Looking To Buy My First Rifle...

[Anthony W.]

Well next year as a birthday present I'm going to buy myself a rifle. I've always loved the look of rifles and I no longer care what the woman says. I've told her that either I'm buying a rifle that I'll keep by the TV, or a pistol that I'll keep under my pillow. She said the rifle is fine.

I love bolt actions - military issue stuff like Lee Enfields, Mausers, ect.

I'm looking to spend about $700, so I'm here to ask which gun would get me the most bang for my buck? I'm talking condition, ect. I don't much care how expensive or hard to find the ammo is - I only plan on using it for home defense, and occasionally going with my friends to the range.

I really haven't fired a gun in about 10 years... I mean, I've used some target pistols, but it was a long time ago since I took the Boy Scout rifle class

[Sailor Steve]

You really don't want to use a rifle for home defense, especially a bolt-action. They're unwieldly, slow and if you have even a .30 cal it can go through the burglar, through the wall, through the other wall and through the neighbor. Rifles are good for long-range shooting. Up close they make a handy club, but a baseball bat is better.

Proud owner of an ought-three springfield, five-shot, bolt action, built by Remington in September '42. Got it at a gun show for sixty bucks, about twenty years ago.

[Feuer Frei!]

I've told her that either I'm buying a rifle that I'll keep by the TV, or a pistol that I'll keep under my pillow
Bad neighborhood?

[GoldenRivet]

I would advise against keeping a firearm under your pillow.

Though I'm pretty sure you were not being literal.

:)

[Anthony W.]

Bad neighborhood?

Recent string of break ins and vandalism and arson in my rather "good" area

[Anthony W.]

You really don't want to use a rifle for home defense, especially a bolt-action. They're unwieldly, slow and if you have even a .30 cal it can go through the burglar, through the wall, through the other wall and through the neighbor. Rifles are good for long-range shooting. Up close they make a handy club, but a baseball bat is better.

Yeah, but, like I said, I also just love the look and feel of military issue rifles

[FIREWALL]

Pistol grip 12gauge shot gun with short legal barrel is the ticket if it's legal in your state. :yep:

I keep it barrel pointed down within reach of my side of bed. :yep:

[Feuer Frei!]

@ Anthony,
no matter what rifle you go for in the end, just remember: You have a rifle? Learn to shoot with it!
Train with it day in, day out, get to know it, inside and out.
But before that, take some gun safety courses.
Learn how to shoot, how to handle a gun and proper posture etc.
Learn to shoot with open sights.

[Castout]

Gun sounds like a hobby to you. If that is your aim instead of self/home defense practicality then go ahead get a rifle.

I'm a fan of SVD Dragunov myself but I simply can't afford any gun or rifle. I prefer marksman sniping rifle or sniper rifle than assault rifle. More fun in the range as the first requires more skill somewhat.

Google could be useful. Don't forget easy and cheap maintenance(including ammo) or durability/wear resistance like barrel wear before getting them as well as comfort level and feel while shooting. Rifle is a pretty costly hobby and requires committed dedication to maintain them(strip and clean and oil).

For rifle the optics alone could set you back more than 400 bucks. A pistol on the other hand is a much cheaper hobby.

If I were you I'd get both a pistol(handgun) and a rifle. A pistol could be turned into a hobby too(fast reaction shooting) and it's more practical.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Or if your neighbourhood is really going to the dogs... Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you webcam/internet linked shotguns.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/superphoto/online%20shotguns.jpg

Source http://chronicle.augusta.com/content/blog-post/rob-pavey/2011-01-14/only-georgia-internet-controlled-shotguns-linked-web-cams :o

[nikimcbee]

Pistol grip 12gauge shot gun with short legal barrel is the ticket if it's legal in your state. :yep:

I keep it barrel pointed down within reach of my side of bed. :yep:

This. ...or get a rotweiler.

[Herr-Berbunch]

This. ...or get a rotweiler.

Or move to a more friendly country...

[Hottentot]

or get a rotweiler.

No. Just no.

[nikimcbee]

Or move to a more friendly country...

...such as?

[antikristuseke]

For 700 us dollars you could pick up seven Mosins, one for each room, though as others have said, a rifle for home defense is a bad idea.

[Herr-Berbunch]

...such as?

Any that one doesn't feel the need to be armed in your own home :nope:

[Oberon]

Hmmm, I'm not sure what the licensing laws are in the States but what about a Garand? She's not bolt action, although the calibre of the bullet would probably suffer from the problem Steve has outlined in that it would go through the intruder and then off through seven states before it stopped.

In a pistol, perhaps the M9 would be a good choice, although it is rather modern but it has a little less stopping power than my other choice which is a M1911 (the pistol of Utah!).
Alternatively if you want to go historical, there's the Luger P08, it's a good pistol and if you put in the 19mm Parabellum round then you won't take down half the house.

I'm no real firearms expert...the biggest gun I've fired is an air rifle, but I do agree that training is key, if you get yourself a firearm be sure to join a local shooting club or visit your range often because the one major problem of having a weapon for self-defence is that in the heat of the moment that weapon can be taken away from you and used against you, so if you're going to do it right you have to do it right first time.

[Osmium Steele]

In a pistol, perhaps the M9 would be a good choice, although it is rather modern but it has a little less stopping power than my other choice which is a M1911 (the pistol of Utah!).

A little less stopping power? Is the sun a tad warm? Is water damp? etc. etc. :rotfl2:

if you get yourself a firearm be sure to join a local shooting club or visit your range often because the one major problem of having a weapon for self-defence is that in the heat of the moment that weapon can be taken away from you and used against you, so if you're going to do it right you have to do it right first time.

+1

[Ducimus]

You really don't want to use a rifle for home defense, especially a bolt-action. They're unwieldly, slow and if you have even a .30 cal it can go through the burglar, through the wall, through the other wall and through the neighbor.

This. On top of that, your more liable to miss in close quarters with a long gun like a bolt action rifle, AND it isn't as fast to reload as you would like.


Pistol grip 12gauge shot gun with short legal barrel is the ticket if it's legal in your state. :yep:

I keep it barrel pointed down within reach of my side of bed. :yep:

Pistol grip? Only if your shooting dove loads maybe. Personally, id ditch the pistol grip. Shooting buckshot with a pistol grip? Noooo thank you. A short length of pull stock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfH_v9rv3Js) is a better option.

[Krauter]

Any that one doesn't feel the need to be armed in your own home :nope:


Come to Canada :D Where it's too cold to rob your neighbour, and even if you did, the snowstorms would ensure you don't get away :haha:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0id9fUYb95A

[Hottentot]

Come to Canada :D Where it's too cold to rob your neighbour, and even if you did, the snowstorms would ensure you don't get away :haha:

That place where people from here travel for sunbathing? I've heard it's nice in around January: not too hot, but pleasantly warm anyway.

[Schroeder]

Alternatively if you want to go historical, there's the Luger P08, it's a good pistol and if you put in the 19mm Parabellum round then you won't take down half the house.


9 mm still has a lot of penetration power. They can go through thin walls and kill bystanders. We had that here during a police raid a couple of years ago IIRC.

[RickC Sniper]

Sounds like you need two guns.

A military style bolt action would be fun at the range, but a sad choice for home defense.

Get a short barrel pump shotgun or a handgun for home defense. And don't keep it by the TV or under the pillow!!!


If the cost of rare ammo was no issue, then the cost of two guns shouldn't be either.

[Penguin]

Rifles are good for long-range shooting. Up close they make a handy club, but a baseball bat is better.


Well a baseball bat might look impressive to the attacker, but it is not the best choice in close-combat situations as they would happen in your home. I prefer to have an expandable baton here - my baseball bat is just decoration - until I start playing again - or participate in commercials ;)


9 mm still has a lot of penetration power. They can go through thin walls and kill bystanders. We had that here during a police raid a couple of years ago IIRC.

correct, another thing the German police had with the full metal jacket 9mm Parabellum is that the bullet lacks manstopping power, as it doesn't deform in soft targets and goes through the body. This often resulted into firing several shots, where the target is stopped but likely bleeds to death. This has changed in the last years, as now more states allow hollow-point bullets for the police.
So if this ammo is legal where you live, this would be the choice for home defense.

[Thomen]

Well a baseball bat might look impressive to the attacker, but it is not the best choice in close-combat situations as they would happen in your home. I prefer to have an expandable baton here - my baseball bat is just decoration - until I start playing again - or participate in commercials ;)

Among other things, this is my choice of home defense:

http://www.bladeseller.com/United/LOTR/images/uc1397%20Gimli.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9HgCrmhTyAE/SwwSaW33d5I/AAAAAAAAAZI/1j3xsAhG3ZE/s320/Gimli_WalkingAxe_2.jpg

;)

Of course, these are a tad heavy and uh.. somewhat difficult to handle in tight areas, but boy.. they certainly do look awesome! :D

[Sailor Steve]

Well a baseball bat might look impressive to the attacker, but it is not the best choice in close-combat situations as they would happen in your home. I prefer to have an expandable baton here - my baseball bat is just decoration - until I start playing again - or participate in commercials ;)
Actually I've discovered (thought it up and then tried it, actually) that if you're in the kitchen a stack of dinner plates are a great weapon. Grab a plate, flip it over, throw it like a frisbee and it will without fail break bones. If you miss you are already in the act of throwing the next one, so who cares?

For a pistol I like the M1911 or its derivatives. The bullet is big, soft and slow. It plays havoc with flesh but doesn't go through a wall as easily as a smaller, faster round.

[Penguin]

Among other things, this is my choice of home defense:


:haha:

We also have a model axe here, about 15cm tall but with a solid metal blade - this is what my girlfriend uses to convince me of her opinions :DL

[Thomen]

:haha:

We also have a model axe here, about 15cm tall but with a solid metal blade - this is what my girlfriend uses to convince me of her opinions :DL

:haha:

I got the full sized replicas. Fortunately, these are to heavy for my wife to use in a fashion where they would be dangerous to anyone but herself. ;)

[Marcantilan]

For a pistol I like the M1911 or its derivatives. The bullet is big, soft and slow. It plays havoc with flesh but doesn't go through a wall as easily as a smaller, faster round.

Yep, but you have a big recoil (and less ammo to spend) I was once in the firing range with a Browning HP 9mm and Colt 1911 .45acp, and plenty of ammo. I discovered that, in some seconds (do not remember how many), I could fire three aimed shots with the 9mm; in the same time span, I could only fire once with the .45.

Of course, the hole produced by the Colt was impressive. Remember the 911 was made to stop filipine guerrillas with just ONE shot.

I also disagree with a rifle for home defense. I shot the Mauser 98 at the range and I could say that it is more dangerous for your shoulder than for anyone in front of the gun.

Regards!

[Sailor Steve]

Yep, but you have a big recoil
My friend Rocky has a variant from some manufacturer that is ported. Almost no recoil at all. The first time I shot it I thought it was his .22 target pistol, that looks and feels like a .45.

[frau kaleun]

:haha:

I got the full sized replicas. Fortunately, these are to heavy to heavy for my wife to use in a fashion where they would be dangerous to anyone but herself. ;)

I bought a really nice meditating Buddha statuette a few years ago. I'm guessing it's made of some kind of resin but it is heavy and solid as a rock. The base on which he sits is about 8" around and maybe 5" high, but his body is just the right diameter to get your hand around should you want to pick it up and swing the base at someone. It's also just the right weight - not too light to be ineffective and lack momentum, but not so heavy that you can't lift it and swing it easily. I have it sitting in my bedroom.

So that would probably be the first thing I'd pick up if I thought someone had gotten into my apartment at night... I figure it's not just a blunt instrument, it's a lesson in karma. :haha:

OTOH - in the kitchen? Heh, that's why the knives are on the counter in a block and not stuck away in a drawer somewhere.

In the front room I've got a solid oak bokken leaning up against my DVD shelf. Also a 6' staff although that would be a tad unwieldy indoors.

Of course I've also got two each of hands, elbows, knees and feet. Plus I bite. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

IOTOH - in the kitchen? Heh, that's why the knives are on the counter in a block and not stuck away in a drawer somewhere.
Knives are a last line of defense, just in case the ranged weapons don't work. I figure he's probably got a knife as well. Likely not a big butcher knife, but still...

