".

[Tchocky]

This has not a single thing to do with love or commitment in any descent use
of those words. But everything to do with advancing the "New Marxist"
agenda hell bent on destroying "Western Civilization".


That's an "unusual" interpretation.

[Tribesman]

That's an "unusual" interpretation.
Do you expect as holocaust denier to be able to make a sensible interpretation?

[Morts]

This has not a single thing to do with love or commitment in any descent use
of those words. But everything to do with advancing the "New Marxist"
agenda hell bent on destroying "Western Civilization".
Alright Breivik :up:





:damn:

[Gerald]

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4460/25marriagespanarticlela.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/683/25marriagespanarticlela.jpg/)
Lino Caminha, left, and Luke Strandquist had their wedding license signed by Judge Sabrina Kraus before exchanging vows at the city clerk's office in Manhattan on Sunday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/nyregion/after-long-wait-same-sex-couples-marry-in-new-york.html?ref=nyregion

[ZeeWolf]

That's an "unusual" interpretation.

Yes it is. But consider the following: Most sexual deviates will eventually
spiral out of control to eventually include children in there lust for gratification.
The essence of out of control desire. Enslaving a human being
to the worst and lowest level. But beleive it or not the agenda will include
legalizing adult sex with children. Literally anything and everything goes and
nothing is to be judged or scorned except those who would hold fast to
Christian morality. They will be the enemies of this sick and depraved revolution.

[Morts]

Yes it is. But consider the following: Most sexual deviates will eventually
spiral out of control to eventually include children in there lust for gratification.
The essence of out of control desire. Enslaving a human being
to the worst and lowest level. But beleive it or not the agenda will include
legalizing adult sex with children. Literally anything and everything goes and
nothing is to be judged or scorned except those who would hold fast to
Christian morality. They will be the enemies of this sick and depraved revolution.
homosexuality is not a "deviant" behaviour, its completely normal.

[ZeeWolf]

Alright Breivik :up:





:damn:

What now? is "Breivik" the new Marxist term of abuse used to silence, harass
and hound to destruction. Used on anyone who would dare stand against your
sick, filthy life style.:stare:

ZeeWolf

[Sailor Steve]

Yes it is. But consider the following: Most sexual deviates will eventually spiral out of control to eventually include children in there lust for gratification.
Child molestation is already common. It's wrong because a child can't consent. Marriage between two consenting adults is not the same thing, no matter how much you want it to be. A legal adult has the right to do whatever he or she wants, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to do the same. Making it illegal because you find it morally repugnant is just as evil as you claim their actions to be. For me personally "morality" doesn't enter into the equation. I find the act physically repugnant, but I know full well I could be wrong, and demanding that others live their lives by my standards is to me a true sin.

In all too many cases it's the "moral" people of this world who end up killing others who do not toe their line.

[Morts]

What now? is "Breivik" the new Marxist term of abuse used to silence, harass
and hound to destruction. Used on anyone who would dare stand against your
sick, filthy life style.:stare:

ZeeWolf
no, its a term used for bigots like you :)

[ZeeWolf]

homosexuality is not a "deviant" behaviour, its completely normal.

Normal for guys who like guys shoving things up each others rectum.

[Tchocky]

Homosexuality inevitably leads to child abuse. Jolly good.

:roll:

This thread got real classy real fast.

Regarding the original story, it's always nice to see people who love each other getting married. I was at a great wedding at the weekend, it's coming to that time of life when all my friends seem to be getting hitched :P

[Gerald]

Normal for guys who like guys shoving things up each others rectum. :haha:

[ZeeWolf]

no, its a term used for bigots like you :)


If that makes me a bigot be warned, here and now when the real fighting starts
in this nation over this issue, it will take more then your mouth to silence me.:stare:

ZeeWolf

[Morts]

Normal for guys who like guys shoving things up each others rectum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Dont worry, you wont catch the gay from reading about it. :up:
Though considering how afraid you are of homosexuality, and how ignorant of it you are, that does seem like a likely reason for your ignorance.

[ZeeWolf]

Homosexuality inevitably leads to child abuse. Jolly good.

:roll:

This thread got real classy real fast.

Regarding the original story, it's always nice to see people who love each other getting married. I was at a great wedding at the weekend, it's coming to that time of life when all my friends seem to be getting hitched :P

There is nothing classy about normalizing such sick and depraved behavior
as homosexuality.

[Sailor Steve]

Sick and depraved, yet they aren't hurting anyone else, your child abuse connection aside, since there isn't one. What's truly sick is the way some people want to make the entire world conform to their standards, and the lengths they're willing to go to to do it.

[Gerald]

Homosexuality inevitably leads to child abuse. Jolly good.

:roll:

This thread got real classy real fast.

Regarding the original story, it's always nice to see people who love each other getting married. I was at a great wedding at the weekend, it's coming to that time of life when all my friends seem to be getting hitched :P Yes, a wedding is fun and entertaining, not like what happened 10 days ago a wedding that traced out, and one was stabbed, and there was trouble on two became entrapped by the police ... incident occurred in the southern part of Sweden, :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Sick and depraved, yet they aren't hurting anyone else, your child abuse connection aside, since there isn't one. What's truly sick is the way some people want to make the entire world conform to their standards, and the lengths they're willing to go to to do it.

Amen....rgr that

[ZeeWolf]

Sick and depraved, yet they aren't hurting
anyone else, your child abuse connection aside, since there isn't one. What's
truly sick is the way some people want to make the entire world conform to their standards, and the lengths they're willing to go to to do it.

Yes there is a connection with child molesting. A direct and consistent one.
The term "homosexual" is a very deceptive term it includes those sexual deviates
that would sexually engage with children. Also note the numbers
plays this out. When you compare the know cases of child predators the
majority are heterosexual. But then when you compare the homosexual child
predators to the overall number of homosexuals you will see a huge proportion
of the homosexual population is in fact child molesters.


ZeeWolf

[Tchocky]

Yes there is a connection with child molesting. A direct and consistent one.

You'll need to back that up with something if you want to keep throwing such a hideous statement around.

[Jimbuna]

You'll need to back that up with something if you want to keep throwing such a hideous statement around.

Agreed...a source to some factual data would certainly help.

