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Gerald
07-11-11, 02:22 PM
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WHAT could be more eternal than sexuality? The fog of longing, the obsession with the loved one’s voice, smell, touch. Sex is discombobulating and distracting, it makes you immune to money, politics and family. And sometimes I think the younger generation wants to give it up.

People always ask me what happened to sex since “Fear of Flying.” While editing an anthology of women’s sexual writing called “Sugar in My Bowl” last year, I was fascinated to see, among younger women, a nostalgia for ’50s-era attitudes toward sexuality. The older writers in my anthology are raunchier than the younger writers. The younger writers are obsessed with motherhood and monogamy.

It makes sense. Daughters always want to be different from their mothers. If their mothers discovered free sex, then they want to rediscover monogamy. My daughter, Molly Jong-Fast, who is in her mid-30s, wrote an essay called “They Had Sex So I Didn’t Have To.” Her friend Julie Klam wrote “Let’s Not Talk About Sex.” The novelist Elisa Albert said: “Sex is overexposed. It needs to take a vacation, turn off its phone, get off the grid.” Meg Wolitzer, author of “The Uncoupling,” a fictional retelling of “Lysistrata,” described “a kind of background chatter about women losing interest in sex.” Min Jin Lee, a contributor to the anthology, suggested that “for cosmopolitan singles, sex with intimacy appears to be neither the norm nor the objective.”

Generalizing about cultural trends is tricky, but everywhere there are signs that sex has lost its frisson of freedom. Is sex less piquant when it is not forbidden? Sex itself may not be dead, but it seems sexual passion is on life support.

The Internet obliges by offering simulated sex without intimacy, without identity and without fear of infection. Risky behavior can be devoid of risk — unless of course you use your real name and are an elected official.

Not only did we fail to corrupt our daughters, but we gave them a sterile way to have sex, electronically. Clearly the lure of Internet sex is the lack of involvement. We want to keep the chaos of sex trapped in a device we think we can control.

Just as the watchword of my generation was freedom, that of my daughter’s generation seems to be control. Is this just the predictable swing of the pendulum or a new passion for order in an ever more chaotic world? A little of both. We idealized open marriage; our daughters are back to idealizing monogamy. We were unable to extinguish the lust for propriety.

Punishing the sexual woman is a hoary, antique meme found from “Jane Eyre” to “The Scarlet Letter” to “Sex and the City,” where the lustiest woman ended up with breast cancer. Sex for women is dangerous. Sex for women leads to madness in attics, cancer and death by fire. Better to soul cycle and write cookbooks. Better to give up men and sleep with one’s children. Better to wear one’s baby in a man-distancing sling and breast-feed at all hours so your mate knows your breasts don’t belong to him. Our current orgy of multiple maternity does indeed leave little room for sexuality. With children in your bed, is there any space for sexual passion? The question lingers in the air, unanswered.

Does this mean there are no sexual taboos left? Not really. Sex between older people is the new unmentionable, the thing that makes our kids yell, “Ewww — gross!” You won’t find many movies or TV shows about 70-year-olds falling in love, though they may be doing it in real life.

The backlash against sex has lasted longer than the sexual revolution itself. Both birth control and abortion are under attack in many states. Women’s health care is considered expendable in budgetary negotiations. And the right wing only wants to champion unborn children. (Those already born are presumed able to fend for themselves.)

Lust for control fuels our current obsession with the deficit, our rejection of passion, our undoing of women’s rights. How far will we go in destroying women’s equality before a new generation of feminists wakes up? This time we hope those feminists will be of both genders and that men will understand how much equality benefits them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/opinion/sunday/10sex.html?src=me&ref=general


Note: July 9, 2011

the_tyrant
07-11-11, 02:33 PM
:wah::wah:

Well Vendor, at least you enjoyed it when it was plentiful

Growler
07-11-11, 02:37 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about sex until it's as common on American (broadcast, not cable) TV as violence.

Osmium Steele
07-11-11, 02:41 PM
Ah yes, the insular world of the New York liberal.

"How could George Bush have won? I don't know anyone who voted for him?"

Betonov
07-11-11, 02:42 PM
sex, what is this sex people always talk about. Is it like playing chess ??

Gerald
07-11-11, 02:46 PM
:wah::wah:

Well Vendor, at least you enjoyed it when it was plentiful The whole world is full of girls, it is said :DL

frau kaleun
07-11-11, 02:48 PM
OMG the wimmins be havin' not enough sexytime! Or they be havin' too much sexytime! Or not enough partners! Or too many partners! Or not enough bebbehs! Or too many bebbehs! WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

In the end it doesn't matter, since part of being a female human being is knowing that no matter what choice you make, it will still be wrong.

Sailor Steve
07-11-11, 02:50 PM
LULZ. I'm a male-type person, and everything I do is wrong. Ask anybody, especially the womenfolk I've known. :O:

krashkart
07-11-11, 02:51 PM
sex, what is this sex people always talk about. Is it like playing chess ??

It's the German word for the number six. :know:

Jimbuna
07-11-11, 03:50 PM
LULZ. I'm a male-type person, and everything I do is wrong. Ask anybody, especially the womenfolk I've known. :O:

We must have or have known the same women :o

Gerald
07-11-11, 03:51 PM
Make a toast...:()1:

Alex
07-11-11, 06:06 PM
All things considered, the fact that people appear not to make any difference any more between internet and real life **** wise makes much sense.
Planetary survival must depend, in fine, on the extinction of man, conceivably, on control of the birth rate.

Keep going, young people.

Anthony W.
07-11-11, 06:39 PM
Sex isn't dead for men. Commitment is.

Sex for women of the teenage generation is the new commitment. One girl I know (age 14) said "As long as I put out, he's with me, not someone else"

But that man in question (age 16) said "The longer she puts out, the easier it is to leave."

Gerald
07-11-11, 07:07 PM
These expressions can easily be said of the young ages, but as experience increases, it becomes a different tone in any discussion.

GoldenRivet
07-11-11, 07:53 PM
Not a chance.

I've been so oversexed the past 4 weeks im shootin' powder over here.

Passé?

LULZ






dont tell my wife

Gerald
07-11-11, 07:56 PM
:haha:

gimpy117
07-11-11, 07:57 PM
Sex isn't dead for men. Commitment is.

Sex for women of the teenage generation is the new commitment. One girl I know (age 14) said "As long as I put out, he's with me, not someone else"

But that man in question (age 16) said "The longer she puts out, the easier it is to leave."

Ill express the opposite where I know more than a few women, especially the younger ones, who think that they ought to be able to have a relationship with a man...but with no intimacy in that regard. they do however expect faithfulness and all the other normal trappings.

frau kaleun
07-11-11, 08:18 PM
But that man in question (age 16) said "The longer she puts out, the easier it is to leave."

Ill express the opposite where I know more than a few women, especially the younger ones, who think that they ought to be able to have a relationship with a man...but with no intimacy in that regard.

The idea that sex is a commodity that should not be given away, otherwise it loses its value, has been around for a long time. It's expressed very succintly in the old chestnut, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free."

Obviously it's one very unfortunate aspect of human relations that is still very much with us.

That said, I think part of the problem - especially with the very young - is that a lot of people don't really know what they want, whether it's sex, love, commitment, freedom from commitment, or a little bit of everything. They believe they want one thing - either sincerely, or because it's what they've been taught they're supposed to want - and then find out it isn't what they want at all, or not want they want with the other person involved. In longterm relationships they may want it at first but... hey, guess what, people change. And they don't always change in ways that keep them compatible with each other.

In some cases they want one thing but pretend to want something else in order to get something from another person that they couldn't get in any other way. And it works that way for both sexes, not just one or the other. People promise or imply a commitment to get sex, or they use sex in an attempt to create or force a commitment. Sometimes it's not just about sex - some people want the benefits of another person's commitment to them (which are not all sexual) but are unwilling to accept the responsibility of making the same commitment in return.

People are complicated, and when it comes to love and sex we've all had so much conditioning that is actually detrimental to healthy, equality-based relationships that it's a miracle that any of us make a reasonable success of them at all.

Jimbuna
07-12-11, 02:45 AM
People are complicated, and when it comes to love and sex we've all had so much conditioning that is actually detrimental to healthy, equality-based relationships that it's a miracle that any of us make a reasonable success of them at all.

Aye that :yep: