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Almost everyone knows that Iran hates USA and the rest of the western world. I my self do believe that, Iran is working 'round the clock, to get the bomb.
One day I was kind of speculating, in how Iran would attack USA using atomic bombs.
1 Using ICBM-NO? The sattelite would detect them, as soon they have left ground.
2. Try to get the parts into USA, through costumers and other security?Partially succes. Some parts may come through and some don't
3. Place atomic bombs on civilian airplane and use them as a bomb?
Could be a succes- the pilote flighs the plane toward USA as usual and when he reach a big town, e.g New York, he just take a quick turn into the city and press the button.
The number 3 option is likely the one Iran gonna use.( if they developed the atomic bomb and they really wants to attack USA)
Remember
It's just a thought.
Markus
The real question is, why the hell would they do something so stupid?
Don't get me wrong, I don't have any illusions about Iran, but even they are not this stupid.
Skybird
05-30-11, 05:30 PM
1. Iran'S threat against the West is not so much an own attack, as long as a rest of ratio rules their acting. But what means ratio to a relgious nuthead considering martyrdom of his people as their access to paradise?
2. The bigger thread from Iran going nuclear I see not in Iran using ICBMs, but in proliferating knoweldge and technology and material to somebody who is no nation and very well willing to strike nuclear against the West.
3. Israel, that is a comp0letely different game. Any speculation on such scenarios necessarily includes many parts of a gamble.
4. A small dirty bomb, build in hiding inside a Western nation - that is the most likely scenario for me - and one I am seriously concerned about.
Stealhead
05-30-11, 05:33 PM
Even if they did this they'd get removed from the map by our massive nuclear force in retaliation.They would be unable to damage any of our nuclear assets with your attack idea.
I see them trying gain power in their own region long before they ever think of directly confronting the US.Attacking with a few nukes on our cities would only insure that their entire nation would be crushed by the US.Iran would be more wise to think long term when challenging the west.
Your idea seems much more viable and useful to a terror group but useless for any nation.Iran wants to be the "super power" of the Middle East and is as much a long term threat to
Saudi Arabia and the other Western government friendly(oil) Gulf States as they are to Israel and by default the West as well.By focusing on becoming a regional power they have a better chance of marginalizing the US and the West than by trying to send some hidden nukes against us why do that when they have a chance of gaining power by other means?
A Pakistani nuclear engineer has already done what Skybird is talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3343621.stm
It will be one of those suit case jobs, more than likely it will come in a container through one of our ports because our security in our ports sucks.
IMO the real danger is that Iran can use its influence and money to tie up US with involvement elsewhere and degrade political will in the US/EU/NATO/UN to bother with intervention in the Middle East, while using their arms buildup to dictate their own conditions in the region. That's the real danger they present. Otherwise they have 0 interest in open acts of war against the US or even Israel - all they need to do is just restrict the West's political ability to act, while covertly growing their own political capital and supporting groups favourable to their cause. The armaments here are nothing more than PR material + insurance, and neither the PR nor the insurance is actually against the West. That's a show purely for a regional audience. No matter what their media yells, Iran isn't interested in being an enemy to either Israel or the US in anything but name only. Their real enemy is the Arab states, and they're not likely to miss a chance to show them up.
the_tyrant
05-30-11, 07:11 PM
I tell you, if we crush OPEC, than the whole middle east will just be a stretch of wasteland that nobody would want to go to
the middle east will lose pretty much all their power
and we get cheap gas for all!
If I were Iran, and had a bomb, the first target I would hit would be Tehran.
Blame it on an Israeli/US joint operation, and watch world opinion spin.
TheGreatHonker
05-30-11, 07:26 PM
Iran could easily smuggle a nuke in through Mexico, though it would be suicide to do so. Our first bombs would land there in under 12 hours, and by using a nuke, Israel, the UN, and possibly even Russia would get involved. Espescially Israel, they would love to see Iran taken out of the picture.
Look at Iraq. We invaded them just because Bush felt like it.
Not all Iranians hate America or the west in general, there are actually a lot of secular, peaceful Iranians. The problem is they're just represented by radicals. The Iranian people have tried to stage protests and revolts, but are always brutally cut down.
Taking a nuclear suitcase on board a plane? Not gonna happen, it'd set off every alarm from here to Timbuktu.
Going across land borders is easier, so somewhere in Western Europe is more likely to be a target. Furthermore, Irans nuclear technology is not advanced enough to build a nuclear weapon small enough to fit in a suitcase, at the moment they're in the late 1940s stage, nuclear bombs the size of a house, same as the DPRK.
A dirty bomb on the other hand, perfectly feasible and possible tactic and I'm surprised one hasn't been tried already.
Here's some watching for yas all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npLwIhmw_YE
HunterICX
05-31-11, 09:51 AM
Not all Iranians hate America or the west in general, there are actually a lot of secular, peaceful Iranians. The problem is they're just represented by radicals. The Iranian people have tried to stage protests and revolts, but are always brutally cut down.
Something that always gets overlooked in the Muslim world is that it just requires a few radical nutballs and the western people presume they're all like that.
HunterICX
Something that always gets overlooked in the Muslim world is that it just requires a few radical nutballs and the western people presume they're all like that.
HunterICX
It doesn't matter if all are nuts or not.
What matters is who is pulling the strings and what the majority can do about it.
In many cases the majority pay the price.
Iranians are good people but at the end they will have to answer for dids of its government if it does something stupid.
Iran nuke program concerns me not because some ass may push the button.
Its more of what Iran may allow itself to do to spread its influence having nuclear weapon as deterrence.
Including acts of terrorism.
Growler
05-31-11, 10:32 AM
Iran nuke program concerns me not because some ass may push the button.
Its more of what Iran may allow itself to do to spread its influence having nuclear weapon as deterrence.
Including acts of terrorism.
Not to take the piss, but... how is a nuke program in Iran any different from the nuke program in Pakistan? India? France? China? The UK? The US?
Iran isn't the only place breeding nut job leaders; some could make pretty powerful arguments about US presidents and other leaders around the world, both past and present.
Jimbuna
05-31-11, 10:41 AM
For me it would probably be a dirty bomb similar to that in the movie Peacemaker:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119874/
But not long after we'd be watching a movie with a title along the lines of 'Goodbye Iran'.
Not to take the piss, but... how is a nuke program in Iran any different from the nuke program in Pakistan? India? France? China? The UK? The US?
Iran isn't the only place breeding nut job leaders; some could make pretty powerful arguments about US presidents and other leaders around the world, both past and present.
I cant recall this nutcase leaders in US or UK or France.
Pakistan is great concern.
China can have whole thread about it.
To put it simple lets just say that democracy is somewhat a guard of sanity.
It sound naive but it seems to be true so far.
Iran is spreading Islamic revolution and calling for destruction of other nations.
We can all say that its all just crazy talk because people hardly remember what happened 10 years ago.
Yeah no one can be that crazy.
How about how US would have to deal with Iraq in 91 if Saddam Husein had nukes at the time.
Growler
05-31-11, 11:10 AM
I cant recall this nutcase leaders in US or UK or France.
Pakistan is great concern.
China can have whole thread about it.
To put it simple lets just say that democracy is somewhat a guard of sanity.
It sound naive but it seems to be true so far.
Iran is spreading Islamic revolution and calling for destruction of other nations.
We can all say that its all just crazy talk because people hardly remember what happened 10 years ago.
Yeah no one can be that crazy.
How about how US would have to deal with Iraq in 91 if Saddam Husein had nukes at the time.
My point wasn't to disagree with your angle on Iranian nutjobs, but to surface the concept that we in the West are perfectly capable of electing nut jobs, too - it's ALL a matter of perspective.
Case in point: In Iran, the nuke program is seen as staring down the devil, that is, standing up to the aggression of the West. To us in the West, the Iran program is reckless and unnecessary escalation of nuclear threat.
In our own country, some see Obama as the paragon of hope. Others see him as the apostate of the Constitution. It's all perception.
Some would argue that our usage of the atomic bomb to close WW2 proves that our leaders were nut jobs.
Jimbuna
05-31-11, 11:38 AM
This thread reminds me of this oldie:
George W. Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad meet in Tehran for peace talks following recent hostilities. As they're sat down, Bush notices three buttons on the side of his chair.
He pushes the first one and a boot comes flying out of nowhere kicking him in the shins. The Iranian president falls about laughing.
He pushes the second button and a boxing glove comes flying through the air and hits him in the face. Again the Iranian president pisses himself laughing.
He pushes the third button tentatively and another boot comes flying out of nowhere and kicks him in the balls. Eyes watering, he falls to the floor while the Iranian president struggles for air as he's laughing so hard.
Bush staggers to his feet and announces that he's going to Washington - the Iranian president will be welcome to resume talks in three days.
Three days pass and the Iranian president arrives in Washington for the talks.
As he sits down in his seat he notices three buttons on the side. Eyeing them suspiciously, he presses the first one.
Nothing happens........ Bush starts giggling.
He winces as he pushes the second one. Again, nothing.... Bush starts laughing harder.
He grimaces as he pushes the third one. Once more, nothing happens..... Bush falls out of his seat laughing.
The Iranian president gets up in a huff and announces, "I'm going back to Iran."
Gasping for air, Bush replies, "what Iran?"
kraznyi_oktjabr
05-31-11, 12:55 PM
This thread reminds me of this oldie:
George W. Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad meet in Tehran for peace talks following recent hostilities. As they're sat down, Bush notices three buttons on the side of his chair.
He pushes the first one and a boot comes flying out of nowhere kicking him in the shins. The Iranian president falls about laughing.
He pushes the second button and a boxing glove comes flying through the air and hits him in the face. Again the Iranian president pisses himself laughing.
He pushes the third button tentatively and another boot comes flying out of nowhere and kicks him in the balls. Eyes watering, he falls to the floor while the Iranian president struggles for air as he's laughing so hard.
Bush staggers to his feet and announces that he's going to Washington - the Iranian president will be welcome to resume talks in three days.
Three days pass and the Iranian president arrives in Washington for the talks.
As he sits down in his seat he notices three buttons on the side. Eyeing them suspiciously, he presses the first one.
Nothing happens........ Bush starts giggling.
He winces as he pushes the second one. Again, nothing.... Bush starts laughing harder.
He grimaces as he pushes the third one. Once more, nothing happens..... Bush falls out of his seat laughing.
The Iranian president gets up in a huff and announces, "I'm going back to Iran."
Gasping for air, Bush replies, "what Iran?"
:har:
Funny joke!
Doesn't give very good view from either: Joker (Ahmadinejad) & Lunatic (Bush). Good mix.
Tribesman
05-31-11, 01:55 PM
How about how US would have to deal with Iraq in 91 if Saddam Husein had nukes at the time.
Thats easy, invade Kuwait to throw his forces out then impose sanctions....just like they did.
Those thoughts I was speculating about, didn't come out of the nothingness. I red in a article that USA, had found prof that there where some kind of connection between, some area of the iranian army and
Al-Quada. My first thougth was
Are USA beginning to build a "tonkin-inciddent" so they have the rights to wage war against Iran.
From this I start to figure out how USA would make such a "tonkin-inciddent" I do realise that letting a bomb explode in a american city that's to far out.
It's no doubt in my mind that USA is making/building up something that gives them there rights to engage Iran.
The question is just what.
Markus
Pure speculation, of something that will not happen, the only thing, and I mean specifically the ONLY, it is that it can be in the form of cell clusters or network attacks, the rest can be forgotten.
Jimbuna
05-31-11, 04:46 PM
Thats easy, invade Kuwait to throw his forces out then impose sanctions....just like they did.
Precisely!!
TheGreatHonker
06-05-11, 12:27 AM
Something that always gets overlooked in the Muslim world is that it just requires a few radical nutballs and the western people presume they're all like that.
HunterICX
Likewise, it only takes one bad president for the rest of the world to hold a negative view of America.
Everyone hated us under Bush, and now everyone likes us under Obama (of course I'm generalizing, there will always be people who hate the United States). Nothing about the American people has changed, but the world view of us shifts with each president.
I'm not saying Obama is the greatest president or anything, but he has done a lot to improve our image among other countries.
inb4 political debate.
If any one nukes anyone, we can pretty much all kiss our asses good bye.
TLAM Strike
06-05-11, 04:21 PM
The only way for them to get a nuke over here would be to convert a passenger aircraft in to a 1 way bomber and use a false transponder to get over a target or to put it on a cargo ship and set it off in a major harbor.
Iran's level of sophistication (in both U235 refining and missile design) for developing a nuclear bomb is at the Fat Man/Little Boy stage. It will be awhile before they can put a warhead on an ICBM or a ALCM/SLCM.
Platapus
06-05-11, 04:33 PM
The only way for them to get a nuke over here would be to convert a passenger aircraft in to a 1 way bomber and use a false transponder to get over a target or to put it on a cargo ship and set it off in a major harbor.
Iran's level of sophistication (in both U235 refining and missile design) for developing a nuclear bomb is at the Fat Man/Little Boy stage. It will be awhile before they can put a warhead on an ICBM or a ALCM/SLCM.
However, this assuming that Iran is building nuclear weapons in the first place; which has not been demonstrated.
Jimbuna
06-05-11, 05:16 PM
I'm assuming that they are and my worry is they'll suck somebody like NK or China for example into giving them the means (not so much NK I suppose) to deliver a warhead in return for oil or a maritime base in the Gulf region.
Raptor1
06-05-11, 05:23 PM
If any one nukes anyone, we can pretty much all kiss our asses good bye.
Why? Assuming Iran somehow manages to deliver a nuclear weapon to some major Western population center (For whatever reason), then what? I doubt every major nuclear powers' head of government is going to start laughing maniacally and order the nukes to be launched at everyone else...probably...
I'm assuming that they are and my worry is they'll suck somebody like NK or China for example into giving them the means (not so much NK I suppose) to deliver a warhead in return for oil or a maritime base in the Gulf region.
Niether a maritime base or some oil is going to be much good if there is nuclear war, im sure even NK and China are well aware of the implications.
Jimbuna
06-05-11, 06:07 PM
Niether a maritime base or some oil is going to be much good if there is nuclear war, im sure even NK and China are well aware of the implications.
True but if they supply the means and don't keep a tight reign on the Iranians there must be a slight chance they (the Iranians) will use it.
TLAM Strike
06-05-11, 06:21 PM
Why? Assuming Iran somehow manages to deliver a nuclear weapon to some major Western population center (For whatever reason), then what? I doubt every major nuclear powers' head of government is going to start laughing maniacally and order the nukes to be launched at everyone else...probably...
Well North Korea's leader maybe... everyone else? naw...
Well North Korea's leader maybe... everyone else? naw.......and :hmmm:
Jimbuna
06-05-11, 07:13 PM
Well North Korea's leader maybe... everyone else? naw...
He'll be on a very tight 'Chinese' leash if tensions start approaching any danger levels I should imagine.
nikimcbee
06-05-11, 07:18 PM
Thats easy, invade Kuwait to throw his forces out then impose sanctions....just like they did.
Don't you mean Libya?
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