Risks and Benefits of a Gun in the Home

[Skybird]

:Dhttp://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294.full.pdf+html (http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294.full.pdf+html)

Kind of a meta-study.


Abstract

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.

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[Rockstar]

Ahhh science, always trying to fit life in a little box.

[Jimbuna]

Whether it be beneficial or otherwise I'll let others decide but I have seen some of the occasional effects of guns in houses and I am quite happy there are non in mine.

[Skybird]

Ahhh science, always trying to fit life in a little box.

More a case of statistics, I would say. And well-done statistics are hard to argue with. Their purpose is one of two: either to assess a bigger whole that else would be beyond the researcher's ability to overwatch it in its full scope and dimension, or to find and then illustrate inherent links between items that otherwise would remain undiscovered.

[Onkel Neal]

There are risks and benefits to owning a firearm, I'm grateful I have the right to decide for myself.

[NeonSamurai]

There are risks and benefits to owning a firearm, I'm grateful I have the right to decide for myself.

Of course it is beneficial to have a true idea of what the risks & benefits are, rather then basing it on anecdotal evidence which most people seem to (which is also very vulnerable to heuristic errors and bias).

As for this study I don't have much of an opinion yet. Statistics are only as good as the data they are generated from, and the problem with meta-analyst is it is difficult to tell how good this data is, given the multiple sources.

However, logically I think they are probably right more or less, and I have never been overly convinced of the deterrent effect of posessing guns (particularly when the criminal element is also packing).

[Armistead]

I grew up for years in the country on a farm and we had guns all over the house, shotguns behind doors, in cabinets, drawers, gun racks on vehicles.
Even around age 10 it was common to get out the rifles and go into the woods and target shoot without parents or adults around, but growing up there most kids learned gun use out of the cradle.

I own several, all are locked up but one. We've had some break ins in our neighborhood. Often thought if someone broke in what good is a gun for protection if it's locked up and not loaded.
My teen son has 3 guns, locked up in his cabinet and my wife conceal carries. Not like if you wake up and see a crook standing in your door he's gonna give you that minute to wake up, unlock and load up, so that one is in the drawer beside the bed in a drawer where I rigged a push buttom lock on the side. However, I would prefer to get to my auto 12 gauge

I don't care what any study says, if a armed criminal is breaking into my home packing heat, I want the option of being able to shoot back. Comes in my house, he probably would come under
triangulated fire

[MH]

Is parson caring a gun is more likely to commit suicide with a gun or shoot his wife instead of stabbing her?
Really?

One thing is true people caring a gun should have certain amount of training because otherwise in many cases the risk may out wight the benefit.
If one want to have gun make it difficult by forcing him to go through some sort of training once in awhile.
Specially a person who don't have relevant military or civilian experience.
Because people kill not guns.

[frau kaleun]

I have me in my home, that's scary enough. :O:

[Gerald]

I have me in my home, that's scary enough. :O: Can imagine it..:03:

[Jimbuna]

I have me in my home, that's scary enough. :O:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LZ92yTgKeAQ/SNwQ0LntSeI/AAAAAAAAElY/yxdxE6qxCKQ/s400/medusa2.jpg

[Skybird]

I have me in my home, that's scary enough. :O:
Don't know if you understand German, but there is a famous sketch from German TV, it is quite a classic over here. Ugly wife and husband behind the paper sitting at the breakfast table, no word. Suddenly says she in a pathetic emotional voice:

"Als ich heute morgen aus dem Fenster sah, da graute der Morgen!"

Balks he behind the paper:

"Dem Morgen."

:har:

[frau kaleun]

Google Translate gave me some of the gist of it but I suspect it's a lot funnier than that, lol. :D

[Torplexed]

Google Translate gave me some of the gist of it but I suspect it's a lot funnier than that, lol. :D

Yes. Something was lost in the non-translation. All I'm getting from my long-lost high school Deutsch class is window and morning.

[Skybird]

The joke just can't be translated. the change of just one letter in "der", from r to m ("dem"), completely changes the meaning of ther whole sentence, totally. By meaning, she was saying "When I looked out of the window, the morning was breaking". With the changed letter and article, the meaning of the sentence the husband implied, is this: "When I looked out of the window, the morning got horrified".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYH4JKEkMk

[frau kaleun]

The joke just can't be translated.

What I got was that she wakes up and sees a new day dawning, and he wakes up and looks at her and sees a "dread Tomorrow" (as Google phrased it).

[Gerald]

Is there room for laughter now, :-?

[Torplexed]

The joke just can't be translated. the change of just one letter in "der", from r to m ("dem"), completely changes the meaning of ther whole sentence, totally. By meaning, she was saying "When I looked out of the window, the morning was breaking". With the changed letter and article, the meaning of the sentence the husband implied, is this: "When I looked out of the window, the morning got horrified".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYH4JKEkMk


Ahhh. Malapropisms. Always hilarious in the native language, but they don't travel much. I imagine a lot of the English ones fail too.

[Jimbuna]

I must admit I didn't catch the humour at all but that is probably because I learnt a little Dutch and not German.

I honestly wasn't aware the Germans were well known for their humour.

Nothing personal Sky...simply an observation from an ignorant Brit :03:

[Torplexed]

I must admit I didn't catch the humour at all but that is probably because I learnt a little Dutch and not German.

I honestly wasn't aware the Germans were well known for their humour.

Nothing personal Sky...simply an observation from an ignorant Brit :03:

Sky, like me probably, is still trying to figure out how this thread drifted from the relative merits of gun ownership to malapropisms. :hmmm:

[Gerald]

Sky, like me probably, is still trying to figure out how this thread drifted from the relative merits of gun ownership to malapropisms. :hmmm: Do you have a solution :doh:

[Torplexed]

Do you have a solution :doh:

I've been on a few forums where they use some heavy-handed moderation to keep this sort of thing from happening. It's not pleasant. :cry: If you go-off topic they prune the thread, replant the off topic part, and suddenly you're the author a new thread without realizing it.

[Gerald]

I've been on a few forums where they use some heavy-handed moderation to keep this sort of thing from happening. It's not pleasant. :cry: If you go-of topic they prune the thread and suddenly you're the author a new thread without realizing it. Well...I have no comments :roll:

[Jimbuna]

Do you have a solution :doh:

I've been on a few forums where they use some heavy-handed moderation to keep this sort of thing from happening. It's not pleasant. :cry: If you go-off topic they prune the thread, replant the off topic part, and suddenly you're the author a new thread without realizing it.

Jeebus!! Vendor would soon be feeling like a leper on a deserted island :har:

:O:

[Gerald]

Jeebus!! Vendor would soon be feeling like a leper on a deserted island :har:

:O: Behave yourself now, :wah:

[Jimbuna]

:cry:

[Gerald]

:cry: Nothing personal Jim, but your signature is becoming quite a "repetitive" :huh:

Note: It's likely that I'm too sensitive right now, sorry!

[Jimbuna]

Nothing personal Jim, but your signature is becoming quite a "repetitive" :huh:

Note: It's likely that I'm too sensitive right now, sorry!

Just hold on a minute...do you think that sig is meant as a joke and directed at you???????????????????

Well do me a favour and contact Neal because thus far he hasn't responded to my plea for help in resolving the issue.

If the above is the case then yes you are being a tad sensitive but I fully understand considering your personal circumstances and you've no need to apologise to me my friend.

According to fk and Herr Berbunch they are receiving my PM's but I am not receiving their responses.

All I can see are Visitor Messages in my Public Profile.

Edit: I should also have mentioned the fact the message is there because of my usual high volume of PM's from people asking about GWX queries and requesting of permissions and I really don't want to give anyone the impression I'm ignoring them.

[Gerald]

Just hold on a minute...do you think that sig is meant as a joke and directed at you???????????????????

Well do me a favour and contact Neal because thus far he hasn't responded to my plea for help in resolving the issue.

If the above is the case then yes you are being a tad sensitive but I fully understand considering your personal circumstances and you've no need to apologise to me my friend.

According to fk and Herr Berbunch they are receiving my PM's but I am not receiving their responses.

All I can see are Visitor Messages in my Public Profile.

Edit: I should also have mentioned the fact the message is there because of my usual high volume of PM's from people asking about GWX queries and requesting of permissions and I really don't want to give anyone the impression I'm ignoring them. "According to fk and Herr Berbunch they are receiving my PM's but I am not receiving their responses" I don't get it,if they can why not others it seems to be so, that some may not others,strange :-?

[GoldenRivet]

There are risks and benefits to owning a firearm, I'm grateful I have the right to decide for myself.

win:yeah:

[Skybird]

Drifting threads is common event in subsim's general rumble pit. And didn't I say on the first page
Enjoy the thread/t
!?

[Rockstar]

I read the statistics, informative, maybe accurate But what would be the solution to this perceived problem for those of us who don't belong in this group surveyed? Would I or anyone else have to be subject to the same laws enacted in an attempt to prevent these nitwits from shooting each other?

Darwin would approve, if idiots and morons want to off each other, let them.


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[Jimbuna]

"According to fk and Herr Berbunch they are receiving my PM's but I am not receiving their responses" I don't get it,if they can why not others it seems to be so, that some may not others,strange :-?

PM INBOX NOT WORKING!!!!

:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

[Gerald]

PM INBOX NOT WORKING!!!!

:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn: I understand what is written here above, but it seems unbelievable that you of all the thousands of members are the only one who has this error, :nope:

[Platapus]

When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[Fish In The Water]

I understand what is written here above, but it seems unbelievable that you of all the thousands of members are the only one who has this error, :nope:

Kinda makes you feel special... :O:

[Bakkels]

I must admit I didn't catch the humour at all but that is probably because I learnt a little Dutch and not German.

I honestly wasn't aware the Germans were well known for their humour.

Nothing personal Sky...simply an observation from an ignorant Brit :03:

Jim spreekt Nederlands? There's a surprise for me. How come you learnt a little Dutch Jim?

But to go ontopic; I'm glad gun ownership is very restricted here, but it's historically so much intertwined with American culture I understand banning guns there isn't applauded by a large part of the population. It seems to me it's more than just defending yourself, the fact that you can own a weapon in the US also has a symbolic function. Again, I'm glad you can't just go out and buy a weapon here, but I understand why you can in the US.

[DarkFish]

Jim spreekt Nederlands? There's a surprise for me. How come you learnt a little Dutch Jim?He lived here for a while;)

Maar ik vraag me ook af hoeveel Nederlands je nou eigenlijk spreekt, Jim. Laat eens wat zien:D

[Gerald]

Mooi land, aardige mensen, goed bier, mooie meisjes .. met lange wachttijden op de luchthaven, :yep:

[DarkFish]

Mooi land, aardige mensen, goed bier, mooie meisjes .. met lange wachttijden op de luchthaven, :yep::rotfl2::up:
Didn't know you speak some Dutch as well:) Wish I spoke some Swedish so I could say something back, but alas...

[Penguin]

Don't know if you understand German, but there is a famous sketch from German TV, it is quite a classic over here. Ugly wife and husband behind the paper sitting at the breakfast table, no word. Suddenly says she in a pathetic emotional voice:
"Als ich heute morgen aus dem Fenster sah, da graute der Morgen!"
Balks he behind the paper:
"Dem Morgen."
:har:

Was this from a Loriot sketch?

A loose translation to keep the meaning:

"When i looked out of the window, the morning broke"
"When you looked out of the window the morning broke down"


I must admit I didn't catch the humour at all but that is probably because I learnt a little Dutch and not German.

I honestly wasn't aware the Germans were well known for their humour.

Nothing personal Sky...simply an observation from an ignorant Brit :03:

Hey just because you beat us in WW2 through the deadly Slotermeyer joke, does not mean that we secretly develop our own improved jokes :O:
However you won't find good comedy in mainstream tv, here is an exception:

The history of the british monarchy, explained with the help of Playmobil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVJKVvo6w0A
Sorry it's only in German, if some people are interested, I can subtitle it.


Mooi land, aardige mensen, goed bier, mooie meisjes .. met lange wachttijden op de luchthaven, :yep:

Sorry mate, you translated something wrong, dålig/bad means slecht, not goed :O:

[DarkFish]

Sorry mate, you translated something wrong, dålig/bad means slecht, not goed :O:Zegt een mof:haha:

At least you don't disagree our girls are beautiful:yeah:

[Penguin]

Zegt een mof:haha:

At least you don't disagree our girls are beautiful:yeah:

Moffenbrew ftw! :()1:

The rest is true: nice people - when they don't drive with their caravans on the Autobahn :03: - and yummy girls, my face when I run through Holland looks like this: :o

[DarkFish]

Moffenbrew ftw! :()1:But Belgian beer owns everything:yeah:

The rest is true: nice people - when they don't drive with their caravans on the Autobahn :03:This made me LOL cause this is the exact same thing we think of Germans, nice guys as long as they don't drive in the Netherlands:haha:

[Gerald]

Was this from a Loriot sketch?

A loose translation to keep the meaning:

"When i looked out of the window, the morning broke"
"When you looked out of the window the morning broke down"




Hey just because you beat us in WW2 through the deadly Slotermeyer joke, does not mean that we secretly develop our own improved jokes :O:
However you won't find good comedy in mainstream tv, here is an exception:

The history of the british monarchy, explained with the help of Playmobil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVJKVvo6w0A
Sorry it's only in German, if some people are interested, I can subtitle it.




Sorry mate, you translated something wrong, dålig/bad means slecht, not goed :O: Yes, yes let's not be so picky here, the message seems still got through, and even Darkfish "bought" the, :DL

[Jimbuna]

Jim spreekt Nederlands? There's a surprise for me. How come you learnt a little Dutch Jim?



I speak a bit but am unable to write much at all.....two and a bit years living and working in Dordrecht.

[RickC Sniper]

It seems to me it's more than just defending yourself, the fact that you can own a weapon in the US also has a symbolic function.


Exactly.

I am a gun owner but you are correct. It is all about the freedom of choice.