Immigration issue heating up again, Can you smell the Amnesty coming?

[Freiwillige]

A nice piece I read today that I thought I would share.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/gutless-politicians-are-broken-not-immigration-system

And this honest and well thought out piece by a border Sheriff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/opinion/13Dever.html?_r=4&ref=opinion

[Tribesman]

On the first piece the author is wrong.
The system is broken and it is a complex issue.

[mookiemookie]

Yeah the system is just fine. :roll:

http://i.imgur.com/VG2cb.jpg

[Thomen]

Yeah the system is just fine. :roll:
/snippage for big picture.


Yea.. that gave me a good laugh..

It is however extremely exaggerated and far... very far from the truth. :03:

[mookiemookie]

It is however extremely exaggerated and far... very far from the truth. :03:

How?

[Thomen]

First off, one of the deciding factors when you apply a for green card or citizenship is the country you come from, and if the country has a yearly quota.. e.g. 5000 Indian citizens per year, or 5000 Mexican etc are allowed to enter and receive a green card /citizenship per year. The includes the numbers for the green card lottery, btw.

If the quota is already filled, it will take longer, and they may be put you on a wait list. But I have yet to see anything about regular occuring waiting times for 5 - 10 years that are listed in your picture.

I received my conditional (e.g. it is limited to 2 years and is regarded as a probation so to say) green card roughly 1 year after the initial filing and 6 month after I got a work permit.

3 month before your conditional green card runs out, you can apply for a change of status, which, if you are eligible, will make your green card unconditional and you will be a permanent resident.

After being legally in the country for a minimum of 5 years and having not committed (convicted) any crimes (I don't even have a speeding or ticket) one becomes eligible to apply for American Citizenship.

I became eligible 2 years ago. I am not sure however, if I want to go down that road. ;)

[mookiemookie]

The State Department reports that some categories of Mexican immigrants who are now being processed have been waiting for visas for 18 years.

The time it takes to immigrate legally to America depends largely on what relatives an immigrant already has in the country or what kind of education and job skills the immigrant can offer. Last year, the State Department reported that 3.7 million people are waiting in line for visas. At current rates, it would take 15 years to accommodate them all.

In fact, the State Department no longer estimates how long new applicants should expect to wait for visas. In monthly bulletins, however, the State Department does report how long people now being processed have been waiting. For example, its July bulletin says several categories of people seeking family visas from Mexico applied for them in 1992 ---8212; 18 years ago.

Worse, some Filipino siblings of U.S. residents now being processed applied in 1989 ---8212; 21 years ago.

The shortest wait for any family visas now being processed is two years.

http://www.deseretnews.com/mobile/article/700049081/Long-immigration-waits-show-why-some-come-illegally.html

Sounds like a screwy system to me. I think we need to continue to reap the rewards of affordable labor but we should have a better system where people can be registered, tracked and bounced out of here toot sweet if they commit any felony. A guest worker program sounds like it would fit the bill.

[magic452]

3.7 million applicants knowing that they will have to wait 10 to 20 years, just think what that number would be if they knew that they may only have to wait 2 or 3 years.

If there weren't 11 or so million illegals here already maybe we could up the quota and speed things up a little.

We diffidently need some sort of intelligent immigration policy here.

Magic

[Dowly]

In Finland we got a pretty big problem with immigrants. It takes months to make the decisicion whether they can stay or not, they're living is paid by the taxpayers for the waiting period. And what some of these immigrants do after they've been rejected, they come back after few weeks/months and live free for the few months again.

It's getting out of hand, our sissy government needs to get it's crap together.

[kiwi_2005]

In my home town population 5000 we got 5 Asian restaurants & 4 Indian restaurants who all compet against each other in prices, I found the Japanese bakehouse which is not the cheapest place to eat but offers the best food Roast lamb or pork dinners :rock:. . Out of all that we only have one kiwi restaurant who just sells fish n chips and is still popular. Why all the food shops? We get alot of truckies, tourist passing through. We just got McDonalds open up last year so all up we got 10 food shops for a town that if you blinked while driving through you would miss it.

[Armistead]

Shut down the couple of hundred left over military bases we have leftover from the cold war and put enough of those savings closing our border down with our military...let our tax dollars work for us. Use drones to start killing kingpins, we know who they're.

Being next door doesn't give you the right to enter first. A bulk of our social programs are used for illegals....wrong.

Remove them all and wait in line, we have the laws already, time to uphold them.

[Tribesman]

In Finland we got a pretty big problem with immigrants. It takes months to make the decisicion whether they can stay or not
Do you mean asylum seekers?

[Ducimus]

Come to the USA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE


http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/illegal-immigration/3819d1180141746-mexifornia-what-california-becoming-montibello4jpg.jpghttp://www.foxnews.com/images/197673/2_23_032706_immigration1.jpg

[CaptainMattJ.]

Come to the USA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE


http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/illegal-immigration/3819d1180141746-mexifornia-what-california-becoming-montibello4jpg.jpghttp://www.foxnews.com/images/197673/2_23_032706_immigration1.jpg
Sometimes i feel like im the ONLY one who sees this and finds it unbelievable and up to your eyes in bull***t

THEY come into OUR country illegally. They are FUNDED by the mexican GOVERMENT to safely cross the border. they steal jobs, pay no income tax, most refuse to learn english, they send BILLIONS to the Mexican government every year, and bring more thugs and wannabe gangsters into the already gang hub of California. They totally and completely disobeyed our laws, our system (which does need quite a bit of refining), aren't legal citizens, and give almost nothing positive back to us.

Then, when we got something to say, were accused of racism and all of a sudden everyone backs down. Then they parade in the streets with MEXICAN flags and demand RIGHTS after they blatantly disobeyed and broke the laws of our country and refuse to become citizens at all and pay taxes.

we've gotten too soft. our country is going down the toilet because we seem to have lost the balls to stand up to anything anymore. Immigration, Corporate fat cats, some of the greedy and outrageous unions (such as the teachers of california, who are guaranteed Health care, pension, almost impossibility of firing them, and the highest paid teachers in the COUNTRY and with almost the worst ranked education system, and are now striking for more when California is broke), you name it and we have lost the balls to stand up and crack down on it.

It will be our downfall.

Oh, did i mention that illegals basically get almost free college tuition, free healthcare, and more benefits then any average, law-abiding citizen of the United states could dream of.

[Ducimus]

One more for the trade collection. This is the one that really gets me.
http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-images/montebello-hs-protest.jpg
And yes, that picture is real.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp

Of course, nothing will ever be done. The key to the problem, is something that nobody likes the idea of adjusting or changing. The whole anchor baby issue. They come here, they have their baby, who grows up to be a hispanic voter with strong ties to family and it's heritage. In the long run what will happen mexico is taking back the areas it lost from the mexican-american war, without firing a single shot, and using our own laws to do it.

Hispanic culture is deeply rooted in california now. For this state, it's a lost cause as its too late to do anything about illegal immigration. The hispanic vote is huge, and will never let anything in that regard pass.

[TorpX]

It's pretty bad in Chicago too. Remember when they had these demonstrations a few years ago? They had all these "immigrant rights" groups in Chicago marching with Mexican flags (just in case any politician thought about standing up to them). A lot of people didn't like that. The next march they had, all the Mexican flags were gone, replaced by American flags.

Of course, nothing will ever be done.

Obama and the Dems want it; they figure they will get most of their votes. If Obama thought they would vote Republican, he'd spend a trillion dollars to build a 100 ft. high wall on the border and lay a strip of mines to boot.

[Ducimus]

Neither party will do anything. If this wasn't the case, this issue would not continue to be an issue at all.

[mookiemookie]

Sometimes i feel like im the ONLY one who sees this and finds it unbelievable and up to your eyes in bull***t

THEY come into OUR country illegally. They are FUNDED by the mexican GOVERMENT to safely cross the border. they steal jobs, pay no income tax, most refuse to learn english, they send BILLIONS to the Mexican government every year, and bring more thugs and wannabe gangsters into the already gang hub of California. They totally and completely disobeyed our laws, our system (which does need quite a bit of refining), aren't legal citizens, and give almost nothing positive back to us.

Then, when we got something to say, were accused of racism and all of a sudden everyone backs down. Then they parade in the streets with MEXICAN flags and demand RIGHTS after they blatantly disobeyed and broke the laws of our country and refuse to become citizens at all and pay taxes.

we've gotten too soft. our country is going down the toilet because we seem to have lost the balls to stand up to anything anymore. Immigration, Corporate fat cats, some of the greedy and outrageous unions (such as the teachers of california, who are guaranteed Health care, pension, almost impossibility of firing them, and the highest paid teachers in the COUNTRY and with almost the worst ranked education system, and are now striking for more when California is broke), you name it and we have lost the balls to stand up and crack down on it.

It will be our downfall.

Oh, did i mention that illegals basically get almost free college tuition, free healthcare, and more benefits then any average, law-abiding citizen of the United states could dream of.

To play devil's advocate - what about the cheaper labor prices you enjoy (kick all the illegals out and then try and hire roofers or painters...heck even go out to eat at a restaurant and see how much it costs you), the sales taxes and payroll taxes they pay, and economic activity that they also bring with them?

Don't get me wrong. Things need to change. But you can't ignore those factors.

[Ducimus]

Honestly.....
It would do us as a people a world of good. It would lower the unemployment rate filling those jobs with Americans.

Ahh.. but that's the catch isn't it? Supposedly everyone feels entitled, or that doing some blue collar and/or menial labor work is somehow beneath them.

No it isn't. And this is why i think it would do us a world of good. To break that stupid bubble. Reality check is, not everybody has business going to college, because not everybody has the aptitude. The sooner we can sink that into our fat heads, the better off we'll be.

[nikimcbee]

There are some of the farming communities here that are~> 60% Hispanic/migrant worker. It is like being in Mexico here.:-? This is also a magnet state because they give anybody a drivers license:shifty: and a voter registration card.:nope::shifty:

This is a one party state, so the fix is in. It's like Chicago politik, but w/o the violent crime.

[Armistead]

Honestly.....
It would do us as a people a world of good. It would lower the unemployment rate filling those jobs with Americans.

Ahh.. but that's the catch isn't it? Supposedly everyone feels entitled, or that doing some blue collar and/or menial labor work is somehow beneath them.

No it isn't. And this is why i think it would do us a world of good. To break that stupid bubble. Reality check is, not everybody has business going to college, because not everybody has the aptitude. The sooner we can sink that into our fat heads, the better off we'll be.

You're right. As a teen I did many of these jobs, pick hay, apples, etc.. We will and will always need a low skilled class and we have one, but they're not working, the illegals have the jobs for nothing and too many entitlements...

The farm town I grew up is now like lil Mexico, the main strip you can hardly find a english sign to read.