[ZeeWolf]

You'll need to back that up with something if you want to keep throwing such a hideous statement around.

I have leaned that some guys say they want proof only later to discover
they want nothing to do with it.

1.)What would be your threshold of proof.

2.)would you be willing to do some research on your own.

[Morts]

I have leaned that some guys say they want proof only later to discover
they want nothing to do with it.

1.)What would be your threshold of proof.

2.)would you be willing to do some research on your own.
excuses excuses :zzz:

[Tribesman]

Agreed...a source to some factual data would certainly help.
Facts???????
come on, he can't do facts.

If that makes me a bigot be warned, here and now when the real fighting starts
in this nation over this issue, it will take more then your mouth to silence me
Didn't someone liken your extremist bigotry to Breivik already.:doh:

[Gerald]

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[Jimbuna]

I have leaned that some guys say they want proof only later to discover
they want nothing to do with it.

1.)What would be your threshold of proof.

2.)would you be willing to do some research on your own.

1. A link or more to something definitive or at least believable.

2. Why?...You made the statement...you should back it up.

[ZeeWolf]

Facts???????
come on, he can't do facts.


Didn't someone liken your extremist bigotry to Breivik already.:doh:

Got you nerves Troubledman

[Tribesman]

I just find it funny that after showing yourself as a holocaust denier and nazi apologist you decide to further exhibit the levels of your ignorance and bigotry.

[Tchocky]

I have leaned that some guys say they want proof only later to discover
they want nothing to do with it. I'm not looking for proof. I didn't ask you for proof.

1.)What would be your threshold of proof. See above.

2.)would you be willing to do some research on your own. Frankly, no. Your assertions are depressing enough to me to make trawling for evidence a less than delightful idea. I also have little confidence that you can marshal anything convincing to back up your claim. Go ahead and make me reconsider, it's your task. Your first response to being asked for evidence is less than surprising.
Extraordinary claims and all that, the onus is squarely on you.

[ZeeWolf]

1. A link or more to something definitive or at least believable.

2. Why?...You made the statement...you should back it up.

Ok for our first phase let's try here:

http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/registry

Then there must be three things established

1.)Meaning of terms "". we will add to this list as necessary.

2.)The percent of the homosexual population in the USA

3.) Again, an agreed threshold of proof.

[ZeeWolf]

I'm not looking for proof. I didn't ask you for proof.

See above.

Frankly, no. Your assertions are depressing enough to me to make trawling for evidence a less than delightful idea. I also have little confidence that you can marshal anything convincing to back up your claim. Go ahead and make me reconsider, it's your task. Your first response to being asked for evidence is less than surprising.
Extraordinary claims and all that, the onus is squarely on you.

Then I will not waste any more time with you then

[Tchocky]

Blessed am I.

[krashkart]

Good on New Yawk. Now where's the popcorn? :D

[ZeeWolf]

I just find it funny that after showing yourself as a holocaust denier and nazi apologist you decide to further exhibit the levels of your ignorance and bigotry.

That's simply because I do not need or value approval from guys like you.

[Morts]

That's simply because I do not need or value approval from guys like you.
Guess you'd prefer approval by someone like Breivik ?
Then some "special" approval from him later :yeah:

[ZeeWolf]

Here is the reason we need to agree first to a percent
And the term "Gay" is a term I do not use and refuse
to use to define this despicable behavior.


How many gay people are there in the United States?

The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a
sexual orientation law and public policy think tank,
estimates that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans
identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011).
The institute also found that bisexuals make up 1.8%
of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian.
Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population.


In his 1948 book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male,
Alfred Kinsey shocked the world by announcing that 10%
of the male population is gay. A 1993 Janus Report
estimated that nine percent of men and five percent of
women had more than "occasional" homosexual relationships.
The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples
constitute less than 1% of American households.
The Family Research Report says "around 2-3% of men,
and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual."
The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates
three to eight percent of both sexes. So who's right
-- what percentage of the population is homosexual?

Maybe less then 9 million but here is where your help in
research could come in.

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

Guess you'd prefer approval by someone like Breivik ?
Then some "special" approval from him later :yeah:

Look anyone who will get off there behind and actually do SOMETHING is someone guys like you already hate.

[Gerald]

In NC, the logical explanation that there are about 200.000K gays in the area...

[darius359au]

Haters have got to hate ,unfortunately he can't be ignored because of mod status so the easiest thing is starve the troll and not respond to his drivel!
As for New York hopefully other places and countries will follow ,we're in 2011 not the dark ages so discrimination and bigotry has no place in modern society!

[ZeeWolf]

In NC, the logical explanation that there are about 200.000K gays in the area...

OK that's great Ventor, now we have to go through the crime stats.
The registered sex offender lists that lists the age and sex of the crime
victim.
Please note that rarely do these criminals have only one victim.
That is why the death penalty should apply to all these guys on these
sex offender lists. But that can be another thread.
Also there will be those guys who rape both sexes. They to should be
counted as those who rape little boys as well.

[Sailor Steve]

Please note that rarely do these criminals have only one victim.
That is why the death penalty should apply to all these guys on these
sex offender lists. But that can be another thread.
Also there will be those guys who rape both sexes. They to should be
counted as those who rape little boys as well.
All the above is true, and I don't completely disagree on the death penalty part for child molesters, though sometimes I think that might be a bit to lenient.

But men who rape little girls don't necessarily like women, and men who rape little boys don't necessarily like men. And if you could establish a correlation in a percentage of cases it doesn't necessarily follow that it's true in all cases. You consider homosexuality to be an abomination, partly because the Bible says so and partly because the idea disgusts you. That said, it's no reason to think that all gays are going to attack children. We punish offenders, not people we think are likely to be offenders. And we punish people for crimes committed, not for real or imagined "sins".

Here's a hypothetical: Suppose you can prove you are right. What is your answer? Ban gay marriage, sure. But what about homosexuals themselves. What do you want to do with them?

[Alex]

we're in 2011 not the dark ages so discrimination and bigotry has no place in modern society!
Going from this point to saying every change is an improvement, is a thin line that a few people cross gleefully, with a level of self-exaltation bordering on absurdity.

[Sailor Steve]

Going from this point to saying every change is an improvement, is a thin line that a few people cross gleefully, with a level of self-exaltation bordering on absurdity.
So you think discrimination and bigotry do have a place in our society?

[ZeeWolf]

All the above is true, and I don't completely disagree on the death penalty part for child molesters, though sometimes I think that might be a bit to lenient.

But men who rape little girls don't necessarily like women, and men who rape little boys don't necessarily like men. And if you could establish a correlation in a percentage of cases it doesn't necessarily follow that it's true in all cases. You consider homosexuality to be an abomination, partly because the Bible says so and partly because the idea disgusts you. That said, it's no reason to think that all gays are going to attack children. We punish offenders, not people we think are likely to be offenders. And we punish people for crimes committed, not for real or imagined "sins".

Here's a hypothetical: Suppose you can prove you are right. What is your answer? Ban gay marriage, sure. But what about homosexuals themselves. What do you want to do with them?

That is why clearly defining the term 'homosexual' is essential. I personally
use the term to refer to adult males who engage in a sex/lewd act with
persons on the same sex. Children and adolescents (generally speaking) are already under to much pressure to experiment or may circum to seduction to firmly label them.
Whoever, it is the agenda that is the most sinister threat to Americans morality.

[krashkart]

I thought the term 'homosexual' was already clearly defined. :hmmm:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexual

[ZeeWolf]

I am currently working on North Carolina

Gathering:
1.) total male population (?)

2.) breaking down the registered sex offenders (16337 total)

3.) 200,000 total homosexual population (provided by vendor)

[ZeeWolf]

I thought the term 'homosexual' was already clearly defined. :hmmm:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexual

Here is why terms are important. Can you imagine having some scum
like this Dr. Judith Reisman tell you child molesters are beneficial.

The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

And why it is hard work getting to the real facts on this issue, the top
is so rotten to the core.

ZeeWolf

[Alex]

@ Sailor Steve : Honestly ?
Yes.
If bigotry and discrimination can keep people away from 1. acting odd due to their recent recognition in the media 2. caring about problems that are not problems really, but no more than the latest modish fad - to be forgotten next week - about to make people argue again and again with no good result to be expected in the end as that cause has no essential purpose, I say I'm all for bigotry and discrimination.

I'm not saying I'm against gays and lesbians, I've got no problems with them - as long as they stay away from me. They have always existed, and always will. I'd just like them to stay as tactful as I do regarding the love one person wishes to bring to another. That's why I can't see where's the need to bring that kind of news in the front page of your media.

[Thomen]

Well, I wish whoever wants to get shackled.. err married good luck and all the best.. :D

I just hope they also put provisions for (gay) divorce into the law, too. :O:

[gimpy117]

But men who rape little girls don't necessarily like women, and men who rape little boys don't necessarily like men.

well and also the fact that you can' confuse a pedophile with a homosexual.

[Penguin]

Here is why terms are important. Can you imagine having some scum
like this Dr. Judith Reisman tell you child molesters are beneficial.

The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

And why it is hard work getting to the real facts on this issue, the top
is so rotten to the core.



:har::har::har:
Not able to even check his own sources!
Condemning Reisman as scum, when she is actually on his side: priceless :rotfl2:
Reisman makes a statement in the column against painting child abuse as harmless, as what she sees is done in the 1999 report. For the slow reader: check out what "according to" means.

Zeewolf is a non-amusing troll, as he is nothing special. He just shows the signs typical of conspiracy guys:

- being one of the chosen few who is enlightened to understand the conspiracy; secret wisdom ("we know what the mainstream media doesn't know")
- concentrating on single statements from individuals to denounce a whole group
- pseudo-scientific research": concentrating on faulty and unclear single aspects of topics, to show that the whole topic is false
- inability to provide scientific sources, inability to back up claims
- pattern thinking: (us vs. Marxists), everybody defending a group, is one of them
- diversity tactics: first we had gay marriage, now we are at child abuse
- inability to discussion, just giving statements to bait people, but not able/willing to have an exchange

[Betonov]

Zeewolf is a non-amusing troll, as he is nothing special. He just shows the signs typical of conspiracy guys:

- being one of the chosen few who is enlightened to understand the conspiracy; secret wisdom ("we know what the mainstream media doesn't know")
- concentrating on single statements from individuals to denounce a whole group
- pseudo-scientific research": concentrating on faulty and unclear single aspects of topics, to show that the whole topic is false
- inability to provide scientific sources, inability to back up claims
- pattern thinking: (us vs. Marxists), everybody defending a group, is one of them
- diversity tactics: first we had gay marriage, now we are at child abuse
- inability to discussion, just giving statements to bait people, but not able/willing to have an exchange

Nah, he just hasn't been laid in a loooong time. Spider webs all over his prostate. And the last time he went out only a blind guy came up to him and said: sunshine, how about you and me wake up the neighbours with the music of our sweet loving

[Snestorm]

homosexuality is not a "deviant" behaviour, its completely normal.

It's queer.

[Snestorm]

Guess you'd prefer approval by someone like Breivik ?
Then some "special" approval from him later :yeah:

What does this post have to do with this thread's topic?

Are you taking Troll lessons from Tribesman?

You both play the same record, over and over again, regargless of topic.

[Sailor Steve]

@ Sailor Steve : Honestly ?
Yes.
Interesting.

That's why I can't see where's the need to bring that kind of news in the front page of your media.
It's front page news because some people keep trying to repress it. If it had been accepted all along there never would have been any news. It's the bigots and haters who force people to respond radically, then complain the loudest about "those people" wanting "special priveleges".

[Betonov]

It's front page news because some people keep trying to repress it. If it had been accepted all along there never would have been any news. It's the bigots and haters who force people to respond radically, then complain the loudest about "those people" wanting "special priveleges".

Exactly

[ZeeWolf]

OK here is some basic stats that I will use to establish the fact
that the "homosexual" has a much greater population of child molesters
(per capita) then the heterosexual population does even though
we are mislead into believing that child molestation is a heterosexual
thing and the "homosexual" is just miniscule.

Found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of
sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against
male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of
gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is
approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether
the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is
related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males
preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities
to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various
groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into
consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per
offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual
pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1.
This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles
among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater
than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of
course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a
greater propensity to offend against children.

This is more very revealing data here:
http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/
it includes the following excerpts:

A 1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by
Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the
molestation of over 67,000 children. That***8217;s an average of 148 children per
individual pedophile.

The statics that should be readily available to establish clear and concise
numbers concerning the male predators to male child victims is not easy
to compile or obtain and probably because this data would be so damming
to the sexual pervert's agenda to legalize all consenting sexual behavior
between adults and children. And, this sick agenda I am willing to prove
exists and a part of this "Gay marriage"movement. But one thing at a time :D

to be continued...

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

:har::har::har:
Not able to even check his own sources!
Condemning Reisman as scum, when she is actually on his side: priceless :rotfl2:
Reisman makes a statement in the column against painting child abuse as harmless, as what she sees is done in the 1999 report. For the slow reader: check out what "according to" means.

Zeewolf is a non-amusing troll, as he is nothing special. He just shows the signs typical of conspiracy guys:


Listen Pigwind this all I know about conspiracy:
conspiracy
n. pl. .cies 1. The planning of two or more persons to do an evil act; also, the plan so made. 2. An acting together: a conspiracy of the elements.

Absolutely nothing complicated about it. But again another term "conspiracy" is meant to silence and attack anyone the Angels of light
condemn. I want to know what are guys like you going to do when your
tactics fail and fail they will. People are waking up and seeing things they
thought they would NEVER see. And experiencing things they where promised would never happen again. I hope I can be the first warn you
that Americans will rise to face any and every threat and at that time
they will resort to some old school thinking. And guys like you won't like it.

But it's needed

ZeeWolf

[Tribesman]

You both play the same record, over and over again, regargless of topic.
Because with people like you it is so easy to just ridicule your nonsense in the same manner again and again and it is always accurate regardless of which conspiracy, bigotry or hate you are pushing in that particular topic.

People are waking up and seeing things they
thought they would NEVER see.
True, I never thought I would see so many dumb asses in the 21st century. But kooky khristian kranks still exist

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

In case you ZeeWolf have not yet realised this "Breivik" so often used in this discussion is reference to Anders Behring Breivik. A man suspected on 2011 Norway attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks) including bombing in Oslo, which left atleast 7 dead, and attack to youth camp in Utøya, which left atleast 86 dead.

[Tribesman]

kraznyi, he probably thinks it is an honour to be compared to him. After all their language and agenda do seem to match and neither can see anything wrong with their bigoted hatred.

[Betonov]

OK here is some basic stats that I will use to establish the fact
that the "homosexual" has a much greater population of child molesters
(per capita) then the heterosexual population does even though
we are mislead into believing that child molestation is a heterosexual
thing and the "homosexual" is just miniscule.

Found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of
sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against
male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of
gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is
approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether
the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is
related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males
preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities
to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various
groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into
consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per
offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual
pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1.
This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles
among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater
than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of
course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a
greater propensity to offend against children.

This is more very revealing data here:
http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/
it includes the following excerpts:

A 1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by
Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the
molestation of over 67,000 children. That***8217;s an average of 148 children per
individual pedophile.

The statics that should be readily available to establish clear and concise
numbers concerning the male predators to male child victims is not easy
to compile or obtain and probably because this data would be so damming
to the sexual pervert's agenda to legalize all consenting sexual behavior
between adults and children. And, this sick agenda I am willing to prove
exists and a part of this "Gay marriage"movement. But one thing at a time :D

to be continued...

ZeeWolf

Interesting, very interesting. But it says nowhere in this recipee how you pre-cook the eggs so they don't break apart while you boil them together with the tomato sause :hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

So I come into this thread about gay marriage and I see that someone has brought up some scientific study that "proves" gay people are more likely to be child molesters. In a thread about gay marriage. As if that has something to do with it and is an argument against it.

Un-be-freakin-lievable. :nope:

[Hottentot]

*Psst*, it's the internet, Mookie

[mookiemookie]

*Psst*, it's the internet, Mookie

Touché.

[ZeeWolf]

Because with people like you it is so easy to just ridicule your nonsense in the same manner again and again and it is always accurate regardless of which conspiracy, bigotry or hate you are pushing in that particular topic.


True, I never thought I would see so many dumb asses in the 21st century. But kooky khristian kranks still exist

Yeah right troubledman, but can you imagine how hard it would be for guys like me to have access to data that challenges things that guys like you buy hook line and sinker? And think how much money the guy you like to protect can save on thinks like - hiring trolls!

Thank the Lord for the internet a place where even godless fools can be geniuses, :salute:

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

In case you ZeeWolf have not yet realised this "Breivik" so often used in this discussion is reference to Anders Behring Breivik. A man suspected on 2011 Norway attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks) including bombing in Oslo, which left atleast 7 dead, and attack to youth camp in Utøya, which left atleast 86 dead.

Yeah, so what - totally irrelevant. But in case you haven't realized the suppression of free thought and free speech will ALWAYS produce violence
even in multi-cultural/ diverse, Godless hell Utopia like Oslo.

ZeeWolf

[Hottentot]

Godless hell Utopia like Oslo.

You're a real charmer, you know.

[antikristuseke]

Yeah, so what - totally irrelevant. But in case you haven't realized the suppression of free thought and free speech will ALWAYS produce violence
even in multi-cultural/ diverse, Godless hell Utopia like Oslo.

ZeeWolf

Wait, what?:doh:

[Tchocky]

Godless Hell Utopia - 70's punk group. Not very good.

[ZeeWolf]

So I come into this thread about gay marriage and I see that someone has brought up some scientific study that "proves" gay people are more likely to be child molesters. In a thread about gay marriage. As if that has something to do with it and is an argument against it.

Un-be-freakin-lievable. :nope:

What's the problem? I it that you can't stand the notion that you can still find
someone who call what you approve of evil and so anti-progressive.
Or of course the worst sin for the Godless Genius is for someone to still believe
the Bible. After all that has been done to erase it from the schools and universities etc. :DL

[ZeeWolf]

You're a real charmer, you know.

Thank you Dr. Hottentot,
As you are fully aware the socialist countries have probably the best and
most thorough, controlled studies in the world that could asset me in finding
the data necessary to establish the percent (per capita) of the homosexual
population that would be considered "Child Molesters". The data in the medical
departments would also be helpful in clarifying for us just how sick
and depraved the the acts of the homosexuals are. Being probably aware of
the numerous situations the emergency room doctors find themselves in treating
this segment of the population.
Would you please help shed some light on this issue with access to the data needed?

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

[Tribesman]

but can you imagine how hard it would be for guys like me to have access to data that challenges things that guys like you buy hook line and sinker?
What is funny is that you post "evidence" which either contradicts yourself or is already so thoroughly shot to pieces it is a joke.
There is absolutely no shortage of primary sources, a huge wealth of data and millions of easily accesible studies, but that is too hard for your thick skull to understand

Or of course the worst sin for the Godless Genius is for someone to still believe
the Bible.
Given your inability to even understand simple "evidence" you post which you think makes your point I doubt you have any understanding of that book you ridiculously claim to believe in.
Face it Breivik you are a crazy hate filled bigot that wouldn't know christianity if it was right in front of you holding a sign

But in case you haven't realized the suppression of free thought and free speech will ALWAYS produce violence
even in multi-cultural/ diverse, Godless hell Utopia like Oslo.

Aside from the fact that you are a sicko who couldn't produce thought free or otherwise you may have not noticed in your twisted mind that free speech and free thought are not supressed

[MH]

You're a real charmer, you know.

Real charmer he is......
I bet he gets all the nicest blonds lol
http://www.blogacine.com/wp-content/fotos//blogacine.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/borat-2.jpg

[Hottentot]

Thank you Dr. HottentotThank you for the promotion. It's still just "Hottentot" to friends, though.

You may refer to me as "Sir".

As you are fully aware the socialist countries have probably the best and
most thorough, controlled studies in the worldI wouldn't know, as I haven't ever had the questionable privilege of studying in a socialist system. However, I have researched the history of a country claiming to be "socialist" with some interest and can say, that I don't hold its educational system in high regard.

The data in the medical departments would also be helpful in clarifying for us just how sick
and depraved the the acts of the homosexuals are.I don't think the medical department can help you in that, as at least in our civilized country the homosexuality ceased to be a crime and a disease in 1970s. Maybe the news haven't yet reached your side of the Atlantic?

Being probably aware of the numerous situations the emergency room doctors find themselves in treating this segment of the population.Are you referring to the Godless doctors, who to this day swear the oath that originally started with the words "I swear by Apollo the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia and Panacea..."? And still continues to say: "I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick."?

Would you please help shed some light on this issue with access to the data needed?Gladly. First advice: reading comprehension helps, as the drivel you just wrote had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

A fine day to you too.

[Tchocky]

Thank you Dr. Hottentot,
As you are fully aware the socialist countries have probably the best and
most thorough, controlled studies in the world that could asset me in finding
the data necessary to establish the percent (per capita) of the homosexual
population that would be considered "Child Molesters". The data in the medical
departments would also be helpful in clarifying for us just how sick
and depraved the the acts of the homosexuals are. Being probably aware of
the numerous situations the emergency room doctors find themselves in treating
this segment of the population.
Would you please help shed some light on this issue with access to the data needed?

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

Ask this guy - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1712163&postcount=39

He seems pretty certain.

[AVGWarhawk]

What About Claims That Scientific Research Proves Gay Men Are Likely To Molest Children?

Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3). With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals, it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the issue. On further examination, however, its central argument ***8211; that "the evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" ***8211; doesn't hold up.



Conclusion
The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

[Sailor Steve]

Chris, I suspect that while his study was funded by good decent God-fearing Christian folk, your study as paid for by the evil Jews. When you hate everyone who isn't like you it's easy to find "proof" that they all deserve your hatred.

[AVGWarhawk]

Very true. One can not categorically state that homosexuals are child molesters. That is just silly.

[ZeeWolf]

Good God you guys are ganging up on me again :o

UNGAOWA! is what Tarzan would say in this situation I'm sure.

But you do have me reconsidering my plight.
I figure if that crowd (the wicked and adulterous generation) could hate and spit on Jesus.
For predicting the Temple in Jerusalem will be destroyed so utterly that not one stone would be
left upon another. And that is exactly what happened in 70A.D.

What chance does a "Stupid American" like me have? :hmmm:

ZeeWolf :cool:

[Tribesman]

But you do have me reconsidering my plight.
I figure if that crowd (the wicked and adulterous generation) could hate and spit on Jesus.
For predicting the Temple in Jerusalem will be destroyed so utterly that not one stone would be
left upon another. And that is exactly what happened in 70A.D.

What chance does a "Stupid American" like me have?
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
edit because ......why bother with the the fool anymore

[AVGWarhawk]

Good God you guys are ganging up on me again


I don't find this to be the case. What I see is members that do not agree with the statement that homosexuals are child molesters. That is simply ridiculas.


What chance does a "Stupid American" like me have?


The same chance as everyone else in proving your point/theory or otherwise.


UNGAOWA! is what Tarzan would say in this situation I'm sure.


Nah..he would ask his chimp Bubbles what to do.

[Betonov]

I wonder how the wedding planners and shops handeled the sudden surge of orders. Probibly pulled half of retailers and tailors in new york out of recession in one night :hmmm:

[ZeeWolf]

So, if you refuse to even lift a figure (exempt your middle one )to help assemble the data needed. And I will use the 11 to 1 figure to establish
the doubt on the mantra of the Sinless one's assertions.
And move on from there.

"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1"

found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Shalom

ZeeWolf :yawn:

[Betonov]

I know there's got to be some sort of integration and between shop renting of material and services, but I doubt that will be enough to cater to every couple that married and will marry in these days. And it has a riple effect, guests also need fancy clothes for the wedding, not only the grooms and the brides.
You think the services were prepared for this??

Ratio 11:1, riiight, on one person that gets married there are 11 people that will need the services, tailors, taxi's....

[ZeeWolf]

Thank you for the promotion. It's still just "Hottentot" to friends, though.

You may refer to me as "Sir".

.

No, I will use "Phony" Dr. Hottentot.


