To Bail or Not to Bail Greece Out (merged)

[yubba]

Our nutty government is considering bailing Greece out when we are broke. I say let them swirl in their own red ink, and it will educate all these fiscal boneheads, what's about too happen. Socialism is a greek tragedy, it's great until you run out of other peoples money.

[yubba]

Why, yes we can bail you out, let me find my crayon and I'll write you a check.
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[AVGWarhawk]

Not sensing the love here. :hmmm:

[HunterICX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6bk5S2_Zc&feature=related

HunterICX

[Hottentot]

Larks' tongues! Otters' noses! Ocelot spleens! No charge whatsoever, we here in socialist Europe believe in sharing! Larks' tongues! Otters' noses! Ocelot spleens!

[yubba]

No, hate here just a lot of dissappointment, loss of faith, dissatisfaction and disbelief in this government. Get back with me when your belly button is rubbing your backbone and then you can tell me how great this government is. Sounds tastey think I'll go out and look for some road kill.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, hate here just a lot of dissappointment, loss of faith, dissatisfaction and disbelief in this government.


The government seems to do this no matter who is at the helm. :03:


Get back with me when your belly button is rubbing your backbone and then you can tell me how great this government is.


I will never tell you how 'great' the government is. Simply put, it is not great. It is not even medicre.


Sounds tastey think I'll go out and look for some road kill.



I recommend major highways.

[Gerald]

The fact that Greece has ended up there today, partly due to purely fiscal reasons, thus the government has let people go in retired between 50-55 years of age, and thus lost so many thousands of billions in unpaid taxes,....a stupid act....Greece's main income has been tourism, so go there now, before they go bankrupt.

[yubba]

can't believe you let me go on, as I misspelled crayon:doh: Seen a box turtle hit down the street a couple of days ago wonder if it's there , mmmmmmmm.http://storyballoon.org/wp-content/uploads/Obama-mad-magazine-cover-249x322.jpgm florida sundried turtle jerkie

[Oberon]

http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mccarthyism-for-dummies1.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

can't believe you let me go on, as I misspelled crayon:doh: Seen a box turtle hit down the street a couple of days ago wonder if it's there , mmmmmmmm.http://storyballoon.org/wp-content/uploads/Obama-mad-magazine-cover-249x322.jpgm florida sundried turtle jerkie

Tasty is misspelled as well. Jerkie is 'jerky.' But hey, who is counting? I misspell crap all day long. Google is great for spell checking.

[yubba]

Why, yes we can bail you out, let me find my crayon and I'll write you a check.
.http://storyballoon.org/wp-content/uploads/Obama-mad-magazine-cover-249x322.jpg yes we can lean forward it won't hurt much.

[HunterICX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3My4MHr51c&feature=related

HunterICX

[Jimbuna]

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[MH]

yes we can lean forward it won't hurt much.

A pic for you lol

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0903/yes-yes-you-did-politics-congress-obama-president-marxist-ta-demotivational-poster-1237611103.jpg (http://www.motifake.com/yes-yes-you-did-politics-congress-obama-president-marxist-ta-demotivational-posters-49963.html)

[yubba]

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har: :har::har:that's too much

[em2nought]

McDonalds could single-handedly save Greece, open a chain similar to Chipolte called Tzatziki :D

[Gerald]

Greek police have thwarted efforts by striking workers to encircle parliament and block access for MPs due to debate new austerity measures.

Thousands of demonstrators have gathered in Syntagma Square in Athens.

Prime Minister George Papandreou is trying to push through fresh policies as part of the conditions for the EU and IMF's bail-out package.

Ports, public transport and banks are badly disrupted as the main public- and private-sector unions go out on strike.

State-run companies have also joined the walkout, while hospitals are only offering emergency care. However, airports are operating normally after air traffic controllers called off their strike.

It is the third general strike in Greece this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13773148

Note: 15 June 2011 Last updated at 09:40 GMT

[Jimbuna]

Yeah....that's exactly what the Greeks need to resolve their financial plight...a general strike :doh:

[Gerald]

.... and the last word has not said yet, another strike, will not solve anything..

[Hottentot]

So uh...what do they want? Based on the media it seems they are protesting against the proposed austerity programme that has been set as the condition for more loan. So is it:

A: More loan, but no austerity?
Or B: No more loan and no austerity?

If it's B, then fair enough. From what I know about their financial situation, it would be a poor choice, but still fair.

If it's A, then I'm inclined to start making internationally recognized hand signs for the second time when it comes to these questions (the first time being when I saw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2pPSAAFSbk)). In the beginning I was for supporting Greece and other countries, but stuff like this isn't really making it any easier.

[Gerald]

If Greece, had NOT been in EU so they had been more difficult to borrow money, and probably ended up in a situation as Iceland, now they will get some assistance by the IMF and other goodness, with loans of currency, but countries Greece, for example, benefit greatly to be a member of the EU, which in turn affect other countries in the Union should pay, because of a bad government, which acted on bad grounds, and it was long before their accession to the EU.

