I'm living in a mental asylum

[Skybird]

A German judge has filed a case against chancellor Merkel. Merkel said during a press conference that she was delighted by the success of the operation that klilled Bin Laden. For this, she already has taken much fire from leftists, socialists, her own party, and the churches. The judge now filed a case on basis of §140 of the German penalty law code that prohibits rewarding or approving criminal deeds against the law.

Merkel gets misquoted all the time with having said that she was delighted by the death of Bin Laden. What she in fact has said is that she way delighted that the operation was successfull that brought an end to Bin Laden.

It should be clear what she said, and how she meant it. But not so to the German Gutmenschen. Polls say that a majority group here does not like the killing of BL, and wanted a cliniclly clean arrest and court etc etc.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13355518/Merkel-wegen-Aeusserung-zum-Bin-Laden-Tod-angezeigt.html

Thought police in action again. Not only hjave you to speak and behave politcally correctly, you even have to think and feel politically correctly. And you even have to love it, you subversive racist anti-social islamophobic white supremacist German Nazi, you!

Since monday, its all discussions here in Germany how international law and legitimate legal interests of Bin Laden have been violated, and precious ally Pakistan has been offended. Germans live in a dream world, and our decadence level is amongst the most advanced in the West, increasing rapidly.

Looking for my vomitting bin.

It'S life in a mental asylum over here. And the worst of the lunatics have the helm.

[Happy Times]

A German judge has filed a case against chancellor Merkel. Merkel said during a press conference that she was delighted by the success of the operation that klilled Bin Laden. For this, she already has taken much fire from leftists, socialists, her own party, and the churches. The judge now filed a case on basis of §140 of the German penalty law code that prohibits rewarding or approving criminal deeds against the law.

Merkel gets misquoted all the time with having said that she was delighted by the death of Bin Laden. What she in fact has said is that she way delighted that the operation was successfull that brought an end to Bin Laden.

It should be clear what she said, and how she meant it. But not so to the German Gutmenschen. Polls say that a majority group here does not like the killing of BL, and wanted a cliniclly clean arrest and court etc etc.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13355518/Merkel-wegen-Aeusserung-zum-Bin-Laden-Tod-angezeigt.html

Thought police in action again. Not only hjave you to speak and behave politcally correctly, you even have to think and feel politically correctly. And you even have to love it, you subversive racist anti-social islamophobic white supremacist German Nazi, you!

Since monday, its all discussions here in Germany how international law and legitimate legal interests of Bin Laden have been violated, and precious ally Pakistan has been offended. Germans live in a dream world, and our decadence level is amongst the most advanced in the West, increasing rapidly.

Looking for my vomitting bin.

It'S life in a mental asylum over here. And the worst of the lunatics have the helm.

Hah, the same here. :haha:
Allready politicians and professors have voiced their protests against the killing and American public reactions to it.

[August]

Now you know why so few people in this country pay attention to what Europeans are saying.

[UnderseaLcpl]

And people say the slippery-slope argument against leftist political philosophy has no basis in reality.

[Herr-Berbunch]

It should be clear what she said, and how she meant it. But not so to the German Gutmenschen. Polls say that a majority group here does not like the killing of BL, and wanted a cliniclly clean arrest and court etc etc.


A clean arrest, and full judicial process? And who was to pay the millions it would cost to host such a trial, nevermind the money it would cost to hold him safe and securely - to all the raving lefty socialist-types in Germany, how big is your deficit?

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm living in a mental asylum


Yes, we all call the asylum by several names:

Earth
World
Mud ball

[claybirdd]

Bin Laden had his arrest,arrangement,trial,sentancing, and exection all in the time it takes a 5.56 round to travel across a room.

[Catfish]

Some say a proper punishment would have been to arrest him alive, and let him pass the airports security checks a hundred times a day, until the end of his life ;)

[the_tyrant]

Some say a proper punishment would have been to arrest him alive, and let him pass the airports security checks a hundred times a day, until the end of his life ;)

thats just too inhumane

[DarkFish]

Now you know why so few people in this country pay attention to what Europeans are saying.Yeah, because Skybirds' text is so objectively written:roll:

I don't know what Merkel said, but I don't believe Skybirds word on it. If whatever she said is against the law, she should be punished. If not, she will be acquitted.

I'm glad Osama is dead. He's the worst of the worst and death is probably a well deserved sentence (and that while I'm against the death penalty). I don't agree however with the way in which he was killed. America labels him as a terrorist, and suddenly they think they have the right to invade a country and assassinate someone without even notifying the government. No matter who that someone is, this is just wrong. What if Pakistan decided US citizen Mr. John Doe is a terrorist, and sent a death squad? Would that be justified?
And also, he should have been brought to trial. You are part of the West, you're supposed to be civilized. That means you shouldn't just kill people without trial. By doing things like that you merely lower yourselves to the level of Al Qaeda and the taliban and the like.

[Happy Times]

Yeah, because Skybirds' text is so objectively written:roll:

I don't know what Merkel said, but I don't believe Skybirds word on it. If whatever she said is against the law, she should be punished. If not, she will be acquitted.

I'm glad Osama is dead. He's the worst of the worst and death is probably a well deserved sentence (and that while I'm against the death penalty). I don't agree however with the way in which he was killed. America labels him as a terrorist, and suddenly they think they have the right to invade a country and assassinate someone without even notifying the government. No matter who that someone is, this is just wrong. What if Pakistan decided US citizen Mr. John Doe is a terrorist, and sent a death squad? Would that be justified?
And also, he should have been brought to trial. You are part of the West, you're supposed to be civilized. That means you shouldn't just kill people without trial. By doing things like that you merely lower yourselves to the level of Al Qaeda and the taliban and the like.

Notify Pakistan? :haha:
Pakistan sends death squads all the time, Afganistan, India, Europe..:haha:

I really trust the situational judgment of the SEALs more than yours.:O:

[August]

What if Pakistan decided US citizen Mr. John Doe is a terrorist, and sent a death squad? Would that be justified?

If a foreigner (bin Laden was not Pakistani) named John Doe, had deliberately targeted and killed over three thousand Pakistani civilians, then made videos bragging about it, and was constantly planning to kill even more Pakistani civilians while living right under the nose of the US government?

Then i'd say the US would have no real justification for complaining that someone else was forced to wipe our noses for us.

Edit: and what HT says...

[Schroeder]

@ Darkfish
I've my doubts the raiding squad would have found bin Laden in that house if the the Pakistani government had been informed before the action took place.

*Edit*
Seems I was too slow.

[Dan D]

Germany is a Christian country. Religious representatives have criticised Merkel for her celebratory response to the killing of Osama Bin Laden because from a Christian point of view you do not celebrate the death of another person.

I would not call a German catholic military bishop or a member of the central committee of German Catholics, people who have criticised Merkel for her statement, lefty-socialist types. It is more likely that those peope vote the conservative Christ-Democrats.

The complaint against Merkel raises the question whether Merkel's celebratory response is a criminal act under German law and not whether the killing of Osama Bin Laden was justified under International law.

The answer to the question if the killing of Osama Bin Laden was illegal or not you wont find in a German code of law.

[frau kaleun]

I also would have preferred to see Bin Laden arrested, brought back to the US in shackles, and tried and convicted in a court of law.

However there was never a snowball's chance in hell that he would allow himself to be taken alive, so that was not going to happen, period. I'm not gonna shed any tears over it.

[CCIP]

Personally, I see the sense in saying that "celebration" was perhaps not an appropriate reaction at all. I don't see anything to be happy about, because that's a very primitive, vengeful stance. Killing the guy isn't going to bring back the people he killed, and running around singing songs and waving banners because a guy - even a really bad guy - got a bullet in the head is, well, just a little creepy if you ask me. Or at least telling of the level of 'enlightenment' and sanity large numbers of Western people have.

I think the lawsuit is ludicrous, of course.

[Jimbuna]

@ Darkfish
I've my doubts the raiding squad would have found bin Laden in that house if the the Pakistani government had been informed before the action took place.

*Edit*
Seems I was too slow.

Slow or not your doubts are well founded IMHO.

[Rockstar]

Polls say that a majority group here does not like the killing of BL, and wanted a cliniclly clean arrest and court etc etc.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article13355518/Merkel-wegen-Aeusserung-zum-Bin-Laden-Tod-angezeigt.html




There is no such thing as a clinically clean arrest UNLESS the person being arrested is passive and permits it to happen. 99% are, you have them run the drill place the cuffs on them and it's a non-event.

