Amy Winehouse dead

[BossMark]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201107116036201

[Oberon]

She finally succeeded then, poor lass. She was a troubled one. Not a big fan of her music nor her lifestyle...but still a shame.

[Egan]

:cry:

A real shame. She was a genuinely talented singer with a real gift. I really liked her and she's not normally the sort of act I tend to listen to.

What is it about performers and the age 27?

[krashkart]

27 years of age. Seems to be a common age for troubled musicians to kick the bucket. Well, least she can finally rest her weary soul now. :-?

[Tribesman]

Shame

[danasan]

Well, I really love her music. Her lifestyle was another thing. It is really sad...

It is like all the other: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison etc. etc. etc.:nope:

[papa_smurf]

Was inevitable, waste of a great voice. Another talented voice lost to dugs/alcohol.

[antikristuseke]

Oh no, the world is a druggie short:shifty:

[BossMark]

Was inevitable, waste of a great voice. Another talented voice lost to dugs/alcohol.
I know its a shame, these celebrities must think that they are immune to drugs and alcohol :dead:

[mookiemookie]

I think I burned a hole in her first CD from playing it so much. Sad. Not a shock, but sad.

[Schroeder]

Another talent wasted. While I never liked her lifestyle I have to give her credit for a great voice. 27 isn't an age to go.

[Tribesman]

Not to be disrepectful at all, but taking this on a tangent given the quality of some of her work...
According to Robert Rankin what is the age good music work has to die at?

[danasan]

Live fast, die young

Edit: Let me add that she always had great musicians around her...

[Jimbuna]

Quite a talented singer/songwriter IMHO but sadly...not suprised looking back over recent years.

Such a waste :nope:

[joegrundman]

a truly inspired musician. very sad, but i guess she joins the hall of fame.

Oh no, the world is a druggie short:shifty:

but this is unbecoming from an otherwise intelligent commenter. remember, buster, we know what you used to look like, and if you weren't spliff powered, i'm a munce pudding.

[antikristuseke]

I wasn't. I have smoked weed, and on very rare occasions still do. But the total amount of times I have part taken in that is lower than my age.
Drug use and drug abuse are two completely different things in my book.

[joegrundman]

i stand by my statement. it was unbecoming and disappointing.

in her short life she contributed lots. what's your major contribution that you can be so contemptuous of her?

[Skybird]

Never understood the hype around her. She was absolutely talent-free, and that noise she made hardly could be called a voice so well that you should bring it to the ears of the world by what optimists use to euphemistically call "singing". Beside her lacking skill to sing, she had no other entertaining qualities on stage as well, because watching a stoned or drunken person collapsing or vomitting on stage is not entertaining, and her small steps when hoofing around had no entertaining attraction and was no dancing either. Her drug career and alcoholism is tragic, but not different to so many other lives derailed by drugs and alcohol as well but whose names nobody takes care of.

It is strange that our medias fill headlines with excesses like hers. Is thgere no real beuaty in the world to report, is there no important event going on somewhere? Are there no better idols we can offer to young people for orientation? She was no idol. She was a textbook example of what models you should not follow or admire.

[antikristuseke]

i stand by my statement. it was unbecoming and disappointing.

in her short life she contributed lots. what's your major contribution that you can be so contemptuous of her?

It is not her personally, but every talented artist, among whom I don't really count her to be, who wasted their life due to substance abuse which irritates me deeply. I just did not sugar coat what I had to say.

And besides my inappropriate sense of humour I have no contributions, but that goes down the line of thinking where you are not allowed to criticize unless you can do better yourself which is something I do not agree with, unless it refers to something tangible, like engineering a bridge for instance, and even there it would be rarely applicable.

[V.C. Sniper]

if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity.

[joegrundman]

oh dear! absolutely talent free he says!

here's something more to your taste skybird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZX2Tr5dGuk&feature=related

[joegrundman]

It is not her personally, but every talented artist, among whom I don't really count her to be, who wasted their life due to substance abuse which irritates me deeply. I just did not sugar coat what I had to say.

And besides my inappropriate sense of humour I have no contributions, but that goes down the line of thinking where you are not allowed to criticize unless you can do better yourself which is something I do not agree with, unless it refers to something tangible, like engineering a bridge for instance, and even there it would be rarely applicable.

there is criticism, and there is needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery. all disguised in this thing you mistake for a sense of humour.

[danasan]

can anybody direct me to the button for the ignore - list, please?

Edit: Found it, thanks

[JU_88]

Yeah I think with Winehouse an early grave was more of a case of 'when' rather than 'if'.
A shame and waste - but she only has her self to blame.

[The Enigma]

Janis Joplin died at 27.
Jimmy Hendrix died at the age of 27.
Jim Morrison also died at the age of 27.
Kurt Cobain died at the age of 27.

Just to name a few, and now Amy Winehouse.

What's so special about 27??

May she rest in peace.

[JU_88]

if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity.

You mean you still have hope? I would lower your expectaions if I were you.

[wardi]

It's all because drugs and alcohol...

[ORP BALTYK]

Dis ist bed wery bed mesage , aim laik miusic AMMY end nau aim sed wery sed end one more fink "**** happens":damn:

[antikristuseke]

there is criticism, and there is needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery. all disguised in this thing you mistake for a sense of humour.

Nothing more than a difference of opinion here then.:salute:

[joegrundman]

indeed :salute:

[Rockstar]

"Everyone involved with Amy is shocked and devasted."

liars


.

[Sailor Steve]

there is criticism, and there is needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery. all disguised in this thing you mistake for a sense of humour.
There is mistaken humor (of which I too have been accused recently) and there is "needless contempt and faux tough-boy hardassery". I think you're letting your bias control you. AK may be right and he may be wrong, but I don't think his comment was anything like what you described.

[Feuer Frei!]

It's a shame that some people make fun of people that have passed on.
Making jokes or disparaging remarks about that person is really sad and in bad taste.
Who gives a crap about the musical ability of this person, when, in actual fact, she is dead?
A person has died and we make fun of it, in our own little way.
I am sorry but that is disgusting to me.
I am saddened by her death, and indeed by any death. No matter what reasons or abilities, or lack of that she may have had.
May she rest in peace and let us hope that other people can learn from her trobled life that others don't needlessly follow in the same footpath and we spare 1 more life.

[Skybird]

To make that one sure, I commented on that part of her life that she made public all by herself and by which she disgraced herself. Public is public, and if somebody acts with so much lack of grace and honour, this does not all get deleted just because that person dies. Dying is no merit, nor an achievement. Her role was hyped and spiked in the media, and I reserve the right to question the wisdom of giving people such questionable biographies as idols, or presenting performances like hers as standards by which to define arts or artistic quality. Doing so does damage in the world of the still living - by adding deformation to said arts.

Today dozens and hundreds of people have died in Somalia again due to religious fanatism, drought, and starvation. That puts the meaning of a croaking Amy Whitehouse for the world of music into relation, I would say. But the headlines over her and the headlines over today's events in Somalia do not show that relation.

;)

[Feuer Frei!]

Indeed Skybird, i am not naming names however what use is it to repeat the media's reports on someone's trobled life in a time like this?
I do not see the sense in this, it is surely better to pay respects to someone, for our common decency and morality demands it, surely.
I will add that Amy had a troubled life, yes. She may have brought a lot of it on herself, but does this really matter now? Is this the time now to bisect and disect her life and how she is to blame for her plight, and ultimately, her death?
I think not. I think it is time to pay our respects to a troubled person, who did not deserve to fade from life. What she did deserve was the proper support mechanisms which all to often people do not have, and that will invariably lead to the path of death.
It saddens me that people do not have that support, for if they did, they surely would be still alive. Or increase their chances of surviuval.
Everyone deserves to live, no matter how troubled, no matter how much of a burden they bring upon themselves, and it hard for me to pass judgment on a person that has fallen, that did not have the means or the support to fight the troubles in her life.
Now, we can also assume, on the other side of the coin, did she really want help? Did she want to party and abuse substances like it was going out of fashion? More than likely.
But that once again shows that she had the wrong people that she surrounded herself with.
This makes the battle of recovery even harder, nigh impossible.
Yes, we all have a choice, yes we can chose a life of debauchery, of substance abuse and alcohol abuse. But we cannot always chose our support.
Support, the right support comes in many shapes and forms, and perhaps she did not want support, pushing it away. Or, worse even, she was never offered support.
This is a young life, that was wasted away.
Regardless of the reasons behind this, we should strive to offer our condolences and our wishes that any life out there that is going through these troubled times that Amy did, find support and the strength and will to beat it and continue to live. Because life is beautiful.
Skybird, Ich bin nicht böse mit Dir, und meinte eigentlich garnicht Dich.
Es sind ein paar andere Kommentare hier die wo sehr lausig sind. Wollte aber keine Nahmen nennen.

[TLAM Strike]

'They tried to make me go to rehab, I said No No No'Then the coroner pronounced her: dead, dead, dead...

:roll:

[Capt. Morgan]

I am surprised to see that some people seem to consider mental illness to be a choice or a lifestyle. Anybody who has ever had a loved one fall to it will tell you that it is no more of a choice than cancer.

I was hoping that she would make it, and greatly saddened to learn today that she didn't.

[Feuer Frei!]

I am surprised to see that some people seem to consider mental illness to be a choice or a lifestyle. Anybody who has ever had a loved one fall to it will tell you that it is no more of a choice than cancer.

I'm not sure who made those claims.
Re-reading the article at a brief glance it seems a drug overdose seems to have been the cause of death.
Mental illness may certainly have been a factor in her life.
I don't know for sure.
If you are referring to my posts, then it may appear that, when i am referring to choices, i am referring in actual fact to the choices one makes when drugs or alcohol are involved.
Mental illness is not to be taken lightly and i agree that it is often pushed to the side and drug abuse or alcohol abuse seems to take precedence.
Either way, her troubles are nothing new in the world. Her decline is nothing new. Her apparent lack of support is nothing new.
What is always mis-interpreted though is the actual facts of a case like this.
We only know what the media tells us, unless we are on the inside, and have first-hand knowledge of her circumstances.
However, one must remember that even though the media tells us that "she had rejected all help" does not mean that the offer of support was adequate, or even sufficient. What i mean by that is that one can offer support to a person and that person declines and we nod our heads and go "ah well, she doesn't need our help, we will let her be", or one can attempt different ways to increase or offer a support base, which is both appropriate and in a way that exhausts every possible avenue of rehab.
Once again, we are shy of the facts.
But to ridicule and to degrade someone's character, in light of the outcome, which is the death of a young woman, then that is not appropriate. Regardless of what those media hounds report.
It is easy to lose sight of the picture. It is easy to judge, it is easy to jump to conclusions. It seems to not be easy to show some sort of compassion to a fellow human being.

[jumpy]

I'm not sure who made those claims.
Re-reading the article at a brief glance it seems a drug overdose seems to have been the cause of death.
Mental illness may certainly have been a factor in her life.
I don't know for sure.
If you are referring to my posts, then it may appear that, when i am referring to choices, i am referring in actual fact to the choices one makes when drugs or alcohol are involved.
Mental illness is not to be taken lightly and i agree that it is often pushed to the side and drug abuse or alcohol abuse seems to take precedence.
Either way, her troubles are nothing new in the world. Her decline is nothing new. Her apparent lack of support is nothing new.
What is always mis-interpreted though is the actual facts of a case like this.
We only know what the media tells us, unless we are on the inside, and have first-hand knowledge of her circumstances.
However, one must remember that even though the media tells us that "she had rejected all help" does not mean that the offer of support was adequate, or even sufficient. What i mean by that is that one can offer support to a person and that person declines and we nod our heads and go "ah well, she doesn't need our help, we will let her be", or one can attempt different ways to increase or offer a support base, which is both appropriate and in a way that exhausts every possible avenue of rehab.
Once again, we are shy of the facts.
But to ridicule and to degrade someone's character, in light of the outcome, which is the death of a young woman, then that is not appropriate. Regardless of what those media hounds report.
It is easy to lose sight of the picture. It is easy to judge, it is easy to jump to conclusions. It seems to not be easy to show some sort of compassion to a fellow human being.

It's my experience that drug and alcohol use/addiction (I say use and addiction separately for a reason) are just one symptom of something more serious; if you will, they are a crutch used to support the weight of a greater, underlying problem. What starts in all innocence, rapidly takes on a life of its own.

As far as helping those people who suffer psychological problems... well, quite simply, some people don't want to be helped. Not even with all the money and time and compassion in the world. That's part of what makes them mad.

Pity though, seeing her when she was first on 'later with jools holland' and watching what she became more recently. Not a pretty sight - and one reason why I tuned her career commentary out, because what has happened is of no real surprise.
However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.

[Castout]

Perhaps 27 is the age of the crossroad in life.

The age when you choose whether to live as a decent person with conscience or the opposite without any moral attachment, making peace with the devil, your own and outside.

Those who died probably couldn't decide. Sure they had a messy life but if you are without any moral attachment there's no messy which is too messy I'd think.

The bad thing is those who died are probably the better people than some of those who completely lost their humanity.

Of course the majority of us are probably right in the middle, never being strictly attached to our conscience but also never losing our humanity completely. The latter being the reason why most person continues. I sincerely believe no normal person can continue living without any good in him/her unless the person of course is not normal.

But meh that's just my 2 cents.

[Feuer Frei!]

However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.
I agree with all you posted, and the quote underlines the point i have tried to make all along.
Pretty primitive really, making fun of other people's misfortune.

[Jimbuna]

I agree with all you posted, and the quote underlines the point i have tried to make all along.
Pretty primitive really, making fun of other people's misfortune.

Consideration could be given to allowing this page to sink back a few increments through lack of input...it appears those for and against the individual and the details surrounding the tragedy have had their say :hmmm:

Just a thought.

[Skybird]

It's my experience that drug and alcohol use/addiction (I say use and addiction separately for a reason) are just one symptom of something more serious; if you will, they are a crutch used to support the weight of a greater, underlying problem. What starts in all innocence, rapidly takes on a life of its own.

As far as helping those people who suffer psychological problems... well, quite simply, some people don't want to be helped. Not even with all the money and time and compassion in the world. That's part of what makes them mad.

Pity though, seeing her when she was first on 'later with jools holland' and watching what she became more recently. Not a pretty sight - and one reason why I tuned her career commentary out, because what has happened is of no real surprise.
However, generally it does no good speaking ill of the dead, whoever they may have been in life.
It also does no damage to the dead to speak realistical (or bad) of them. And if it is the living you are worried about, then these people surviving AW must ask themselves why they did not give better support and cared better for her while she was still alive.

And all this does not touch upon the question at all whether her accoustic contribution to the world of music was valuable or not. I say she has been massively overestimated, and I say we have a problem with our sick media and our sick mass "art" consummation enobling standards that simply do nót deserve that, but get cleverly marketed and sold to make the big money.

The music business, classical and non-classical, is a snake pit, and the taste of the mass market, the artistic competence of the statistically normal standard consumer, is lousy. And so the radios play BS from midnight till midnight, and those being raised with that from childhood on do never learn it any better and thus think that noise to be "art". Ha...!

My taste of music is very diverse and widespread, it goes from classic to swing, from jazz to pop and rock, from Gregorian chant to 80s synthesizer. But taste ion AW's case is njot the issue. It is quality and musical competence - or the lack of. And lack of quality cannot always be relativised by claiming it all to be a question of taste.

[danasan]

It's a shame that some people make fun of people that have passed on.
Making jokes or disparaging remarks about that person is really sad and in bad taste.
Who gives a crap about the musical ability of this person, when, in actual fact, she is dead?
A person has died and we make fun of it, in our own little way.
I am sorry but that is disgusting to me.
I am saddened by her death, and indeed by any death. No matter what reasons or abilities, or lack of that she may have had.
May she rest in peace and let us hope that other people can learn from her trobled life that others don't needlessly follow in the same footpath and we spare 1 more life.

Thanks for that comment.

[bweiss]

R.I.P.

[mookiemookie]

Using this thread to come out of the woodwork and fart out your opinion on her perceived lack of talent doesn't do anything but make you look like a first class a-hole.

Think about it.

[Torplexed]

It's just sad, that's all. :cry:

A young woman with some talent and a neon sign on her forehead saying HELP ME BUT NOT REALLY and she dies.

[Hottentot]

I couldn't name even one of her songs, nor did I follow her personal life in any way, so I can't honestly say anything about them.

But 27 just is too young. For anyone. That I can say :nope:.

[Skybird]

Using this thread to come out of the woodwork and fart out your opinion on her perceived lack of talent doesn't do anything but make you look like a first class a-hole.

Think about it.
Getting sentimental over a stranger you never knew and then wallowing in your feelings over that dear loss and trying to enoble your own "sensitivity" by claiming it to be a loss of talent and a loss for arts, does not make you look any different. ;)

If people would not have hyped her so high onto that podest so that she became dizzy and found no grip in life to hold on - then she would not have been able to fell so deep.

And maybe she would still live, and would have made something of her life instead of what there has been in self-destruction in the past years.

I see the hypocrites shedding plenty of crocodile tears there.