ZeeWolf

[razark]

Even if we accept that all/most/some/just one homosexuals are child molesters, what does that have to do with them being allowed to get married? :06:

The homosexual pedophiles will still be homosexual pedophiles whether or not they are allowed to get married. Heterosexual pedophiles will still be heterosexual pedophiles whether or not gays are allowed to get married.

[Sailor Steve]

Good God you guys are ganging up on me again :o
So no one should say what they think unless it's guaranteed that there will be an opposing opinion for each person?

UNGAOWA! is what Tarzan would say in this situation I'm sure.
I highly doubt that Tarzan would care one way or the other about this discussion.

But you do have me reconsidering my plight.
Interesting. I'll come back to this.

I figure if that crowd (the wicked and adulterous generation) could hate and spit on Jesus.
For predicting the Temple in Jerusalem will be destroyed so utterly that not one stone would be
left upon another. And that is exactly what happened in 70A.D.[/quote]
You're jumbling Biblical quotes and trying to force them into a mold they weren't made to fit. According to the Bible Jesus said "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign", which was a retort to the Pharisees when they demanded he prove himself by performing a supernatural feat. And the Pharisees, though Jews, could more aptly be compared to other religious/political leader wannabes, especially modern leaders of the Religious Right. Jesus never advocated hating any group despite knowing what was to happen.

Second, they didn't hate him and spit on him for predicting the destruction of the Temple. They did so because they were incited by the religious leaders, and they followed what they were told. And they weren't representative of all Jews, just the ones who were there that day. In that respect they were no different than the Germans who followed the Nazis. Not the Nazis themselves, but the otherwise good people who let perverted leaders goad them into acts of hatred.

Now, back to "reconsidering your plight". What exactly do you mean by this? That you're reconsidering whether you're right in your stated beliefs? Or whether you should even be here?

What chance does a "Stupid American" like me have? :hmmm:
Do you really believe you're stupid, or is that just another arguing point?

As for helping you with "research", if you make a claim it's your job to back it up. In another discussion on another part of this forum, I uncovered evidence in support of the person opposing me. I brought this evidence forward, because I don't lie and I don't cheat. Likewise, if I stumbled on real evidence that supported your claims I would say so, and at least open it up for discussion, if not support it outright. That said, I'm not going to go looking for "facts" that support hatred, not that I believe there are any. So yes, in your quest to destroy anything and anyone you consider inferior or "wrong", you are indeed on your own.

[Sailor Steve]

Even if we accept that all/most/some/just one homosexuals are child molesters, what does that have to do with them being allowed to get married? :06:

The homosexual pedophiles will still be homosexual pedophiles whether or not they are allowed to get married. Heterosexual pedophiles will still be heterosexual pedophiles whether or not gays are allowed to get married.
Good point. :sunny:

[BossMark]

I highly doubt that Tarzan would care one way or the other about this discussion.

He should be thinking about Jane :DL, or maybe Cheetah :hmmm:

[MH]

So, if you refuse to even lift a figure (exempt your middle one )to help assemble the data needed. And I will use the 11 to 1 figure to establish
the doubt on the mantra of the Sinless one's assertions.
And move on from there.

"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1"

found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Shalom

ZeeWolf :yawn:


A link:yeah:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

[Betonov]

And the cakes and pastry. Imagine the spike in sugar demand. Enough to make Cuba rich.

[Penguin]

Listen Pigwind this all I know about conspiracy:
conspiracy
n. pl. .cies 1. The planning of two or more persons to do an evil act; also, the plan so made. 2. An acting together: a conspiracy of the elements.

Absolutely nothing complicated about it. But again another term "conspiracy" is meant to silence and attack anyone the Angels of light
condemn. I want to know what are guys like you going to do when your
tactics fail and fail they will. People are waking up and seeing things they
thought they would NEVER see. And experiencing things they where promised would never happen again. I hope I can be the first warn you
that Americans will rise to face any and every threat and at that time
they will resort to some old school thinking. And guys like you won't like it.

But it's needed

ZeeWolf

Listen ZeeTroll (see, I can be as witty as you with the usernames).
This is the last time I will bother with a reply to you. I offered a discussion in the holocaust thread.
As you do not only fight Marxism, but also the English language and grammar, I asked you to make your point clear. You behaved like a spoiled brat and refused to give an adult answer.

Also thank you very much for proving many of the points, about which I wrote in post #71, with your answer. As you might not have noticed, I called nobody else in this thread with whom I disagree, a conspiracy guy, only you. Use your braincells and try to figure out why this is so.

And please refrain from uttering poorly concealed threats against me. If you want to step up to your words and do it old-school: bring it on! I offer you, that we both do it old-school European style: 1 vs 1, no weapons, no cops...
PM me if you want do do this or put your threats where the sun never shines!

Have a nice rahowa!

[AVGWarhawk]

So, if you refuse to even lift a figure (exempt your middle one )to help assemble the data needed. And I will use the 11 to 1 figure to establish
the doubt on the mantra of the Sinless one's assertions.
And move on from there.

"the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1"

found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

Shalom

ZeeWolf :yawn:



Another article dealing with the proportionality issue of child abuse was published by Freund and Watson in 1992. These authors5 noted the 1985 literature review by FRI’s chairman, and agreed that the ratio of female to male pedophilic victims was about 2:1, even as the proportion of heterosexual to homosexual men is about 20:1. Freund and Watson did some ‘figuring’ to arrive at an estimate that homosexual men are ‘only’ twice as apt to be pedophiles. They concluded that their findings generated support for the notion that “a homosexual development notably often does not result in androphilia [sexual desire for men] but in homosexual pedophilia [desire for boys]. … This, of course, should not be understood as saying that androphiles may have a greater propensity to offend against children than do gynephiles [men interested in sex with women],….” (p. 41). Notice that both sets of Canadian investigators went to some lengths to ‘interpret’ or ‘gloss’ their results as not harmful to the gay rights cause, but were honest enough to report ‘the facts’ as they found them.


http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/pro-gay-bias-in-study-of-pedophilia/

[AVGWarhawk]

· Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.
· Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).
· The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.
· Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
· Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.
· Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote "intergenerational intimacy."
MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.



The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.


http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

In the same article I find this interesting:


PEDOPHILIA IN GAY CULTURE The Historical Connection between Pedophilia and the Gay Rights Movement
David Thorstad is a homosexual activist and historian of the gay rights movement.[48] (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3#edn48) He is a former president of New York's Gay Activists Alliance (GAA), a prototype activist group founded in December 1969. The GAA at its inception opposed age of consent laws, which prohibited adults from having sex with children.[49] (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3#edn49) Thorstad is also a pedophile and founding member of the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
Thorstad argues that there is a natural and undeniable connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. He expresses bitterness that the gay rights movement has, in his view, abandoned pedophilia. Thorstad writes: "Boy-lovers were involved in the gay movement from the beginning, and their presence was tolerated. Gay youth groups encouraged adults to attend their dances. . . . There was a mood of tolerance, even joy at discovering the myriad of lifestyles within the gay and lesbian subculture."[50] (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3#edn50)
The inaugural issue of the Gay Community News in 1979 published a "Statement to the Gay Liberation Movement on the Issue of Man/Boy Love," which challenged the movement to return to a vision of sexual liberation. It argued that "the ultimate goal of gay liberation is the achievement of sexual freedom for all--not just equal rights for 'lesbian and gay men,' but also freedom of sexual expression for young people and children."
In the early years there was some reluctance to accept pedophilia, primarily among feminist and lesbian activist groups. In March 1979 the Lesbian Feminist Liberation (LFL) accusing "so-called Man/Boy Lovers" of "attempting to legitimize sex between children and adults. . . . Feminists easily recognize this as the latest attempt to make palatable the sexual exploitation of children." The coalition went on record as opposing "the sexual abuse of children by heterosexual or homosexual persons."[51] (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3#edn51)
Despite this opposition, Thorstad claims that by 1985 homosexual pedophiles had won acceptance within the gay movement. He cites Jim Kepner, then curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today we'd better stop waving the banner of the Ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our heritage unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay today."[52] (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3#edn52)
In 1985 NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations as well as the International Gay Association--now the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA). In the mid-1990's ILGA's association with NAMBLA and other pedophile groups cost the organization it's status as a Non-Governmental Organization in the United Nations.

[Tchocky]

Just a heads-up on how the Family Research Council is likely to present anything to do with homosexuality.

The FRC are hardly an unbiased observer. They are a heavily politicised group with a self-admitted goal of conservative Christian lobbying.

Their VP for Policy believes that homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

MATTHEWS: I'm just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior?

SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.

MATTHEWS: So, we should outlaw gay behavior?

SPRIGG: Yes. Source - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35224225/

[AVGWarhawk]

Just a heads-up on how the Family Research Council is likely to present anything to do with homosexuality.

The FRC are hardly an unbiased observer. They are a heavily politicised group with a self-admitted goal of conservative Christian lobbying.

Their VP for Policy believes that homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

Source - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35224225/

Good point Tchocky. I think it is hard to find any body of folks that are unbiased in any matter. NAMBLA is just plain sick IMO. I do not believe homosexuality is a criminal offense.

[ZeeWolf]

Dear Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education

Your not a scum anymore, I changed my mind. please forgive me :oops:

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

Here are numbers that I will incorporate in my data:

The following experts are from here:

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/pedophilia-in-the-homosexual-world/

"Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education, says (http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/printerfriendly.asp?ID=11002) that Department of Justice statistics show that 67 percent of all reported sex abuse victims are children and 64 percent of forcible sodomy victims are boys under 12." :o

And this is really a welcome example of a liberal tooth pulling. From the Hate the truth group Human Rights Campaign and the 2.9%:

"This is especially telling because according to a survey (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/05/poll-only-29-percent-of-population-homosexual/) commissioned last year by the pro-homosexual Human Rights Campaign, only 2.9% of the population is homosexual. This means that while only making up a tiny portion of the overall population, the perpetration of male molestation by homosexuals is greater than the much larger general population."

Not there yet,

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/pro-gay-bias-in-study-of-pedophilia/



Thanks man :up:

ZeeWolf

[AVGWarhawk]

Thanks man :up:

ZeeWolf

Just looking at both sides of the story. There are always two sides to a story. :03:

[ZeeWolf]

Listen ZeeTroll (see, I can be as witty as you with the usernames).
This is the last time I will bother with a reply to you. I offered a discussion in the holocaust thread.
As you do not only fight Marxism, but also the English language and grammar, I asked you to make your point clear. You behaved like a spoiled brat and refused to give an adult answer.

Also thank you very much for proving many of the points, about which I wrote in post #71, with your answer. As you might not have noticed, I called nobody else in this thread with whom I disagree, a conspiracy guy, only you. Use your braincells and try to figure out why this is so.

And please refrain from uttering poorly concealed threats against me. If you want to step up to your words and do it old-school: bring it on! I offer you, that we both do it old-school European style: 1 vs 1, no weapons, no cops...
PM me if you want do do this or put your threats where the sun never shines!

Have a nice rahowa!

I am sorry Pigwind I didn't mean any personal threat to you, I meant that
Americans will resort to an old school way of thinking, a mentality if you
will.
I want to harm to anyone and that includes you.
And writing as fast a you guys do is a struggle for me and yes I need more practice.

Sincerely,

ZeeWolf

[Tribesman]

Just a heads-up on how the Family Research Council is likely to present anything to do with homosexuality.

Didn't the FRC gert ripped about their publications by some of the scientists whose studies they quoted, something to do with cherry picking quotes to present an opposite conclusion as that presented in the studies they claimed backed them up.

[Betonov]

Didn't the FRC gert ripped about their publications by some of the scientists whose studies they quoted, something to do with cherry picking quotes to present an opposite conclusion as that presented in the studies they claimed backed them up.

It's called quote mining. Quite popular with these ''fammily'' organizations

[ZeeWolf]

I don't find this to be the case. What I see is members that do not agree with the statement that homosexuals are child molesters. That is simply ridiculas.



The same chance as everyone else in proving your point/theory or otherwise.



Nah..he would ask his chimp Bubbles what to do.

No his chimps name was CHEETA! :DL

[Tribesman]

It's called quote mining. Quite popular with these ''fammily'' organizations
But just for a laugh look at his latest source...
The following experts are from here:

...a fruitcake cretinist publication which quotes ......the Daily Mail:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

[ZeeWolf]

So no one should say what they think unless it's guaranteed that there will be an opposing opinion for each person?


I highly doubt that Tarzan would care one way or the other about this discussion.


Interesting. I'll come back to this.

I figure if that crowd (the wicked and adulterous generation) could hate and spit on Jesus.
For predicting the Temple in Jerusalem will be destroyed so utterly that not one stone would be
left upon another. And that is exactly what happened in 70A.D.
You're jumbling Biblical quotes and trying to force them into a mold they weren't made to fit. According to the Bible Jesus said "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign", which was a retort to the Pharisees when they demanded he prove himself by performing a supernatural feat. And the Pharisees, though Jews, could more aptly be compared to other religious/political leader wannabes, especially modern leaders of the Religious Right. Jesus never advocated hating any group despite knowing what was to happen.

Second, they didn't hate him and spit on him for predicting the destruction of the Temple. They did so because they were incited by the religious leaders, and they followed what they were told. And they weren't representative of all Jews, just the ones who were there that day. In that respect they were no different than the Germans who followed the Nazis. Not the Nazis themselves, but the otherwise good people who let perverted leaders goad them into acts of hatred.

Now, back to "reconsidering your plight". What exactly do you mean by this? That you're reconsidering whether you're right in your stated beliefs? Or whether you should even be here?


Do you really believe you're stupid, or is that just another arguing point?

As for helping you with "research", if you make a claim it's your job to back it up. In another discussion on another part of this forum, I uncovered evidence in support of the person opposing me. I brought this evidence forward, because I don't lie and I don't cheat. Likewise, if I stumbled on real evidence that supported your claims I would say so, and at least open it up for discussion, if not support it outright. That said, I'm not going to go looking for "facts" that support hatred, not that I believe there are any. So yes, in your quest to destroy anything and anyone you consider inferior or "wrong", you are indeed on your own.

Awe come on SS, I do not write as fast as you guys and therefore I become easily overwhelmed. Causing some frustration.
But I think I can get the hang of this stuff in due time and I will be less
of a drag on the conversations flow. I hope :)

ZeeWolf

[Takeda Shingen]

Maybe you should pull it back a little, ZeeWolf.

[ZeeWolf]

But just for a laugh look at his latest source...

...a fruitcake cretinist publication which quotes ......the Daily Mail:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

I changed my mind about Judy Ok

But here is the link:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/p...osexual-world/ (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/pedophilia-in-the-homosexual-world/)

A huge number of Christians know full well that the effort to label anything
Anti-"Gay" as "Hate Speech" and eventually silencing those Christians (like
myself) and denouncing them as "Christian Fundamentalist" or "Extremest"
has an end goal of legitimizing the sick depraved behavior of the homosexual
and suppressing anything anti-Progressive agenda.

But hey keep laughing :smug:

ZeeWolf

[ZeeWolf]

Maybe you should pull it back a little, ZeeWolf.

Ok Takeda Shingen, would you be so kind as to coach me on how I could do that?

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

[Takeda Shingen]

Ok Takeda Shingen, would you be so kind as to coach me on how I could do that?

Sincerely

ZeeWolf

Certainly. You should have received the guidelines for behavior as a moderator when you were granted the position by Neal Stevens. You may wish to read those at this time, as you are currently in violation of a number of them. You may also wish to change the course of your behavior before Mr. Stevens comes by.

You may feel strongly, but as moderators, we have the responsibility not to behave in this manner. Our freedom of speech is the most restrictive of any members on this forum. We are to serve so that others may enjoy.

[Onkel Neal]

Takeda is right. Even moderators (myself included) get caught up in a debate. There are times when one should take the foot off the gas and coast a bit.

[MH]

I changed my mind about Judy Ok

But here is the link:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/p...osexual-world/ (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/pedophilia-in-the-homosexual-world/)

A huge number of Christians know full well that the effort to label anything
Anti-"Gay" as "Hate Speech" and eventually silencing those Christians (like
myself) and denouncing them as "Christian Fundamentalist" or "Extremest"
has an end goal of legitimizing the sick depraved behavior of the homosexual
and suppressing anything anti-Progressive agenda.

But hey keep laughing :smug:

ZeeWolf

As far as statistics what about those demons lol-whats the point in this ideological quote exchange...

The evidence is that a higher percentage of Catholic priests and male Religious molest
children more than other ministers of religion. Clergy of all denominations do not molest
equally. In her foreword, the lawyer, Sylvia Demerest cites a 1995 survey of 19,000
treating professionals, funded by the National Centre on Child Abuse and Neglect. The
study found that in the US, 94% of abuses by religious authorities were sexual in nature.
Over half of these cases (54%) involved perpetrators and victims who were Catholic, even
though Roman Catholics comprise only 25% of the United States population. The minor
victims of priest abuse are overwhelmingly boys and teenagers, (80­90%), which is
contrary to the pattern of abuse in the general population.


Is not pedophilia a harshly treated crime in USA?

[ZeeWolf]

Takeda is right. Even moderators (myself included) get caught up in a debate. There are times when one should take the foot off the gas and coast a bit.

Ok, Neal I will.

Thanks neal and Takeda,

ZeeWolf

[Tribesman]

But here is the link:

That is the link I already refered to, is it yet another case of you not reading what you are linking to:yep:

But hey keep laughing
I will, just keep posting from cretinist publications which quote the Daily Mail.
Its always good to see their views on science ,though their views on "christianity" can be just as funny:rotfl2:

[Takeda Shingen]

Tribesman, things are under control. Leave him alone please.

[Gerald]

Back to topic!

[Lord_magerius]

How about we just lock this thread as Zeewolf seems to want to fill everything with his bile and hatred. It would have been a good thread except for a certain arshole who has the title of moderator (God knows how that happened) spoiling things. Not just this thread too, I could recite a list of threads that a certain person (aforementioned in the first sentence) has derailed with his narrow minded views and hate. Of course, such things don't matter, he's a mod now so his views are more worthy than anyone's of course.

Anywho back on topic, I think it's great! Finally the gay populace in NY can suffer like everyone else :O: