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Feuer Frei!
06-22-11, 08:32 PM
The biggest news out of President Obamas Afghanistan speech isnt the 10,000 troops hes withdrawing this year. Its what Obama will and wont do with the forces hes leaving behind. Namely: the president wont send the remainder of the surge troops into eastern Afghanistan, which has become the countrys most buck-wild region. Its part of a new attempt to put the uniformed military on a much tighter leash than it had in Afghanistan or Iraq. Welcome a new phase of the war, micromanaged from the White House, and heavy on the killer robots.
Heres what the wars going to look like instead from July 2011 to 2014, when the Afghans are supposed to take over combat: drones, drones, training Afghans, commando raids, and drones. The military build on its momentum in the southern provinces of Helmand and Kandahar, Obama aides say. But outside of that, this is going to be a counterterrorism strategy with a lot of troops.

The next fighting season is going to be about consolidating gains, not necessarily moving to other parts of the country, a senior administration official who would only speak on background tells Danger Room. And its going to be about transitioning and partnering, not necessarily the U.S. and ISAF [NATO's International Security Assistance Force] bearing the brunt of the burden.
Thats a big pushback against a move the military wanted to make back into eastern Afghanistan, the central front of the war until 2009. Last week, the Washington Post confidently reported that the military command was eyeing the east next (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/focus-of-afghan-war-is-shifting-eastward/2011/06/09/AGvC4KUH_story.html). Not if the White House has anything to say about it.
Eastern Afghanistan didnt enjoy the fruits of either of Obamas troop surges. While Generals Stanley McChrystal and David Petraeus focused on southern Afghanistan, al-Qaidas allies in the Haqqani Network, based over the Pakistani border in North Waziristan, drove up violence in the east, as Danger Rooms David Axe personally experienced this spring (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/blown-to-hell/all/1). There were nearly 900 insurgent attacks in March 2011 (http://www.defense.gov/pubs/pdfs/Report_Final_SecDef_04_26_10.pdf), nearly double the assaults in March 2010 (http://www.defense.gov/news/1231rpt.pdf).
The east is clearly the most dangerous part of the country now, says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, a former Afghanistan commander.

But it wont be mass numbers of troops wholl confront it. Itll be flying robots and commandos. We have a capability in the east to target the Taliban and the Haqqani [Network] in the east, the official says. That is: drones and Special Operations Forces. The war in eastern Afghanistan will resemble the war in Pakistan.
Gen. John Allen, whom Obama tapped to command the war, better know what hes in for. Hell have a degree of flexibility over how to cut 10,000 troops this year and 23,000 by September 2012. (Why, thats right in time for an election!) But Obama pointedly did not say in his speech that withdrawals will proceed as conditions on the ground merit his allowance to Petraeus for preparing for the initial withdrawals, as well as to his commanders in Iraq.


MORE HERE (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/obama-wont-use-troops-to-save-afghan-hellhole-drones-maybe/)

the_tyrant
06-22-11, 08:42 PM
now the problem is, where is the money in Afghanistan?

Bakkels
06-22-11, 08:53 PM
And the question is, why are there troops in Afghanistan?
It doesn't do anyone any good. Not the Afghans, not the US, not the rest of the world. It just seems pretty pointless to me.
I don't know if anybody even knows this, but in the 60 s, Afghanistan was a relatively modern society. With women walking around in skirts and everything.
But at a certain point, it got involved in the interests of more powerful nations.

Also, call me a woosh, but calling Afghanistan a hellhole is kind of disrespectful imo. What, they're all fundamentalist terrorists? The large majority if Afghans don't give a flip about our political games and have no idea what the big deal is. At a certain point you can't blame them for being pissed off at foreign armies occupying their country. Yes, there are Taliban and terrorists there, but there are also a lot of people just trying to get by. And a vast majority at that. They don't give a toss about global politics, yet they suffer the consequences.

Feuer Frei!
06-22-11, 10:19 PM
@ Bakkels:
I'm certain that they were not attempting to be disrespectful to Afghans, or their customs.
I think purely from a geographical point of view, and with what's going on over there atm, the terminology of hellhole is a bit crude, i admit.
That's reporting for you though. Shock value.

Hawk66
06-23-11, 06:22 AM
Have to say, I've supported the mission in Afghanistan until last year but there seems to be no substantial progress.

Now two of the two main nations, which were commited to Afghanistan (US/Germany) will more or less leave the country in a couple of years.

Then, I guess, unfortunately for the Afghans, they will have a similar situation like before 9/11.

The question for me is, how will such people ever get a chance to break free? I do not mean that they adapt Western lifestyle 1:1 but that the people can determine their life by themselves and not by following crazy religious fanatics.

MH
06-23-11, 09:29 AM
.............. What, they're all fundamentalist terrorists? The large majority if Afghans don't give a flip about our political games and have no idea what the big deal is. At a certain point you can't blame them for being pissed off at foreign armies occupying their country. Yes, there are Taliban and terrorists there, but there are also a lot of people just trying to get by. And a vast majority at that. They don't give a toss about global politics, yet they suffer the consequences.

Even if that's true at the and what matters is if this can be turned into reality.
In this type of places its much easier to swing general population toward Taliban way than western ways because it more natural stance culturally.
Its sort of like being a bit more religious or total heretic-just for example
I'm talking about all every day aspects of life...
So Taliban comes and wants you to be a bit more this or that or they kill you then you have westerners who try to teach you to go totally against your cultural heritage.

If Americans can find good way to get out they should get the hell out.

Armistead
06-23-11, 10:39 AM
The fact we're still there shows we never had a exit plan from the beginning, but a nation buildng plan. We will never make a western democracy there, time to get out. They'll go back to killing each other for another decade or morre.

MH
06-23-11, 05:19 PM
The fact we're still there shows we never had a exit plan from the beginning, but a nation buildng plan. We will never make a western democracy there, time to get out. They'll go back to killing each other for another decade or morre.

Fact is that USA lost the war.
Funny thing is that Obama is having talks with Taliban while admitting that he has lost.
Maybe he tries to promise them something more than any of the neighbouring countries can?
Iranians must be having Arak party while smoking Afghan pot:D

Platapus
06-23-11, 06:52 PM
Other than the TAP pipeline, there is nothing in AF worth a single American life.

Personally I would not risk any American lives for TAP either.