The 9th Circus got one right!!!

[Osmium Steele]

In the "Even a Blind Squirrel" category...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/07/online-call-to-shoot-obama-was-free-speech-not-a-crime-appeals-court-rules.html


Man's call for Obama assassination is free speech, not crime, court rules

[Armistead]

Our courts, mostly the highly courts show that judges follow ideals over the law, all the way to the supreme court.

[Osmium Steele]

Our courts, mostly the highly courts show that judges follow ideals over the law, all the way to the supreme court.

Hence, my surprise. :salute:

[August]

Our courts, mostly the highly courts show that judges follow ideals over the law, all the way to the supreme court.

Is that a gut feeling or do you have some sort of data to back up that theory.

[Bubblehead1980]

wow I am shocked, that court is usually a joke.Great ruling:salute:

[Morts]

wow I am shocked, that court is usually a joke.Great ruling:salute:
are you effin serious ?

[Anthony W.]

Unless that man is strutting down the street with a machine gun, rocket launchers, ect...

I agree with the ruling.

[gimpy117]

I don't. He's calling for the murder of someone. that's not right no matte who it is!

[Tribesman]

I don't. He's calling for the murder of someone. that's not right no matte who it is!
But that isn't the point, he may be a braindead racist prick but under that law he can encourage people to murder "******s", as long as he doesn't intend doing it himself.

[Anthony W.]

But that isn't the point, he may be a braindead racist prick but under that law he can encourage people to murder "******s", as long as he doesn't intend doing it himself.

And the odds of anyone's calls for anything actually doing anything - are - well - slim to none at best. At the first sign of danger, anyhow, the CIA would be all over them.

[Morts]

And the odds of anyone's calls for anything actually doing anything - are - well - slim to none at best. At the first sign of danger, anyhow, the CIA would be all over them.
that doesnt mean its okay to call for the murder of another person, just because there is a slim chance of it actually happening

[razark]

At the first sign of danger, anyhow, the CIA would be all over them.
Wouldn't the first sign of danger be someone calling for people to commit murder?

If it was a Muslim calling for people to kill Americans, this thread would have a very different response.

[Takeda Shingen]

And the odds of anyone's calls for anything actually doing anything - are - well - slim to none at best. At the first sign of danger, anyhow, the CIA would be all over them.

The odds that a washed up actor would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none at best.

The odds that a shady business man and failed preacher would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none at best.

The odds that an anarchic immigrant would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a former Marine Corps radio operator would [most likely, for you conspiracy types] shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a house painter would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a private eye would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a saloon keeper would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that an Italian immigrant would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that two Puerto Rican sepratists would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a retired Postal Service employee would attempt to suicide bomb the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a mentally unstable high school dropout would attempt to crash a commercial airliner into the White House were slim-to-none.

The odds that a disallusioned drug addict would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds than a man obsessed with Jodie Foster would shoot and attempt to kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would attempt to crash his Cessna into the White House were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would take pot shots at the White House from the peremiter fence were slim-to-none.

The odds that a group posing as reporters would attempt to kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a disaffected Armenian would attempt to kill the President of the United States with a hand grenade were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would travel from Baltimore by train to attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

[Bubblehead1980]

The odds that a washed up actor would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none at best.

The odds that a shady business man and failed preacher would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none at best.

The odds that an anarchic immigrant would shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a former Marine Corps radio operator would [most likely, for you conspiracy types] shoot and kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a house painter would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a private eye would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a saloon keeper would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that an Italian immigrant would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that two Puerto Rican sepratists would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a retired Postal Service employee would attempt to suicide bomb the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a mentally unstable high school dropout would attempt to crash a commercial airliner into the White House were slim-to-none.

The odds that a disallusioned drug addict would attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds than a man obsessed with Jodie Foster would shoot and attempt to kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would attempt to crash his Cessna into the White House were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would take pot shots at the White House from the peremiter fence were slim-to-none.

The odds that a group posing as reporters would attempt to kill the President of the United States were slim-to-none.

The odds that a disaffected Armenian would attempt to kill the President of the United States with a hand grenade were slim-to-none.

The odds that a man would travel from Baltimore by train to attempt to shoot the President of the United States were slim-to-none.


So should we just piss all over the 1st amendment because someone might actually do something? This guy was talking trash and should not have even been arrested.Just glad the circus recongized that.

[Bubblehead1980]

are you effin serious ?


Absolutely.

[Morts]

Absolutely.
:damn: i feel bad for people like you

[Takeda Shingen]

So should we just piss all over the 1st amendment because someone might actually do something? This guy was talking trash and should not have even been arrested.Just glad the circus recongized that.

Anthony said that this sort of thing was against the odds. I feel that history demonstrates that this is not true. Your point creates a strawman argument in that I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting.

[Anthony W.]

Anthony said that this sort of thing was against the odds. I feel that history demonstrates that this is not true. Your point creates a strawman argument in that I said nothing of the sort that you are suggesting.

Then... Maybe the President should listen to the people (everyone - not just his side of the aisle - most people from the other side will not both going to one of those rallies so that idea is out) so people don't want to kill him? Professionals estimated the Washington DC national Tea Party rally had over 1.3 million people - the pres. brushed it off and put out a story that there were only 300,000 (it takes more than 300,000 to fill the national mall till people can't move like they did). I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with what the protesters were saying - but the pres. should not have ignored it like he did.

People will get insanely angry when the officials aren't listening to them.

Am I saying its okay for people to call for murder? No. Not at all. What I am saying is that it shouldn't be federally illegal. Besides, I think that the people who would really murder a president are the ones that would NOT be screaming it in the streets and over the internet...

[August]

Then... Maybe the President should listen to the people (everyone - not just his side of the aisle - most people from the other side will not both going to one of those rallies so that idea is out) so people don't want to kill him? Professionals estimated the Washington DC national Tea Party rally had over 1.3 million people - the pres. brushed it off and put out a story that there were only 300,000 (it takes more than 300,000 to fill the national mall till people can't move like they did). I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with what the protesters were saying - but the pres. should not have ignored it like he did.

There will always be someone who wants to kill the President. There is nothing a President can do, including doing nothing, that would keep him safe from every nut that is out there.

Regardless of what or who the president ignores there is no justification for death threats.

[Anthony W.]

There will always be someone who wants to kill the President. There is nothing a President can do, including doing nothing, that would keep him safe from every nut that is out there.

Regardless of what or who the president ignores there is no justification for death threats.

Agreed - but maybe we need to make a distinction that the 9th circuit may or may not have. Isn't there a difference between "Someone should kill the president." and "I'm going to kill the president."

The first is just an opinion. The second is a direct threat - and that should be illegal.

[razark]

Maybe the President should listen to the people ... so people don't want to kill him?
So, using threats of violence to influence national policy?

Isn't that the very definition of terrorism?

[Anthony W.]

So, using threats of violence to influence national policy?

Isn't that the very definition of terrorism?

Ehh - just a bit of my discontent coming out. I was at that rally.

[Bubblehead1980]

:damn: i feel bad for people like you


I find what he said repgunant but it is his right to say what he did, plain and simple.Would I say it? no! but again that is his right under the US Constitution.I see you that hail from Denmark so you may not be aware of what kooks the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals usually are.They have handed down some really outlandish decisions over the years but they finally got this one right.Nice to see their not the rigid left wing hacks they seem to be at times.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Personally, I don't think it is even that repugnant if the fella really feels that strongly against Obama.

Let's face it, considering the responsibility placed on them and how many people their decisions can affect, Presidents and other high officials really get it off easy. Wreck the economy and put one million people out of work, worst thing that really happens to him is he doesn't get re-elected. Big deal.

Meanwhile, some lowly criminal that hurts ONE guy gets prison and a conviction record.

There is no way to completely equalize this disparity, but a risk of death for failure would be a start.

[Takeda Shingen]

Then... Maybe the President should listen to the people (everyone - not just his side of the aisle - most people from the other side will not both going to one of those rallies so that idea is out) so people don't want to kill him? Professionals estimated the Washington DC national Tea Party rally had over 1.3 million people - the pres. brushed it off and put out a story that there were only 300,000 (it takes more than 300,000 to fill the national mall till people can't move like they did). I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with what the protesters were saying - but the pres. should not have ignored it like he did.

People will get insanely angry when the officials aren't listening to them.

Am I saying its okay for people to call for murder? No. Not at all. What I am saying is that it shouldn't be federally illegal. Besides, I think that the people who would really murder a president are the ones that would NOT be screaming it in the streets and over the internet...

I am fairly certain that the so-called Tea Party and it's rallies have nothing to do with death threats against the President of the United States, or so we have been told over and over again by their pundits. That is, of course, unless you would like to challenge that assertion.

[Anthony W.]

I am fairly certain that the so-called Tea Party and it's rallies have nothing to do with death threats against the President of the United States, or so we have been told over and over again by their pundits. That is, of course, unless you would like to challenge that assertion.

Not by any means. I just used them as an example to highlight the disconnect.

[Takeda Shingen]

Let's face it, considering the responsibility placed on them and how many people their decisions can affect, Presidents and other high officials really get it off easy. Wreck the economy and put one million people out of work, worst thing that really happens to him is he doesn't get re-elected. Big deal.

In fairness, the American economy was in shambles well before Barack Obama took office. His failing lies within the fact that his administration's efforts have not made ground in turning things around as he promised they would. I would be giving him the benefit of the doubt even if there was evidence of growth; it will take many years to fully recover. However, things continue to look as grim as they did before he took office. For that he must, and will, answer to the American voter. If he is able to make the case for himself, he will be re-elected. If his opponent is able to make the better case, then he will not be.

[Takeda Shingen]

Not by any means. I just used them as an example to highlight the disconnect.

Or perceived disconnect, depending on your point of view. Much relativism in politics.

[Tribesman]

Then... Maybe the President should listen to the people Indeed, so does that mean that .50cals should be supplied to the people for shooting cars of "******s"? After all just look at the video and see how they would burn :doh:
People will get insanely angry when the officials aren't listening to them.

yes, because the president is a "******" and "sambo" is and always has been good for nothing........enough to make you mad eh?

I just used them as an example to highlight the disconnect.
So when people have been saying the tea party contains quite a lot of racists and idiots you use a topic about a racist idiot to sing the virtues of the tea party and the disconnect of the populace:rotfl2:

I was at that rally.
Were you really?
Are you sure you wasn't riding a unicycle while carrying an elephant for which you were inventing a laser beam as an eye?

[Anthony W.]

Indeed, so does that mean that .50cals should be supplied to the people for shooting cars of "******s"? After all just look at the video and see how they would burn :doh:

yes, because the president is a "******" and "sambo" is and always has been good for nothing........enough to make you mad eh?


So when people have been saying the tea party contains quite a lot of racists and idiots you use a topic about a racist idiot to sing the virtues of the tea party and the disconnect of the populace:rotfl2:


Were you really?
Are you sure you wasn't riding a unicycle while carrying an elephant for which you were inventing a laser beam as an eye?

The fact that the keynote speaker for the rally I was at was in fact an African American proves everything you just said wrong. In fact, there are actually a lot of African American members of the Tea Party. In fact, if you ever find yourself in the US, come to one of them. Good music, good food, good people.

[Tribesman]

The fact that the keynote speaker for the rally I was at was in fact an African American proves everything you just said wrong.
Only if you have reading and comprehension problems.
Try again:rotfl2:

[Anthony W.]

Only if you have reading and comprehension problems.
Try again:rotfl2:

Then come to the US and show up at one

But you go ahead and think what you think - not like either of us are proving anything.

[Snestorm]

Freedom Of Speech isn't written into Constitutions to protect Popular Speech, which requires no protection.

[mookiemookie]

In fact, there are actually a lot of African American members of the Tea Party.

1% is not a lot.

[Growler]

I remember seeing signs posted at airports when I was a kid that warned travellers NOT to even joke about bombs, guns, or hijackings when passing through security.

Now, the presence of those signs told me a couple of things. One was that, even under the First Amendment, some things you say can still get you in trouble, not for the fact that they're things you're not allowed to say, but because they're things that maybe you oughtn't say at that particular time and place. The other thing it told me was that enough people are stupid enough to need signs to remind them of this.

I agree with the court's decision based on this. What he said was protected speech, but saying it now, in this desperate and politically volatile time, maybe wasn't the smartest thing to do.

[Anthony W.]

1% is not a lot.

There were better numbers at the rally I was at

But, it is a fact that there are simply more white people in the country, and, that by percentage of demographic, a far higher percentage of white people vote than the percentage of African Americans.

[August]

1% is not a lot.

Where did you get that figure?

[Tribesman]

Then come to the US and show up at one

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Leaving aside your use of the word "fact" which is a concept you have shown a real problem with lets just put it plainly
Don't you understand the plain truth that your "proof" failed to address even a single issue that you think it was an answer to:doh:

But you go ahead and think what you think - not like either of us are proving anything.
But you are, you have proven again and again that you are a child who lies a hell of a lot, often in the most ridiculous manner.:yep:

[Anthony W.]

But you are, you have proven again and again that you are a child who lies a hell of a lot, often in the most ridiculous manner.:yep:

I'm done with going down to your level. You keep talking smack and getting your blood pressure up, I'll keep living my life and having all the fun physically possible :yep:

[mookiemookie]

Where did you get that figure?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529-503544.html

[Tribesman]

I'm done with going down to your level.
You havn't even made it onto the field, let alone risen to any level beyond lying schoolchild

I'll keep living my life and having all the fun physically possible
If you were having all the fun physicly possible you probably wouldn't feel the need to post so many ridiculous lies. Perhaps you should try living your life instead of just bull****ting

[Anthony W.]

You havn't even made it onto the field, let alone risen to any level beyond lying schoolchild


If you were having all the fun physicly possible you probably wouldn't feel the need to post so many ridiculous lies. Perhaps you should try living your life instead of just bull****ting

And perhaps you should learn to accept that there are actually other people in this world that are different than you.

I go out every night of the week, how about you? Seems like you're on way too much to actually have a life. In fact, I think you're lying about everything YOU have ever said on here.

[August]

And perhaps you should learn to accept that there are actually other people in this world that are different than you.

I go out every night of the week, how about you? Seems like you're on way too much to actually have a life. In fact, I think you're lying about everything YOU have ever said on here.

Dude, feeding the trolls is always a waste of time. Just put him on ignore like everyone else has and be done with him.

[Sailor Steve]

In fact, I think you're lying about everything YOU have ever said on here.
That might be hard, seeing that Tribesman never actually says anything about himself.

On the other hand, while his antics annoy me I do agree with him. You have said a great many things that are suspicious to say the least. You seem to talk yourself up a lot, and much of it is hard to believe. I wouldn't go so far as to accuse you of anything, but your word is not exactly trusted around these parts. That may not bother you, but if you want to make real friends here you might not want to boast so much.

[Anthony W.]

Dude, feeding the trolls is always a waste of time. Just put him on ignore like everyone else has and be done with him.

I actually had no idea there was an ignore button lol

I shall find it...

[Takeda Shingen]

Regardless of whatever Anthony's political views are, he stated them in a way that was not insulting to any member of this forum. He does not deserve to be treated in this manner.

The only child I see in this thread is you, Tribesman. You are, in my opinion, no better than waste_gate/Castle Bravo/spooka2/The Third Man. Shame on you.

[Tribesman]

That might be hard, seeing that Tribesman never actually says anything about himself.

Your memory must be slipping Steve:03:

Regardless of whatever Anthony's political views are
It has nothing whatsoever to do with any political views he may or may not hold.
He does not deserve to be treated in this manner.

How should a seemingly compulsive liar be treated?

[mookiemookie]

How should a seemingly compulsive liar be treated?

Is it worth it, though? You're a smart guy and you make good points, but people will focus on the negativity and use it against you. Don't let them. Pick your battles.

[Tribesman]

Is it worth it, though?
It is the one thing I really cannot abide.

You're a smart guy and you make good points
No on the first and don't tell Steve on the second:03:

Pick your battles.
I did, like I said the ruling was correct.
It then developed when the right of a racist idiot to call for the murder of a president because apparently "******s" are worthless scum being protected morphed into "the president should listen to the people".....not the greatest direction especially given the widely held perception of some parts of the tea party and of course the problems with Giffords shooting and Palins awkward rhetoric over taking aim at politicians you don't like.

Since A/W with his record of truthfullness managed to respond to a post yet not address a single issue in it while still writing "fact" ..."fact"... "fact" it just opened the field up

[Anthony W.]

It is the one thing I really cannot abide.


No on the first and don't tell Steve on the second:03:


I did, like I said the ruling was correct.
It then developed when the right of a racist idiot to call for the murder of a president because apparently "******s" are worthless scum being protected morphed into "the president should listen to the people".....not the greatest direction especially given the widely held perception of some parts of the tea party and of course the problems with Giffords shooting and Palins awkward rhetoric over taking aim at politicians you don't like.

Since A/W with his record of truthfullness managed to respond to a post yet not address a single issue in it while still writing "fact" ..."fact"... "fact" it just opened the field up

Here's my question - why - just because the president is black - do you immediately jump to the accusation of racism?

To be 100% honest, I know a guy that said Obama is better off assassinated (I don't agree). He (the guy) isn't racist in the least bit.

[razark]

Here's my question - why - just because the president is black - do you immediately jump to the accusation of racism?
From the article in the first post:
"A La Mesa man who posted racial epithets and a call to "shoot" Barack Obama on an Internet chat site..."

To be 100% honest, I know a guy that said Obama is better off assassinated (I don't agree). He (the guy) isn't racist in the least bit.
"...a call to 'shoot the [racist slur]'"

I think that may be why racism was brought up.

[Anthony W.]

From the article in the first post:
"A La Mesa man who posted racial epithets and a call to "shoot" Barack Obama on an Internet chat site..."


"...a call to 'shoot the [racist slur]'"

I think that may be why racism was brought up.

Ohhh, okay, I need to do more than skim these articles.

But I do want to point out that not all the calls are for racial reasons.

[Tribesman]

Here's my question - why - just because the president is black - do you immediately jump to the accusation of racism?
In my posts did I take the words "******" or "sambo" from thin air or are they in the document linked in the OP? How about "shooting up cars of ******s" where does that come from?

Ohhh, okay, I need to do more than skim these articles.

It might help.

[Anthony W.]

It might help.

Well, reading 3 articles and talking to a history professor all at once stretches my ability to multitask