ATI Clock settings - CCC - Help!!

[Reece]

This is driving me insane, a whole day and I'm back to start!:damn:
First off I installed latest driver and Tray Tools, only to discover that the fan speed is no longer changeable even so I set it up and got the new 6850 card overclocking, not great but not bad:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/TrayToolsclocks.jpg
However I was still peeved with not being able to change the fan speed so I decided to uninstall Tray Tools and install the CCC, I can change the fan speed to manual but the clock speeds are crazy:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/CCCClocksatstart.jpg
Before I uninstalled Tray tools I made sure I set clocks back to default.
Why does it show current values at 300mhz especially on both?
Why doesn't it reflect the values above that have been applied?
Why does the memory for Tray Tools hover around 4,500mhz but the CCC is around 1050mhz?
This is very confusing!!!:doh::oops::hmmm:

[Jan Kyster]

Driver uses settings created by CCC, so it's not recommended not to install CCC.
Your CCC is an old version? You must use same versions...

Your clocks are 2D-clocks. Only when you enter 3D-mode will clocks speed up to your profile settings.

Stay away from Tray Tools btw... :shifty:


I would use the Uninstall All AMD Option in Add/Remove programs and do a fresh install of latest AMD driver and CCC.

[Reece]

Believe it or not that is version 11.6, installed from this file:
11-6_xp32_dd_ccc_ocl.exe from http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_xp-32.aspx
In device manager driver version for the card:

Driver Date 24/05/2011
Driver Version 8.861.0.0

I have since removed it, certainly there is something wrong because the functions are erratic!
All I am running at the moment is the latest driver (presumably) and Trixx.:hmmm:
I believe the card is functioning well it is just that fan control has changed and I'm getting confused between 2D and 3D clocks!!:oops:
Edit:
Re-installed it:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/CCCVersion.jpg
Maybe you are running Win 7 and is a lot different than XP.:hmmm:

[Jan Kyster]

Maybe you are running Win 7 and is a lot different than XP.:hmmm:That's it! :oops: Win 7 is completely different...

Btw. the 4200MHz mem speed is calculated effective mem speed (QDR RAM) = 1050 x 4 = 4200 MHz... kinda useless imho :D


If you like to OC, have a look at MSI Afterburner. Cool features, among other things a superior alternative to Fraps!

I think I read somewhere about issues with fan speed when OC'ing, but can't locate it... typical. Will report back, if I find it again.

[Reece]

If you like to OC, have a look at MSI AfterburnerYes I might have to try it, Trixx seems to work with custom and love this setting until you minimize Trixx, then it stops!! resore it and starts working again!!:doh:
I think there is a clash with CCC v11.6!:hmmm:

Edit:
Now MSI Afterburner seems to work well with the fan speed control and even able to monitor the core temperature on the task bar, but wouldn't you know it, the core voltage control doesn't work even though it is enabled in preferences! I might have to just live with lower OC speeds!:yep:

[Jan Kyster]

:hmmm: just curious, but how much exactly do you gain/loose with/without your OC compared to stock?

From what I've seen, I'm more leaning towards it's not really worth the hassle to OC the GPU(s)... am I right?

[Reece]

The default clock is 775mhz and the memory is 1000mhz when overclocked I can get 875/1175mhz, I have just found out that earlier versions of this card the voltage could be adjusted to 1.2v, this one is locked, can't be changed, I think it is 0.95v though Trixx says 1.175v! GPU-Z reports .95v though no monitoring shows.:hmmm: Rather disappointing since my decision to purchase this is on the recommendations of a review, that now seems to be an earlier version!:doh: It is better to buy the non OC version!:-?

[Arclight]

It is better to buy the non OC version!:-?
Always is: save the money and OC it yourself. ;)

Put the cash you save towards a fancy coolerperhaps.


This help? http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=146284

*nvm that I guess, thought you still had a clock problem.

[Reece]

The clock readout confusion was between 2D/3D, plus this card can't be overclocked much because the core voltage is set! But now I have a texture problem with Trainz!! Nothing ever goes straight up!!!:doh: Now if I had to guess I'd say that because I am using XP 32bit and the new card is 1Gb instead of 512Mb I'm running out of ram!!:damn:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/Trainzproblem.jpg

[HunterICX]

Was that already installed when you swapped the cards?
You might want to try to play with the video configuration like toggling between low and high and see if the texture problem still happens

also does the game have In-game AA and AF settings? if they do and you have them enabled make sure the ATI control panel is not overriding them with his own AA and AF settings, if they do toggle them back to Application default

HunterICX

[Arclight]

(About the voltage lock)
GIGABYTE ruined their AMD HD 6850 OC version by using a non-common Core voltage controller which has no software support, which means we're limited to stock voltage overclocking.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=678&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=12

[Reece]

(About the voltage lock)

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=678&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=12
Oh if only I had seen this earlier, one of the most important things I do is check reviews, and the one I read said excellent overclocking able to set the voltage to 1.299, but that was an older version of the card, I have to put up with this one the way it is, still it is not bad overclocked and certainly runs cool!:yep:

Was that already installed when you swapped the cards?
You might want to try to play with the video configuration like toggling between low and high and see if the texture problem still happens

also does the game have In-game AA and AF settings? if they do and you have them enabled make sure the ATI control panel is not overriding them with his own AA and AF settings, if they do toggle them back to Application default

HunterICX
You may have hit the nail on the head!! Never thought of that, I will do some tests!:yep:

[Reece]

You were correct Wim!! I changed to OpenGL and the problem was gone, I have CCC AA set to environment rather than Application controlled for games such as SH3, I will change this back then try again Trainz with DirectX!:yep:
Hope there is an improvement because the new card still jerks around, maybe one of the following problems::doh:
1) Upgrade from Win XP 32bit to Win 7 64 bit and up the ram to 8Gb
2) Upgrade the CPU from dual core Phenom II to 4 core!

[Reece]

Well that is a poo!! OpenGL works with poor frame rates, DirectX has better fraps but the texture problem is still there regardless of changing the CCC settings to application controlled!!:damn:

[Gerald]

Reece,your device drivers up-to-date :hmmm:

[Reece]

Yes latest (11.6), might try old drivers that came with the card!:hmmm:

[Gerald]

Yes latest (11.6), might try old drivers that came with the card!:hmmm: Wise ... it's not always that new drivers are best, :yep:

[Jan Kyster]

...now I have a texture problem with Trainz!! ...I am using XP 32bit and the new card is 1Gb instead of 512Mb I'm running out of ram!!:damn:Two quotes for inspiration...

- the problem is coming from CMP and your video card corrupting the textures while they are being compressed and mipped. Turn off hardware accelerated compression in your CMP settings

- open your "Option" settings and turn your Texture Passes to maximum

1) Upgrade from Win XP 32bit to Win 7 64 bit and up the ram to 8Gb
2) Upgrade the CPU from dual core Phenom II to 4 core!Two brilliant ideas! Everything above 6 GB really makes Win 7 take off :rock:

[Reece]

Yes Win 7 is a future job, will cost more money and even more patience!!:D
Don't understand CMP, is this another Win 7 thing?:hmmm: If you mean CCC I removed it then rebooted and the problem is gone! Not sure where to go from here!:hmmm:
Edit:
Now this is is also strange, I downloaded the latest Trixx and ran GPU-Z, before the voltage in GPU-Z showed only .94 now it reflects the voltage shown in Trixx (1.150) surely this proves that the voltage can at least be set to this!:hmmm:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/6850OCat1150v.jpg

[Reece]

I just found out from Gigabyte that the core voltage is set at 1.150 and cannot be changed.:stare::doh:

[Arclight]

Myeah... is it really nescesary? Didn't know you were such an overclocker.

Running a few things overclocked myself, but voltages are all default.


I guess the voltage GPU-Z gave you previously was in 2D/power-saving.


btw upgrading RAM beyond 4GB won't make a lick of difference for gaming, not unless the OS is using over 2GB (in which case I'd say there's something wrong with your OS). Better to focus on the CPU if you feel like upgrading.

[Matt86]

You MIGHT be able to change the core voltage by flashing a modified bios (RBE). Is potentially risky though and catastophic failure will void warrantee...

I've had a lot of luck overclocking at stock voltage - 950MHz on the core at stock; although I think 900MHz is more the norm. Definately gives a decent performance boost.

[Arclight]

Thought about that too, but aparently the voltage regulator on it doesn't support it at all. Flashing a BIOS from a card with a different controller would likely brick it altogether.

[Reece]

Yes I've decided that I'm happy enough as it is, I was more upset with Gigabyte blocking it after they approved the review that influenced my decision to buy - it's the principal of the matter!!:yep:
Just doing some tweaking now, the only problem is I can't use the CCC as this causes DirectX problems in Trainz, so I'm using third party apps to do the job!:hmmm:

[HunterICX]

I've red that people tried that in BIOS with that Gigabyte 6850 card and didn't work and only managed to do harm then good...so it's not worth a risk.

that card has the core voltage locked, but if you ask me the last thing I want to temper with is the voltage of a GPU especially while still in warranty.

Reece,
could you post a screenshot of the CCC 3D panel with all the settings?
and have the sliders/settings put the way you've tried it with Trainz.

HunterICX

[Reece]

I don't have it installed anymore, I could disable the third party apps and reinstall CCC if you think it is worth it!:hmmm: I did set them all to application controlled or default settings.:oops: If it helps in the evaluation when I uninstalled it I checked and the devices CCC.exe and MOM.exe were removed from memory, I tried Trainz but fault was still there, I then rebooted and trainz worked!:-?

[Jan Kyster]

Don't understand CMP, is this another Win 7 thing? :hmmm:No, it's Content Manager Plus for Trainz and is accessible via the Trainz start-up launch screen.


Note re. RAM... I've been through every combo from 256 MB up to 8 GB and can assure you, that each and every step up will make everything snappier!
So don't listen to Arclight! http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/grinser.gif

[Reece]

No, it's Content Manager Plus for Trainz and is accessible via the Trainz start-up launch screen.
I thought you must have been referring to something entirely different, I couldn't see anything relevant to Trainz Content Manager, I assume you have Trainz? The train showing the fault is actually the "Blue Comet".:yep:

[Arclight]

Note re. RAM... I've been through every combo from 256 MB up to 8 GB and can assure you, that each and every step up will make everything snappier!
So don't listen to Arclight! http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/grinser.gif
In windows, multitasking. You know as well as I do that a game that will never use more than 2GB could never in a million years benefit from more than 4GB of RAM. :roll:

[Reece]

@ HunterICX, well it kept nagging at me so I decided to remove all third party apps and reinstall the CCC, without touching anything I ran the game and was still stuffed! So I went through the 3D settings changing and testing then I found it, or more so you found it!:oops: It was "Anti-Aliasing Mode" was set to "Multi-sample AA", I checked this by pressing Defaults and it slid back to "Performance" setting. I never deliberately set this so it was either from a third part app, accident, or register setting from previous install but I doubt that since I always remove old ATI references before installing,:hmmm: so there you go, at least it all works again.:yeah:
Thanks Wim, and thanks to All for the superb help!:yep:

[HunterICX]

Yeah thought so it was the Anti-Aliasing mode that bugged you with the texture problem.

had some issues as well running some games with the mode put to Super Sampling.

glad to see it has been solved.

HunterICX