18 Signs That Life In U.S. Public Schools Is Now Essentially Equivalent To Life In...

[Feuer Frei!]

U.S Prisons:

In the United States today, our public schools are not very good at educating our students, but they sure are great training grounds for learning how to live in a Big Brother police state control grid. Sadly, life in many U.S. public schools is now essentially equivalent to life in U.S. prisons. Most parents don't realize this, but our students have very few rights when they are in school. Our public school students are being watched, tracked, recorded, searched and controlled like never before.
The following are 18 signs that life in our public schools is now very similar to life in our prisons....

#1 Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has announced (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/25/virginia-attorney-general-says-teachers-cellphones-read-texts/) that school officials can search the cell phones and laptops of public school students if there are "reasonable grounds for suspecting that the search will turn up evidence that the student has violated or is violating either the law or the rules of the school."


#2 It came out in court that one school district in Pennsylvania secretly recorded more than 66,000 images (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District) of students using webcams that were embedded in school-issued laptops that the students were using at home.


#3 If you can believe it, a "certified TSA official (http://current.com/18d6mkc)" was recently brought in to oversee student searches at the Santa Fe High School prom.


#4 A few years ago a class of 3rd grade students at one Kentucky elementary school were searched by a group of teachers after 5 dollars went missing (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332888,00.html). During the search the students were actually required to remove their shoes and their socks.


#5 At one public school in the Chicago area, children have been banned (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-school-lunch-restrictions-041120110410,0,2614451,full.story) from bringing their lunches from home. Yes, you read that correctly. Students at that particular school are absolutely prohibited from bringing lunches from home. Instead, it is mandatory that they eat the food that the school cafeteria serves.


#6 The U.S. Department of Agriculture is spending huge amounts of money to install surveillance cameras (http://www.infowars.com/control-freak-society-government-to-monitor-school-lunches-with-cameras/) in the cafeterias of public schools so that government control freaks can closely monitor what our children are eating.


#7 A teenager in suburban Dallas was recently forced to take on a part-time job (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/Teen-Fined-637-for-Foul-Language-in-Classroom-114879844.html) after being ticketed for using bad language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.


#8 It is not just high school kids that are being ticketed by police. In Texas the crackdown extends all the way down to elementary school students. In fact, it has been reported that Texas police gave "1,000 tickets (http://www.parentdish.com/2011/01/11/should-texas-cops-be-giving-tickets-to-6-year-olds/)" to elementary school kids over a recent six year period.


#9 A few months ago, a 17 year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father's lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/29/nc-high-school-senior-suspended-charged-possesion-small-knife-lunchbox/#) and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.


#10 A little over a year ago, a 6 year old girl in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb/11/port-st-lucie-schools-confines-6-year-old-with/) after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.


#11 In early 2010, a 12 year old girl in New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1). "I love my friends Abby and Faith" was what she reportedly wrote on her desk.


#12 There are actually some public schools in the United States that are so paranoid that they have actually installed cameras in student bathrooms (http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/camera_school_bathroom.htm).


#13 Down in Florida, students have actually been arrested by police (http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance-states.html) for bringing a plastic butter knife to school, for throwing an eraser, and for drawing a picture of a gun.


#14 The Florida State Department of Juvenile Justice has announced that it will begin using analysis software to predict crime by young delinquents (http://gizmodo.com/5517231/crime-prediction-software-is-here-and-its-a-very-bad-idea) and will place "potential offenders" in specific prevention and education programs.


#15 A group of high school students made national headlines a while back when they revealed that they were ordered by a security guard to stop singing the national anthem (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/09/students-lincoln-memorial-told-stop-singing-national-anthem/) during a visit to the Lincoln Memorial.


#16 In some U.S. schools, armed cops accompanied by police dogs actually conduct surprise raids with their guns drawn. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6r9neE89Fg&feature=player_embedded), you can actually see police officers aiming their guns at school children as the students are lined up facing the wall.


#17 Back in 2009, one 8 year old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation (http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x1903566059/Taunton-second-grader-suspended-over-drawing-of-Jesus) because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.


#18 This year, 13 parents in Duncan, South Carolina were actually ticketed (http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/05/duncan_south_carolina_police_t.php) for cheering during a high school graduation.




SOURCE (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/18-signs-that-life-in-u-s-public-schools-is-now-essentially-equivalent-to-life-in-u-s-prisons)

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I didn't see solitary confinement blocks in the list. When are they going to start building those? :hmmm:

[Platapus]

When did kids start getting rights?

When I was a kid the only rights were the ones given to us by my parents. :yep:

I could just imagine telling my mother, "you can't do that. I have rights"

She would have given me a right all right, followed up by a left. :yep:

[Tribesman]

Isn't it amazing that so many of those stories are not what they are presented as.:yawn:
Those that are what they are presented as are mainly result of when parents have insisted on strong measures and zero tolerance, then suddenly getting upset when their poor little angels who really honestly never do anything wrong at all get caught up catching flak from the zero tolerance for their wrongdoing.......apart of course from the graduation story where it is parents acting like selfish idiots over a measure that had to be adopted because parents were getting annoyed by parents acting like selfish idiots.

Though I am shocked that the Florida school with that six year old allowed that crap to go on for so long and only sent her to the mental hospital after she kicked a pregnant woman in the belly.
Is there any way thery could have sent the childs parents to the bin as well?

[NeonSamurai]

Isn't it amazing that so many of those stories are not what they are presented as.:yawn:
Those that are what they are presented as are mainly result of when parents have insisted on strong measures and zero tolerance, then suddenly getting upset when their poor little angels who really honestly never do anything wrong at all get caught up catching flak from the zero tolerance for their wrongdoing.......apart of course from the graduation story where it is parents acting like selfish idiots over a measure that had to be adopted because parents were getting annoyed by parents acting like selfish idiots.

Though I am shocked that the Florida school with that six year old allowed that crap to go on for so long and only sent her to the mental hospital after she kicked a pregnant woman in the belly.
Is there any way thery could have sent the childs parents to the bin as well?

On the other hand some of those stories are a bit concerning, like the honors student who was suspended, or large fines being levied against kids for stuff like swearing and the like. I also do not agree with forcing kids to eat from the cafeteria.

[Torplexed]

Ahh the surveillance society Who knows? Maybe what we're looking at is the extinction of politicians.

In about 10 or 20 years when these kids try to run for office, there probably won't be an incriminating photo, comment or situation that can't be dredged up by their opponent, recorded years earlier by a surveillance camera, cell phone, or facebook page. And vice versa. The result? No one runs. :rotfl2:

[Tribesman]

On the other hand some of those stories are a bit concerning, like the honors student who was suspended, or large fines being levied against kids for stuff like swearing and the like. I also do not agree with forcing kids to eat from the cafeteria.
On the first two its discipline and safety measures that parents support until their own kids run foul of them, on the third the article has parents in favour and against the policy plus other schools and their approaches to the problem which may be better or worse than the one in question.
Then again I am of the age where you had no choice and no menu options and you had better eat every last scrap of gristle on your plate or the teachers would go medieaval on you for wasting such good food while the poor starving africans would walk a hundred miles for the chance to be blessed with a fine bit of gristle like that. So people complaining about having to use the cateteria or about not being allowed a can of soda in their lunchbox are just moaning little gits.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Then again I am of the age where you had no choice and no menu options and you had better eat every last scrap of gristle on your plate or the teachers would go medieaval on you for wasting such good food while the poor starving africans would walk a hundred miles for the chance to be blessed with a fine bit of gristle like that. So people complaining about having to use the cateteria or about not being allowed a can of soda in their lunchbox are just moaning little gits.
When I was in grades 1 to 6 at lunch time we formed a line. Cook rationed food and headmistress rationed salads. It was quite clear that you were expected to eat them... :DL

If you were sixth grader and headmistress was in good mood you even had chance to say how much salad you want. She was unfortunately deaf to words 'no salad, please'...

[Feuer Frei!]

Yep, those were the days.
However, the article addresses present-time matters.
Which is somewhat worrying.

[Tribesman]

However, the article addresses present-time matters.

The article misrepresents several present time matters and doesn't really address anything

[Armistead]

Why some of these issues are false or taken to extreme, others aren't. Schools have gone through changes, seems today it's more about controlling than teaching.

My biggest fear is teachers only teach kids to pass test today, not learn subjects. My wife tudors kids that fail end of grade testing. Most get one more try. Basically all she doe's is teach them to pass the test, basically gives them answers to what's coming.

[Torplexed]

Yep, those were the days.
However, the article addresses present-time matters.
Which is somewhat worrying.

What is worrying is that kids nowdays are inured to the concept of constant surveillance and government monitoring and analyzing every aspect of their life. They likely won't question it much as they get older.

[Kongo Otto]

U.S Prisons:

#5 At one public school in the Chicago area, children have been banned (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-school-lunch-restrictions-041120110410,0,2614451,full.story) from bringing their lunches from home. Yes, you read that correctly. Students at that particular school are absolutely prohibited from bringing lunches from home. Instead, it is mandatory that they eat the food that the school cafeteria serves.




Yeah what a brutal offense to the poor kids, forced to eat something healthy instead of Supersize McDonurger King Menues.
So at least 0,000000001 % of the american kids will not become a 600 pound fatty until they enter College.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Yeah what a brutal offense to the poor kids, forced to eat something healthy instead of Supersize McDonurger King Menues.
So at least 0,000000001 % of the american kids will not become a 600 pound fatty until they enter College.
im afraid i dont see any truth in your stereotypical point of view. I could insult you and your country too, but im bigger then that.

Everyone i went to school with ate sandwiches in their lunch. maybe a granola bar, maybe a cookie.

The school cafeteria served pizza, chicken sandwiches and hamburgers for the majority of the year.

Out of the 2500 kids i went to school with, maybe 5% were chubby or fat. There are fat kids in germany too. There are fat people in every part of the world.

But of course your inappropriate bashing isnt what this thread is about. Its about the ridiculous policies set by overprotective smothering parents to ensure that kids are imprisoned and kept on surveillance 24/7.

Personally i dont know how this CRAP is allowed. a third-degree FELONY for bringing a plastic butter knife to school? throwing an eraser is supposed to be "throwing a deadly missile" which is also a felony.

The schools think they get to control EVERYTHING that Kids do. ABSOULTELY not. Thats up to the parents, and the parents alone.

[GoldenRivet]

I've gotta admit. I've lost pretty much all faith in the public school system.

[Tribesman]

An interesting take.
Its about the ridiculous policies set by overprotective smothering parents to ensure that kids are imprisoned and kept on surveillance 24/7.

So its the parents fault.....
The schools think they get to control EVERYTHING that Kids do. ABSOULTELY not. Thats up to the parents, and the parents alone.
If its the parents fault how is it the schools fault? If its u[p to the parents and the parents alone and the parents want zero tolerance at the schools then it cannot be the schools fault for doing what the parents insist on.



I've lost pretty much all faith in the public school system.
When it comes to matters of discipline and student conduct do you think the private school system has less or more strict rules than the public schools do?

[CaptainMattJ.]

An interesting take.

So its the parents fault.....

If its the parents fault how is it the schools fault? If its u[p to the parents and the parents alone and the parents want zero tolerance at the schools then it cannot be the schools fault for doing what the parents insist on.




When it comes to matters of discipline and student conduct do you think the private school system has less or more strict rules than the public schools do?
thats the thing. Obviously not every parent is overprotective. So a parent who set out to get these policies enforced has no problem with the school doing it.

The school and the overprotective parents are for the policies. The regular parents who arent ruling their child with an iron fist are the ones who would be, for the most part, opposed to these policies.

It should be left up to the parent for these kinds of things. While the overprotective parents get what THEY want, youll be forcing it down the other parents throats without their say in it.

[nikimcbee]

I find all this stuff funny, because who has an iron grip control over the US school system?

[Anthony W.]

I'll vouch for all of your accounts here. I was breathalysed at a football game once. Before I even entered the stadium.

There are cameras everywhere in school - and most of them are hidden. I got into the command center once (was carrying some cleaning supplies for the janitor), and noticed that the visible cameras are placed to almost corral students into areas where the cameras are placed. Yet, they still can't figure out who's punching holes in the wall.

We have random drug dog searches. The officers are armed. They WILL question you if you are seen in the hall during the searches.

There are armed guards and airport style searches at dances.

They have a "holding chamber" where searches can be conducted off camera. Rumors abound about what has happened in there.

I really am outraged. If I went into a full rage I would swear every other word for 3 pages.

Whats worse is the teachers. Once the teachers have tenure, then they quit caring. Period. Only the new teachers are good - and even so - the teachers are undereducated. I actually have to correct my teachers multiple times a day. Hell, look up all the reports of misinformation in text books. I've re written half my history book making corrections. Also, they teach you what, not who, when, how, why, or what if.

It is more horrible than can be written.

[Takeda Shingen]

I taught in the K-12 education system for 10 years. I am proud of my work.

[Tribesman]

It is more horrible than can be written.
A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school:wah:



@MattJ
So a parent who set out to get these policies enforced has no problem with the school doing it.

Apart from those parents who supported the idea but never thought that their little angel would do something bad, who then kick up a fuss when it happens as those disciplinary measures they like are only good for other peoples children.

It should be left up to the parent for these kinds of things.
Unfortunately not. Take a few of those examples.
Dispruptive behavior in class....is that for the school to deal with or should that be done at home? For that matter how can it be done at home?
Illegal drugs on school premesis.....is that parents or schools who must enforce that?
Weapons on school grounds......parents???????Are they supposed to search their own children at the school door every time their child walks through it?
How about that great one about disruptive parents at school functions? Should the other parents join together and beat the crap out of the ignorant pricks at the ceremony or should it be the school that deals with it.

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, kids don't have it that bad. When I was in school, if you misbehaved, the teacher beat you with a board in front of the whole class. I received corporal punishment many times, up to age 16 in school. I bet none of these kids has ever had "licks".

[the_tyrant]

i heard somewhere the whole idea of high school was to keep young people off the streets, to prevent them from causing trouble...

so yeah, same thing

what concerns me though, is the amount of violence, theft, and drugs you find in an average high school

draconian? well almost all my friends have had something stolen from them at school. and the amount of drugs and violence at school is astonishing

[Platapus]

Haha, kids don't have it that bad. When I was in school, if you misbehaved, the teacher beat you with a board in front of the whole class. I received corporal punishment many times, up to age 16 in school. I bet none of these kids has ever had "licks".


And what would happen if you had complained to your parents about it?

I know what happened in my family when I complained... once. :yep:

[Seth8530]

Im currently a sophomore and college and i can vouch for the overzealousness of the school.

One time i was in class and a cell phone rang ( we arnt allowed to even have them in our backpacks at school) and no would confess who's phone it was.. So the SRO came in and searched every last one of us for phones. They confiscated about 30 of them from a class of 33.

Cameras are everywhere, heaven forbid you accidentally bring a knife to school.

One time their was a gun scare at the school and people were texting outside of class speading the news that something was supposed to go down. When i got to school on the day the gunman was supposed to be there the intercom rang and they announced that they would prosecute anyone who was spreading the news of it thru texting.

[krashkart]

Anyone else here think that maybe the human race is suffering from a collective psychosis? :hmmm:

[Betonov]

And what would happen if you had complained to your parents about it?

I know what happened in my family when I complained... once. :yep:

Corporal punishment was illeal when I went to high school (5 years ago) and still I had my shares of slaps and ear pulling. Never reported, didn't felt the need and my moher would slap me 10 times that if I complained. She always says, if he deserved it he deserves another one so he remembers it, if he dind't deserve it, well, he got it for something before :DL

[tater]

Private school outcomes come from selecting for parents that have a "culture" of education, nothing more.

When the student population includes a substantial % of kids who do not respect, admire, or aspire to become well educated (a set of values they get (or don't get) from their parents), the school goes down the toilet.

It's not the teachers. It's not the crazy rules. Dumb stuff like this are schools trying to take over all aspects of life for kids that have virtually no decent parental input.

[Platapus]

\Never reported, didn't felt the need and my moher would slap me 10 times that if I complained. She always says, if he deserved it he deserves another one so he remembers it, if he dind't deserve it, well, he got it for something before :DL


Are we Brothers? :har:

[Snestorm]

Perhaps one problem with public schools, is the word "Mandatory".

When something is sold as a "Right", and converted to a "Requirement", it deserves to be questioned.
Schools have gone way beyond the localaly controled, non-publicly funded institutions, that they once were.

When public servants believe the public is there to serve THEM, it's time to get rid of them, and the politicians who empowered them.

[Task Force]

Now I see why all the walls are white!!!!!:rotfl2:
Its just like prison!
Bland food, bland colors, bland designs, bland people! With all the fun riots and fights its prison!

[Anthony W.]

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school:wah:

I hold merit due to the fact that I am calling them inadequate on an academic basis, and that I have the information they lack.

