SSsssooo what would you cut.???????

[yubba]

It seems that our poor president, is have-ing a deer caught in the headlights moment, over what too cut in the national budget, you guys seem pretty smart maybe you can help our Country Clubber in Cheif out.
I'd cut the treadmills for shirmp. And maybe the Department of Energy with all the millions put in, not one watt put out. Though I kind of feel bad for putting shirmp out of work maybe, they can get a batter job at Red Lobster.

[antikristuseke]

I would probably start by cutting your internet access

[TLAM Strike]

Cut all foreign aid to any country with a name ending in -stan. :yeah:

[Growler]

It seems that our poor president, is have-ing a deer caught in the headlights moment, over what too cut in the national budget, you guys seem pretty smart maybe you can help our Country Clubber in Cheif out.
I'd cut the treadmills for shirmp. And maybe the Department of Energy with all the millions put in, not one watt put out. Though I kind of feel bad for putting shirmp out of work maybe, they can get a batter job at Red Lobster.

Hey, if we hooked up generators to the shrimp treadmills, we'd make electricity - there goes your Energy Department!




I'll just go on ahead back to the bar now, if anyone needs me.

[Onkel Neal]

No more $300 hammers.

[Oberon]

No more $300 hammers.

What about $1000 toilet seats?


I would probably start by cutting your internet access

:har::har::har:

[Platapus]

1. Close many/most of the 800 US military bases overseas and move the military back to the United States.

Advantage 1: US military members would be spending money in the United States and not in some foreign country. Good for the US economy and more tax revenue.

2. Rotate the stateside military to patrol duty on the northern and southern border of the United States. They would not be stationed near Entry Portals but would be deployed to the non-EP sections of our borders. The military would NOT be there to enforce immigration laws (Posse Comitatus). The military would be there to protect our borders from attack. No one can object to a country using its military to guard borders from potential attack

3. Station Border Patrol people behind the military deployment.

If someone crosses a border without going through an EP, the military will capture them as a potential enemy combatant. Once the military determines that they are not (due to lack of weapons), the military turns the person over to the Border Patrol so that they, as per their warrant, determine whether this person is in the country illegally and take appropriate legal actions. Military and LE are kept separate.

Advantage 2: Border Patrol does not have enough people nor the technology to actually patrol a border. They are set up to enforce the laws. Let the military do what they do best (patrol areas) and let the Border Patrol people do what they do best (enforce laws).

3. Deploy the navy to patrol our northern and southern borders where there is more wet stuff. The navy is good at patrolling where there is wet stuff, the Border Patrol is not. We are concerned with Semi-submersibles entering our wet stuff, put the navy there. They would operate the same as the land border military mission - detect, engage, capture, evaluate, transfer to border patrol for legal action.

I think it is time that we realize that sometimes the best defense is a good defense. Let's use the military to actually defend our nation's borders. :yep:

I think the military would much rather be deployed to the northern or southern border for 3 months than AF for more than 12 months.

That's what I would cut.

[Castout]

Cut . . . . . let me see. . . .cut the United States into two.. Orchestrate a rebellion that would succeed. Make the new state New United States of America. It would absolve all debts to the previous United States of America. You can't collect debts from a non existent state. Or leave Texas as the only remaining state of the old USA. Let them pay the debt.


And start anew with NUSA.


Or better yet invade and annex Ireland let them be part of USA then all states but it secede. Let the State of Ireland pay the debt.
:haha:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I would probably start by cutting your internet access
:agree:

[STEED]

Ask David Cameron for $900,000 Trillion...Hey that a***hole is giving money way. :o















Please don't I was just being cheesed off. :O:

[mookiemookie]

cut foreign aid in half
eliminate farm subsidies
reduce the military to pre-Iraq size, bring all combat forces home from Iraq & Afghanistan
give the Army 5 years to close half of all foreign bases
cap Medicare growth
reduce Social Security benefits for high income earners
re-institute the Estate tax, but exempt the first 3 million of any estate

[Task Force]

I would cut some 0s off the national debt, and put it on a giant white board in front of the white house.

and when someone asks "wheres my money!" Id point at the white board and say "we owe you nothing, look at how small our 30$ national debt is." and we only owe 30$ to the local store!

[mookiemookie]

I would cut some 0s off the national debt, and put it on a giant white board in front of the white house.

and when someone asks "wheres my money!" Id point at the white board and say "we owe you nothing, look at how small our 30$ national debt is." and we only owe 30$ to the local store!

brb, writing a letter to my credit card company :rotfl2:

[Madox58]

Just tell every Country that will not allow U.S. goods in at reasonable Duties We are doing the same!
What you do? We do!
Screw them when thier economies fall flat on thier faces!
Get rid of the breaks for companies that ship jobs out of the U.S.
You produce outside the U.S.?
You pay a higher import fee and lose any tax breaks.

Put the brakes on Speculators!!
The Wall Street Crew drives up prices.
Make them PAY through the Nose for this crap!

[TheSatyr]

Cut ALL Foreign Aid.

Eliminate all US Bases outside of the US Territories,and bring the bulk of our forces back to the States.

Cut the military to where we have enough forces for 1,possibly 2 crises'. Having more than that leads to the over use of the military.

Cut welfare and other entitlements to all but veterans and the disabled.

Round up and deport ALL illegal immigrants.

Place a 5 year moritorium on legal immigration.

[Sailor Steve]

I cut my hair.





Hey, it's a start!

[Onkel Neal]

cut foreign aid in half
eliminate farm subsidies
reduce the military to pre-Iraq size, bring all combat forces home from Iraq & Afghanistan
give the Army 5 years to close half of all foreign bases
cap Medicare growth
reduce Social Security benefits for high income earners
re-institute the Estate tax, but exempt the first 3 million of any estate


I agree with all but the last. I can't stand estate taxes, it's just not right that the govt can come in & grab property just because someone dies and leaves it to an heir. Much of it was already taxed. :nope:

But hey, we agree on the first few, that's a start!

[mookiemookie]

The estate tax was created way back when to prevent the rise of a landed gentry. The founding fathers had just left a country where the system was set up "only to raise the wealth and importance of particular families and individuals, giving them an unequal and undue influence in a republic" according to North Carolina's 1784 law that abolished entailed estates. A similar law in Virginia in 1776 said that "the perpetuation of property in certain families, by means of gifts made to them in fee taille, is contrary to good policy." The idea of an estate tax was advocated by folks like Thomas Paine, Adam Smith (the father of capitalism, lest you call me a damn dirty socialist) and Thomas Jefferson. It revolves around the idea that your place in society should be earned by your own works and contributions to it, rather than by your last name.

I think it makes sense.

[Platapus]

I never understood the concept of an inheritance of money. I want my father to die in the process of spending his last dollar on himself. He earned it, I didn't. :yeah:

Inheriting houses, businesses, cars, etc, I can understand, but expecting to get money from someone and not pay taxes on it is unreasonable. An inheritance is just income without doing any work to earn it.

Now I also think the inheritances should be taxed at the same rate as the inheritor's income tax. Having a separate and higher rate just for inheritances is wrong in my opinion.

If my father leaves me any "free money" like an inheritance, I will be more than happy to pay an inheritance tax. I am not losing anything, just getting a little less money I did not earn.

[Anthony W.]

Cut everything that has been done in the past 3 and a half years.

Our debt will be under 1 trillion.

[TorpX]

First eliminate the Depts. of Education, and Energy. They are worse that useless. Greatly reduce the EPA. Thin out the Federal bureaucrats. No grants for loony tunes, democrat front groups.

Freeze entitlements, cut entitlements for all illegal aliens entirely. States would not get anything for them. If they want to be sanctuary for illegals, they would have to do it on their own dime. Eliminate farm subsidies and corporate welfare (such as ethanol and "green energy" projects).

Bring back the troops in Europe and some of the other outposts and close the bases.




Inheriting houses, businesses, cars, etc, I can understand, but expecting to get money from someone and not pay taxes on it is unreasonable. An inheritance is just income without doing any work to earn it.

Property is property. It was all earned, or purchased with earnings. Why should one be protected and the other not? It is, in fact, the accumulated earnings of a lifetime of labor.

If the Gov't was really concerned about the morality of income going to people who do not "earn" it, there would be no welfare, corporate subsidies, foreign aid, gambling or lotteries.

I never understood the concept of an inheritance of money. I want my father to die in the process of spending his last dollar on himself. He earned it, I didn't. :yeah:


I agree, since he earned it he should be able to do what he wants with it. He can donate it to charity, he can will it to you, he can spend it on himself, or he can give it to the Gov't (but who would want to do that). He earned it, the Government didn't earn it. He already paid taxes on it, so why should it be taxed again?


Furthermore, the estate tax is hostile to family businesses. People used to operate family establishments that would be passed from generation to generation. Now we have large corporations which lobby for favors and get special breaks. (After all their too big to fail, you know!) People die and get robbed by the Government, but corporations don't die and never pay the tax. It is inherently unfair.

[nikimcbee]

cut foreign aid in half
eliminate farm subsidies
reduce the military to pre-Iraq size, bring all combat forces home from Iraq & Afghanistan
give the Army 5 years to close half of all foreign bases
cap Medicare growth
reduce Social Security benefits for high income earners
re-institute the Estate tax, but exempt the first 3 million of any estate

Good choices. But on a side note, you are obviosly not from a farm state, the mid-West demmicrates aren't going to roll over for that one.:dead: (Don't cut my benefits bro !)

I'll add to your list:

Anything to do with the arts. (This is just fluff, go pay for your own hobby) (auf weidersehen PBS)
maybe mothball a good portion of the armo(u)red forces. I'd close all the foreign bases except for Korea.
I'd come up with some sort of hollywood tax:hmmm:
I'd cut all congressional perks. (no more million dollar pensions) Limit trips to congress member and one staffer.
I'd send Nancy pelosi the bill for her travels.:yeah:

[Takeda Shingen]

Cutting funding for the arts is fine, but I take great exception to your labeling it as fluff, McBee. I would attempt to explain to you the great relevance that the arts are to society and history, but given your stated views on the matter it would be a futile endeavor.

Art is my business and it is my passion in life. It is not fluff. Somebody's stock just lost a lot of it's value in my book.

[Betonov]

Cutting funding for the arts is fine, but I take great exception to your labeling it as fluff, McBee. I would attempt to explain to you the great relevance that the arts are to society and history, but given your stated views on the matter it would be a futile endeavor.

Art is my business and it is my passion in life. It is not fluff. Somebody's stock just lost a lot of it's value in my book.

Cut funding of arts but have tax breaks for patrionage ??

[Sailor Steve]

I never understood the concept of an inheritance of money. I want my father to die in the process of spending his last dollar on himself. He earned it, I didn't. :yeah:

Inheriting houses, businesses, cars, etc, I can understand, but expecting to get money from someone and not pay taxes on it is unreasonable. An inheritance is just income without doing any work to earn it.
But the family has more right to it than any government. In this case Government is a group of people who claim that everything you do belongs to them.

[Sailor Steve]

Cut everything that has been done in the past 3 and a half years.

Our debt will be under 1 trillion.
While Barak Obama has seen the largest increase as a percentage of the GDP, and the National Debt is higher now than it has ever been, you might want to rethink your last statement. The National Debt has been over a trillion dollars since the 1980s. In January 2008 the Debt was over 9 trillion dollars.

[nikimcbee]

Cutting funding for the arts is fine, but I take great exception to your labeling it as fluff, McBee. I would attempt to explain to you the great relevance that the arts are to society and history, but given your stated views on the matter it would be a futile endeavor.

Art is my business and it is my passion in life. It is not fluff. Somebody's stock just lost a lot of it's value in my book.

When we have no money, it's fluff!:stare: I have minimum issue with it when the money is a-flowin. If I must choose between (example) po-lice or art on the metro, Which one is more important? I do value it, but not on someone else's nickel, especially when there's no money to begin with.

[Takeda Shingen]

When we have no money, it's fluff!:stare: I have minimum issue with it when the money is a-flowin. If I must choose between (example) po-lice or art on the metro, Which one is more important? I do value it, but not on someone else's nickel, especially when there's no money to begin with.

Reading comprehension, sir. I said that it is fine to cut the funding to the arts. I also said that I resent your characterization of art as fluff.

[Anthony W.]

TorpX and Nikimcbee...

What those 2 said. Every bit of it.

But don't totally kill farm spending - actually go ahead. All of my neighbors are struggling farmers - they aren't getting anything. In fact, there was a recent study that showed people in my state are getting money under farm subsidies that in fact don't own farms.

And drill baby drill. Get the gas prices down - it'll stimulate both new high performance (expensive) and used car sales. Bring back cars people can be proud to drive.

[nikimcbee]

I went home for lunch and caught a little bit of John Stossel's show "The money hole." (?)
He went around asking people (like Jay(Leno)-walking) whether or not certain grants were real gubmint grants or fake. (They were all real:stare::doh:) Such as a program to pay hookers to drink responsibly.

So I'll add to my list: gubmint grants (see shimp on a treadmill, cowboy poetry)

[nikimcbee]

ooh, I forgot about this one. I'd cut every program in this book:
http://www.asklesko.com/

[TLAM Strike]

ooh, I forgot about this one. I'd cut every program in this book:
http://www.asklesko.com/ A book that no doubt has things in it like the Pell Grant that is paying for my college education. :stare:

[gimpy117]

-National "defense".we need out of the war. we'v been spending oodles of money wheeling around Iraq and Afghanistan.

-Subsides to Oil companies. They don't even try to keep their costs down...so why should we be giving them money? especially when they are making large profits.

-Farm subsides to Large farms. I know a lot of struggling cherry farmers here...but not a lot of struggling corporate farms.

-cuts to the bush tax cuts. Sure, it's nice not to tax the rich, but they've had it pretty darn good these past 10 years, so good that, really, and bummer for them: but they are really the only people who can afford right now to pay higher taxes to help pay for the 10 years of excess we gave them.



A book that no doubt has things in it like the Pell Grant that is paying for my college education. :stare:

screw tha' gobberdman pell grant' I'm mad as hell!

[nikimcbee]

A book that no doubt has things in it like the Pell Grant that is paying for my college education. :stare:

How much is your tuition?

[TLAM Strike]

How much is your tuition?

$1,821.25 + books and supplies. It would have been $6,000 more had I been living in the dorms.

EDIT: That is per semester BTW.

[gimpy117]

$1,821.25 + books and supplies. It would have been $6,000 more had I been living in the dorms.

EDIT: That is per semester BTW.

that's cheap. it's close to 21,000 at western a year

[the_tyrant]

that's the problem with cutting, your always pissing someone off. and that someone will probably vote for the opposition next time

just look at it, the US government is doing too much for free
why are we helping the Libyan rebels? Tell them to hand over concessions or something

also, raise the taxes. American taxes are much lower than Canadian ones

[TLAM Strike]

that's cheap. it's close to 21,000 at western a year
It is but its also just a junior college.

[nikimcbee]

$1,821.25 + books and supplies. It would have been $6,000 more had I been living in the dorms.

EDIT: That is per semester BTW.

I don't know how I survived those days? I did the short term loan(s), but I paid for school (mostly) outta my hide.:dead:
I ate a lot of waffles\raman back then. I had one loan (stafford?) and I got all of that paid off. My books weren't that bad because they were all (mostly) made in Russia, and those textbooks were cheaper.

Well, good luck anyhow.