[Gerald]

The way out of the euro crisis is over Greece's exit from EMU, but only after a lengthy process with more emergency loans to avoid the risk of another financial meltdown a la Lehman Brothers 2008th,I could imagine.

[Gerald]

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2647/5343288653432514.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/5343288653432514.jpg/)
Protesters fought running battles with the police in central Athens.

Greek PM George Papandreou has proposed a unity government as he tries to win support for austerity measures demanded by the EU and IMF, state TV reports.

Some reports said Mr Papandreou had even offered to step down, in talks with opposition leader Antonis Samaras.

Mr Papandreou has been facing the risk of a revolt in his Socialist party over the controversial austerity package.

Greek police clashed with anti-austerity protesters near parliament, and unions held a general strike.

Mr Papandreou is seeking support for a new austerity programme of 28bn euros (£24.6bn; $40.5bn) in cuts to take effect from 2012 to 2015.

The conservative New Democracy party reportedly demanded that as a condition of agreeing to a unity government, Mr Papandreou should resign and the terms of the austerity package should be renegotiated.

The EU and IMF are demanding the measures in return for the release of another 12bn euros in aid next month that Athens needs to pay off maturing debt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13783224

Note: Update Record,15 June 2011 Last updated at 16:34 GMT

[yubba]

Gee I must be psychic or psycho :doh::doh::doh: a parade for me you shouldn't have...

[Betonov]

There's a true story when one of my countrymen went to Crete and asked a local what's his opinion about loand to Greece, and he asked back: ''you loaned our goverment money??'' ''Yes we did.'' And the reply he got was: ''you are idiots''

A strike would be a bad idea for Greece, but they are protesting because the austerity will hit the poor while the main chefs that cooked this crisis will still be filthy rich.

[kranz]

Today our Prime Minister clearly stated that Poland will support countries of the Euro group (note: we don't have Euro yet) that have fallen into crisis. Our public debt is smth like 55%, Portugal had 70% when they got into a deep...(you know what)
So, I'm kinda looking for a peaceful place outside this sick continent where almost-dead countries (Poland) want to support the already dead ones just to show how really bad we want that bloody Euro.

[yubba]

Socalism has two classes Haves' and Havenots' and, some want that crap here in the states, well maybe not in Wisconsin.

[Gerald]

Having the Euro, is a good option for countries with relatively poor economy, when other countries pay their loans and welfare indirectly, that is, those who are with, the Union.

[yubba]

there I is all the way on the third page :doh::doh::doh::doh:

[Oberon]

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[Oberon]

Socalism has two classes Haves' and Havenots' and, some want that crap here in the states, well maybe not in Wisconsin.

Wolverines!!


:haha:

[Respenus]

Having the Euro, is a good option for countries with relatively poor economy, when other countries pay their loans and welfare indirectly, that is, those who are with, the Union.

Not touching the other part of the comment, countries with rich and powerful economies also benefit greatly from the common currency. It is not without its problems, mind you, and the centralised rate policy can be more damaging than not, but Germany for example has only grown richer because of the Euro. A more stronger German Mark would hurt their exports, as well as being a good reserve currency which adds additional problems of its own.

I should also like to note that as of right now, no country in the Eurozone has paid a single cent to the countries that were bailed-out and can even expect a profit from the venture. That is, if said countries don't default. :D I'll leave the rest for Skybird to shoot down. :03:

[frau kaleun]

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WHERE'S YOUR MOSES NOW?

[Gerald]

Some countries have actually paid the money, such as UK, Sweden to take any concrete.

[yubba]

Wolverines!!


:haha: Yeah buddy, WOLVERINES:rock:

[yubba]

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WHERE'S YOUR MOSES NOW? Right here.....http://images.free-extras.com/pics/h/homer_and_a_doughnut-1088.jpg (http://free-extras.com/images/homer_and_a_doughnut-1088.htm)

[Jimbuna]

I wish I could understand some of those posts :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

LOL :DL

[Gerald]

EU commissioners have a "profound sense of foreboding" about Greece and the future of the eurozone, a leaked account of a meeting has suggested.

The account, seen by BBC News, said this was in reaction to the "damning failure" of eurozone ministers to agree a new bail-out for Greece last night.

It was written by an official who attended Wednesday's gathering of commissioners in Brussels.

The author warned that the markets would now "smell blood".

The European Commission said it would not comment "on anonymous interpretations of meetings".

The document said that the planned second Greek financial rescue package on top of last year's 110bn-euro (£161bn; £98bn) bail-out would dominate the forthcoming European Council meetings next week.

It added that any default on Greek government debt - as espoused by Germany - would leave the Greek banks insolvent and "threaten the viability of the ECB [European Central Bank] itself" which owns 49bn euros of Greek bonds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13781390


Note: Update Record, 15 June 2011 Last updated at 15:48 GMT

[yubba]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=1394&albumid=200&dl=1268100994&thumb=1 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=200)or over there, oh wait that's me [trust me I'll have you home by the crack of noon]

[Onkel Neal]

Our nutty government is considering bailing Greece out when we are broke. I say let them swirl in their own red ink, and it will educate all these fiscal boneheads, what's about too happen. Socialism is a greek tragedy, it's great until you run out of other peoples money.


Yeah, which nutty govt, we're not psychic, you know.

[yubba]

Yeah, which nutty govt, we're not psychic, you know. So sorry, the United Socalist of America, you must have checked your crystal ball at the door, my bad.

[joea]

So sorry, the United Socalist of America, you must have checked your crystal ball at the door, my bad.
Why would the US care? They are not part of the EU£'

Oh and source please?

[yubba]

Why, yes we can bail you out, let me find my crayon and I'll write you a check.
.http://storyballoon.org/wp-content/uploads/Obama-mad-magazine-cover-249x322.jpg Because we care and we can always print more money

[Gerald]

I'm wondering, who is "bail you out" :stare:

[Hottentot]

United Socalist of America

Have you considered consulting Lenin with your expertise? I'm sure he would be interested in hearing your revolutionary theories on how to achieve socialism in only a handful of years, when he and his buddies couldn't really do it in a bunch of decades.

[Gerald]

:haha:

[Tribesman]

Have you considered consulting Lenin with your expertise
I didn't know Lenin was a Socalist, then again I thought he was dead a long time before soul hit the Carribean and morphed into the new sound

[Gerald]

After all, so maybe it was not Lenin, Stalin may have been the magic name,but the color red was right...

[Hottentot]

I didn't know Lenin was a Socalist, then again I thought he was dead a long time before soul hit the Carribean and morphed into the new sound

Lenin never dies. How else do you explain his texts being revised by himself years after his apparent demise? Rumors of such are all decadent agitprop by saboteurs and spies.

[Tribesman]

Lenin never dies.
But can he dance, will he be stepping out at Carnival?

[Jimbuna]

Lenin never dies. How else do you explain his texts being revised by himself years after his apparent demise? Rumors of such are all decadent agitprop by saboteurs and spies.

A quick Google search led me to what your referring to....whatever floats your boat I suppose.

[Hottentot]

Er, what am I referring to :doh:.

[Oberon]

Lenin never dies.

http://forumuploads.animutationportal.com/433_4a8ec0f954661.gif

[Jimbuna]

Er, what am I referring to :doh:.

I wouldn't waste Neals bandwidth posting such links on this forum.

Now I could be wrong in what is a simple assumption couldnt I ?

[Hottentot]

I wouldn't waste Neals bandwidth posting such links on this forum.

Now I could be wrong in what is a simple assumption couldnt I ?

I've heard the anecdotes our lecturers make being called all sorts of things by various people, but I never knew they had already gained international fame. Or that they were that bad. Or that they could be found with Google.

So I assume the answer to the latter question is "yes" ;).

[Skybird]

ECB board member Nout Wellink wants to double the bailout reserves of the EU to more than 1.5 trillion. http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/staatsverschuldung/schuldenkrise-ezb-bringt-billionen-rettungsfonds-ins-gespraech_aid_637339.html

EU commissioner for Energy Oettinger wants to force private households and energy suppliers to consume less energy. His ideas include direct penalties against private households. Welcome the superbureucratic overlord monitoring. Control over all this lies with the dictatorial central committee of the superior EU elite, that optimists in attempts to be funny still refer to as "EU commission".

Listening to the polical debates, the terms and labels and vocabularies and slogan are identical to that I hzave heared in and from the former GDR. The ower structures within the EU more and more remind of that in the GDR. And German chnacellor Merkel - has been the GDR youth organisation FDJ's chief secretary for propaganda. She tells the Germans lies at home, while selling them to the EU, and doing critical damage to future interests and pension' security of German workers, in order to not risk blocking conflicts with European nations that are less scrupelous to bully through their ideas. We have more vioolence done from left extremists in Germany now, than from right ones: but while it is en vogue to demonstrate and have action days against right violence, left extreme violence gets ignored, is rejected, and the responsible poltiicans look at the other direction and talk it nice. Daily crimes, cars burning in Berlin every night: no reaction and no reasonable comment to that from the leftist government in Berlin. One right winger shouting a slogan - and all the media and all the republic go crazy immediately and report day in and day out.

Really, it more and more is a DDR 2.0 over here. And all political concpetions beign discussed these days: are nothing else but equivalents to party-planned economies and five-year-plans. The daily political "Dummschwätzerei" is identical to slogans from GDR times, both in terminology, and intention.

On Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, we do behave the same like Tepoc did at Fukushima: there is a financial meltdown that is observed in realtime - and the responsible just lie about it to that public and delay decisive action and tough decisions, and allow it to become worse and worse. The CB - jut ants to save bank' profit interests, and wants the tx payers to shoulder the costs alone.

All this together is nothing else but organised crime.

[Jimbuna]

The people of the UK still await a referendum on staying in or leaving the EU but that will only happen when the politicians decide they want us to leave :nope: