Let the american decide

[mapuc]

Here in Denmark, there's been lots of news from USA and the economical situation. There's "fight" between The president and some chairman from the republican.

Here's what they should do

Let this important issue, be handed over to the american people. so they can, by voting, give the government a.s.o, what they want.

A -Supporting Obama's way
b = the Republican's way
C= None of them

My political english is awfull, but I do hope you understand what I mean.

Markus

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

One American who I know described USA as "corporatist plutocracy", voting being routine ritual to get people feel better.

For lobbying and "interest groups" its much easier to get politicians to vote in "right way" than people so I don't see how there could be vote in that important matter. :hmmm:

Above is based into my limited knowledge as foreigner, point being that its hard to believe that politicians and their friends would allow people to decide.

[Betonov]

I believe that is called a referendum.

Abused to death in my country and unheard of in the US

There is no provision for the holding of referendums at the federal level in the United States; indeed, there is no national electorate of any kind. The United States constitution does not provide for referendums at the federal level. A constitutional amendment would be required to allow it. However, the constitutions of 24 states (principally in the West) and many local and city governments provide for referendums and citizen's initiatives.

[mapuc]

I believe that is called a referendum.

Abused to death in my country and unheard of in the US

Thank you for your reply

I remember in the early 80'ies when Denmark was on it's way to hell and the new government couldn't get enough support in "Folketinget" so the primeminister, sent it out to the danish people

Do they want a hard time(the potato cure)
or do they want it as it was before

The danish people, choosed the hard way and it payed of.

Markus

[Betonov]

I doubt the Americans will have a referendum any time soon (federal wide).

I woulnd't worry about them. When the going gets tough the Americans get going. They just had it too easy these past decades.

[Onkel Neal]

I believe that is called a referendum.

Abused to death in my country and unheard of in the US


It's popular in California and a big reason why that state is so screwed up.

I doubt the Americans will have a referendum any time soon (federal wide).

I woulnd't worry about them. When the going gets tough the Americans get going. They just had it too easy these past decades.

Pssst! We're not those Americans anymore.

[Growler]

Pssst! We're not those Americans anymore.

I dunno, Neal. I know some - maybe most - are those Americans, but I imagine there's a few of us left with the gumption to stand up for ourselves, our country, and each other. I strongly suspect you would. I know I would.

I may disagree with some folks on some issues, but we Americans here - we're all Americans. I may not wear the uniform any more, but my reasons for wearing it are still valid to me today as they were 20 years ago.

We have had it easy for awhile - top of the international dogpile, putting dudes on the moon, breaking records for flight left and right, cool, quiet, sneaky subs with daring crews. Now, as in the 30's, when it becomes necessary for us to stand up for something... there's a period of institutional inertia we seem to need to go through before we get started. Sorta like me before my first half-pot of coffee. I hope that we as a nation can maybe have that awakening without having it be at the hands of really bad stuff. I thought maybe that out of the 9-11 ashes, we'd emerge a better, stronger, united people. For awhile, we were - until the media restarted its divisive efforts to foment the kind of political confrontation that "sells papers." But at our core, I think that maybe we're not all those Americans.

bah. I drank too much after not enough food, and it's made me idealistic. I'm to bed.

[Anthony W.]

I'm gonna go with the Republicans based off common sense.

But my real goal... Hehehe... It to declare Subsim a country!

[Betonov]

But my real goal... Hehehe... It to declare Subsim a country!

I have experience with country building :D so when do we start

Neal can change The forum rules to Constitution
Vendor and Feuer Frei are our media, we got that covered
The flag and the crest should be the wolf thats under the post icons (but that is still debatable)
I suggest the roman republic system, with a senate and two councils that are elected every year and one cannot be a counsil wthout the best of subsim badge
Jimbuna and Frau Kaleun should be the king and queen
And we move to a tropical island and use an enormus submarine fleet as our main defence

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Jimbuna and Frau Kaleun should be the king and queen
For some strange reason I like this proposal. :D

Maybe its time to talk with psychologist...

[Growler]

For some strange reason I like this proposal. :D

Maybe its time to talk with psychologist...

LOL... Whaddya mean, "Maybe?"

[mookiemookie]

A Gallup poll shows that 1 in 4 Americans believe we won our independence from a country other than Great Britain. Many people said France. Others said China. 18% of those polled believed the sun revolved around the Earth. 3% had no opinion.

According to another Gallup poll, Americans believed Glenn Beck was the 4th most admirable man in the world. The same poll ranked Sarah Palin as the the 2nd most admirable woman in the world. Elin Nordegren Woods got just as many votes as Maya Angelou.

The average American can tell you more about American Idol or the Casey Anthony trial than they can tell you about the debt issue. I don't think I want them making decisions about it.

[Osmium Steele]

A Gallup poll shows...


NEVER trust polls, no matter the organization.

Skew the question, skew the sample, skew the results and you can show Leonardo DeCaprio to be the most influential american in history.

The average American can tell you more about American Idol or the Casey Anthony trial than they can tell you about the debt issue. I don't think I want them making decisions about it.

+1 :up:

[mookiemookie]

NEVER trust polls, no matter the organization.

Skew the question, skew the sample, skew the results and you can show Leonardo DeCaprio to be the most influential american in history.


While I will agree with you up to a point, there's no way of phrasing the question, skewing the question, etc. that would make me answer that the sun revolves around the Earth.

[Osmium Steele]

While I will agree with you up to a point, there's no way of phrasing the question, skewing the question, etc. that would make me answer that the sun revolves around the Earth.

Ah, but polls are not about about a single person. We are talking about sampling a slice of a population. I know I could find an appropriate sample to show that 60% of americans DO believe that the sun orbits the earth.

For example, I'd only need to find 3 people who already believe it, ask 2 more people who don't, and voila.

Manipulate the sample size/content, and you can "prove" almost anything.

[Platapus]

I know I could find an appropriate sample to show that 60% of americans DO believe that the sun orbits the earth.

For example, I'd only need to find 3 people who already believe it, ask 2 more people who don't, and voila.

Manipulate the sample size/content, and you can "prove" almost anything.

Then that would not be a representative sample and your poll would be biased.

The Gallup organization follows established methodology for selecting poll populations.

Instead of a blanket "you can't trust polls", it would be more appropriate to only trust polls where the methodology is published and to use the results in an appropriate manner.

There is nothing wrong with polling as long as people understand how it was designed, how the data was collected and coded, and how to interpret the results.

[Growler]

I will never trust polls. Ever. For anything. For one simple reason: I give extreme-of-range data replies to every poll I take.

Yes, that's right. I am self-identifying as that "Margin of Error" they all include.

And I figure that if it's possible that ONE person is purposely answering polls with dubious replies, then it's theoretically possible that other people are doing the same, thereby invalidating the whole thing.

I like to mess with people's heads.

[mapuc]

I suppose this debt-issue, is to important to let the average american vote wich proposal, the governmet should use

1 The Obama's
2 The Republican's
3 None of them

No offend, but in my ear, it sounds like, that the politicians in Whasington have low thougts about it's habitants.

I know it's not a common thing to us this type of referendum.

But it's the future of USA and it involves every people living there.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Jimbuna and Frau Kaleun should be the king and queen


Well I ain't being 'Queen' to anyone :o

[Anthony W.]

The same poll ranked Sarah Palin as the the 2nd most admirable woman in the world

So am I a bad person for agreeing with that?

[Growler]

So am I a bad person for agreeing with that?

Nope. Just means you think differently from those that named whomever for the most admirable woman in the world.

Frankly, the entire political spectrum has become way too much celebrity and not much in the way of celerity, but please hold the celery.

[Anthony W.]

Frankly, the entire political spectrum has become way too much celebrity and not much in the way of celerity, but please hold the celery.

I completely agree.

[Freiwillige]

Think of it like this. If your household borrowed from the bank 40 cents on every dollar just to pay the bills doesn't it make more sense to cut some of the bills? Cancel the cable TV! Cut back on purchases. You cannot live lavishly off the bank forever.

The government only collects X amount of dollars in taxes annually so all programs should fit within that X amount of dollars!

[Rilder]

A lot of this could be fixed by giving each side a flintlock pistol and having an old fashioned duel, to decide or better yet just shooting every politician and starting from scratch.

[Platapus]

better yet just shooting every politician and starting from scratch.

There is probably a down side to that. I just can't think of one off hand, but I am positive there must be. :D

[Anthony W.]

Think of it like this. If your household borrowed from the bank 40 cents on every dollar just to pay the bills doesn't it make more sense to cut some of the bills? Cancel the cable TV! Cut back on purchases. You cannot live lavishly off the bank forever.

The government only collects X amount of dollars in taxes annually so all programs should fit within that X amount of dollars!

Agreed.

They can't raise taxes because that'd cause A LOT of small businesses to shut down - and in effect they'd LOSE money.

[Anthony W.]

A lot of this could be fixed by giving each side a flintlock pistol and having an old fashioned duel, to decide or better yet just shooting every politician and starting from scratch.

Or, we the Subsimmers could draft a constitution, and buy Washington DC.