It really is as bad as I say - and I went to a private school up until this year. The private school was more uptight, but the quality of the education was 100% better in everything but math.

Oh, BTW, a study showed that the amount of money spent per meal on prison lunches is actually greater than the amount spent on public school lunches.

[Tribesman]

I hold merit due to the fact that I am calling them inadequate on an academic basis, and that I have the information they lack.

So a schoolboy that knows more than his teachers and textbooks, how novel.

Oh, BTW, a study showed that the amount of money spent per meal on prison lunches is actually greater than the amount spent on public school lunches.
Has that bad math education let you down?
You have in front of you an apple and a box of oranges...how much does the half a grapefruit cost?

[CaptainMattJ.]

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school:wah:



@MattJ

Apart from those parents who supported the idea but never thought that their little angel would do something bad, who then kick up a fuss when it happens as those disciplinary measures they like are only good for other peoples children.


Unfortunately not. Take a few of those examples.
Dispruptive behavior in class....is that for the school to deal with or should that be done at home? For that matter how can it be done at home?
Illegal drugs on school premesis.....is that parents or schools who must enforce that?
Weapons on school grounds......parents???????Are they supposed to search their own children at the school door every time their child walks through it?
How about that great one about disruptive parents at school functions? Should the other parents join together and beat the crap out of the ignorant pricks at the ceremony or should it be the school that deals with it.
What i meant was: The schools overreact in the worst way. Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention, visit to the principal ect, they have these kids arrested, slapped with fines, and the charges are rediculous. Disruptive in class means a fine? Im GLAD my school had no where NEAR the ridiculous policies in some of these schools.

In the end, much of the punishment for some of these things should come down to the parents. The school gives em detention, or suspension for some things, and the parent grounds them or takes things away or gives them a good whacking. Not being slapped with misdemeanors, felonies (throwing an eraser is considered a DEADLY MISSILE, which is a felony? WHAT?) and often hefty fines. Brutal fights, vandalism, theft, ect. should be punished in such ways but come on now.

The schools dont LET parents decide much anymore. But moving away to a different district (its often an entire district who enforce policies) can be costly and sometimes not even an option.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't know. My daughters high school has a uniformed policeman. There are camera installed in every hall. It is all for security.


When we go to the mall there is uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed in every walkway and store. It is all for security.

I go to the airport. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up by TSA. It is all for security.

I go to a football game. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up as I hand over my ticket. It is all for security.

I go to the grocery store. There is a uniformed security/policeman at the door. There are cameras in every isle. It is for security.


So our schools are like what?

[tater]

Malls and stores have just rent-a-cops, right? Not sure what any of these guys are gonna do with a real emergency. Certainly nothing preemptive. It's like ridiculous post-Columbine metal detectors... they are useless unless the operator is prepared to preempt anyone who might pull a gun instead of getting scanned with lethal force.

[Snestorm]

I don't know. My daughters high school has a uniformed policeman. There are camera installed in every hall. It is all for security.


When we go to the mall there is uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed in every walkway and store. It is all for security.

I go to the airport. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up by TSA. It is all for security.

I go to a football game. There are uniformed policemen. There are cameras installed everywhere. I get felt up as I hand over my ticket. It is all for security.

I go to the grocery store. There is a uniformed security/policeman at the door. There are cameras in every isle. It is for security.


So our schools are like what?

If one likes all that "security", why not ask for a tax increase so every one can have their very own police escort 24/7, for "security".

Those who surrender Freedom for Security, deserve neither.

[AVGWarhawk]

If you like all that "security", why not ask for a tax increase so every one can have their very own police escort 24/7, for "security".

Those who surrender Freedom for Security, deserve neither.

Nowhere did I state I like all the that 'security'. :03: Also, the cameras are the 24/7 police escorts.

[Tribesman]

Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention,
Detention, some parents find that screws up their childcare arrangements and school transport arrangements plus of course you have to have supervision which would probably be an additional overtime expense or require a salaried teacher to volunteer for an extra crap job.

Instead of stopping them and maybe serving detention, visit to the principal ect, they have these kids arrested
If you look at the actual incidents from the article rather than the very warped presentation of them in the article do you find that many of them have gone through all that process and more before they get arrested? Apart of course from the zero-tolerance ones where people decided they were wasting too much time trying to enforce school policy.

Disruptive in class means a fine?
Financial penalties do tend to get the message across.

(throwing an eraser is considered a DEADLY MISSILE, which is a felony? WHAT?)
Oh noooooooo..........would you like to examine that little nugget from the article and discover how it was just someone talking bollox so he could pretend he had a real point?

The schools dont LET parents decide much anymore.
Swings and roundabouts, some parents can't be arsed to make descisions and some want schools to make the descisions because they can't be arsed themselves or because they have decided that other parents can't be arsed and are unable to maintain disipline in schools of children that are not theirs.
No matter which way you cut it it comes down to the schools picking up the crap left to them from bad parents and also doing the bidding of good parents. They are in a no win situation and it is the parents(and children) not the schools who are the problem.

Do you think that schools which have introduced these "unreasonable" disciplinary measures havn't tried already all the other approaches you suggest?

[Snestorm]

Nowhere did I state I like all the that 'security'. :03: Also, the cameras are the 24/7 police escorts.

Rightful outrage noted, and appreciated.

"You" has been corrected to "one", in my original post.
The statement is no longer aimed at you, but those to whom it fits.

(I'll be more careful about wording.)

[Tribesman]

To all the hypocrites.
You know who you are, and so do we.

White Power, long live the master race, ein volk ein reich:rock:
Damn I thought it was the 21st century and people had evolved beyond that racist nonsense:rotfl2:

[Snestorm]

White Power, long live the master race, ein volk ein reich:rock:
Damn I thought it was the 21st century and people had evolved beyond that racist nonsense:rotfl2:

Are your addressing something relevant to this thread?

[Tribesman]

Are your addressing something relevant to this thread?

Since your white power neo nazi link is in any thread you write in then yes it is relevant in any thread your white supremacist nuts song appears in.

[Snestorm]

Since your white power neo nazi link is in any thread you write in then yes it is relevant in any thread your white supremacist nuts song appears in.

Your free to draw whatever conclusions you desire.
It's good to know that my sig has made such a big impression.
Enjoy.

[Oberon]

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[Tribesman]

It's good to know that my sig has made such a big impression.
The only impression it gives is that you are a small minded bigot who likes a sick ideology which any sane person knows gave the world millions of reasons to detest it.

[Onkel Neal]

Let's avoid the name calling and stay on topic, please.

[krashkart]

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[CCIP]

Let's avoid the name calling and stay on topic, please.

Actually I'm with him on that, Neal. IMO someone promoting a known and self-admitted racist/neo-nazi artist in a totally non-ironic way on the forums more than deserves being called out on being small-minded and bigoted.

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As for prison-likeness, well, I point you to Michel Foucault's "Discipline and Punish" which makes a pretty convincing argument that Western society over the last 2.5 centuries has become increasingly prison-like in general, especially as regards public institutions, education and work. And that's not a 'horrible truth', that's just a comment on the fact that accomplishing projects on the scale that we take on as society needs effective management strategies, and prison is the best-managed model we've yet come up with. Sad, but fact.

What's more, it's prisons that have become more like the rest of society, not vice versa. For one, modern school discipline precedes the institution of the prison as we know it by many centuries. What we know/think of as prison today didn't even exist a few hundred years ago, or at least was almost unrecognizably different. Schools are also recent, but in fact it's easier to see how schools and Enlightenment education have served as a model for prisons. Though it would be more accurate to say that both schools and prisons developed in parallel from much the same sources, and this parallel development continues today. Nothing surprising.

[Anthony W.]

So a schoolboy that knows more than his teachers and textbooks, how novel.


Has that bad math education let you down?
You have in front of you an apple and a box of oranges...how much does the half a grapefruit cost?

I don't eat school lunch. I was just making the point.

And yes, in some subjects, I do know more than my teachers. Is it supposed to be BAD that I do extensive research into some subjects? I'm an expert in the Pacific theater of WWII, all aspects of the major air forces of the 20'th century, and politics. I spend weeks and months and years researching and consulting with leading professors and authors simply because I enjoy those topics. Is that a problem to you?

Quite frankly you haven't managed to prove any point with regards to my first hand allegations, only to piss me and several other people off. To be honest I think an admin should review all the unprovoked insults you've been issuing in this thread.

Just because we don't share your elitist (in appearance), "the government knows best", point of view, doesn't make us wrong. That attitude is bigoted by definition. In fact, it appears that most people in this thread are against most of what has been talked about here.

Now, back on topic. With regards to detention conflicting with child care arrangements, let that be the parent's problem. It isn't the school's fault that the kid did whatever they did to deserve a detention. If it messes up the arrangements, let the parents deal with the kid in their own way after they serve the time. It is the kid's fault. The kid has to serve the punishment for the crime eventually. Reschedule it or something - don't let them off the hook.

I got suspended my 8th grade year for cussing out a rather large crowd in the hall because they were talking crap about my late brother. Did I get out of it because my parents had nobody to "take care" of me? No. My father drug me to the office every morning, which was not only humiliating, but boring as hell.

I fully recognize that this response is emotionally charged because I will not be called unintelligent by somebody that doesn't even know me.

[Tribesman]

I don't eat school lunch. I was just making the point.

But you didn't make a point, your "point" was pointless. you tried to compare two things that are not comparable and even used an equation that defies logic.....not a great move when you are saying how clever you are.

And yes, in some subjects, I do know more than my teachers.
In some subjects you think you know more.

Quite frankly you haven't managed to prove any point with regards to my first hand allegations
So comprehension isn't your strong point either.
So then....
Breathalised .....wow:yawn:
Cameras......:zzz:
Random drug dogs....and??????
Officers WILL question during searches....CAPS LOCK strikes again:rotfl2:
Rumours abound.....schoolboy rumours, is there a dead student hidden in the basement and is the gym teacher really a poof?:doh:
It is more horrible than can be written.......Language not your strong point then, pretty overdone on the Drama too, hamming it up somewhat.:know:
they teach you what, not who, when, how, why, or what if........so you expect all pupils to spend months if not years learning the minutest detail of one tiny aspect of one tiny theme in just one of many huge subjects:88) You clearly get confused over the differences between secondary and tertiary education:yep:
I hold merit due to .....you have demonstrated that you don't really:hmmm:

Just because we don't share your elitist (in appearance), "the government knows best", point of view, doesn't make us wrong.
Another demonstration of your lack of comprehension:yeah:
Come to think of it wouldn't your belief that you are more intelligent than teachers make you somewhat elitist?
That attitude is bigoted by definition
Since you had to invent an attitude to apply to me it doesn't say much for the validity of your application of a definition.

In fact, it appears that most people in this thread are against most of what has been talked about here.

So that can be the tyranny of the masses or it can be people reacting to an article that they didn't realise is mainly bollox.

With regards to detention conflicting with child care arrangements, let that be the parent's problem.
Swings and roundabouts. Its the parents problem and the schools problem, its the schools problem and the parents problem.

I will not be called unintelligent by somebody that doesn't even know me.
I can only go by what you have written, and it appears that you are too close to the subject and too emotional on it to even see the matter with any clarity.

[AVGWarhawk]

I taught in the K-12 education system for 10 years. I am proud of my work.

As well you should be.

[Anthony W.]

But you didn't make a point, your "point" was pointless. you tried to compare two things that are not comparable and even used an equation that defies logic.....not a great move when you are saying how clever you are.


In some subjects you think you know more.


So comprehension isn't your strong point either.
So then....
Breathalised .....wow:yawn:
Cameras......:zzz:
Random drug dogs....and??????
Officers WILL question during searches....CAPS LOCK strikes again:rotfl2:
Rumours abound.....schoolboy rumours, is there a dead student hidden in the basement and is the gym teacher really a poof?:doh:
It is more horrible than can be written.......Language not your strong point then, pretty overdone on the Drama too, hamming it up somewhat.:know:
they teach you what, not who, when, how, why, or what if........so you expect all pupils to spend months if not years learning the minutest detail of one tiny aspect of one tiny theme in just one of many huge subjects:88) You clearly get confused over the differences between secondary and tertiary education:yep:
I hold merit due to .....you have demonstrated that you don't really:hmmm:


Another demonstration of your lack of comprehension:yeah:
Come to think of it wouldn't your belief that you are more intelligent than teachers make you somewhat elitist?

Since you had to invent an attitude to apply to me it doesn't say much for the validity of your application of a definition.


So that can be the tyranny of the masses or it can be people reacting to an article that they didn't realise is mainly bollox.


Swings and roundabouts. Its the parents problem and the schools problem, its the schools problem and the parents problem.


I can only go by what you have written, and it appears that you are too close to the subject and too emotional on it to even see the matter with any clarity.

So you think you are so high and mighty as to tell me what I do and do not know. I had no point to make - only allegations.

I have proven that I know more American and Military history than my teachers. Deal with it. I've written countless comprehensive reports on it just because I could - not because I was assigned to - all of them citing information gained from.first hand accounts, leading professors, and highly rated authors.

Now - I'm done with you. Your entire attitude is why most Americans have distaste for Europeans. If I go further my gungho American football player attitude will get me banned.

Cya

[Tribesman]

I have proven that I know more American and Military history than my teachers
You have proven nothing.... which is another demonstration of your superior intellect:rotfl2:

Your entire attitude is why most Americans have distaste for Europeans.
Wow, are you going out of your way to show how badly your mind functions.

If I go further my gungho American football player attitude will get me banned.

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Don't you mean petulant schoolboy attitude?

I wonder why people don't take schoolkids complaints about how unfair school life is very seriously? I mean it is such a novel concept I am sure no one has come across it before.:hmmm:
But thanks, it was funny to watch you demonstrate how you are unable to grasp even simple concepts. I must say your "elitist" and "government" lines were absolute scorchers in the hilarity stakes.

[Oberon]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/23/128798913817088466.jpg

[MH]

Not elitist but typical case of over educated ...... (insert anything you like here).
Some people should stop at 8 grade.

[AVGWarhawk]

I love the GT forums. :O::DL

[Anthony W.]

You have proven nothing.... which is another demonstration of your superior intellect:rotfl2:


Wow, are you going out of your way to show how badly your mind functions.


:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Don't you mean petulant schoolboy attitude?

I wonder why people don't take schoolkids complaints about how unfair school life is very seriously? I mean it is such a novel concept I am sure no one has come across it before.:hmmm:
But thanks, it was funny to watch you demonstrate how you are unable to grasp even simple concepts. I must say your "elitist" and "government" lines were absolute scorchers in the hilarity stakes.

Dear administrators, I am getting close to the point of using 4 letter words that I try so desperately to avoid.

Please do something about this mental case Euro Elitist piece of dirt.

As for you, the afore mentioned dirt bag Euro Elitist, I challenge you to a debate on the fundamentals of American history and government. Or we can debate the Nordic conquests of "your" people (the Anglo Saxons - even tho there is much doubt as to whether or not any tru Anglo Saxons exist).

I will not sit here and let someone that stands against all that I am for call me unintelligent.

PS: notice how he so blissfully ignores all the background information and examples I provide.

[Morts]

Dear administrators, I am getting close to the point of using 4 letter words that I try so desperately to avoid.

Please do something about this mental case Euro Elitist piece of dirt.


god i get so many laughs out of reading your posts, please dont stop making an ass of yourself :yeah:

[Platapus]

Now - I'm done with you.

You wrote that you were done with him. If so why are you replying to him?

Here at GT, if we disagree with what someone posted, we ignore and move on. No need to call for the moderators to do anything.

If you get this riled up over a posting on a video game internets tubes forum, you might want to rethink your temper. :yep:

People disagree here all the time. There are posters here that I pretty much disagree with everything they write. But I don't let it get to me.

Life is too short to get spun up over what is written on a video game forum website. :yep:

[CCIP]

Also, a protip on site administration: we're not your personal army :D

If you get into an argument on GT and don't like where it's going, you're on your own. I'm not defending Tribesman here, but please realize that all your proclamations, threats, and over-the-top pomposity in trying to build your credo on this make you look very, very silly indeed.

At a certain point, you're better off just keeping distance and not letting it get to you.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here at GT, if we disagree with what someone posted, we ignore and move on. No need to call for the moderators to do anything.

If you get this riled up over a posting on a video game internets tubes forum, you might want to rethink your temper. :yep:

People disagree here all the time. There are posters here that I pretty much disagree with everything they write. But I don't let it get to me.

Life is too short to get spun up over what is written on a video game forum website. :yep:

I don't agree with this at all. I mean really... No wait....:Kaleun_Goofy: Nevermind.

[Tribesman]

Please do something about this mental case Euro Elitist piece of dirt.

You really do have a problem.

As for you, the afore mentioned dirt bag Euro Elitist, I challenge you to a debate on the fundamentals of American history and government. Or we can debate the Nordic conquests of "your" people (the Anglo Saxons - even tho there is much doubt as to whether or not any tru Anglo Saxons exist).


So history and geography are not your forte then, we can add that to your problems with language comprehension and maths. In fact all you seem to excel at is Drama but I think your report card will have some negative comments about over acting and incredibility in that field

I will not sit here and let someone that stands against all that I am for call me unintelligent.

What exactly is it you think you stand for?
Going by some other comments you have made you seem to think you stand for America, perhaps you had better get permission from other Americans first.

PS: notice how he so blissfully ignores all the background information and examples I provide.
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
If you want to provide examples of how you are so much more intelligent than your teachers you will submit your work with sources and reference to an examining body and also submit all your teachers papers they produced and let the body make an assesment on how much cleverer you are:know:
Saying that you are an "expert" on air forces or the pacific theatre cuts no ice whatsoever and certainly doesn't prove your claim...damn that report card must have a bad mark for logic too:yeah:

[Howard313]

Back on TOPIC! :arrgh!:

I don't know if I'd compare public schools to prisons, I mean sure there are similarities, but I believe most of the security personal, regulations, and equipment are there for the safety of the students and staff. I mean I'm sure there are cases of security staff and the school board overreacting (I'd know all about that, I went to a Catholic school and let me tell you the nuns who ran the place were pure evil, no offense to any Catholics.) But in general I think the system is fine.... for now.

Although I do not agree with banning from-home lunches, mostly because I'd take a bologna sandwich from home over the average school cafeteria food any day. :O:

Edit: And back off topic less than a minute after I posted this.... :shifty:

[mookiemookie]

Dear administrators, I am getting close to the point of using 4 letter words that I try so desperately to avoid.

Please do something about this mental case Euro Elitist piece of dirt.

If someone on the GT forums has driven you to the point of namecalling and wanting to curse, then it sounds like a personal problem and not a mod problem. You have an ignore list. Use it and move on.

[Sailor Steve]

You have proven nothing.... which is another demonstration of your superior intellect:rotfl2:


Wow, are you going out of your way to show how badly your mind functions.


:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Don't you mean petulant schoolboy attitude?
You make some good points, but once again you can't control your penchant for simply ripping on people without actually countering the argument, no matter how simple it may be. You keep insisting on goading people. You intellect is obvious, and your grasp of many facts is undeniable, but your sophomoric attacks reduce your points to meaningless. You're trolling again, and you're doing it intentionally. You need to stop attacking people and start talking to them.

On the other hand...
So you think you are so high and mighty as to tell me what I do and do not know. I had no point to make - only allegations.
You do have tendency to post flat statements which seem to imply you know as much or more than the people you're talking to.
Dear administrators, I am getting close to the point of using 4 letter words that I try so desperately to avoid.
He's goading you intentionally. It's what trolls do. That you took his bait proves that he's good at what he does. As said, you need to ignore him.

Please do something about this mental case Euro Elitist piece of dirt.
Resorting to direct personal attacks will get you in trouble just as fast as breaking the language rules.

As for you, the afore mentioned dirt bag Euro Elitist, I challenge you to a debate on the fundamentals of American history and government. Or we can debate the Nordic conquests of "your" people (the Anglo Saxons - even tho there is much doubt as to whether or not any tru Anglo Saxons exist).
Good luck with that. He doesn't usually debate - just insult.
I will not sit here and let someone that stands against all that I am for call me unintelligent.
You are not unintelligent, nor uneducated. You are, however, young. While not a bad thing in itself it does mean you have a lot to learn about proper debate, not acting superior to those around you (it doesn't sit well, whether it's true or not, and here it will usually not be true) and self-control. Be calm, be patient. You'll get there.

PS: notice how he so blissfully ignores all the background information and examples I provide.
It's what he does.

[Platapus]

I don't agree with this at all. I mean really... No wait....:Kaleun_Goofy: Nevermind.
I disagree with you disagreeing with me

MODS!!!!!!!!

:D

[Sailor Steve]

MODS!!!!!!!!
Wait, whut? There's a mod for GT? Did I miss something?

[AVGWarhawk]

You make some good points, but once again you can't control your penchant for simply ripping on people without actually countering the argument, no matter how simple it may be. You keep insisting on goading people. You intellect is obvious, and your grasp of many facts is undeniable, but your sophomoric attacks reduce your points to meaningless. You're trolling again, and you're doing it intentionally. You need to stop attacking people and start talking to them.

On the other hand...

You do have tendency to post flat statements which seem to imply you know as much or more than the people you're talking to.

He's goading you intentionally. It's what trolls do. That you took his bait proves that he's good at what he does. As said, you need to ignore him.


Resorting to direct personal attacks will get you in trouble just as fast as breaking the language rules.


Good luck with that. He doesn't usually debate - just insult.

You are not unintelligent, nor uneducated. You are, however, young. While not a bad thing in itself it does mean you have a lot to learn about proper debate, not acting superior to those around you (it doesn't sit well, whether it's true or not, and here it will usually not be true) and self-control. Be calm, be patient. You'll get there.


It's what he does.

:yeah:

[krashkart]

I don't agree with this at all. I mean really... No wait....:Kaleun_Goofy: Nevermind.
I disagree with you disagreeing with me

MODS!!!!!!!!

:D


:stare: You are both right and I am wro... Oh darn it. I always get that backwards. :nope:



@AnthonyW. - Sometimes ignorance truly is bliss. Click that 'Ignore' button and get on with life, brother. :yep:

[Platapus]

:stare: You are both right and I am wro... Oh darn it. I always get that backwards. :nope:




I disagree with you agreeing.. uh, that's not right. Oh hell, I just disagree with everyone. Any one agree with me? Oh crap, that won't work either.

Anyone disagree with anyone I disagree with. Grrrr farkled again

:damn::damn:

Ok Ok Ok, I disagree with all people who disagree with me by agreeing with what I didn't say. :smug:

Glad I was able to make that clear. Are we in agreement now. ARRG I did it again! :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

What?

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/what.jpg

[Oberon]

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Site_Images/EarHorn.jpg

'ey?

[Tribesman]

You make some good points, but once again you can't control your penchant for simply ripping on people without actually countering the argument, no matter how simple it may be.
The arguement was fully countered in the first reply

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school
The arguement then had to be repeated in slightly different words as he said really thought he was smarter than everyone else in the education system from the teachers to the academic publishers and authors, which not only is an old story but is one of the most ridiculous possible.
The next point countered was a claim over a nonsensical comparison over expense.
So think again Steve, his arguements were countered right from the start and very easily at that.

BTW.....Good luck with that. He doesn't usually debate - just insult.

Come on Steve, surely your history and geography isn't as bad as his..... Anglo-Saxon Ireland:har::har::har::har::har:

[Oberon]

I blame Mel Gibson.

Anyway, neither the Angles nor the Saxons could get anywhere near Ireland (or Hibernia as it was known back then) because every time they tried someone came along and booted them out. So they left it to the Picts and Celts until le Frenchies came along. The Anglo-Normans then wedged their way into the Irish system and eventually took it over (through alliances during the inter-Irish wars). However since it was a conquest by gentlemans agreement, eventually the gentlemen died out and the mainlands power dried up into a little area about the third of the size of Northern Ireland, it stayed that way until big Henry made the Kingdom of Ireland...and after that, well, it's kinda messy through the 1500s until 1922 when Ireland officially split. Lots of bad blood which is only just being settled in some areas (and still boiling in others). So there you go. Not many Anglo-Saxons in Ireland. Though, to be honest, to someone unfamiliar with the background of the whole Anglo-Saxon era of Britain it is perhaps an easy mistake to make, if you were to ask me to get technical with American history I would probably make similar mistakes. Heck, even I didn't know about quite how the mainland wound up in charge of Ireland until I did a brief wiki search, although I'm aware of the Cromwellian war...and the bad blood behind that, which I fully understand.

However, easy way to remember, Ireland and Scotland = Picts and Celts England = Anglo-Saxons and Wales = a number of non-Anglo-Saxon kingdoms (Gwent, Powys, and others). It's not quite as simple as that in reality (there were numerous Anglo-Saxon tribes, Mercia, East Angles, etc), but if you don't want to get into the detail then that's one way to remember it.

Quite a fascinating era, one could draw a few parallels with the Roman departure from Britain with the withdrawal from Afghanistan...but that's for another topic.

Oh...I'm sorry...I did it again, a sensible answer...must be time to take my pills again... :doh:

[krashkart]

I disagree with you agreeing.. uh, that's not right. Oh hell, I just disagree with everyone. Any one agree with me? Oh crap, that won't work either.

Anyone disagree with anyone I disagree with. Grrrr farkled again

:damn::damn:

Ok Ok Ok, I disagree with all people who disagree with me by agreeing with what I didn't say. :smug:

Glad I was able to make that clear. Are we in agreement now. ARRG I did it again! :doh:


We'll just have to disagree to disagree. :O:









Furthermore, I'm on a seahorse. ;)

[Tribesman]

I blame Mel Gibson.

That is typical of you european elitists, blame hollywood because it is American, why can't you blame French cinema, after all they started it:yeah:

[AVGWarhawk]

Mel Gibson...he is from Australia right? :hmmm:

[krashkart]

That is typical of you european elitists, blame hollywood because it is American, why can't you blame French cinema, after all they started it:yeah:


We can't possibly blame the French. After all they brought us fried potato sticks and yellow mustard. :DL

Pictured: French mustard

http://img4.realsimple.com/images/food-recipes/shopping-storing/0505/frenchs-mustard_300.jpg

[Tribesman]

Mel Gibson...he is from Australia right?
No he is from NY.
Pictured: French mustard
That is a jaundiced american copy.

[Platapus]

Pictured: French mustard

http://img4.realsimple.com/images/food-recipes/shopping-storing/0505/frenchs-mustard_300.jpg

Uh that would be Freedom Mustard, Sir. As in Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

[Sailor Steve]

We'll just have to disagree to disagree. :O:
Doesn't that make you an oxymoron? :Kaleun_Goofy:

[Feuer Frei!]

Mel Gibson...he is from Australia right? :hmmm:

No he is from NY.

And thank God for that.

[Seth8530]

You make some good points, but once again you can't control your penchant for simply ripping on people without actually countering the argument, no matter how simple it may be. You keep insisting on goading people. You intellect is obvious, and your grasp of many facts is undeniable, but your sophomoric attacks reduce your points to meaningless. You're trolling again, and you're doing it intentionally. You need to stop attacking people and start talking to them.

On the other hand...

You do have tendency to post flat statements which seem to imply you know as much or more than the people you're talking to.

He's goading you intentionally. It's what trolls do. That you took his bait proves that he's good at what he does. As said, you need to ignore him.


Resorting to direct personal attacks will get you in trouble just as fast as breaking the language rules.


Good luck with that. He doesn't usually debate - just insult.

You are not unintelligent, nor uneducated. You are, however, young. While not a bad thing in itself it does mean you have a lot to learn about proper debate, not acting superior to those around you (it doesn't sit well, whether it's true or not, and here it will usually not be true) and self-control. Be calm, be patient. You'll get there.


It's what he does.
5+ for a cool head and a very balanced analysis of the situation. As for me, i personally think that we should tar and feather trolls.

[Task Force]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151290&d=1299658614
LOL, this thread was indeed derailed.