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Feuer Frei!
07-06-11, 12:46 AM
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/07/100329-N-1481K-293-USS-Independence-LCS-2-660x471.jpg

Austal, America’s newest warship-builder, is still scrambling to recover (http://www.austal.com/en/media/media-releases/11-06-20/corrosion-in-warships.aspx) from the late-June revelation that the USS Independence, the Littoral Combat Ship it just built for the U.S. Navy, is “aggressively” disintegrating (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates). (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates)
But the shipbuilder probably isn’t the only party at fault in the case of the disappearing warship. “I think this issue reflects poorly on the entire LCS and Navy acquisition process, rather than just Austal,” Eric Wertheim, author of the definitive Combat Fleets of the World (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159114955X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1591149347&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0MWPK8MA84M6TXN5XE00), told Danger Room.
The overall picture is one of poor planning, sloppy design and possible corporate infighting, and which has huge implications for the Navy as it struggles to build its future fleet.

The 418-foot-long Independence (pictured) is slowly disappearing due to a process known as “galvanic corrosion,” where electrical current passes through a join between two different metals — in this case aluminum and steel — causing one of them to break down at the molecular level. Independence will be spending some time in San Diego for repairs.
The Navy has systems (http://www.nrl.navy.mil/research/nrl-review/2004/featured-research/degiorgi/) for dealing with galvanic corrosion, but did not include them in Independence’s design. And early on neither Austal nor General Dynamics seemed terribly alarmed at the omission. It’s possible they planned to control corrosion with rigorous, post-delivery maintenance procedures.
The news of Independence’s corrosion, initially published by Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/navy-finds-aggressive-corrosion-on-austal-s-combat-ship-1-.html), could not have come at a worse time for Austal. The Australian-based shipbuilder was still getting established in the U.S. market while also lobbying to build copies of the lightweight vessels for Saudi Arabia — a deal that could be worth billions of dollars.


There had been plenty of skepticism (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/navys-new-warship-bargain-death-trap-or-both/) about Austal’s mostly-aluminum version of the LCS even before the Pentagon reported pockmarked metal around the steel engines of the brand-new Independence. The Navy has long preferred mostly steel warships over largely aluminum vessels. Aluminum is cheaper and lighter, but steel is more durable — and that can really matter on the high seas and in combat.
But as part of the late-’90s-early 2000s “transformation” craze, the Navy was eager to replace older ships with newer, supposedly cheaper ones. In the minds of some top admirals, that meant aluminum, regardless of that metal’s deficiencies. It also meant opening up the $15-billion-a-year U.S. warship market to foreign companies specializing in small, lightweight vessels. That was Austal’s cue to establish its American division.
In part to help pay for the aluminum ships, the sailing branch prematurely decommissioned dozens of steel warships that were still in the naval equivalent of middle-age. The drawdown had an unintended effect: it made the need for vessels so urgent that the Navy and shipbuilders might have felt pressure to cut corners on new designs and their construction. A whole generation of high-tech new ships — not just LCS — shows signs (http://www.informationdissemination.net/2007/07/lpd-17-program-is-it-drama-or-comedy.html) of sloppy planning (http://www.warisboring.com/2007/11/06/sloppy-work-jeopardizes-coastie-cutter/) and building (http://nextnavy.com/virginia-class-when-does-hull-coating-separation-endanger-the-boat/).


It didn’t have to be this way. Despite its relative inexperience with warship-building, Austal claims to have extensive expertise managing corrosion on the hundreds of aluminum ships it has built for civilian customers. Should the company have alerted the Navy about Independence’s design flaw?
Perhaps, but when? Austal and General Dynamics manufactured Independence as a team (http://www.gdlcs.com/media-center/press-releases/general-dynamics-littoral-combat-ship-team-delivers-independence-lcs-2-a), using Austal’s Mobile River facility. But once the ship entered Navy service, maintenance became General Dynamics’ sole responsibility. Then in early 2010, the two companies ended their partnership. And a few months later, the Navy settled on Austal and Lockheed (http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/11/ap-navy-lcs-plan-hurts-bath-bid-110910/) as the prime LCS builders, effectively barring General Dynamics from ever getting a piece of the small-warship pie.
Now, Austal might have spared itself some heartache by mentioning the corrosion issue earlier, even though it wasn’t solely the company’s fault or responsibility after all the corporate shuffling was said and done.
In any event, Austal seems determined to ensure that future LCSs don’t suffer Independence’s fate. “We are eager to move beyond short-term remediation and help the Navy, from the design stage on, apply the best practices in corrosion management to the entire Independence-variant LCS class,” Austal USA president Joseph Rella said.
Coronado, the next Austal-built ship, will get “new anti-corrosion surface treatments,” Austal spokesman Craig Hooper told Danger Room. And the vessel after that, Jackson, will be delivered along with “an array of tested corrosion-management tools and processes,” Rella said.


The major lessons? Take your time designing new ships, build them right and brace for corporate shenanigans. In the meantime, hold on to older vessels that are still working just fine, as insurance. And remember: aluminum corrodes when it touches steel.

SOURCE (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-for-disappearing-warship/#more-50779)

McBeck
07-06-11, 01:49 AM
Or do as Maersk....design inhouse and outsource building

Growler
07-06-11, 06:59 AM
OK, that's absurd.

A MAJOR shipbuilding corporation for a Federal contract that's been using steel ships for over a hundred years... needs to be reminded about galvanic corrosion?

Really?