But then there are those who surround themselves with armed guards who all make it publicly known they are prepared to die before they will be placed under arrest and look forward to being made a Martyr for their cause. These types of suspects will not permit the arresting officer to just simply walk up and place restraints on them and take them in to stand trial.

In order to make a clinically clean arrest the suspect must, a. permit it to happen or, b. be beat down by a superior force and if that means putting a bullet in their fekkin' head to make the arrest a clinically clean one, then so be it. It was UBL's choice not to present himself to authorities, he made it quite clear to the public he would not be passive and permit that type of clinically clean arrest to happen.

But contrary to some peoples opinions IMHO the SEALs still made a text book clinically clean arrest because they, the SEALs and others involved, all came back home alive. On the other hand that sick bastard UBL didn't, he was killed. But to bad because that's his own damn fault not ours or the arresting force.


Chancellor Merkel ought to tell that jackazz judge to pack sand too.

[Jimbuna]

THIS WASA A JOB 'WELL DONE' :rock:

[kiwi_2005]

I also would have preferred to see Bin Laden arrested, brought back to the US in shackles, and tried and convicted in a court of law.



:har: What planet are you living on Frau! That would never had happen even if he came out with his hands in the air yelling I surrender. Every sniper had a bullet with his name on it since 911 IMHO. :)

[frau kaleun]

:har: What planet are you living on Frau!

This one, which is why I assumed he would never be "brought to justice" in any other way. :)

[Gerald]

Mental asylum are,we talk about general, or particular :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Its a free country, if Moller wants to bring a complaint because he thinks its un-christian and the law allows it then that is his free choice.

[Rockstar]

This judges name wouldn't happen to be Roland from the People's Court would it?

[Skybird]

"The noble souls of Landsberg": A very bitter and somewhat sad comment (http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.php/dadgd/article/edle_seelen_in_landsberg/)(German sorry). And so very true and very typical for contemporary Germany.

No more words needed - and no words can describe how much I despise such scum anyway.

Germanys' soul is weak and shabby, the older I get, the more I become alienated from it'S people and the more I suffer from needing to live in this place. The landscapes are beautiful and romantic, but the mind is corrupted, and the culture is decadent and rotten.

Ten days ago or so a schoolboy was trampling on the head of a victim laying on the ground in a Berlin subway station, its all on camera, and he was kicking his victim almost to death and kicked and jumped right onto his head. Not even 24 hours after the arrest he was released again. I can't even shake my head anymore when reading the latest headlines from this madhouse. I just close my eyes and feel a fundamental frustration, sometimes even despair. The victim additonally to the state attorney filed a case of attempted murder. Many Gutmenschen complained about that he did not forgive his attacker instead and shut up, and that it is not a moral thing to accuse the attacker of attempted murder.

How much space is left until we have reached the possible maximum of perversion?

[Skybird]

This judges name wouldn't happen to be Roland from the People's Court would it?
No, it is "Oberstaatsanwalt" (senior state attorney?) Wilhelm Möller, Hamburg.

[CCIP]

No offense Skybird, but a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything? Sure, the case over official comments on the killing of a terrorist abroad is weighed heavily by evidence of heartless delinquent behaviours at home... b) You again sound like someone yearning for, you know, that other stereotypical German alternative to decadence and moral decay :roll:

I think noone would deny there are some serious moral problems at home, but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution. So in principle, I support the taking of authorities to account on this. Maybe it will make them mind their own business - preferably with all those problems at home - better.

[Lord Justice]

Personally, I see the sense in saying that "celebration" was perhaps not an appropriate reaction at all. I don't see anything to be happy about, because that's a very primitive, vengeful stance. Killing the guy isn't going to bring back the people he killed, and running around singing songs and waving banners because a guy - even a really bad guy - got a bullet in the head is, well, just a little creepy if you ask me.

I think the lawsuit is ludicrous, of course.Well said, not shrouding, but disclosing the brighter intellects. :up:

[Skybird]

No offense Skybird, but a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything?

Not directly related to BL, but to the Gutmenschen insanity that rules this country and that drives people like me to frustration and despair. The latest comment I linked, The npoble souls of Landsberg, illustrates that many Germans notoriously sympathise more with the perpetrators than with their victims, it is a very old, collective sin being repeated over here again and again and again, and the more shameless it is beign done the bigger the time gap to WWII. The article I just set up gives examples from German protestors against the Allied death penalties against Nazi criminals, and that it would be inhumane, while at the same time they chased counterprotestors - Jewish survivors from wiped out Jewish fam ilies - away with calls like "Juden raus", another exmaple it gives is the immense German desire to gain insight into the moral of left terrorism and to weigh interests of the RAF terrorists as higher than the interest of its victims, an attitude that is present in the wide poublic until today - a modern movie from two years ago portrayed the RAF terrorists as modern Che Guevaras who celebrated life and freedom in a wild way that one has to find understanding for - the victims of these bastard's desire for murder were misportryed, cut short, faded out, and even the portests of their reallife offsprings were not heared in Germany, and sometimes even yelled down.

Seen that way, my lament has more to do with the courtfile against Merkel over a typical Gutmenschen idiocy (even basing on wrong quoting) then you may originally have thought.

[Tribesman]

a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything?
But can't you see the link, a schoolboy got released on bail and errr....ummmmm

You again sound like someone yearning for, you know, that other stereotypical German alternative to decadence and moral decay
You cannot imply Sky is a Nazi unless he is spouting word for word third reich propoganda again.
RAF terrorists doesn't quite cut it, it should be decadent anglo-american gangster terrorbombers;) But I see what you mean about........

Germanys' soul is weak and shabby, the older I get, the more I become alienated from it'S people and the more I suffer from needing to live in this place. The landscapes are beautiful and romantic, but the mind is corrupted, and the culture is decadent and rotten.



But look on the bright side, those asylums are clearly letting the patients have internet access now, how progressive.:rotfl2:

[kranz]

But look on the bright side, those asylums are clearly letting the patients have internet access now, how progressive.:rotfl2:
made my day:up:

[Schroeder]

RAF terrorists doesn't quite cut it, it should be decadent anglo-american gangster terrorbombers;) But I see what you mean about........

RAF = Rote Armee Fraktion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction) = Red Army Faction. Not Royal Airforce.
No Anglo-American Gangsters involved.

[Happy Times]

Many people in Europe are value conservatives that think traditional values are something not to be forgotten. The Nazi card is getting old as these people are no out to kill anyone and most are definetly not anti-semites, Wilders in Holland, Soini in Finland etc..

Nationalism/Patriotism is not dangerous in itself as the socialists and liberals want to claim, the democratic process is not threatened, it is just standing in the way of their vision.

The EU is controlled by socialists and liberals that want to create a new man, new values and want to end nation states, they want the EUSSR.

Not suprising that the EU commission resembles the Soviet politburo when some half have declared to be Communists during their life.:haha:

And about Tribesman not knowing about the RAF is funny, he knew very well what Skybird ment.
Im positive they are high in his list of apreciation just next to IRA and Red Brigades.

[tater]

I have to say, the American 1st Amendment looks better and better to me (all of it).

There is something to be said for "Natural Rights" and negative language in such things. Congress shall make no law...

[Tribesman]

The EU is controlled by socialists and liberals that want to create a new man, new values and want to end nation states, they want the EUSSR.
Is it really?
so the controlling force isn't the collection of "christians" and "conservatives" who make up the biggest slice and sit in the top chair.

Nationalism/Patriotism is not dangerous in itself as the socialists and liberals want to claim,
Nationalism and patriotism isn't dangerous in itself, but no one apart from Happy Times imaginary friend claims that anyway. Its the nationalists and patriots that have a tendancy to be dangerous as they run with the flag waving loons who think people across the river are not quite human like they is.

Im positive they are high in his list of apreciation just next to IRA and Red Brigades.
Make your mind up.
Surely it is you who supposrt the IRA, after all they are flag waving nationalist patriots who believe in the ultimate supremacy of a nation state standing alone:har::har::har::har:

[Happy Times]

Is it really?
so the controlling force isn't the collection of "christians" and "conservatives" who make up the biggest slice and sit in the top chair.

You meen "EU President" Herman Van Rompuy and European People's Party, it is clearly a federalist block with liberal and socialist domination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party

Finlands "Conservative Party" belongs to the same party, their leaderships is totally federalist and liberal.

Comission leader José Manuel Barroso belongs to the same party.:haha:
Member of Social Democratic Party of Portugal and former Maoist Communist.

Barroso as a young, passionate Maoist student leader in 1976
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHv3UnXvmM


Nationalism and patriotism isn't dangerous in itself, but no one apart from Happy Times imaginary friend claims that anyway. Its the nationalists and patriots that have a tendancy to be dangerous as they run with the flag waving loons who think people across the river are not quite human like they is.

You proved my point.:up:

Make your mind up.
Surely it is you who supposrt the IRA, after all they are flag waving nationalist patriots who believe in the ultimate supremacy of a nation state standing alone:har::har::har::har:

Official Irish Republican Army :doh:

[Tribesman]

Oh I get it, your idea on conservative parties isn't the conservative parties.:rotfl2:
So if the conservatives are really the socialists then who are the socialists?

You proved my point
Yes, it isn't nationalism that is the problem, its the nationalists. Oh if only we could have nationalism without the nationalist idiots nationalism would be so nice without nationalists.
So your point was nothing and the claim you were against was an imaginary one.

Official Irish Republican Army
Lunatic nationalists, surely your favourite flag wavers.

[Happy Times]

Oh I get it, your idea on conservative parties isn't the conservative parties.:rotfl2:
So if the conservatives are really the socialists then who are the socialists?


:haha:
Here you go again, going around what i stated.


Yes, it isn't nationalism that is the problem, its the nationalists. Oh if only we could have nationalism without the nationalist idiots nationalism would be so nice without nationalists.
So your point was nothing and the claim you were against was an imaginary one.


Like a broken record.:haha:

Lunatic nationalists, surely your favourite flag wavers.



The sense that the IRA seemed to be drifting away from its conventional republican and nationalist roots into Marxism angered more traditional republicans. Many in the Official IRA later referred to the Provisional IRA as "the rosary brigade" because of what they saw as the Catholic and romantic nationalist ideology of the latter. Some radicals believed that the Irish government, MI5, and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had conspired to cultivate the split because they were afraid of another Cuba in Europe's "backyard".



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_IRA

[CaptainHaplo]

... from a Christian point of view you do not celebrate the death of another person.

Hmm - funny - what is it you think Easter is about? It celebrates the death and resurrection of Jesus. Half the celebration is about his death (thus "Good Friday") - without which there could be no redemption from sin or resurrection to also celebrate.

[MH]

Yes, it isn't nationalism that is the problem, its the nationalists. Oh if only we could have nationalism without the nationalist idiots nationalism would be so nice without nationalists.
So your point was nothing and the claim you were against was an imaginary one.
Lunatic nationalists, surely your favourite flag wavers.

So what about the -------s on the other side of the river........?
You want to educate both sides of the river or force one side of the river to accept ideas of the other side for sake of global peace.

[Happy Times]

So what about the -------s on the other side of the river........?
You want to educate both sides of the river or force one side of the river to accept ideas of the other side for sake of global peace.

Ending the "reactionary" State of Israel is in the top of the list for these "intellectuals".

[Tribesman]

Here you go again, going around what i stated.


You provided a link which says they are center-right, made up of christian democrats and conservatives and you say the conservatives are really the liberals and socilaists.
I think what you mean by conservative is a sort of crazy nationalist which would be quite like those portugese fascists barroso was against, they liked waving the flag:yep:


Like a broken record
Yes because your point was pointless so the same reply fits again and again and will always fit, nationalism is like that, it can be ridiculed in exactly the same way century after century.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_IRA
Still crazy flag waving nationalists, just like the provos were crazy flag waving nationalists and RIRA/CIRA are crazy flag waving nationalists.
You do like nationalists don't you:rotfl2:

Ending the "reactionary" State of Israel is in the top of the list for these "intellectuals".
no that is the top of the list for the arab nationalists, you like nationalism don't you.

[MH]

no that is the top of the list for the arab nationalists, you like nationalism don't you.

You mean nut jihadist.
Nationalism is weak within Arab world.
So thats why we have each side of the river and I'm very happy to have my side.
When they will reach level of my unfriendliness then ill be more friendly.

For now i don't think its good idea to play it Jesus.:D
We all remember what happened to him.

[MH]

Ending the "reactionary" State of Israel is in the top of the list for these "intellectuals".

Israel will be very peaceful place when reduced to Mea Shaarim and Kotel under Muslim supervision.
No nationalism.

[Skybird]

The following is a devastating broadside of (German-tongued) criticism against the German modern mentality, fired by one of my most favourite German writers whom I appreciate for his razorsharp tongue and his witty mind, Henryk Broder, who has Jewish and Polish roots (which does not stop him from criticising Jewish orthodox and Polish policies as well). Kind of a German equivalent to Patrick Condell, just that he covers a much wider spectrum of issues. He has regular columns and does regular contributuions for Der Tagesspiegel, Die Welt and Der Spiegel. :)

Fun to read, and very very true. And very acid.

You cowardly Germans are passive-aggressive (http://www.welt.de/debatte/henryk-m-broder/article13358429/Ihr-feigen-Deutschen-seid-passiv-aggressiv.html)

Yes we are. Not to forget we are also the worldchampion in moralising.


[Viele Deutsche] sind manisch depressiv, und das in einem Ausmaß, das auf eine Unheilbarkeit des Leidens hindeutet.

Oder um den Churchill-Satz zu variieren: Die Deutschen sind entweder für den totalen Krieg oder den totalen Frieden; die Exportweltmeister, die Weltmeister der Herzen, sind auch Branchenführer im Moralisieren. Aber die Moral, die sie produzieren, ist das reine Gewissen resozialisierter Gewalttäter, die ihre Strafe verbüßt, die Lehren aus der Geschichte gelernt, haben und nun einer Friedfertigkeit verfallen sind, die sie in Form unterlassener Hilfeleistung pflegen.

Dabei tun sie so, als wären sie überzeugte Pazifisten, sie gehen mit einem Zitat von Carl von Ossietzky schlafen und wachen mit einem Gedanken von Mahatma Gandhi auf. Aber sie sind keine Pazifisten, sondern nur faul, feige und passiv-aggressiv. Vom ständigen Gefühl der eigenen Unterlegenheit geplagt, gönnen sie anderen keine Demonstration der Überlegenheit


Good shot, Henryk! ;)


Es sind Szenen aus dem Tollhaus einer Moral, deren Verweser sich von der Wirklichkeit verabschiedet haben; sie wissen nicht einmal, wie sie gewaltbereite Jugendliche, die aus Frust Passanten ins Koma prügeln, befrieden sollen, aber im Völkerrecht, da kennen sie sich aus.

Dass es immer die Täter sind, die an ihr Gerechtigkeitsempfinden rühren Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Osama, kommt wohl daher, dass die Täter sexy, deren Opfer aber kläglich sind. Die stürzen sich schon mal aus dem 100. Stock eines Hochhauses, nur weil sie Angst vor dem Tode haben, während edle Wilde wie Osama auch in heiklen Situationen mit Sätzen wie "Wir lieben den Tod mehr als das Leben" Haltung beweisen.

[Nippelspanner]

but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Perfectly said! :up:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CCIP http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images_acpb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1658576#post1658576)
but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Originally Posted by CCIP http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images_acpb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1658576#post1658576)
but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Perfectly said! :up:


Really? Maybe not enjoying to kill, on this I would agree, but being relieved to have taken out a threat, a murderous mass murder planning new mass killings, without own casualties - what is wrong with that? It's like being relieved to have had an accident but nobody got hurt. Killing the likes of Bin Laden - for sure is a solution. And a very solid one. This is a war against religious fanatics whose preferred and primary weapon is terrorism and mass murder. We must not and we shall not regret their miserable endings. If we should have compassion, than for their victims - but that compassion is worthless if it does not motivate us to set up a determined fight against those wanting to create even more terror victims, in oder to prevent them from realising their wishes, and to take them out.

To make one thing clear once again, Merkel did not say nor meant nor expressed that she took delight from the fact of the killing itself. What she meant and by standards of German language expressed is that the was delighted by the fact that by taking out Bin Laden there is no more thread and danger projected by this man.

It needs the intention of wanting to misunderstand her words in order to describe her as dancing on the table when Bin Laden suffered death. Relief over an operation ending well, and a mass murderer beign taken out and no longer being a threat. Can't we even be relieved anymore over such an obvious thing without being demanded to endlessly relativise the criminal role of this murderer? A German radio station referred to the operation as the "killing of a 57 year old family father in Pakistan". :dead: And another became indigant over "that BL was surprised in his sleep". Such shamelessness leaves me speechless. I assume we should have send two police officers in proper formal dress, knocking at the door and handing over a writen note that he is to be arrested at 10:30 and that he please should pack some things and cloathings and then wait by the side of the street in front of his house to be picked up.


Es ist eine wunderbare Gelegenheit, den Amis das Wesen von Barbarei und Zivilisation zu erklären, den Unterschied von Rechtsstaat und Wildem Westen. Es den Cowboys und den Kulturbanausen da drüben heimzuzahlen für die Schmach von 45, die Entnazifizierung, die Umerziehung, für Hollywood, Mickey Mouse und Fast Food am Drive-in-Counter. Die sollen sich nicht so anstellen, die Amis, was sind schon 3000 Tote gegen die Verbrechen des Imperialismus? Oder auch nur die Verkehrstoten eines Jahres auf den Highways?

Allesversteher, die Selbstmordattentätern zugutehalten, dass sie gar nicht anders können, als sich in Zügen und Cafés in die Luft zu sprengen, ziehen plötzlich das Fünfte Gebot aus dem Kulturbeutel: Du sollst nicht töten! Eine gute Idee, die leider im asymmetrischen Krieg ein wenig gelitten hat.


If you can, read the German article I just linked above. I see you are in Germany, so most likely you speak German. Plenty of press quotes in there that illustrate how insane - or simply stupid? - people are over here.

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Really? Maybe not enjoying to kill, on this I would agree, but being relieved to have taken out a threat, a murderous mass murder planning new mass killings, without own casualties - what is wrong with that? It's like being relieved to have had an accident but nobody got hurt. Killing the likes of Bin Laden - for sure is a solution. And a very solid one. This is a war against religious fanatics whose preferred and primary weapon is terrorism and mass murder. We must not and we shall not regret their miserable endings. If we should have compassion, than for their victims - but that compassion is worthless if it does not motivate us to set up a determined fight against those wanting to create even more terror victims, in oder to prevent them from realising their wishes, and to take them out.

To make one thing clear once again, Merkel did not say nor meant nor expressed that she took delight from the fact of the killing itself. What she meant and by standards of German language expressed is that the was delighted by the fact that by taking out Bin Laden there is no more thread and danger projected by this man.

It needs the intention of wanting to misunderstand her words in order to describe her as dancing on the table when Bin Laden suffered death. Relief over an operation ending well, and a mass murderer beign taken out and no longer being a threat. Can't we even be relieved anymore over such an obvious thing without being demanded to endlessly relativise the criminal role of this murderer? A German radio station referred to the operation as the "killing of a 57 year old family father in Pakistan". :dead: And another became indigant over "that BL was surprised in his sleep". Such shamelessness leaves me speechless. I assume we should have send two police officers in proper formal dress, knocking at the door and handing over a writen note that he is to be arrested at 10:30 and that he please should pack some things and cloathings and then wait by the side of the street in front of his house to be picked up.



If you can, read the German article I just linked above. I see you are in Germany, so most likely you speak German. Plenty of press quotes in there that illustrate how insane - or simply stupid? - people are over here.

Well, it looks like you´re talking to me, which is a little bit funny because I do not understand why you are explaining all this to me?
Anyways:

I never said it is wrong to kill bin Laden.
I never bashed on Merkel because of her words and as a matter of fact,
I am very happy about the JPEL (Joint Priority Effect List), to hunt all those guys down, dead or alive.

All I agreed to was, and please read it more carefully this time, that it is wrong to take JOY in killing people.
I can understand peoples emotions and temper from time to time in such a delicious case. But this must not change western values.
If it does, we´re not one bit better than the guys on, for example, the JPEL.

That is my point of view.

As a sidenote. I can understand your frustration about the direction our country is going to. But I think you are seeing everything too dark to be honest. The example with the incident in Berlins Subway station is horrible indeed and no one I know can understand this stupid Judge.
But this is just one(!) case, so don´t speak about the German apocalypse yet ;)

[Penguin]

It seems that I am living in a different cell - or maybe I just get fed different pills...
Dear international community: I appeal to you to make your own picture of the country here, and not take Skybird's perception as an objective describtion of the German reality - neither should you see mine ;)

The term Gutmenschen "good humans" is a parole, mostly used by the right, to bitch about blind moralistic and PC followers - a simular american term would be "bleeding-heart liberals".

One state attorney files a claim against a statement from the Chancellor: yes, this is really the thought police in action. Last time I checked state attorneys swear an oath to the constitution - damn these sneaky lefty, socialist Gutmenschen really manage to hide well, in this particular case the guy is in the office since 15 years until he got discovered. His argumentation was solely from a christian and juristic point of view.

Then we get an example about a demonstration against "inhumanity" in Landsberg in 1951, led by an (ex-?)Nazi, by people who complain against the death penalty of people who were sentenced to death for war crimes by american military courts. Hardly Gutmenschen, but people who more want to whitewash themselves from stuff they did in the war.

Now we switch to a beating in the Berlin subway from some weeks ago:
The guy who kicked the other's head in, did get released before trial. A judge decided, that there were no reasons for detention before the trial (Untersuchungshaft). Most people complained about this decision as being unfair to the victim and that the guy should have stayed locked up untill court date. I would not call this "sympathizing with perpetrators", but well...


"Many Gutmenschen complained about that he did not forgive his attacker instead and shut up, and that it is not a moral thing to accuse the attacker of attempted murder."


If it were this many, you can certainly show us some examples, where people demand that the vic should forgive his attacker. Please show the articles, letters to the editors, opinion pieces, etc. where people state this.

Some people pointed out that the judges decision was lawful, according to the law about Untersuchungshaft, as the judge saw that the reasons for detention like dangers of flight or repetition, were no given. When people wrote this in discussion boards, a ----storm usually broke out and people were told that they sympathize with the attacker - usually by people who do not understand that Untersuchungshaft is a tool of the pre-trial, not a punishment tool. Are those people maybe the cited Gutmenschen who demand the vic's apology?

Well, then we jump to a movie about the Baader-Meinhoff group, whis is covered under freedom of art at first. The producer, a multi-millionaire and capitalist, stated in a "Stern"-interview that he does not want to educate the people. People should think on their own about the movie - that's why he did neither glorify or demonize those people.
So a movie about criminals must be moralizing and judging and be in the right lines of thought? That is something that I would call "thought police"!
Btw: the last line of the movie is "Stop seeing them as something they never were.", which was also title of the interview and the cover title of the Spiegel edition which included it. Hardly a sympathizing stance.

How does this all this mix up to a "collective sin" which is deep buried into the German soul?

Sorry Sky, these statements show the contradictions of your own worldview. On the one hand you comolain that those PC, socialistr bastards want everyone to think in line, but when people state an opinion contrary to your personal views, and think out of the box of the majority's opinion, then they get attacked as Gutmenschen?
When somebody uses a law that restricts the freedom of speech, against your personal view, then this is bad? On the other hand you like to restrict freedom of speech? So are restrictions only good as long as they are not used against you or your very own views? Same as the total freedom paradoxum you cite so much, this is the restriction of freedom paradoxum...

I've already said this in the OBL death thread: the discussion if OBL's execution is justified, how he should have been captchured, or a discussion about morality about joy about a death, is a sign that we do not live in a police state where everybody follows the government's view unconditionally. It's a sign of a pluralistic society.

Can't type anymore, gotta get back into my straitjacket...

[Tribesman]

Penguin , I don't think there are many who would take his perception as objective.
His percption is more like someone whose worries about the world have tipped him over the edge into insanity.

[Fish]

Now you know why so few people in this country pay attention to what Europeans are saying.
We are 'on par' then i assume?:yep:

[August]

We are 'on par' then i assume?:yep:

As it should be. If we all spent more time minding our own business and less of that of our friends we'd all be a lot better off.