[Feuer Frei!]

Unfortunately, as much as some people would like this thread to be about her musical talents, IT SADLY IS NOT.
To some, the question seems to be: Have we lost a musical talent?
Whereas to others the question is: Have we lost a life?

And the media reports, and does that mean we immediately jump on the band wagon and parrot the B.S. and one-sided regurgitated ****e that a person who is in the spotlight, for the right reasons (because she was indeed a talented musician, heck, Tony Bennett thought so), to the wrong reasons (drug abuse, alcohol abuse).
Well, you know what? That's someone's daughter out there.
How would you feel if the public critized your daughter's musical talents, rather than paid respects and moved on. And let her rest in piece.

[mookiemookie]

Getting sentimental over a stranger you never knew and then wallowing in your feelings over that dear loss and trying to enoble your own "sensitivity" by claiming it to be a loss of talent and a loss for arts, does not make you look any different. ;)

If people would not have hyped her so high onto that podest so that she became dizzy and found no grip in life to hold on - then she would not have been able to fell so deep.

And maybe she would still live, and would have made something of her life instead of what there has been in self-destruction in the past years.

I see the hypocrites shedding plenty of crocodile tears there.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Steveyoung202]

She took one too many torps in her bilge, now heading for the deep 6..

[Feuer Frei!]

And now you cry crocodile tears, you all...?
Keine Tränen, nur ein bißchen Respekt, das ist alles. :salute:

[mookiemookie]

Keine Tränen, nur ein bißchen Respekt, das ist alles. :salute:

Apparently that's beyond the completely logical Mr. Spock.

[Tribesman]

Think about it.
well you would have a point if he hadn't posted his achievements and contributions in the music world which eclipse the so called talents of that particular musician. He is known for his deep insightful talented work ....though some might say this is someone whose "masterpieces" are more like the writings of Theo K or that flawed" intellect" of Breivig.

All that needs to be said about Winehouse is good voice, some good performances, some good songs and a tragic downward spiral that those closest to her couldn't stop.

[Winston]

This is sad but not unexpected news. I'll not judge myself as I have known a few addicts, recoverd or not and frankly different people deal differently with addiction. Some poeple can fight there way back from it but some people can really struggle. Some people, it just consumes totally so there never the same again. Even the more socially acceptable drugs can take contol of somones life, indeed I am of the oppinion that alcohol is the most distructive drug in our sociaty.

As is true with most things there are often two sides to observe. Amy Winehouse gave much love and support to her goddaughter Dionne Bromfield. I hope no one would mind if I were to post a few vidios in so that we might remember her without all the scandle and muck that is a red tops daily bread.

Jamming a few years back...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R61DDCzyub0

Lending support vocals on stricly come dancing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziK5jTailtQ&feature=related

The last time she ever took to the stage...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0kfAwQ2qA

Rest in peace Amy.

[TorpX]

I knew she had her problems, but was surprised to hear she died. 27 years is not very old, even for show biz people. It's just sad. It seems like when people are scarred early in life, they can never fully recover.

R.I.P.

[ZeeWolf]

This truly is a tragedy. :cry: I always looked at her as the icon (in the flesh) of
the collapse and death of the British Empire. The true cultural Queen of
England.

ZeeWolf

[Skybird]

Keine Tränen, nur ein bißchen Respekt, das ist alles. :salute:
Wenn so ein Traaraa um so eine angetüterte Pappnase veranstaltet wird, und eine selbstzerstörerische Möchtegerngroß ohne Anstand und Ehrgefühl aber vollem Hang zum Volldrogenkonsum sogar als eine führende Kulturikone unserer Zeit bezeichnet wird, derweil wirklich hochwertige Kunst - auch im Sinne von "Können" - im Supermarkt zu Ramschpreisen verscherbelt und damit kaputt gemacht wird und Menschen, die wirklich etwas Respektables leisten und bewunderswerte Fähigkeiten haben, klein gehalten werden oder ignoriert werden, dann macht mich das einfach stinkig. Außerdem zeigt es, wie kaputt unsere sogenannte "Kulturlandschaft" eigentlich ist.


In Berlin gibt/gab es ein sogenanntes "Kulturzentrum", ein völlig zugeschmiertes Hausbesetzerprojekt, sozial runtergewirtschaftet, verdreckt und zugemüllt, das als großes Kulturzentrum und Gemäldegallerie bezeichnet wurde und linken Senat auch noch bezuschußt wurde. dabei sah das Haus aus wie eine eine Müllhalde, und wurde von Asozialen bewohnt, die nach Kräften gegen das soziale System lästerten, von dessen Zuwendungfen sie sich nichtsdestotrotz nährten, weil richtig zu Arbeiten etwas war, wofür sich die Farbeutelwerfer, verzeihung: die Künstler, zu%

[Jimbuna]

Bad manners gents considering this is a predominantly English language forum :nope:

[Cohaagen]

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[Skybird]

Bad manners gents considering this is a predominantly English language forum :nope:
"You Brits cannot really appreciate Shakespeare as long as you haven't read him in German original! ;)"


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[Winston]

Skybird, I liked the music she made. I was a fan of hers and with all due respect would ask you to tone it down a bit. This young woman is dead, right now her family is in morning and I personally beleve that all decent people should at least offer up modicum of respect to those who are still alive. You accuse people of hypocriticy and crying crocodile tears but you are very wrong in this. I'm not sure what elce I can say.

[Jimbuna]

"You Brits cannot really appreciate Shakespeare as long as you haven't read him in German original! ;)"


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All I know is I put it through my translator and it didn't decipher the text in much that I could understand but without jumping to conclusions I did read a few words which had me wondering about the full contextual meaning.

I am simply asking that we show a modicum of respect for the loss of a life...love her or hate her it is the only decent thing to do IMHO because she was a human being.

[Skybird]

All I know is I put it through my translator and it didn't decipher the text in much that I could understand but without jumping to conclusions I did read a few words which had me wondering about the full contextual meaning.

I am simply asking that we show a modicum of respect for the loss of a life...love her or hate her it is the only decent thing to do IMHO because she was a human being.

It is not respectful to many other artists who died or still live to hail and lift AW onto such a high podest and labelling her a monument of cultural life. I don'T feel like disturbing a funeral mood here. Just complaining about how somebody who was by far neither a saint nor an idol for the younger people to follow - nevertheless gets turned into right these. I neither loved or hated her, since I did not know her and simply do not care for this single death any more than for any other foreign person's death I never came into contact with. But it is hilarious to declare somebody a monument of cultural life, just because the person died, and in her case it degrades many others who simply achieved more, lived with more dignity and respectability, or stayed unknown, but neverthless had more talent and skill than AW. You guys establish false idols here - this is what makes me angry, it'S not about just some sound that you call music and I call noise, since it happens so often in our sick rotten cultural scene that the mediocre or bad ones get celebrated and glorified, and the better ones are kept down because they have no media lobby to hype them. Not even mentioning the private lives of public people. Newspaper headlines on her everywhere, and how big a loss, and how tragic her life and what a gap she leaves in music. Absurd!

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be. ;)

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.

P.S. V.C. Viper put it best in this whole thread: "if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity."

[mookiemookie]

It is not respectful to many other artists who died or still live to hail and lift AW onto such a high podest and labelling her a monument of cultural life. I don'T feel like disturbing a funeral mood here. Just complaining about how somebody who was by far neither a saint nor an idol for the younger people to follow - nevertheless gets turned into right these. I neither loved or hated her, since I did not know her and simply do not care for this single death any more than for any other foreign person's death I never came into contact with. But it is hilarious to declare somebody a monument of cultural life, just because the person died, and in her case it degrades many others who simply achieved more, lived with more dignity and respectability, or stayed unknown, but neverthless had more talent and skill than AW. You guys establish false idols here - this is what makes me angry, it'S not about just some sound that you call music and I call noise, since it happens so often in our sick rotten cultural scene that the mediocre or bad ones get celebrated and glorified, and the better ones are kept down because they have no media lobby to hype them. Not even mentioning the private lives of public people. Newspaper headlines on her everywhere, and how big a loss, and how tragic her life and what a gap she leaves in music. Absurd!

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be. ;)

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.

P.S. V.C. Viper put it best in this whole thread: "if the death of stephen hawking (hope will never happen) creates less buzz than this, i will lose hope in humanity."

Just because you don't find it worthy to mourn someone's passing doesn't mean you have to come into a thread about it and slag off on people who do. You're being extremely rude.

[danasan]

I like the idea of the ignore - list. But sadly - if all these walls of text are quoted...:hmmm:

[evan82]

She died from "happiness".

[jumpy]

We make to loud a tamtam about too small a human, if it fits the purpose to fill the headlines, but we ignore and remain silent about to many others who deserved our attention or respect much more. This is what it is about.



Yer, I can see where you're coming from, but the way you have reinforced your point might have been better served had it been addressed to something more appropriate*.
Like the phone hacking/news of the world/murdoch scandal and the attention it has received in the media and politics, which is entirely disproportional when there's lots of more serious and life changing events happening world wide, famine, war, natural disaster... that kind of stuff.

You'd certainly have had more support (and for the same reasons as you intended to express here) from those taking a more respectful stance to someone's untimely death.

You could have shown a little more tact and chosen a better subject to make your point and with a more positive outcome, is all I'm saying.

* where you might have been less likely to encroach on the 'sounding disrespectful/insensitive' territory.

[Jimbuna]

And dear mods, if you choose for this way like above, then go all the way - delete the rest of that earlier post too. The half-finished business you left behind helps neither you nor me nor anybody, just make those able to understand German wondering what that fragment should be. ;)



'WE MODS' (to use your terminology) will have no other option than to act in accordance with the SubSim rules the moment it is decided that the comments in this thread are deemed contrary to what is contained within said SubSim rules or expected and classed as acceptable behaviour of the SubSim Community.

I sincerely hope that in the meantime I can count on your understanding of what is classed as acceptable decorum on this forum.

This community deserves nothing less.

Any further exchanges I would hope can be served via PM....(copying Neal in of course).

With Respect
Jimbuna

[Hottentot]

Wenn so ein Traaraa um so eine angetüterte Pappnase veranstaltet wird, und eine selbstzerstörerische Möchtegerngroß ohne Anstand und Ehrgefühl aber vollem Hang zum Volldrogenkonsum sogar als eine führende Kulturikone unserer Zeit bezeichnet wird, derweil wirklich hochwertige Kunst - auch im Sinne von "Können" - im Supermarkt zu Ramschpreisen verscherbelt und damit kaputt gemacht wird und Menschen, die wirklich etwas Respektables leisten und bewunderswerte Fähigkeiten haben, klein gehalten werden oder ignoriert werden, dann macht mich das einfach stinkig. Außerdem zeigt es, wie kaputt unsere sogenannte "Kulturlandschaft" eigentlich ist.


In Berlin gibt/gab es ein sogenanntes "Kulturzentrum", ein völlig zugeschmiertes Hausbesetzerprojekt, sozial runtergewirtschaftet, verdreckt und zugemüllt, das als großes Kulturzentrum und Gemäldegallerie bezeichnet wurde und linken Senat auch noch bezuschußt wurde. dabei sah das Haus aus wie eine eine Müllhalde, und wurde von Asozialen bewohnt, die nach Kräften gegen das soziale System lästerten, von dessen Zuwendungfen sie sich nichtsdestotrotz nährten, weil richtig zu Arbeiten etwas war, wofür sich die Farbeutelwerfer, verzeihung: die Künstler, zu%

Juu ja miä puhu savvoo mut elekee ny isoot immeiset julukisella paekalla kehakko.

[Magic1111]

Keine Tränen, nur ein bißchen Respekt, das ist alles. :salute:

2nd this !!! :yep:

Best regards,
Magic

[Onkel Neal]

Yer, I can see where you're coming from, but the way you have reinforced your point might have been better served had it been addressed to something more appropriate*.
Like the phone hacking/news of the world/murdoch scandal and the attention it has received in the media and politics, which is entirely disproportional when there's lots of more serious and life changing events happening world wide, famine, war, natural disaster... that kind of stuff.

You'd certainly have had more support (and for the same reasons as you intended to express here) from those taking a more respectful stance to someone's untimely death.

You could have shown a little more tact and chosen a better subject to make your point and with a more positive outcome, is all I'm saying.

* where you might have been less likely to encroach on the 'sounding disrespectful/insensitive' territory.


Agreed.

Sky, you have to remember, someone who is inconsequential to you may be a big deal to someone else. When they die and a thread is posted to remember them, it's best not to start devalueing them in that thread (as long as they are normal people and not a KKK Grand Dragon, Saddam Hussein, or Pol Pot type evil). When and if Stephen Hawking dies (whoever that is), I promise the same rules will apply.

Now, let's allow those folks who are interested in this celeb to have their discussion, mate.

[kiwi_2005]

RIP Amy Winehouse - Loved your song Rehab.