[antikristuseke]

For a pistol I like the M1911 or its derivatives. The bullet is big, soft and slow. It plays havoc with flesh but doesn't go through a wall as easily as a smaller, faster round.

When it comes to FMJ rounds the .45 has a thicker jacket in most cases and therefore is a bit less soft, penetration wise the 9mm and the .45 are not that far apart. Personally when it comes to pistols I would just go for the one I are most comfortable shooting accurately, shot placement is more important than the diameter of the round when it comes to stopping a target.

[frau kaleun]

Knives are a last line of defense, just in case the ranged weapons don't work. I figure he's probably got a knife as well. Likely not a big butcher knife, but still...

Well I'm not throwing my plates at someone. I have matching service for 8 and that pattern was discontinued. :O:

[Oberon]

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1998_Lock__Stock_and_Two_Smoking_Barrels/998LTS_Dexter_Fletcher_001.jpg

"Knives for show, Plates for a pro."

[Rockstar]

http://www.paintballsentry.com/

Great for protecting your home against rodents and small children.

[Krauter]

I Plus I bite. :O:

Oh really :03: ?

:D

[frau kaleun]

Oh really :03: ?


Only if you ask politely. Or taste like bacon. :O:

[TLAM Strike]

Only if you ask politely. Or taste like bacon. :O:
...
...

...purchase made... (http://www.fargginay.com/bacon-classic.html)

:D

[frau kaleun]

...
...

...purchase made... (http://www.fargginay.com/bacon-classic.html)

:D


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/13/9e9be42b-f1a2-4a56-b4ee-b3dbdbe8797f.jpg

[antikristuseke]

this should clear it up

http://www.sogoodblog.com/2009/05/13/bacon-lube/

[Anthony W.]

Gah, what I would give to be able to afford a Garand and stay under budget. I hear they're insanely expensive.

As far as what I have already, I have a German shepherd, but she isn't much use unless the threat tries to break in.

The problem I've had is people going into my barn and messing up my tools and scaring my horses. My barn is about 100 yards away from my house.

I do think I'll be considering buying my friend's short pull shotgun for inside, tho.

[TLAM Strike]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/13/9e9be42b-f1a2-4a56-b4ee-b3dbdbe8797f.jpg
^ I nominate this for post of the year... :haha:

[Anthony W.]

^ I nominate this for post of the year... :haha:

I second that.

[Krauter]

Gah, what I would give to be able to afford a Garand and stay under budget. I hear they're insanely expensive.

As far as what I have already, I have a German shepherd, but she isn't much use unless the threat tries to break in.

The problem I've had is people going into my barn and messing up my tools and scaring my horses. My barn is about 100 yards away from my house.

I do think I'll be considering buying my friend's short pull shotgun for inside, tho.

Sorry I don't mean to sound stupid here or anything, but I thought you posted somewhere saying you were 17... how do you own a house, barn, horses, have a wife or gf that lives with you.. yet your still 17.. :doh: Sorry if I sound like an idiot I'm just confused..

[Herr-Berbunch]

I bought a really nice meditating Buddha statuette a few years ago. I'm guessing it's made of some kind of resin but it is heavy and solid as a rock. The base on which he sits is about 8" around and maybe 5" high, but his body is just the right diameter to get your hand around should you want to pick it up and swing the base at someone. It's also just the right weight - not too light to be ineffective and lack momentum, but not so heavy that you can't lift it and swing it easily. I have it sitting in my bedroom.

So that would probably be the first thing I'd pick up if I thought someone had gotten into my apartment at night... I figure it's not just a blunt instrument, it's a lesson in karma. :haha:

OTOH - in the kitchen? Heh, that's why the knives are on the counter in a block and not stuck away in a drawer somewhere.

In the front room I've got a solid oak bokken leaning up against my DVD shelf. Also a 6' staff although that would be a tad unwieldy indoors.

Of course I've also got two each of hands, elbows, knees and feet. Plus I bite. :O:

And all that's really necessary for a first date? :hmmm:


:03:

[Madox58]

I have a Browning High Power, Customized to my likeing for home defense.
I prep the ammo myself.
I start with a Hollow point and cut an X into it ( not all the way to the bottom of the Hollow Point.)
This insures the round does maximum damage.
I add a drop of Mercury then wax coat that.
The Mercury does not explode as HollyWood portrays.
But adds weight to the round and does additional damage plus Mercury is not a nice thing to have injected into your body!

Then there are the Swords and knives.
I'm a pretty mean Dude with a blade in my hand!

[Sailor Steve]

Just as long as we don't have to look at the chain-mail codpiece again. :O:

[Buddahaid]

1. The short barrel shotgun.

2. Pistol.

3. Tactical tomahawk.

[Anthony W.]

Sorry I don't mean to sound stupid here or anything, but I thought you posted somewhere saying you were 17... how do you own a house, barn, horses, have a wife or gf that lives with you.. yet your still 17.. :doh: Sorry if I sound like an idiot I'm just confused..

My parents actually go on business a lot - so for sometimes a month at a time I'm home alone and its just me and my 95 year old grandmother. My pacifist girlfriend comes over to spend the week sometimes, so she was the only opinion I cared about.

The remaining horses are mine - and I am listed as the owner on their vet bills.

The barn has actually been on the property for as long as I remember. When I was about 10 my father and I made it usable. The tools are mine also - I bought them to modify and work on my car.

[Sailor Steve]

I keep a bolo by the bed. No, not one of these, which is actually a bola

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/imagesCA7BITVF.jpg

Or one of these

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/untitled-1.jpg

One of these.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/imagesCAVZ2IKB.jpg

[Madox58]

Just as long as we don't have to look at the chain-mail codpiece again. :O:
You don't mean this image do you?
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/A-funky.jpg

That is my BESTEST Home Defense!!

[Sailor Steve]

I knew you couldn't resist. It's my way of shocking everyone without stooping to doing it myself.

[yubba]

I'd go with the SKS, it is a semi-auto loader with an internal 10 round mag, fires the 5.62x39mm, same round as the AK, the SKS can be easily modified, and is very accurate, have taken woodchucks at 300 yards with mine. Just found out, that I can get 25, 1 inch vietnam era fachets into a 12 gauge shot shell, }----> if you were wondering what a fachet is.:doh:

[Madox58]

I knew you couldn't resist. It's my way of shocking everyone without stooping to doing it myself.
I knew that you knew that I'd post it.
:haha:
But is is a good Home Defense System!!
Would you break into my Home if you saw THAT!
:rotfl2:

[Platapus]

IJust found out, that I can get 25, 1 inch vietnam era fachets into a 12 gauge shot shell, }----> if you were wondering what a fachet is.:doh:


Do you mean Flechette?

Check the laws in your area. Buying the flechettes is legal, loading them may not be.

[Freiwillige]

I'd go with the SKS, it is a semi-auto loader with an internal 10 round mag, fires the 5.62x39mm, same round as the AK, the SKS can be easily modified, and is very accurate, have taken woodchucks at 300 yards with mine. Just found out, that I can get 25, 1 inch vietnam era fachets into a 12 gauge shot shell, }----> if you were wondering what a fachet is.:doh:


That is 7.62x39 :yep:

[frau kaleun]

And all that's really necessary for a first date? :hmmm:


Of course not. That's just the applicant interview. :O:

[TorpX]

For self-defense:

Rifles- are bulky and clumsy in close quarters, present richochet hazzard (bullets go through target), difficult to retain control of in a struggle. My choices would be M1 Garand, M1 carbine, or maybe SKS/AK-47 clone. Unfortunately, all but the Soviet bloc models are apt to be expensive.


Shotguns- good stopping power, and minimal richochet hazzard. Share drawbacks of rifles otherwise. If you opt for one make it one with a shoulder stock, the pistol grip only ones are difficult to shoot.

Handguns- portable and compact, but less powerful. They require skill to use well. My choices would be M1911 type or Browning High-Power, but individual preferences dictate your choice here. Some like the autos, some like revolvers, but I wouldn't rely on anything less than .38 caliber. DO NOT USE A .22 FOR THIS. They are notoriously poor choices. One should have confidence in their choice.

It would be a good idea to get hold of an instructor, who could teach you the basics and let you fire a few different types before you but any. Then you have a better idea what you need. Also, I would stay away from any exotic/ obsolete arms, unless, you only want it for a collection. Ammunition is expensive, and likely to become more so in the future. If you are going to rely on any firearm, you should at least shoot it enough to develop a minimal level of skill with it. There a lot of fun, too. ;)


Just my two cents.

[Anthony W.]

For self-defense:

Rifles- are bulky and clumsy in close quarters, present richochet hazzard (bullets go through target), difficult to retain control of in a struggle. My choices would be M1 Garand, M1 carbine, or maybe SKS/AK-47 clone. Unfortunately, all but the Soviet bloc models are apt to be expensive.


Shotguns- good stopping power, and minimal richochet hazzard. Share drawbacks of rifles otherwise. If you opt for one make it one with a shoulder stock, the pistol grip only ones are difficult to shoot.

Handguns- portable and compact, but less powerful. They require skill to use well. My choices would be M1911 type or Browning High-Power, but individual preferences dictate your choice here. Some like the autos, some like revolvers, but I wouldn't rely on anything less than .38 caliber. DO NOT USE A .22 FOR THIS. They are notoriously poor choices. One should have confidence in their choice.

It would be a good idea to get hold of an instructor, who could teach you the basics and let you fire a few different types before you but any. Then you have a better idea what you need. Also, I would stay away from any exotic/ obsolete arms, unless, you only want it for a collection. Ammunition is expensive, and likely to become more so in the future. If you are going to rely on any firearm, you should at least shoot it enough to develop a minimal level of skill with it. There a lot of fun, too. ;)


Just my two cents.


Okay, I'm going to buy a military bolt action rifle (or Garand if I get a good deal) for collection, and a shotgun for keeping under my bed.

[TorpX]

Take your time, think about it a little, you don't have to buy it today, right?

[Anthony W.]

Take your time, think about it a little, you don't have to buy it today, right?


Yeah, I've got a year.

Would a recent history of clinical depression (post traumatic stress disorder) keep me from getting a conceal carry permit?

[antikristuseke]

It might and it probably should, just my two cents.

[TorpX]

Yeah, I've got a year.

Would a recent history of clinical depression (post traumatic stress disorder) keep me from getting a conceal carry permit?

You would have to check into your state's laws to know. In Illinois, we must get a FOID card to buy or possess any firearm. There are questions related to mental illness and other things. It has been a long time since I bought one, so I can't remember what they are (and the laws have changed). Also, no one in IL can carry. We are the only state now, according to the press, that doesn't have concealed carry. The FOID merely makes it legal to buy/ own a firearm and ammunition. You may also have local laws that are more restrictive. Until very recently, Chicago more or less, prohibited ownership of firearms, altogether.

[Anthony W.]

It might and it probably should, just my two cents.

I'm over it now, but I HAD it - not anymore - my twin bro died right in front of me in 2008 so I had to deal with that up until last year.

[antikristuseke]

I am not fit to judge anyones mental well being, let alone over the internets after a brief encounter. What I was getting at was that if a person is still suffering from post traumatic stress that then they should not be issued a concealed carry permit.

If you have gotten over your loss or not is really no place for me to judge.

[Castout]

Frau forgot this

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/041/9/4/tangled_____frying_pan_by_disgrace_angel369-d398z19.jpg


Keep one under the pillow just in case.

and with some ingenuity

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4935453075_56107a156e.jpg

And a hammer and a football helmet. :D

http://www.fanhut.com/Images/NFL-Replica/BengalsM.gif

http://images01.tzimg.com/cache/h3w4/500_1189209425_hammer.jpg

And . . .

An icepick

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fWDWFMNX0_M/RwI70WSDUmI/AAAAAAAAAQc/QyLVVej3a44/s320/Ice+Pick.jpg




Seriously now,
The car alarm could be handy. Turn it on when you found people breaking into your home.:O:
But...since she is in apartment well . . . .back to frying pan and its 'friends'.

[frau kaleun]

http://www.fanhut.com/Images/NFL-Replica/BengalsM.gif


:nope:

Nobody around here would ever bother with one of those. We know better. Because that's a Bengals helmet, and therefore useless when it comes to defense and offense.

[Penguin]

I have a Browning High Power, Customized to my likeing for home defense.
I prep the ammo myself.
I start with a Hollow point and cut an X into it ( not all the way to the bottom of the Hollow Point.)
This insures the round does maximum damage.
I add a drop of Mercury then wax coat that.


Does this influence the ballistic attributes of the bullet? Not that it really really matters at a short distance, but I am curious if you can see a difference in the longer, 50-100 yard, distance.

[Feuer Frei!]

Does this influence the ballistic attributes of the bullet? Not that it really really matters at a short distance, but I am curious if you can see a difference in the longer, 50-100 yard, distance.

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/mercury_in_bullet.html

The theory or rather concept behind this is to increase its lethality by poisoning.
As the projectile impacts it expands and breaks up and deposits the mercury.
I'm assuming it gives it a slightly higher impact energy, since mercury is heavier than lead.
Certainly negligible though.
But then again wouldn't the mercury vaporize as it exited the barrel?

[Penguin]

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/mercury_in_bullet.html

The theory or rather concept behind this is to increase its lethality by poisoning.
As the projectile impacts it expands and breaks up and deposits the mercury.
I'm assuming it gives it a slightly higher impact energy, since mercury is heavier than lead.
Certainly negligible though.
But then again wouldn't the mercury vaporize as it exited the barrel?

Interesting link, thanks. So I guess you have to somehow seal the parts of the bullets you don't want to "amalgan"
I didn't quote all of privateer's post, he mentioned that the bullets don't explode like in the movies.
The mercury would definitely vaporize alone by the air friction if it would not be coated. I am not sure however if a wax coating is sufficent to protect it. Sure, the (copper) casing will take most of the heat of the fired bullet, however the question is how hot the tip of the projectile gets.
Those guys (http://www.goinfrared.com/media/www_rangerats_org_bullet.pdf) measured the temperature of bullet, fired from an AR15, at 267° C (513°F), shortly after it left the barrel. This would melt wax, if the tip is this hot.

However in this article about gunshot wounds (http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum/index.php?/topic/78370-excellent-article-on-gunshot-wounds/) they state that bullets don't get hot enough to kill bacterias on it

All gunshot wounds are contaminated with bacteria. On occasion one still hears the myth that bullets reach such a high temperature in the gun barrel that they are sterilized by being fired. This was proved false by LaGarde in 1892 [47] , whose findings were more recently verified by Thoresby and Darlow. [48]


This would contradict the theory that wax would melt.
We'll have to wait what privateer says, as he certainly tested this in practice ;)

[Armistead]

Pistol grip 12gauge shot gun with short legal barrel is the ticket if it's legal in your state. :yep:

I keep it barrel pointed down within reach of my side of bed. :yep:

Yep, I have several, but keep a pistol grip 12 gauge auto under my bed. If it's home protection and you wake up half asleep you want something you can point in the general direction and get a hit. I would hate to shoot a burglar with my 3006, being doing a lot of wall repair through several walls.

[TLAM Strike]

An icepick

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fWDWFMNX0_M/RwI70WSDUmI/AAAAAAAAAQc/QyLVVej3a44/s320/Ice+Pick.jpg

Worked on Trotsky... well it took a few days for him to die but it worked... :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Probably wouldn't hurt to get yourself a high powered spotlight of sorts, so if you hear people in the barn you hit the switch and flood the barn with god alone knows how many watts of illumination. Firstly it'll give you a clearer image of what's going on, and secondly it'll screw their night-vision and obscure you, thus helping to increase your ambush options.
Just watch it with whatever you choose that it doesn't wind up hitting one of the horses, I'd wager that they're not cheap, in fact some horses are more expensive than firearms (and if it's a Shetland pony, probably more deadly).

Heck, for that pure Ranch look, get a Winchester repeating rifle. :03:

[Task Force]

Forget rifles, thats so late 19th century!


http://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/flak-panzer-iv-flakvierling.jpg
Get a set of these! that will keep people off your lawn!!! And its good in traffic jams.

[Growler]

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/mercury_in_bullet.html

The theory or rather concept behind this is to increase its lethality by poisoning.
As the projectile impacts it expands and breaks up and deposits the mercury.
I'm assuming it gives it a slightly higher impact energy, since mercury is heavier than lead.
Certainly negligible though.
But then again wouldn't the mercury vaporize as it exited the barrel?

A mercury load would be encapsulated in a sheath of metal, likely copper/lead. Upon impact with a target (body, wall, etc) the bullet begins to deform, breaking the integrity of the capsule and allowing mercury out.

Also, watch a high-speed camera in slo-mo, where a water balloon hits someone and explodes. Watch how the force is distributed against the target by how the balloon deforms. Fill a bullet tip with a liquid like mercury, and think of that as a small-caliber water balloon.

[Madox58]

The key to useing a Mercury drop is to not 'X' the Hollow point to much.
The added weight adds impact mass at very close ranges and when the Mercury expands?
It's quite impressive what it will to to a body!
Not to mention what an 'X'ed Hollow Point will do on it's own!
I'd not try to hit anything beyond 10 or 15 feet with a load done this way.
Common Wax as from a candle is not good enuff.
You need a good Wax.
50 to 100 yards is not Home defense by the way.
That's Murder.

Also, the U.S. Military taught me how to make the rounds.
I didn't think them up on my own.

[MH]

Perfect for neighborhood defence.
Kalashnikov skills required.
Very compact but a bit heavy.
Probably not very expensive.

IMI Micro Galil

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110211020822/deadliestfiction/images/2/2b/Israeli_2.jpg

[Gerald]

Personally, one should be restrictive when it comes to firearms, and should only be obtained if necessity demands it.

[Sailor Steve]

Personally, one should be restrictive when it comes to firearms, and should only be obtained if necessity demands it.
Of course if you don't have one before necessity demands it it's already too late.

[Feuer Frei!]

Mercury Bullet, commonly called the Splatter Round.
I thought that the impact force of a mercury bullet was negligible, a hollow-point filled with mercury will retain its initial mass and momentum. The arguement, which i might add i raised in a previous post as a question now seems moot, after having thought about it for a while, on the one side arguing that mercury is heavier than lead, but on the other side, which i take side with, that over such short distances this is a invalid take.
But, what the mercury tip does is create s hock zone far greater than what a normal bullet would.
But you know all that. :03:

[Gerald]

Of course if you don't have one before necessity demands it it's already too late. Of course it is so, the laws of the U.S. is different from what is generally the case in Europe, and then you can not go around the corner to "only" get a gun, because you have to have it, which certainly arouses irritation in some people.

[Madox58]

If one only looks at Home defense?
A Hand Gun is the best weapon for the average person.
Easy to handle and use.
You can point it around a corner with little effort and exposure with very little weight to draw the weapon down.
3 or 4 rounds capped at the intruder should send them out the door even if you don't hit them!
Shot Guns give a wider Hit but are a bit bulky and require better training
to actually use in doors unless you just want to put big holes in your walls.

Don't believe HollyWood first off.
Your home probably only has 1/2" drywall on each side of your walls.
Some places may only have 3/8ths"!
I can put one of my swords through that!
Hell I can punch through that if need be!

A good Hand Gun, and a few tricks added to your home for a very low cost can save your life.

[Gerald]

If one only looks at Home defense?
A Hand Gun is the best weapon for the average person.
Easy to handle and use.
You can point it around a corner with little effort and exposure with very little weight to draw the weapon down.
3 or 4 rounds capped at the intruder should send them out the door even if you don't hit them!
Shot Guns give a wider Hit but are a bit bulky and require better training
to actually use in doors unless you just want to put big holes in your walls.

Don't believe HollyWood first off.
Your home probably only has 1/2" drywall on each side of your walls.
Some places may only have 3/8ths"!
I can put one of my swords through that!
Hell I can punch through that if need be!

A good Hand Gun, and a few tricks added to your home for a very low cost can save your life. True, walls that are naturally amplified, and security doors is a base.

[Madox58]

As an example?
My home was invaded while the Wife and I were in Hawaii a few years ago.
My Step-Son and a friend ended up in Hospitals and my home was trashed by the invaders.
I had nothing in place to handle something like that back then.
The Best Weapons I had were not available to my Step-Son then.
He tried going for some of my Swords as I did teach him how to use them.
He managed to give a few good cuts before he was taken down.

My home now has 'special' stuff.
Each room has what I call 'Flash Bang' lights.
Nothing more then Strobe Lights rigged to go off at my demand.
Extreme sirens wired into the same system.
Then a few more 'devices' I designed that I'll not talk about.

I've also given written notice to the local Law Dogs that should
ANYONE attempt entry to my Home?
I will Shoot First and deal with the out come later!

I would estimate a force of 12 trying to enter my home would result in 12 body bags being needed to haul them away.

[Feuer Frei!]

It's hard to comprehend having to live in a setup like that.
I guess I really do live in the lucky country (Australia).

[Gerald]

As an example?
My home was invaded while the Wife and I were in Hawaii a few years ago.
My Step-Son and a friend ended up in Hospitals and my home was trashed by the invaders.
I had nothing in place to handle something like that back then.
The Best Weapons I had were not available to my Step-Son then.
He tried going for some of my Swords as I did teach him how to use them.
He managed to give a few good cuts before he was taken down.

My home now has 'special' stuff.
Each room has what I call 'Flash Bang' lights.
Nothing more then Strobe Lights rigged to go off at my demand.
Extreme sirens wired into the same system.
Then a few more 'devices' I designed that I'll not talk about.

I've also given written notice to the local Law Dogs that should
ANYONE attempt entry to my Home?
I will Shoot First and deal with the out come later!

I would estimate a force of 12 trying to enter my home would result in 12 body bags being needed to haul them away. Sorry to hear this stuff, I understand that you've done that you now have, and I would have chosen a similar planning,Flash Grenades are a good product, and maybe going to get,depending on the qualification of course.

[Castout]

Worked on Trotsky... well it took a few days for him to die but it worked... :hmmm:

Good to hear. If you struck him in the neck or at the heart he would die quicker though. :O:

Golf sticks could be handy too but its rod is just useless, you need to hit with the bottom end. A head is one big golf ball, just make sure you have enough space to swing that thing before you try :D
http://images.wikia.com/dead-rising/images/8/8d/Dead_rising_Golf_Club.png

[Madox58]

I live in a very small Village pretty much in the middle of no where land!
I was one of those who never figured this could happen to us.
Well it did.

I'll never be caught off guard again for such a situation!!

[Gerald]

I live in a very small Village pretty much in the middle of no where land!
I was one of those who never figured this could happen to us.
Well it did.

I'll never be caught off guard again for such a situation!! I certainly hope so, that you do not have the,situation again :yep:

[Madox58]

I am pretty much known as the ' Baddest Mofo in the Village' now.
:haha:

After the invasion, I chased down a 'few' people.
It was pretty ugly for those with any involvement.
Several went to prison.
Several went to Hospitals.
Several were 'invited' to leave the Village or face 'incidents' beyound accidents which might require massive medical costs.

I kind of became a Village Hero along with my usual 'Village Idiot' type appearence.
Of couse the local Law kind of played 'dumb' as I was doing them a favor.
:03:

And when I screwed up and was arrested for something?
I was given a very healthy break!
:up:

[Krauter]

Though I'm glad you feel safer now privateer, I kind of feel sorry for you. Don't take this in the wrong way, but, sending people to a Hospital and threatening people and forcing them to leave town is something that, though I'm sure I'd enjoy doing in the thrill of the moment, I would feel terribly afterwards.

Maybe it's just me and my (short) life experiences growing up in a small town in Canada, but all of the steps and measures discussed in this thread sound like every person is planning on half the town hiding an AR and planning on sneaking into houses to steal the new borns...

[Madox58]

Mate, Don't feel sorry for me.
It's hard to express how that episode changed our lives on a forum.
I left the U.S. Army and never touched a firearm again until this happened.
Nearly 20 years without ever touching a firearm!
Not in a single Gun in my home that whole time.
Because of where we live I felt they were not needed and the Wife hated them anyway.
I slept with and did things with them that I did not want one near me ever again.
Then the invasion happened.
It totally changed things in a way that turned my Life upside down!
I felt I had failed in my duty to protect my family!!
That is something you never want to go through!
As a trained deadly weapon for the U.S. Military?
I used everything I was taught to insure my family would be safe from then on!
I sought out the bad Guys and removed them by any means needed.
I added any defenses needed to protect my family from any sort of revenge those I had attacked might try.
I have sat in Court and made sure they did thier full time.
I have taken revenge on those that the Courts found 'Not enuff evidence'.
I have given the 'System' the first shot.
If they fail? I have resources that insure that the Guilty are punished.

I am not happy that I need to do what I have done.
It's probably the saddest part of my life that I need to do the things I do to protect my Loved ones.
But I WILL protect them!
And the cost to me does not matter in any way.

[TLAM Strike]

I am pretty much known as the ' Baddest Mofo in the Village' now.
:haha:

After the invasion, I chased down a 'few' people.
It was pretty ugly for those with any involvement.
Several went to prison.
Several went to Hospitals.
Several were 'invited' to leave the Village or face 'incidents' beyound accidents which might require massive medical costs.

I kind of became a Village Hero along with my usual 'Village Idiot' type appearence.
Of couse the local Law kind of played 'dumb' as I was doing them a favor.
:03:

And when I screwed up and was arrested for something?
I was given a very healthy break!
:up:
And after that he sold his story to Hollywood and they made a movie based on the life of Privateer... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0351977/)

;)

[Krauter]

Mate, Don't feel sorry for me.
It's hard to express how that episode changed our lives on a forum.
I left the U.S. Army and never touched a firearm again until this happened.
Nearly 20 years without ever touching a firearm!
Not in a single Gun in my home that whole time.
Because of where we live I felt they were not needed and the Wife hated them anyway.
I slept with and did things with them that I did not want one near me ever again.
Then the invasion happened.
It totally changed things in a way that turned my Life upside down!
I felt I had failed in my duty to protect my family!!
That is something you never want to go through!
As a trained deadly weapon for the U.S. Military?
I used everything I was taught to insure my family would be safe from then on!
I sought out the bad Guys and removed them by any means needed.
I added any defenses needed to protect my family from any sort of revenge those I had attacked might try.
I have sat in Court and made sure they did thier full time.
I have taken revenge on those that the Courts found 'Not enuff evidence'.
I have given the 'System' the first shot.
If they fail? I have resources that insure that the Guilty are punished.

I am not happy that I need to do what I have done.
It's probably the saddest part of my life that I need to do the things I do to protect my Loved ones.
But I WILL protect them!
And the cost to me does not matter in any way.

:salute: Respect to you sir

[Madox58]

And after that he sold his story to Hollywood and they made a movie based on the life of Privateer... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0351977/)

;)

How I could wish Mate!!
:haha:
But I doubt thumping a few Dope Heads to get them to talk would make a good Movie.
And my Village has less then 800 people in it.
So it's pretty easy to figure out who is into what.
I just happen to care more about my family then the average Joe around here.
Jail means nothing to me plus I make it very clear.....
Call the Cops and it WILL be worse when I get out if not before!

It's pretty intimidateing when at a phone call I can plant several hundred
'Colors Flying' MC Groups in front of a house.

[Anthony W.]

Okay, I've made my first gun decision.

I've always been attracted to revolvers... I'm going to get a high quality 44. Magnum to keep under the bed.

As for the rifle... Not sure...

[TLAM Strike]

I've always been attracted to revolvers... I'm going to get a high quality 44. Magnum...

Required... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnMLGkj91Og)

[Feuer Frei!]

Okay, I've made my first gun decision.
And i'm sure it won't be the last.
You've got a year.

[Anthony W.]

And i'm sure it won't be the last.
You've got a year.

This is true.

[Betonov]

At least you're alowed to defend yourselves. Slovenian law says, that if you kill someone in self defence it is still a murder. But god damn, I'm not going to let myself be killed, I'm allready in the process of aquiring some contacts that can get me a handgun to hide in my room. As long as I don't wave it around and hide it well, I won't have trouble with the law. Plus our house is centuries odl, made of thick stone walls, I can send a round into the walls to scare them off without worrying if the bullet will go trough to our neighbour.

[Tribesman]

I'm going to get a high quality 44. Magnum to keep under the bed.

A pattern continues :hmmm:

[Hottentot]

A pattern continues :hmmm:

Which one?

[Herr-Berbunch]

Okay, I've made my first gun decision.

Yep, move next door to privateer! :yep:

[RickC Sniper]

Okay, I've made my first gun decision.

I've always been attracted to revolvers... I'm going to get a high quality 44. Magnum to keep under the bed.



Why did you choose a .44? Have you ever fired a .44?:hmmm:

I have, several times, and it made me not want one.

Try before you buy.

[Anthony W.]

Why did you choose a .44? Have you ever fired a .44?:hmmm:

I have, several times, and it made me not want one.

Try before you buy.

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range

[Hottentot]

Anthony, I'm curious: have you ever been in a situation, where someone has directly threatened your life with more than just words?

[CaptainMattJ.]

how bout a vulcan minicannon with some high velocity armor piercing 20mm rounds :D
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/gallery/files/2/5/dual_minigun.jpg


or how bout a nice, simple satellite phone.........thats speed dialed to an AC-130 circling above? no?


Desert Eagles are nice. they slick and shiny. but you only get one chance to fire at someone, cause the recoil on this baby will send it flying without serious effort. it would usually take one shot before the burglar knows that he should get the ^&*( outta there. It will surely wake up the neighbors.

a shotgun will definitely blow a hole through a burglar, but it will most likely blow a hole through your house if you either miss or fire from a distance.

a pistol would be sufficient. There are many rifles that fire hefty slugs. Personally, if i had my pick, id choose an m1 garand, if it wasn't an antique. it would be easier to buy and its been battle proven. even a colt .45 1911 would be my choice. an m1 garand is pretty cheap too, if you dont buy it like a collectors item. Though i wonder where youd get the ammo........

[kranz]

makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range
you are not serious, aren't?
Thank God we still need visas in order to go to the US....

[Growler]

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range

Any .44 Mag worth anything is gonna be a heavy beast in comparison to, say an M9 or even a 1911.

If I need to defend my family in an emergency situation like a home invasion, I don't want to be trying to haul a horse pistol to bear on my target. Point, shoot - that's all the time you're gonna have, better to use it with a 9mm that's easy to move around but requires a double tap than to lose trying to haul that .44 to bear for even the first shot.

I hope you've got some Popeye forearms if you're going to do that with a .44 Mag.

[Stealhead]

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range


Any firearm can be one shot one kill if the bullet hits the right spot.The larger the caliber the more recoil and the less accurate additional rounds fired are going to be.In all reality the best weapon is the one that allows you to put the most rounds into a center mass target quickly and relatively accurately.Also not sure about other states but in FL you must be 21 to purchase a handgun 18 to get a long barrel weapon.I have a loud speaker that plays Barry Manalow tunes when ever I fear that a stranger is trying to invade my turf.


For a person not experienced with firearms much I'd say that a semiautomatic hand gun in the 9x19mm~.40cal range is the best option they have less recoil yet have enough power to get the job done.Also a firearm under the bed is about the worst place a dresser top or drawer is much more effective and allows easy access to extra magazines should you need them.

Of course without a good course in firearms safety basic ,shooting,and defensive shooting tactics you might as well not own any firearm.Dirty Harry is a fictitious character who never was in any real danger and never shot anyone.Guns are deadly and so are people who might try to hurt you(real people) and they might be very deadly with a fire arm so simply having a weapon means little.

Also it my personal belief that if you are not able to fight in hand to hand combat you cant be sure of yourself in any other way that is why I trained in Tae Kwon Do when I was younger and still practice it.I say that because I think many men are big into guns and such because they lack confidence in them selves in a physical way and dont think they stand much of a chance in hand to hand.Boxing and Martial Arts are good for truly building your confidence and they can teach you how to avoid violence all together just by simply having confidence and showing that you have awareness of your surroundings.Violent people look for easy victims not hard ones by simply walking around and paying attention to your surroundings many people simply will not ***** with you.

I can give you an example:A few years back I drove up to this convince store as soon as I got out of my car and headed towards the door I noticed several gang members standing right beside the stores door.I knew that turning my back on them was not an option so heading back into my car was out so I had to press forward.I looked right at each guys hands and face and just prepared my self for possible action.As I walked past the first gang member he raised his hand and I started to raise mine.I guess he must have noticed that I did not turn my back on them and and did not show any fear of them and I clearly reacted to his hand movement to strike me and the guy just said to his pals"Dont' do this dude." Good thing because I was ready to fight hard so that would have been one nasty scene because they out numbered me by three.Basically wolves do not attack other wolves they attack sheep.

[antikristuseke]

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range

It is a pistol caliber, counting on it to be a one shot, one kill weapon is a bit ridiculous to say the least. Another thing to consider is the weapons own weight. That being said, if you feel comfortable shooting a .44 get one.

Just don't expect it to put people down in one shot, also even Dirty Harry loaded his with .44 special ;)

[Ducimus]

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range

Dude, seriously, you don't need a hand cannon to put down an intruder. Ultimately, the best weapon for home defense, is the one you feel most comfortable with. It doesn't matter what hardware your packing if you can't hit your target center of mass. I suggest brain dumping hollywoodesque thoughts about firearms and think in practical terms.

Anthony, I'm curious: have you ever been in a situation, where someone has directly threatened your life with more than just words?

I have. And no, i don't want to talk about it.


Here's my first line of home defense, right here:
http://www.ducimus.net/temp/homedefense_01.jpg

I call him, my Early Warning Doggie Detection System. (or EWDDS for short. :O: )

He's a good boy, he's not aggressive, but he is alert and watchful, and never leaves our side. He woofs, at every sound he hears. Frankly, he woofs too much. This dog can hear someone placing a business card on the front door - from across the house.

Odds are if someone broke in, hed be barking up a storm before they got one leg into the place. I figure most people, sane or otherwise, would decide to leave after hearing a dog barking.

If that doesn't work, then there's this (and thanks to the EWDDS, id be awake to use it if need be):
http://www.ducimus.net/temp/homedefense_02.jpg
Mossberg 500. Short Length of pull stock, 18 1/2 inch barrel. It can hold up to 8 rounds. (7 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber). Overall length on this puppy is 38 inch's from muzzle to buttplate.

and yes Anthony W., thats your post in the background.
( Nevermind the grungy keyboard, stop watch, make shift coffee mug mat, and slippers. :shifty: )

[Growler]

Fuzzy Slippers and a Shotgun.

There's something there... I don't know what, exactly, but something...:D

[Hottentot]

I have. And no, i don't want to talk about it.

So have I and neither do I, so the attitude is unnecessary. The point was very simple, and I'm sure you understood it.

[Ducimus]

Fuzzy Slippers and a Shotgun.

There's something there... I don't know what, exactly, but something...:D

Hey those slippers are comfortable. Suede leather, with a genuine artificial wool lining. :haha: Very comfortable in the winter! (or a cold basement home office :shifty: )

[Growler]

So have I and neither do I, so the attitude is unnecessary. The point was very simple, and I'm sure you understood it.

Hmm... maybe I read it differently, but I didn't get a bristly or hostile sense out of the statement by either of you; I got more a sense of something far different.

Hey those slippers are comfortable. Suede leather, with a genuine artificial wool lining. :haha: Very comfortable in the winter! (or a cold basement home office :shifty: )

Hey, I wasn't judging, just sayin'...


...at least they aren't rainbows or Hello, Kitty. :haha:

[Platapus]

.In all reality the best weapon is the one that allows you to put the most rounds into a center mass target quickly and relatively accurately.



There is much wisdom in those words.

I am reminded of an almost interesting story from my sordid past. Back when I was a punk I was quite the gun nut and liked to hang round in my local gun shop. One day a customer came in that made the owner's day.

The customer wanted a hand gun for home defense. Great, that's why the gun store is there.

It simply had to be a .44 mag. :hmmm: A bit over kill to make a bad pun but hey, this is America and if someone wants to spend their money on a .44 mag, who is to say they can't. Would suck to be his neighbour, but that's not the gun shop owner's concern.

His next request was to have a scope installed on it. .44 mag with a scope for home defense. :hmmm::hmmm:. But hey, still in America and if someone wants to pay for a scope on their .44 mag, the gun store owner is more than happy to do it. Perhaps he has a home with very long hallways.

The customer's last request was a bit unusual. He wanted a silencer.

A silenced .44 mag with scope for home defense. :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm: There were some issues

1. A silencer is a Class III device and there is "paperwork" involved that neither the customer nor the gun shop had

2. You can't silence a .44 mag bullet in flight unless you reduce the velocity to subsonic and that usually requires a special load which eliminates any "advantage" of the "magnum" round.

3. Any silencer capable of silencing a .44 mag round would be so long and wide as to be tactically unwieldy.

4. You can't silence a .44 mag revolver without encasing it in a box.

5. You don't need a frickin .44 mag with a fricking scope and a fricking silencer for frickin home frickin defense :stare::stare::stare:

Sans silencer, this customer spent about $2,000 for a gun with little practical use. This was more than 30 years ago. Gotta love Americans. They will buy stuff without really knowing what they are buying. :up:

It was a fun and profitable day for the gun shop owner. :yep:

Too bad the owner did not have a .454 Casull in stock, he could have sold that for mega bucks.

[Platapus]

Mossberg 500. Short Length of pull stock, 18 1/2 inch barrel. It can hold up to 8 rounds. (7 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber).


The best thing about a shotgun is that you may not have to even fire it. :yep:

What kinda rounds are you feeding it? What is your opinion on some of the non-lethal rounds for shot guns?

I am frankly torn on that issue.

[Ducimus]

The best thing about a shotgun is that you may not have to even fire it. :yep:

What kinda rounds are you feeding it? What is your opinion on some of the non-lethal rounds for shot guns?

I am frankly torn on that issue.

Shotguns do look nasty i'll admit that. Not that, it matters if its pointed at someone. Any gun looks nasty when its pointed at you.

Im feeding it 00 buck. I bought some cheap rounds, the Wolf brand. Im sure you've seen them at a sporting goods store. I'm not too worried about having a tight pattern in close quarters. I'll get some better rounds at some point, but it hasn't been a pressing issue. Its not like im discharging double 00 buck on a regular basis. Ive brought this piece out for target practice a couple times but thats about it. For the most part I figure any 00 buck round will do. Getting hit with one is like getting hit with nine 32 caliber bullets simultaneously.


As for non lethal, i have thought long and hard about a bean bag round. My biggest concern is safety. Because of that, I do not keep a round chambered. The weapon is not charged. I like and don't like this at the same time. Also, i'm afraid i will hesitate - and with good reason. I don't want to hit the dog, or loved one. When the **** hits the fan, you panic, plain and simple. The weapon is not ready to go at a moments notice, and i might hesitate.

WIth a bean bag round chambered, all those problems go away. I would not need to charge the weapon and i would not hesitate, while maintaining some semblence of saftey. If an accident happened, the damage would not be permanent. Just a very large bruise. You can also rack a follow up lethal round pretty fast if more persuasion was needed. So i would have to say that if i saw some nonleathal rounds at the store (and i haven't unfortuantely), i would get them.

[Tribesman]

Which one?
The one of nonsense Hotentot.
It was exactly the same pattern in the "fitness" topic.

[Stealhead]

Shotguns are pretty good but as some have said I'd go with either a traditional like Duc or the style that has a pistol grip and stock I find pistol grip only to be too strong of recoil you need your shoulder to absorb some of that recoil and allow you to require the line of sight again with just a pistol all the recoil goes into your arm and the barrel raises much.Also forget the Hollywood myth that you dont need to aim a shotgun you do trust me I have tried that fire from the hip and missed a target at only 15 yards one that I'd have nailed if aiming.
There is a video of a solider shooting a pistol grip 12 guage I will post it if I can find it as it shows just how strong the recoil is even to a infantryman.

here is one but not the one I was looking for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjPONUqYaKs

[Anthony W.]

Anthony, I'm curious: have you ever been in a situation, where someone has directly threatened your life with more than just words?

Several times

I got jumped by a group of thugs last year walking to my car from a competition - they took my sports coat and my wallet - which - thankfully didn't have much in it.

I was in my car and one of the other cars at the light chased me all the way to the police station

[Platapus]

As for non lethal, i have thought long and hard about a bean bag round.


As have I. I am split

1. I was taught that you do not fire a gun at someone unless you have already made the decision to kill them. If that decision is not made, don't shoot.

2. I can appreciate the advantages of having a live burglar. At the trial a live burglar can always be asked "exactly what were you doing in his house at 0300?" I have read instances where juries may appreciate an initial non-lethal round first as it shows that you considered a lower level of force.

I like item 1 but I also see the wisdom of item 2.

I once had a LE friend of mine tell me: "Never forget that in your self-defense trial, your future will be decided by a jury who was not there, did not experience what you experienced, may have no idea of that experience, and has plenty of time to consider what a 'reasonable person' would do."

There was wisdom in those words too.

I currently do not have any non-lethal rounds, but am considering buying a few. Still torn. I can appreciate both arguments on this one. :yep:

[Ducimus]

As have I. I am split

1. I was taught that you do not fire a gun at someone unless you have already made the decision to kill them. If that decision is not made, don't shoot.

2. I can appreciate the advantages of having a live burglar. At the trial a live burglar can always be asked "exactly what were you doing in his house at 0300?" I have read instances where juries may appreciate an initial non-lethal round first as it shows that you considered a lower level of force.

I like item 1 but I also see the wisdom of item 2.

I once had a LE friend of mine tell me: "Never forget that in your self-defense trial, your future will be decided by a jury who was not there, did not experience what you experienced, may have no idea of that experience, and has plenty of time to consider what a 'reasonable person' would do."

There was wisdom in those words too.

I currently do not have any non-lethal rounds, but am considering buying a few. Still torn. I can appreciate both arguments on this one. :yep:

Well the effectiveness of something like a bean bag around will differ on the individual.

See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeRKm9ZsqtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blsSSFZEqck


As for the argument, number one is, can you leave a round in the chamber?
The lady in my house, is unquestionably uncomfortable with that. So, i can't.

Should I leave a round in the chamber?
I think so. A situation where your forced to use a gun will happen fast. You might only have time enough to disengage the saftey, point, and fire. Arming yourself should have as few counts to its movement as possible IMO.


So in my situation, given what my spouse is comfortable with, a less lethal round is sort of a compromise. Also in my case, it may be a moot point. I know myself well enough to know that once ive made the decision to shoot, and i start firing, i don't stop racking rounds until whatever im shooting at stops moving. I can pump out 3 rounds really fast.

An alternative to a non lethal round could be a dove load. say, a number 9 shot in a low base shell. However, i'm pretty sure that at a close enough range, that will kill too. Regardess if it kills or not, it WILL produce a NASTY wound.

[Stealhead]

Personally I think that the bean bag round should be called less than lethal not non-lethal because if it hits the wrong part of the body it can kill or cause serious injury.

My brother in law is a deputy sheriff here in Florida and while it varies from car to car some have just an M-4 others have a shotty and M-4(rarely) and still others have an M-4 and a bean bag shotty that has an orange stock and pump.The reason they are orange is so that there is no confusion that it is a bean bag shotgun they do not put other shells in the orange guns and no bean bags are allowed in the normal lethal shotguns.

My brother explained to me that some officers get extensive training on how and when to and when not to use bean bags do to their less than lethal nature.Put simply the bean bag rounds can kill or seriously injure if they hit you at to close of range of course they might not it just all depends I'd say in a self defense situation you are apt to use them incorrectly and that is a no go if you are danger. Also they show the videos where the guy goes down pretty easy from the bags.My brother once saw a guy take 6 of them and still resist so they tazed him instead this man was not on drugs or drunk either just riled up.

I'd say to Duci not to bother with the bean bag rounds you might as well just use your lethal loads.Police use those bean bags in very controlled situations when they are trying to save the person being "shots" life never in a self defense situation.

[Madox58]

Regardess if it kills or not, it WILL produce a NASTY wound.

I've seen People with entire Limbs blown off kill others before they passout or die from a wound.

Better to be Judged by 12 then Carried by 6 I say.
If one is worried about the possible legal out come from a Gun Battle in the Home?
Just build a safe room and hide away in that.
The cost is not that great a difference if you do it with some fore thought.

[Krauter]

The one of nonsense Hotentot.
It was exactly the same pattern in the "fitness" topic.


Aye I was seeing it as well but didn't know if I should stir the pot some or let it stagnate

[Stealhead]

Aye I was seeing it as well but didn't know if I should stir the pot some or let it stagnate

I like to stir it myself.Why not, it is likely an "outlet" if you know what I mean.And you can still have a useful discussion as well.

[Anthony W.]

I've seen People with entire Limbs blown off kill others before they passout or die from a wound.

Better to be Judged by 12 then Carried by 6 I say.
If one is worried about the possible legal out come from a Gun Battle in the Home?
Just build a safe room and hide away in that.
The cost is not that great a difference if you do it with some fore thought.

Where I live, all you have to do is prove that they broke in. Doesn't matter if they were armed or not - if they break in - shoot first - ask later.

[Madox58]

Ohio has pretty much the same thought.
If they are breaking in it's not going to be good.
So dusting them is A-O.K.
But just for that Jury that may be a bit touchy on wasteing a perp?
Keep an untraceable throw away to place in his dead hand!
A simple knife is good enuff.

[Stealhead]

Yeah but if they are the kind of man that privateer mentioned and they keep going at you with their arm chopped of you had better man up like Harry Callahan have one more round.

You live in Ohio correct? I dont read your law to saw what you claim it is much like the Florida law where the person must enter your house(or car) and be clearly intending to cause bodily harm other wise you cannot shoot them.Though this could be hard to know for sure in most situations.

[Madox58]

Ohio - 2901.05 Burden of proof - reasonable doubt - self-defense
covers the Home invasion senario.

(B)(1) Subject to division (B)(2) of this section, a person is presumed to have acted in self defense or defense of another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if the person against whom the defensive force is used is in the process of unlawfully and without privilege to do so entering, or has unlawfully and without privilege to do so entered, the residence or vehicle occupied by the person using the defensive force.

Granted some areas of Ohio (Bigger Ciities) may be a bit picky on this subject.
In my area? You'd probably never go to trial.

About 3 weeks after the Home invasion someone was beating on my door at 4 in the morning.
I looked out the window but did not see anyone.
So I went out the back door and circled the house.
Imagine my surprise and the Local Sheriff's Deputy's surprise as I stuck my Browing 9mm in his face!!
:o

It was dark and I literally grabbed him by the shirt and planted him on the hood of his Crusier before He or I realized what the heck was happening!
:haha:

It was a misunderstanding over a runaway from another Town 20 miles away.
And they did agree to NEVER bang on my door like that again without just cause!!
:O:
The County did a bang up job putting the Guilty in prison from the Invasion.
And I did become friends with many of the Deputies dureing and after that time.

But they still approach my Home in a careful way!!

[Ducimus]

I've seen People with entire Limbs blown off kill others before they passout or die from a wound.

Better to be Judged by 12 then Carried by 6 I say.
If one is worried about the possible legal out come from a Gun Battle in the Home?
Just build a safe room and hide away in that.
The cost is not that great a difference if you do it with some fore thought.

Well, the reason i say a dove load would leave a nasty wound is because ive seen what those rounds will do, only on inanimate objects. They can do more damage then you'd think.

As for legality's. Im not worried about that. Most states have a castle law. California does, as does Utah.

The only reason i would consider non lethal rounds is to appease the wife to be. If i had my way, id have the weapon charged, and ready to rock. But that makes her uncomfortable and she's also thinking down the line when we have kids. So i have to compromise.

[Madox58]

Well, the reason i say a dove load would leave a nasty wound is because ive seen what those rounds will do, only on inanimate objects. They can do more damage then you'd think.

As for legality's. Im not worried about that. Most states have a castle law. California does, as does Utah.

The only reason i would consider non lethal rounds is to appease the wife to be. If i had my way, id have the weapon charged, and ready to rock. But that makes her uncomfortable and she's also thinking down the line when we have kids. So i have to compromise.

I totally understand the wife issue.
That's why no Fire Arms were here when they were needed.
The wife just hated them and did not even want an unloaded one in the house!
As we live in a podunk kind of place?
I was O.K. with that.
I can walk to the other side of this Village in minutes for God's sake.
Naked and not get much more then a chuckle!
What could happen, right?
We are the only ones to suffer this type Crime here as far back as records go.
It was because of stupid kids and a Dumb Girl Friend thing!
Had I been here when the Thugs showed up?
Bodies would have been taken away in multiple parts!!

When I spoke at the sentencing of those captured, I made it clear......
I WILL execute (that is the exact term I used!) anyone of those convicted
should they seek revenge when released from prison.

2 were sent back to prison because they made remarks in Bars to other family members about revenge.
I tend to believe that they were sent back by the Court so I would not handle them.

They have never mentioned revenge since.........
(I do have contacts inside of the prisons they were in by the way)
:rotfl2:

[RickC Sniper]

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.


That is wrong on SOOOO many levels. You are not ready for a firearm, and I'm doubting you will be in the near future.

[RickC Sniper]

A .45 is my choice, and the first round would go into a header above a doorway. Odds are very good you wouldn't need to shoot again.

[Anthony W.]

That is wrong on SOOOO many levels. You are not ready for a firearm, and I'm doubting you will be in the near future.

Give me a damn break. I just watched the movie when it came on TV.

[Hottentot]

Several times

Fair enough. As I said, I was curious. Mostly because if there is one thing I learned from my own experience, it is that people who haven't been in such situation don't have any idea what it can be like. Their closest relation is usually seeing something like that from TV and that's what they base their responses on as well. Which are usually along the lines "I would have kicked them in the nuts, then whipped out a gun and shot them all."

But it's not the weapon that makes the situation any better, it's the person. You can have a gun, a knife, or a freaking nuke in your pocket and it won't do you any good, if you are suddenly too scared to even reach for it, let alone use it effectively.

[Morts]

Give me a damn break. I just watched the movie when it came on TV.
No, he shouldnt give you a damn break, its an effin firearm.

[Anthony W.]

Fair enough. As I said, I was curious. Mostly because if there is one thing I learned from my own experience, it is that people who haven't been in such situation don't have any idea what it can be like. Their closest relation is usually seeing something like that from TV and that's what they base their responses on as well. Which are usually along the lines "I would have kicked them in the nuts, then whipped out a gun and shot them all."

Totally agree. I thought I knew what a "dangerous" situation was - I found out the hard way that I didn't. Kind of like how you're never too afraid of death till its staring you in the face.

[Stealhead]

Well, the reason i say a dove load would leave a nasty wound is because ive seen what those rounds will do, only on inanimate objects. They can do more damage then you'd think.

As for legality's. Im not worried about that. Most states have a castle law. California does, as does Utah.

The only reason i would consider non lethal rounds is to appease the wife to be. If i had my way, id have the weapon charged, and ready to rock. But that makes her uncomfortable and she's also thinking down the line when we have kids. So i have to compromise.

Personally I feel that a fully loaded fire arm in a place where there are young children present is simply too dangerous.Years back my older sister myself and my cousin where sitting on my uncle and aunts bed the whole family was there it was a reunion or something(not sure I was too young to be remember this was in 78')My sister was about 3 and my cousin about 5.Anyway my uncle used to leave a locked and loaded M1911 on his dresser well their just happened to no adults in the room and my mom and dad did not think of it as they never had any guns inside the house and my uncle just did not think of it either.My aunt came into the room and my sister has this .45 in her hands and the barrel was pointed at my cousins head my aunt was smart enough not to act like the gun was of much value(you know how kids are with interesting objects)and took the gun away from her.After that my uncle has never had a fully loaded weapon in his home.

I also do not keep fully loaded weapons in my house at max I will have a handgun with a magazine beside out but not inside it and the the gun will also be on safe and most times I keep in one of those finger safes.I dont spend much time worrying about needing a fully loaded weapon near me at all times.

I just don't see the need to have that level of alertness at all times(unless some local event warrants it) thinking this way to me is worrying about something that is pretty unlikely to ever happen and the odds are that if something ever does happen I will be able to get to my weapon in time to make it ready.I got a conceal carry license a few years back more for the hell of it than anything I had a buddy that was going to a course and he asked me to come with him so I did.Sometimes I have a handgun with me other times I don't.

I know a guy that carries a handgun everywhere with him in his home even to take a dump I think that is way over the top that guy is putting the level of stress that a person in combat is under for no real reason.The funny thing is this same guy never wears a seat belt which I find a bit odd as he is far more likely to die or be hurt in a car accident than he is to be the victim of a violent crime.

The only thing that is dangerous that wonders on to my turf are black bears and coyotes(I dot know how coyotes wound up in FL but they are here have been since the late 80's some say they escaped from hunting reserves) You cant shot a black bear unless it is directly endangering you and the coyotes get scared away by my dogs most times.

Black bears I find rather dislike the sound of a shotgun going off so I will pop a round off into the trees(in a direction where there is not a house for over a mile) and they split.

[Tribesman]

No, he shouldnt give you a damn break, its an effin firearm.
Morts, it is just a nonsense thread again.

[Hottentot]

Morts, it is just a nonsense thread again.

Bread and circuses :DL

[Tribesman]

Bread and circuses
What is going to be the next round?
No hold on I know, what sort of shotgun should I consider buying as I am planning on going hunting frigging wolverines.
Or maybe I am looking for a mid sized town car, should I buy a Vespa or a Peterbuilt.

[MH]

A good starter kit

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRndkdIRZ0pHjEbmeu7rHN71JDtoGvBQ njL3aqjkZbo5sAiLjbO

[Anthony W.]

Morts, it is just a nonsense thread again.

Everybody, Tribesman is just confusing is rear end with his brain again. Don't worry about him.

[Platapus]

I know a guy that carries a handgun everywhere with him in his home even to take a dump .....


I knew a guy like that. He carried his hand gun everywhere in his apartment and never entered his apartment without his gun in his hand. He would then systematically clear each room of his apartment. He did this for about 8 months after he came home one day and caught a burglar in his apartment and the burglar had a gun!

Fortunately, I was able to talk the burglar to leave without shooting me. It was in 1982 when I was living in Utah.

Things like that an affect on people.

[Morts]

Everybody, Tribesman is just confusing is rear end with his brain again. Don't worry about him.
seems more like that is what you're doing

[Hottentot]

The Internet is serious business :o

[Krauter]

Everybody, Tribesman is just confusing is rear end with his brain again. Don't worry about him.

I'm sorry but to me it just sounds a bit like showmanship. People here have suggested pistols and shotguns that would be useful and safe to both yourself and bystanders and you choose a .44.. Next you state that you don't care about collateral damage you just want that 'one shot, one kill' and feel like Dirty Harry...

Same as the weight loss thread where you're just trying to go to an extreme length when the people in that thread posted safer, more efficient and more effective means. Why post the thread asking the questions when you're not even going to take into account what people are telling you, let alone answer points or make rude suggestions when people question your motives?

Anyways, just wanted to get that out there since everytime I read the last thread and this one I just chuckle a little bit. I'm sure it'll be the same for the next thread but we'll just have to wait and see.

[Tribesman]

Everybody, Tribesman is just confusing is rear end with his brain again.
So that is from someone who is in industry and is at school and is carrying out ground breaking extremely advanced experimental scientific research all at the same time:hmmm:
Confusing eh
Given the simple maths and logic problems displayed I would say that probably confused schoolboy with mental issues is the correct version:yep:

[Feuer Frei!]

SUBSIM is serious business :o
Fixed.

[MH]

The Internet is serious business :o


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTppjzI_KBsk965RfuaZ5toG9XYIHMIQ LtZD9dMBH5pfdKz-zIDqg

[Anthony W.]

So that is from someone who is in industry and is at school and is carrying out ground breaking extremely advanced experimental scientific research all at the same time:hmmm:

So what if thats what interests me? In my spare time, instead of playing sports, I conduct research and development. Instead of telling everyone I know about the latest gossip, I'm taking to my friends about new sets of chemical and physical bonds between components that create and interesting set of properties.

Problem with that?

And - I am taking into account what people are telling me. Whether or not it SEEMS like it - I am. This thread is also confusing - so many people saying so many different things.

Now - how does everyone feel about the M1911? Is it solid? Does it have some decent stopping power?

And - my state really DOESN'T care much about what kind of damage I do to my own possessions. I could take explosives and blow a hole in my garage without it being a problem (exaggeration). Hell, last year I shot off a fireworks mortar and it failed. Lit the back field on fire - I put it out - no problem other than that I smelled like smoke.

[Krauter]

Now - how does everyone feel about the M1911? Is it solid? Does it have some decent stopping power?


*Goes through 11 page thread... Sees its been mentioned about a dozen times..*

And - I am taking into account what people are telling me. Whether or not it SEEMS like it - I am.

Sure seems like it.

[Oberon]

M1911 has a lot of good reviews, it's solid, rugged, and reliable. The design hasn't changed much at all over the hundred years it's been around, which means if it ain't broke... :03:

[MH]

So what if thats what interests me? In my spare time, instead of playing sports, I conduct research and development. Instead of telling everyone I know about the latest gossip, I'm taking to my friends about new sets of chemical and physical bonds between components that create and interesting set of properties.

Problem with that?

And - I am taking into account what people are telling me. Whether or not it SEEMS like it - I am. This thread is also confusing - so many people saying so many different things.

Now - how does everyone feel about the M1911? Is it solid? Does it have some decent stopping power?

And - my state really DOESN'T care much about what kind of damage I do to my own possessions. I could take explosives and blow a hole in my garage without it being a problem (exaggeration). Hell, last year I shot off a fireworks mortar and it failed. Lit the back field on fire - I put it out - no problem other than that I smelled like smoke.

Gee man.....get your self a Glock or other 9mm that feels comfortable do some good training and thats it.
That's most practical convenient and "fun" solution.

If you are into Dirty Harry thing that maybe understandable because you are young but its not practical actually pretty useless bull.

[Morts]

So what if thats what interests me? In my spare time, instead of playing sports, I conduct research and development. Instead of telling everyone I know about the latest gossip, I'm taking to my friends about new sets of chemical and physical bonds between components that create and interesting set of properties.

Alright Mr. Internet smart guy :up:
the more you sit there and brag about these things that you aparently do,
the less people believe you.

[Anthony W.]

If you are into Dirty Harry thing that maybe understandable because you are young but its not practical actually pretty useless bull.

To be honest - not really into Dirty Harry - just Clint Eastwood

[MH]

To be honest - not really into Dirty Harry - just Clint Eastwood

Fine... just don't trip with it too much.

[Krauter]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lekwybRZ1X1qfd5a4o1_500.jpg

[CaptainMattJ.]

Woh!

I thought i was the only one thinking of the Garand and the M1911. seems im not the only one who appreciates such weaponry :DL. but, true that the bullet would cause some damage. not as much as a shotgun perhaps, fired at medium range, but itll put a hole in the wall. its better than getting shanked by some lowlife in black fatigues, who proceeds to run around the house like a child in a candy store and steal all your stuff.

however, a German Shepard, or another active dog would also be a must-have. hell, it could even be used (somewhat) in lieu of a weapon, granted he doesnt somehow get the upper hand before the dog severs his jugular. if you simply dont want a firearm around, get 2 or even 3 German shepherds. a man has to be one HELL of a trooper to take on 3 dogs at once, and win with his life or even most of his innards. German shepherds can be extremely vicious and will tear you up.

[Anthony W.]

But, true that the bullet would cause some damage. not as much as a shotgun perhaps, fired at medium range, but itll put a hole in the wall.

I can patch a hole in drywall - but not in my throat.

[Tribesman]

So what if thats what interests me? In my spare time, instead of playing sports, I conduct research and development. Instead of telling everyone I know about the latest gossip, I'm taking to my friends about new sets of chemical and physical bonds between components that create and interesting set of properties.

Yet simple math and logic is beyond your ken:yep:

BTW which is it? your spare time that is.
Is it your spare time from school your spare time from work or your spare time from the super high tech ground breaking research project?
don't tell me you have invented time travel:rotfl2:
Also, this wife who doesn't want you to keep a gun under the pillow, does she get on with your classmates?

[antikristuseke]

M1911 has a lot of good reviews, it's solid, rugged, and reliable. The design hasn't changed much at all over the hundred years it's been around, which means if it ain't broke... :03:

The only weakish part of the design in the extractor which is why I like Para-Ordnance 1911's, though not with their double action trigger. Load it with quality hollow points and you should be golden for home defense.

@OP

But as it has been said repeatedly try out different pistols in different calibers, if you are more comfortable shooting a different pistol in the same caliber, go for that, if you are uncomfortable with the .45 cartridge, go for a 9mm, load it with hollow points and you would again be golden. Multiple rounds on target quickly with good placement is a hell of a lot more important than the caliber of the round fired at the target when it comes to pistol cartridges.

.45 and 9mm are only some of the options, there is also the 10mm auto, the .40 s&w. All of those make capable home defense rounds without being too exotic and have several platforms available to fire them from.

to recap, try different ones, find what suits you best, practice with it and don't worry too much about which round is the theoretical best as what matters is which you yourself can use the best. All of them are more than capable of killing a man.

[RickC Sniper]

I really haven't fired a gun in about 10 years... I mean, I've used some target pistols, but it was a long time ago since I took the Boy Scout rifle class

I like the 44/ Ruger 480 for the stopping power. Having something almost 50 cal in your hand makes you feel like Dirty Harry.

I fired one and I know the recoil is horrible - but - from what I've been told - it is one of those "one shot, one kill" weapons at close range

You are 17 yrs old. You haven't fired a gun in 10 years. You HAVE fired a .44.......which I certainly do not call a target pistol.

Something is not right here.

[Platapus]

Are you flaunting your math skills again? :O:

[RickC Sniper]

Are you flaunting your math skills again? :O:

:O:

[Oberon]

:O:

Perhaps he fought in the Rwandan civil war?

[Madox58]

I don't know how much of posting are total BS in this thread.
Nor do I really care that much.
I can only tell you that once your Home has been invaded?
It's a form of rape that strips away that wonderful feeling of safety we all take for granted!

I moved to such a small area for that very reason of security in my mind.
I trusted that our out of the way residence ensured added safety.

I can NEVER be anywhere now and feel totally safe from invasion!
I gave up a very good business on the road to stay Home to protect my family because of that one 10 minute intrusion.

I can not sleep as well as I use to and even the slightest noise wakes me
in a death dealing mode!

So if some parts of this thread is BS?
Over look that and trust me that Home Invasion CAN happen to anyone, anytime, anywhere!

My actions may seem extreme to many, but it's how I handle things.
It works for me and I have not a single thing to be sorry about if I made life hard for a few scumbags!

Did I violate thier rights?
Damned right I did! And I'll do it again if the situation calls for it!
Let them call the Law if they feel so 'violated'.

[Tribesman]

Perhaps he fought in the Rwandan civil war?
Rwanda, that's in Europe , I once went to Rwanda to refloat a supertanker and save the swedish economy with a particle accelerator in Vienna which is in australia and has the man with no name who is dirty and hairy as both mayor and sherrif but he only carries a wimpy webley with a wobbly barrel so he is ripe for home invasion even if he keeps it under his teddy which was originally named after FDR who shot a panda in cuba because he thought it was a camel which gives you cancer if you burn it

[Betonov]

Rwanda, that's in Europe , I once went to Rwanda to refloat a supertanker and save the swedish economy with a particle accelerator in Vienna which is in australia and has the man with no name who is dirty and hairy as both mayor and sherrif but he only carries a wimpy webley with a wobbly barrel so he is ripe for home invasion even if he keeps it under his teddy which was originally named after FDR who shot a panda in cuba because he thought it was a camel which gives you cancer if you burn it

If I didn't know all the episodes by heart I'd think you pulled this out of a Monty Python sketch :DL

[MH]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/8/129178140511173426.jpg (http://cheezburger.com/View/3502887424)

[Platapus]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/8/129178140511173426.jpg (http://cheezburger.com/View/3502887424)


Yes he is, the question is on who?

[Stealhead]

I bet it is on this thread.

[Sailor Steve]

Rwanda, that's in Europe , I once went to Rwanda to refloat a supertanker and save the swedish economy with a particle accelerator in Vienna which is in australia and has the man with no name who is dirty and hairy as both mayor and sherrif but he only carries a wimpy webley with a wobbly barrel so he is ripe for home invasion even if he keeps it under his teddy which was originally named after FDR who shot a panda in cuba because he thought it was a camel which gives you cancer if you burn it
Is that all? You're not even in a league with Real Men. :O:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=930511&postcount=2

[Hottentot]

however, a German Shepard, or another active dog would also be a must-have. hell, it could even be used (somewhat) in lieu of a weapon, granted he doesnt somehow get the upper hand before the dog severs his jugular. if you simply dont want a firearm around, get 2 or even 3 German shepherds. a man has to be one HELL of a trooper to take on 3 dogs at once, and win with his life or even most of his innards. German shepherds can be extremely vicious and will tear you up.

To repeat myself from the first page: no. Just no.

[Krauter]

however, a German Shepard, or another active dog would also be a must-have. hell, it could even be used (somewhat) in lieu of a weapon, granted he doesnt somehow get the upper hand before the dog severs his jugular. if you simply dont want a firearm around, get 2 or even 3 German shepherds. a man has to be one HELL of a trooper to take on 3 dogs at once, and win with his life or even most of his innards. German shepherds can be extremely vicious and will tear you up.

/facepalm..

Then when his German shephards maul his ass to death you need to foot the bill for putting down 2-3 dogs, plus guard dogs don't make nice house pets.

This thread is losing less and less credibility and my esteem for a few members here has gone down a couple of notches as well..

Oh well, roll with the punches I guess.

[Hottentot]

Thank you, Krauter.

[Anthony W.]

This thread has descended into chaos...

I know. Lets talk about fish. Who doesn't love fish? So tasty.

[Feuer Frei!]

All hail the Garand! The most overrated firearm in history!

Read on:

http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/the-garand--almost-as-good-as-a-real-rifle

[Sailor Steve]

This thread has descended into chaos...
This thread was chaos from the very first post.

[Anthony W.]

This thread was chaos from the very first post.

So true.

[Krauter]

I vote for a facepalm emote.. would make me searching google for a new facepalm pic a lot easier

[MH]

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20065i6F045AC638D3C2D4/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

[Krauter]

:D Thanks friend :salute:

[gimpy117]

This thread has descended into chaos...

I know. Lets talk about fish. Who doesn't love fish? So tasty.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2168629170487&set=a.2144023715366.185016.1089427425&type=1&theater

only a 12 incher. but there some pics of bigger ones in that album

[Feuer Frei!]

This thread was chaos from the very first post.

So true.
You mean the other 188 posts were a waste of time? :doh::haha:

[Stealhead]

I actually did find some of the posts useful.Like the one link you posted about the Garand I agree with that opinion and in my experience much of what was said in that blog is true.
Also the post with "Is Clint Eastwood Taking a Crap?" I found that to be highly informative.

I suspect that someone is trying to get a really high post count:hmmm:.

[razark]

I suspect that someone is trying to get a really high post count:hmmm:.
Are you saying someone around here would post something in a pointless thread just to raise their post counts? :nope:






+1...

[Krauter]

You mean the other 188 posts were a waste of time? :doh::haha:

As were the other number of posts in the weight loss thread :yep:



I suspect that someone is trying to get a really high post count:hmmm:.

Methinks you are right

[Anthony W.]

As were the other number of posts in the weight loss thread :yep:



Methinks you are right

I sort of was sort of wasn't - just wanted to make Captain :D

And I have lost 10lbs in the past month

[Stealhead]

Ah I get it now your killing two birds with one stone by posting you are burning calories and the typing is part of your routine and you are gaining "rank" in subsim you have are now officially in command of a squad of bilge rats maybe we will put you in a medal I would donate 200 of my posts to you a step promote you to the next rank alas I do not have this power.

(hint).... if you donate to subsim you can request to have your very own avatar and "rank" if you so desire.I did earlier this year but did not go for the personal avatar I like the system.)

[Anthony W.]

(hint).... if you donate to subsim you can request to have your very own avatar and "rank" if you so desire.I did earlier this year but did not go for the personal avatar I like the system.)

Been meaning to donate 20 bucks at some point...

[Tribesman]

And I have lost 10lbs in the past month
Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

But if those 10pounds were converted to metric and were liquid weight then how many more pounds would you lose by the time the question of how long this piece of string is has been answered if you were swimming butterfly rather than freestyle while packing only a .22 but backed up by Charles Bronson on a train?

[Anthony W.]

Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

But if those 10pounds were converted to metric and were liquid weight then how many more pounds would you lose by the time the question of how long this piece of string is has been answered if you were swimming butterfly rather than freestyle while packing only a .22 but backed up by Charles Bronson on a train?

I can answer that when I'm not busy. Be on later - I'm researching engine fuel delivery systems.

[Morts]

I can answer that when I'm not busy. Be on later - I'm researching engine fuel delivery systems.
sure you are :up:

[Feuer Frei!]

This thread is like the US Debt ceiling.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

http://memedepot.com/uploads/500/687_goingplaces.jpg

[Anthony W.]

sure you are :up:

I was actually trying to decide which high performance fuel pump to get

[Tribesman]

:har::har::har::har::har:

[Betonov]

You don't need a fuel pump. My cars fuel pump broke down a year and a half ago. I just mounted the fuel tank on top of the roof, no fuel pump needed :DL

[Stealhead]

I was actually trying to decide which high performance fuel pump to get


That is rather basic research.Real research would be the academic kind like a paper I assume they still back you write a paper in 11th and 12th grade or in college.For example I wrote a paper about strategy during the Vietnam War for a college course I took in the military.

Also I thought you needed a rifle er .44 to protect your tools in the barn from deadly pranksters so a high performance fuel pump is more vital to you than protecting your tools from thieves?What happens if they steal your tools and you dont have the .44 only the fuel pump?Maybe they know you from school and are planning to dash your plans of working on cars. Why not just buy a lock for your tool box(s) and keep them inside your house where they are going to be much more secure?You should also buy some motion sensing lighs and put those around the out side of the barn also why dont you have a few dogs that live with your horses? I have a mixed Lab and something and an Australian Sheppard that live with our horses those dogs never really leave the 2 acre area around my barn/stable and they discourage other animals as well as people from going into their turf.

[Anthony W.]

That is rather basic research.Real research would be the academic kind like a paper I assume they still back you write a paper in 11th and 12th grade or in college.For example I wrote a paper about strategy during the Vietnam War for a college course I took in the military.

Also I thought you needed a rifle er .44 to protect your tools in the barn from deadly pranksters so a high performance fuel pump is more vital to you than protecting your tools from thieves?What happens if they steal your tools and you dont have the .44 only the fuel pump?Maybe they know you from school and are planning to dash your plans of working on cars. Why not just buy a lock for your tool box(s) and keep them inside your house where they are going to be much more secure?You should also buy some motion sensing lighs and put those around the out side of the barn also why dont you have a few dogs that live with your horses? I have a mixed Lab and something and an Australian Sheppard that live with our horses those dogs never really leave the 2 acre area around my barn/stable and they discourage other animals as well as people from going into their turf.

I have money - plenty of it.

Either way I never said I was doing major research today - just minor stuff. I'm going with a GT500 pump and Kenne Bell BAP. The Roush R2300 supercharger demands the fuel system upgrade.

[Krauter]

I have money - plenty of it.

Either way I never said I was doing major research today - just minor stuff. I'm going with a GT500 pump and Kenne Bell BAP. The Roush R2300 supercharger demands the fuel system upgrade.

http://facepalm.delapalo.net/facepalm2.jpg

[Stealhead]

It sounds to me seeing as you are only 17 and supposedly have horses "in your name" and a Mustang that has a V-6 yet puts down 400 something hp(you claimed that in some post) that your parents have money and give it to you because there is no way a 17 year old person is going to make that amount of money by working the kinds of jobs available on top of that you have all the spare time to "do research" some of what you post is very hard to believe that is why you might notice others poking fun at your posts so often.

Trust me on this my folks gave me only food,room and board when I was in school.I wanted a car I had to work to get it not one penny was going to come from or dad.So I had to work pretty damn hard to be able to save up the money just to get a $1,000.00 car to drive in 10th,11th,and 12th grade(that is in 93 dollars mind you).There is no way that you can afford to feed several horses and pay for the vet bills and have a majorly supped up Mustang.Like Tribesman has said several times you dont seem very good at math and your claims show this.My wife and I own four horses and keep two more for others I know what it costs to keep livestock.


You do know that a Roush R2300 supercharger costs $5899.99 dollars you'd also need to to alot more to your engine than just swap out the fuel pump alot like sawp out your V6 for a V8 in my 5 minutes of searching I found that this package is only for a 2011-2012 5.0: http://www.roushperformance.com/mustang-supercharger-kits.shtml

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m567/donkeyyakov/facepalm.gif

not trying to put anyone on the spot but obvious is obvious


http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/vampgirl17/Danny%20Phantom/facepalm.gif

[Morts]

It sounds to me seeing as you are only 17 and supposedly have horses "in your name" and a Mustang that has a V-6 yet puts down 400 something hp(you claimed that in some post) that your parents have money and give it to you because there is no way a 17 year old person is going to make that amount of money by working the kinds of jobs available on top of that you have all the spare time to "do research" some of what you post is very hard to believe that is why you might notice others poking fun at your posts so often.

Trust me on this my folks gave me only food,room and board when I was in school.I wanted a car I had to work to get it not one penny was going to come from or dad.So I had to work pretty damn hard to be able to save up the money just to get a $1,000.00 car to drive in 10th,11th,and 12th grade(that is in 93 dollars mind you).There is no way that you can afford to feed several horses and pay for the vet bills and have a majorly supped up Mustang.Like Tribesman has said several times you dont seem very good at math and your claims show this.My wife and I own four horses and keep two more for others I know what it costs to keep livestock.


You do know that a Roush R2300 supercharger costs $5899.99 dollars.The only way you can afford such things at your age is by being a drug dealer or by getting the money from your parents.
QFT

[Stealhead]

I am not trying to be harsh on you Anthony you seem like a pretty good person and you do seem to enjoy chatting with people on subsim.

Just try being yourself instead of what you think sounds impressive to other subsim members.You yourself admitted in this very thread that you "sort of" where posting some times just to get Captain due to post count rank.Try the four word story thread you can get tons of posts in that thread and it is hilarious I am surprised that more guys dont post in that thread just follow the rule which is that you can not post and then post immediately after(someone else has to post after you before you can again.) http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162766&page=972

[Anthony W.]

It sounds to me seeing as you are only 17 and supposedly have horses "in your name" and a Mustang that has a V-6 yet puts down 400 something hp(you claimed that in some post) that your parents have money and give it to you because there is no way a 17 year old person is going to make that amount of money by working the kinds of jobs available on top of that you have all the spare time to "do research" some of what you post is very hard to believe that is why you might notice others poking fun at your posts so often.

Trust me on this my folks gave me only food,room and board when I was in school.I wanted a car I had to work to get it not one penny was going to come from or dad.So I had to work pretty damn hard to be able to save up the money just to get a $1,000.00 car to drive in 10th,11th,and 12th grade(that is in 93 dollars mind you).There is no way that you can afford to feed several horses and pay for the vet bills and have a majorly supped up Mustang.Like Tribesman has said several times you dont seem very good at math and your claims show this.My wife and I own four horses and keep two more for others I know what it costs to keep livestock.


You do know that a Roush R2300 supercharger costs $5899.99 dollars you'd also need to to alot more to your engine than just swap out the fuel pump alot like sawp out your V6 for a V8 in my 5 minutes of searching I found that this package is only for a 2011-2012 5.0: http://www.roushperformance.com/mustang-supercharger-kits.shtml

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m567/donkeyyakov/facepalm.gif

not trying to put anyone on the spot but obvious is obvious


http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/vampgirl17/Danny%20Phantom/facepalm.gif

I know exactly how much my project will cost. I'm ditching the 6 at the end of September/October for a GT manual base package.

Want to know how I got the money for it? Inheritance. Recently. I'm building the car.

And why the bloody hell are people still posting on this - now my longest thread ever???

[Feuer Frei!]

And why the bloody hell are people still posting on this -
It's an awesome way for everyone to get their post counts up, that's why! :haha:

[Anthony W.]

It's an awesome way for everyone to get their post counts up, that's why! :haha:

I have found the meaning of life.

:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

If that were true your post count would have stopped at 42.

[Anthony W.]

If that were true your post count would have stopped at 42.

Ehh... I do know MY meaning of life. I just need to find a good way to carry that out.

[antikristuseke]

If that were true your post count would have stopped at 42.

No Steve, for that he would had to have discovered the answer to life, universe and everything. He just found the meaning of life.

[Tribesman]

And why the bloody hell are people still posting on this
To see how much deeper you will dig your hole:rotfl2:

some of what you post is very hard to believe that is why you might notice others poking fun at your posts so often.
Some?
The problem there Stealhead is that he has posted so much that is simply bull (often ridiculously obvious bull) that it is hard to believe anything he posts.

[frau kaleun]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2168629170487&set=a.2144023715366.185016.1089427425&type=1&theater

only a 12 incher. but there some pics of bigger ones in that album

I can't see the page cuz I don't have a Facebook!!! :wah:


Wait, it's just fish?





Never mind.

[Lord Justice]

It's an awesome way for everyone to get their post counts up, that's why! :haha:Hmm... As long as they are of relevance and in good order ! ;)

[Feuer Frei!]

Hmm... As long as they are of relevance and in good order ! ;)
They always are Steven, like this one for example:
Congrats on 500 posts! :DL:woot:

[krashkart]

On-topic:

I probably wouldn't go for much more than a .38 for defense. I'm not a very big guy so I would imagine that a magnum would be too cumbersome for me. Truth be told I'm not sure what I would do under the circumstances where I would need one. Would I hesitate? Where would the weapon end up then?

For long arms I would recommend a big gnarly stick. Maple and ash are good for that, or even a small cocobola club if you don't mind burning up some carbide. But any ol' stick should do long as it isn't too dry. :D

EDIT:

Alternatively, you could always ask Frau K really nicely if she could keep an eye on the place while you sleep:

http://24hourstomidnight.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/alie26.jpg

Obligatory at this point:

+1 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=258&pictureid=2293

[Krauter]

Some?
The problem there Stealhead is that he has posted so much that is simply bull (often ridiculously obvious bull) that it is hard to believe anything he posts.

:yep:

[Stealhead]

Well I was trying not to kick him right in balls....but yeah one can not trust anything he posts as being true or honest because he contradicts himself so often.

For example he received inheritance yet forgot that the he posted in recent past how he needed to work "several" jobs to be able to first buy a new car (he was going to sell that Mustang) then fix up his Mustang I guess he is very fickle.

I hope that he is not like this all the time as behaving as he does will not do him any good in what he claims to want to do if that is true which was to join the Air Force a place where fibbers will not do very well because their integrity will be questionable he seems to want to fly planes at some point which will be very hard with his evident behavior as an enlisted man must be an outstanding standout(in good ways) to be offered a chance to become an officer.Also he will need to improve his math and memory skills as well.

I was really trying to give him some kind advice before and he then responded with the inheritance of money claim which clear as a bell shows that he continues his behavior.

[MH]

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/Tac223_photos/1176951240041.jpg

[Tribesman]

Well I was trying not to kick him right in balls....
In truth he does that himself, kinda like this fella

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=185732

All I am doing is pressing replay and watching A/W doing it to himself again and again.

[frau kaleun]

In truth he does that himself, kinda like this fella

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=185732

All I am doing is pressing replay and watching A/W doing it to himself again and again.


Yeah but that guy got a lot of help from all those posts.




Oh, wait... :O:

[Krauter]

Yeah but that guy got a lot of help from all those posts.




Oh, wait... :O:

Haaa...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/stoneth/252586ca.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

Haaa...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/stoneth/252586ca.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3726/24b93c0e93d9470ab4f271devd.jpg

[frau kaleun]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3726/24b93c0e93d9470ab4f271devd.jpg

This reminds me, we totally need a LolBoot thread. :D

[TLAM Strike]

This reminds me, we totally need a LolBoot thread. :D

I love it! :yeah:

Do you want the honor? :salute:

[antikristuseke]

http://i55.tinypic.com/ae0bqf.jpg

[frau kaleun]

I love it! :yeah:

Do you want the honor? :salute:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=185780 :D

[Herr-Berbunch]

Even if you're a big lottery winner, the European side of this site (I think) won't respect bragging of 17 yo with nice new car, horses and land. I know some Americans are rumoured to talk more openly about how much they earn, etc., but not here they don't.

Just be yourself, we don't need to know all the little details. You want advice from us, you got it. If you just want somewhere to brag, look elsewhere.

I hope you stick around :yep:

[Paul Riley]

I'd have an MP5 if I could own a gun.Blow the f##### away SAS style! :arrgh!:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I'd have an MP5 if I could own a gun.Blow the f##### away SAS style! :arrgh!:

I have an MP3.





Dancing Queen by Abba! :yep:

[Hottentot]

Even if you're a big lottery winner, the European side of this site (I think) won't respect bragging of 17 yo with nice new car, horses and land. I know some Americans are rumoured to talk more openly about how much they earn, etc., but not here they don't.

And don't tell anyone...but it's because of socialism :shifty:

[Paul Riley]

I have an MP3.





Dancing Queen by Abba! :yep:

Nice (MP3)
I assume you live in the UK,how on earth do you own a gun? our country is so lame you cant even fight back against burglers for fear of injuring THEM :o

[Paul Riley]

OMG,you got me! an MP3 player! :damn::oops:

[Herr-Berbunch]

OMG,you got me! an MP3 player! :damn::oops:

:har::har::har::har::har: Cheers, easy!

[Paul Riley]

:har::har::har::har::har: Cheers, easy!

Cant believe I fell for that one,a cheap shot below the belt :03:

[Krauter]

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3726/24b93c0e93d9470ab4f271devd.jpg


http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/political-pictures-al-gore-internet.jpg

[Anthony W.]

Did you all hear about the guy that broke into a house and locked himself in the garage for 3 weeks (family was on vacation), then sued for something like 3mil when they got back, and he won?

[razark]

Did you all hear about the guy that broke into a house and locked himself in the garage for 3 weeks (family was on vacation), then sued for something like 3mil when they got back, and he won?
It's an urban legend.

[Anthony W.]

It's an urban legend.

Ohhhhh...

Well then here's something almost as stupid but still funny as hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8d1kIn4nl0&feature=related

[Krauter]

Soo... is this thread officially gone bonkers?...

[Tribesman]

Soo... is this thread officially gone bonkers?...
I think the thread was bonkers from the oedipus moment in the first post.
Unless of course the schoolboy was talking about pillow problems with his "woman" who wasn't his mother:har::har::har::har::har:

[Sailor Steve]

Not funny, and not appropriate. No matter what you think of another member, that's uncalled for.

[Krauter]

Out of taste :nope:

[Tribesman]

Not funny
Yes, funny.
His use of "the woman" leaves him open to the joke.

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, funny.
Only to someone who looks down on everybody else.

[Tribesman]

Only to someone who looks down on everybody else.
So John Cleese finds it funny but not anyone else.

[Growler]

So John Cleese finds it funny but not anyone else.

Cleese is a professional comedian, and I don't think he's laughing at this particular instance.