It's only been, oh, at least that long that we were using bronze propellors on steel ships - and sailors have been battling THAT dissimilar metal corrosion ever since.

This is so far beyond patently absurd.

Rockstar
07-06-11, 07:09 AM
Galvanic corrosion is a problem on any boat. Heck I have to be watchful on a 44 foot fiberglass sailboat with my thru-hull fittings and propeller shaft.

As for the real cause IMHO

"The Australian-based shipbuilder was still getting established in the U.S. market while also lobbying to build copies of the lightweight vessels for Saudi Arabia — a deal that could be worth billions of dollars."

All this is, is somebody talking smack about someone else's product in order to get the contract for themselves. Find out who is bidding and I bet you'll be able to narrow down this news source.

Tribesman
07-06-11, 07:31 AM
It's only been, oh, at least that long that we were using bronze propellors on steel ships - and sailors have been battling THAT dissimilar metal corrosion ever since.

It goes right back as far as early wooden sailing ships.

Now forgive me if I am wrong but 30 years ago didn't the royal navy find that the "cheaper lighter" aluminium craft have very serious drawbacks when it comes to combat vessels

Osmium Steele
07-06-11, 07:32 AM
A warship that a jar of mercury paste could sink?

Not a good idea. :nope:

Growler
07-06-11, 07:33 AM
It goes right back as far as early wooden sailing ships.

Now forgive me if I am wrong but 30 years ago didn't the royal navy find that the "cheaper lighter" aluminium craft have very serious drawbacks when it comes to combat vessels


Hmm, indeed. HMS Sheffield, anyone? Better yet, Americans, take a look at USS Belknap (CG-26).

TLAM Strike
07-06-11, 07:46 AM
It goes right back as far as early wooden sailing ships.

Now forgive me if I am wrong but 30 years ago didn't the royal navy find that the "cheaper lighter" aluminium craft have very serious drawbacks when it comes to combat vessels
Yea the Type 21 "Amazon" class frigates. :yep:

Hmm, indeed. HMS Sheffield, anyone? Better yet, Americans, take a look at USS Belknap (CG-26).
HMS Sheffield was an all steel ship. ;)

Tribesman
07-06-11, 08:07 AM
HMS Sheffield was an all steel ship.
Yes the issues on other ships were the paint, insulation and of course cheap easy clean uniforms that not only burnt rather too well but stuck to the crew.

jumpy
07-06-11, 08:18 AM
lol

haven't they ever heard of Landrover?

The reaction between steel and aluminium is known to every bearer of the green oval.

Herr-Berbunch
07-06-11, 08:28 AM
Nice to see a floating tennis court, even if it is disintegrating :o

New balls please!

...rigorous, post-delivery maintenance scheme... Was that part of the initial contract or an add-on for yet mo money? Holes in your vessel, sir? You must be misusing it, that'll be another $15m, please. :damn:

Growler
07-06-11, 09:21 AM
Yea the Type 21 "Amazon" class frigates. :yep:


HMS Sheffield was an all steel ship. ;)

My point was badly worded and poorly made; you are correct. My intent was more towards expressing the flammability of warships, steel (Sheffield) and aluminum (Belknap); Sheffield was done by an SSM (Exocet, iirc), so there is the combat result, where Belknap was nearly done by a collision at sea with John F Kennedy, and that aluminum superstructure burnt nearly completely to the deck.

And as a testimony to damage control efforts, seven fatalities in Belknap's crew after what must have been a horrific event is remarkable.

Tchocky
07-06-11, 01:11 PM
This whole program (LCS) has been an unmitigated disaster since the beginning.

I can't even see the need for the ships in the first place. Yes the Navy needs modern warships, but why do they want basically unarmed ones?

Osmium Steele
07-06-11, 01:44 PM
Austal USA President Joe Rella said his company will use new anti-corrosion coating material on the LCS under construction now.
In addition, he said, Austal has been working with the Navy to design the long-term solution -- an impressed current cathodic protection system that will both monitor the electrochemical reactions taking place in the propulsion area and supply an electrical current to suppress the corrosion process.
Austal uses such a system on its large Westpac Express ferry, which the U.S. Marine Corps uses as a transport ship. The system will be added to Independence next year and to Coronado before it is launched, Johnson said.

http://blog.al.com/press-register-business/2011/07/lcs_corrosion_no_serious_probl.html

sidslotm
07-06-11, 02:08 PM
I recon they needed some WD40

Snestorm
07-06-11, 07:32 PM
Can the US econimy realy afford to outsourse the buildiing of nabal vessels abroad?
Considering that USA is leading the pack, as a debtor nation, I would hardly think sending US "promisary notes" abroad would be anything but destructive.

Maybe they can outsourse to the chinese, like the other former american (now international) corporations do?!?!

No insult intended but, it looks like USA's superpower status (firstly economic, which must be followed militarily) is in a fast state of decline.

The writing on the wall is not good.

Osmium Steele
07-07-11, 07:44 AM
Can the US econimy realy afford to outsourse the buildiing of nabal vessels abroad?
Considering that USA is leading the pack, as a debtor nation, I would hardly think sending US "promisary notes" abroad would be anything but destructive.

Actually, the ships are built in the US. Austal developed an american affiliate specifically for this ship. The aluminum almost certainly comes from the US, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the steel coming from overseas, or more likely Canada.

You've piqued my interest on that point. Time to do some research.

As to the last half of your post, welcome to the club. Many of us on this side of the pond have been saying this for years. Though I am not as pessimistic as I was even a few months ago.