What happened to kids these days?

[gimpy117]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-florida-slaying-20110422,0,4629043.story

to gang up on a kid, shoot him 3 times etc. etc...what did he do to them?

this just in...the motive Authorities believe Bargo hated the young teen because he had hit Bargo’s ex-girlfriend:nope::nope:

[Armistead]

I guess stuff like this has been happening regardless of the time, but kids do seem to be crueler This generation of kids seem so much more immature than my generation, obese and lazy, more apt to live at home into their 20's. No doubt they're desensitized with all the violence they watch to a degree.

In the end it comes down to parents, many today are friends and let kids do as they please.

My guess is the next generation will revert to the farm age if they want to eat.

In general, I hate kids...:O:

[Betonov]

... more apt to live at home into their 20's.

Hey, It's the economy :stare:

Comming home and trashing your child with a belt because you had a bad day or giving your kid a slap because he was mouthing off back at you. One is violence and one is teaching your kid who's the boss. I know which is which, everyone at subsim knows which is which, but the social services say that both are violence and it is bad for the childs development. Yes I see what pyschopat I have become because my father gave a slab around the ears when I was a brat and my father is also a menace to society with a honest job, no police record and his disquisting ability too keep quiet when necessary all because his father took him to the sheed once in a while. What violent maniacs my ancestors were, I'm surprised we're still alive. And our mothers, my my, if my dad hit me I'd run crying to mommy and she gave me another slap for making a racket.
Our hands are tied because we are supposed to talk to our children. To become friends with them, equals. It's like these children psychologists don't even know how a child thinks. Children are selfish, egocentric and how not yet learned how actions can come back to haunt you in a long run. I know I was. How am I supposed to talk to someone like that.

[Respenus]

Yes I see what pyschopat I have become because my father gave a slab around the ears when I was a brat /.../

Well Betonov, you've put it better than I ever could and I have tried many times to present the same argument. You are right, there is a difference between beating a child up because not everything is right in your head and giving him a lesson. People are animals, children more so, as they do not have the knowledge of the causality of their actions. I'm not saying every single thing needs to be beaten in, far from it, the more they can learn peacefully, the better. Yet there are times, when only the hand/stick/belt talks and I'll be damned if I'll let anyone dictate what I can and cannot do. You wish to raise my child? Be my guest, come and take him and bother me no more! (This last was a gross exaggeration, I would never give up my own child, it was merely a presentation of principle).

Oh, and God forbid teachers can say or do anything to a child, or the parent's will have the headmaster barking at them in no time. Nowadays, the school system is supposed to both raise and educate them, but God forbid they try any of those two things. It was bad when I was growing up, luckily had my parents taking an interest in the well-being of their child. I wanted for nothing, but knew it was because I worked hard at school. Today, if the prevalent mentality seems to be "Give them what they want and they'll leave us alone for a while". So, in the end, it is the economy which is partly to blame also in this regard, as parents seem to be forced to waste their time surviving, rather than bringing up the next generation. Which begs the question, how did they manage when they had to work for more than 8 hours a day and had no or very little free time or holidays to take care of things? How did they manage indeed?

[CCIP]

"These days?". I thought deadly revenge for insulting, let along hitting, a lady was considered the most chivalrous obligation for centuries :dead:

[Growler]

Modern Western Society is protecting our children to death.

[gimpy117]

"These days?". I thought deadly revenge for insulting, let along hitting, a lady was considered the most chivalrous obligation for centuries :dead:

even in the day, tricking a kid into a trap, and then ganging up on him with 2 other guys would be dishonor. they used to do things as men.

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2010/03/duel.jpg

[Armistead]

Yea, when we were kids we walked the line, our butts were open season to parents, teachers, relative, etc... I was never abused, got some good whoops from some. Now my Dad, when he spanked he did use a belt and whooped the fire out of us. Line all us kids up and await your turn. I got several I didn't deserve, but missed out on several I did. I certainly think some spanking was overdone in my generation, but it didn't ruin us.

I think kids are being taught at school that spanking is abuse and to call the cops if a parent hits today.

[AVGWarhawk]

Spare the rod and spoil the child.

[onelifecrisis]

Wow, those mugshots are something else! Look at those faces! :haha: I doubt one could find a more genetically challenged bunch of backwood inbreds.

Except maybe for our royal family. :hmmm:

[Hottentot]

Spare the rod and spoil the child.

Or as the local wisdom goes: "if they have done something bad, beat them. If they haven't done anything bad, beat them anyway because they must be planning something."

It can be difficult to find the middleground but I agree with the earlier posts. The hysteria has gone too far and the results can be seen in some sad cases. They might be minority, yes. The worst I ever got from my parents was stern conversation, yet I haven't ever had an urge to do anything like what we get to see news these days. But I still think the option should be there for the parents to use. When it's the teachers in schools that are afraid to go there, you know something is wrong in the society.

[Armistead]

I think spankings are needed when children are at a young age, pops on the butt at age 2 to some whoops around age 5. When a mind can't reason why something is bad, minor pain brings understanding with the word no.....like, don't stick your finger in a outlet.

I spanked my son maybe twice before age 8. A stern talking usually made him fall into tears. My daughter, you could spank her and she would look at you like...that didn't hurt, grounding her worked much better.

[Betonov]

Say nice twice... didnt work, say sternly twice... didnt work, hit once.

But you got to use the right force. Should be very unpleasant, a stinging feeling, not that much pain. You slap'em, not hit them with a fist. But you shouldn't damage the child, we want to teach them something, not show them the other side.

The best raised children will be those, who have both parents thinking like this. So the child doesn't go: I'll report you to social services, since both will deny having hit the child. And a slap leaves no marks.

Oh, and God forbid teachers can say or do anything to a child,
True true, in every class there's some idiot who wont stop bothering everyone and no-one can do anything about it. I know if a teacher hits my child, I'll go there and ask what happened and if it was justified I'll go home and slap him/her myself.

[Jimbuna]

Spare the rod and spoil the child.

Never felt the back of my fathers hand so I'll consider myself 'spoilt' :DL

[Growler]

Ask someone who's stood downwind if you're "spoilt." :D

[Armistead]

Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard.

I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested.

It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned.

Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

[Platapus]

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the conservative’s fault. All they preach is fear, everyone is our enemy, everyone is jealous of us, you are either with us or against us is making our kids feel that violence is the only way.

[Platapus]

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the liberal’s fault. No one wants to discipline their children, everything is about personal freedom, everything is someone else’s fault are making our kids not accept personal responsibility

[Platapus]

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the Moderate’s fault. Their position of everything in balance, post modernism, no absolute right and wrong, let’s evaluate each situation separately is making our kids too wishy washy

[onelifecrisis]

I don't have kids yet but, well, me and my girl have plans...

Anyway I'm really not sure where I stand on beatings. I certainly don't want anyone else hitting my children, that's for sure. But I'm not sure whether I should. I can't help thinking there are better ways, but that theory is yet to be tested.

It's actually illegal for a parent to hit a child here in the UK, but if I ever do decide to hit my child I won't let that law stop me. If the kid threatens to call social services there's a simple response:
"Go ahead. They'll put you in care and I won't have to deal with you doing [insert whatever bad thing they've done here]."

[Platapus]

Russell Peters :har:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

[Schroeder]

@Armistead
Job well done!:yeah:
Corporal punishment in schools and other institution has to be like a beacon for pervs to apply for those jobs.:nope:

[Growler]

Rotten kids. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auHEYhX1hJ0)

[GoldenRivet]

I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?"

her answer was simple and poignant

"Son... the world has always been a terrible place, if not more so than it is today... the difference between now and when i was a kid is than now, every little shooting, stabbing, robbery and murder makes the news. and the news has countless outlets today - whereas compared to my growing up, we didnt even own a TV until i was about 15 years old. now days, every place you look the news of something terrible happening is right in our faces. if anything the world is not getting more terrible, its just getting a lot smaller."

[Growler]

I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?"

her answer was simple and poignant

"Son... the world has always been a terrible place, if not more so than it is today... the difference between now and when i was a kid is than now, every little shooting, stabbing, robbery and murder makes the news. and the news has countless outlets today - whereas compared to my growing up, we didnt even own a TV until i was about 15 years old. now days, every place you look the news of something terrible happening is right in our faces. if anything the world is not getting more terrible, its just getting a lot smaller."

Wisdom in these words.

[Jimbuna]

Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard.

I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested.

It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned.

Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

Not condoning what you did but I will admit I may well have acted in a similar fashion.

At the very least you probably saved other children suffering the same treatment in the future.

[MaddogK]

:cool:
Too many violent video games maybe ?

[Growler]

:cool:
Too many violent video games maybe ?


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[magic452]

My two kids were very much like Armistead's.
For my son a couple of firm but not hard swats on the back side were enough. Mission accomplished, maybe had to do this three or four times when he saw little.

My daughter was immune to swats but a little time in the bedroom and you would think it was a torture chamber.

A spanking is one thing, someone used the word "beating", that is something else, no one should ever beat a child. The trick is knowing where the line is.

The punishment MUST fit the crime and every situation is different.
The idea of punishing and child is to teach the child right from wrong behavior, not to extract revenge by the parent. What works for one child might not be best for another and what works this time might not be right next time. The idea is to teach the child that there are consequences for their actions.

When I was about 9 or 10 I shot out a big window with a BB gun by accident. Two months of extra chores to pay for the window.
I learned two lessons, First windows are expressive and two always make sure you have a safe back drop when you are shooting. :know: :know:

When I was in school in the 50's corporal punishment was allowed. I felt many a ruler across the knuckles in my time. The problem with this system is it is very open to the kind of abuse that Armistead referred to and I can't say I support it today.

Magic

[Platapus]

I completely agree that kids should not be beaten like I was when I was a kid.

But the other extreme is equally wrong.

A kid should always know that the parent is CHOOSING not to hit the kid, but should never feel that the parent CAN'T hit the kid. There is a world of difference

I think that because of the over reaction of some child "protection" services that some kids are being brought up thinking that the parent can never even spank them. :nope:

[Castout]

Those kids are suffering from psychopathic tendencies. No doubt about it. They just don't have empathy and compassion in their brain to think like other normal people. What's in their head is themselves and nothing more. More and more people today are psychopathic than ever before. Largely it's the gene to be blamed. But some may have gotten the traits from environment(home or school or past traumatic experience or abuse). It's about living without moral compass and replacing it with merely desires. It's actually very easy to be like them but normal people just wouldn't want to give up their moral standard or goodness, but if you live without moral guidelines and don't believe in the goodness of goodness there's no encouragement to be a good person at all hence becoming a person without moral character becoming more likely (or susceptible for them). Because for someone to descend to such condition as moral bankruptcy he needs to have his mind cleared out of any moral compass by way of brainwashing, mostly by the life principle that he or she chose to embrace or through his environment.


Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard.

I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested.

It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned.

Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

I'm all for you for what you just described!:up:

[the_tyrant]

these people give us young people a bad name

[Rilder]

:cool:
Too many violent video games maybe ?

Nah if it wasn't for violent games and music I would of killed a couple hundred people by now. :O:

[Castout]

Nah if it wasn't for violent games and music I would of killed a couple hundred people by now. :O:

:haha: Though it may have been a joke there's some truth in that I admit.

[Tchocky]

Kids these days have always been trouble.

Adults know better and throw out more horror.

[Anthony W.]

I can tell you what happened - and I'm a teenager myself - only - I'm malcontented with my own generation.

It started with the US population being sick of 50 years going from war to war

Then - the egotistical red hat-esque groups of mothers began bragging about how smart their kids were and how successful they just knew they were going to be. The competition begins. Parents with less successful kids start making excuses for their kids behaving out of line - and eventually start believing themselves. They lessen punishments - no more woodshed.

People started telling their kids that they could do anything they wanted and be anything they wanted to be, and that they could do anything if they just TRIED - they weren't taught boundaries.

Boom - Vietnam war. Close family, friends, and relatives get drafted - and many don't return. Nobody likes that. The "you can do anything" kids begin to get skeptical about the need for war - and - not having been alive in the years of Stalin and Lenin, and the Bolsheviks - question how bad communism could be - and they got their answers from the only "non establishment" sources readily available - people like Saul Olinski and the now forgotten "progressives" of the 20s and 30s - who preach of a world where everyone is equal in every way, and nobody seems to work for anything.

These kids - with the war now over - begin having kids of their own - and pass on the all credit no work attitude.

Thats how I see it.

[Tribesman]

@onelife
It's actually illegal for a parent to hit a child here in the UK, but if I ever do decide to hit my child I won't let that law stop me.
Are you sure you know your countries laws?

@GR
I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?"

her answer was simple and poignant


Your mother was spot on:up:

@magic
The punishment MUST fit the crime and every situation is different.
The idea of punishing and child is to teach the child right from wrong behavior, not to extract revenge by the parent. What works for one child might not be best for another and what works this time might not be right next time. The idea is to teach the child that there are consequences for their actions.

It can be interesting working out new punishments to teach the children, charity shops, the fire and money seem to work best with mine.

[Platapus]

And the obligatory,

"Kids!
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Kids!
Who can understand anything they say?
Kids!
They a disobedient, disrespectful oafs!
Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers!
While we're on the subject:
Kids!
You can talk and talk till your face is blue!
Kids!
But they still just do what they want to do!
Why can't they be like we were,
Perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Kids!
I've tried to raise him the best I could
Kids! Kids!
Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons!
And while we're on the subject!
Kids! They are just impossible to control!
Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll!
Why can't they dance like we did
What's wrong with Sammy Kaye?
What's the matter with kids today!"

But would it really kill them to get a hair cut one of these days?

:D

[Feuer Frei!]

What happened to kids these days?
Easy:
Parents!

[Schroeder]

What happened to kids these days?
Easy:
Parents!
I think that might be wrong. Often it's the lack of parents because both have jobs and are never at home. :hmm2:

[Feuer Frei!]

I think that might be wrong. Often it's the lack of parents because both have jobs and are never at home. :hmm2:
Yes, i forgot about that one.
Mind you, those parents are certainly not excused, in fact quiete the reverse.
Well, i'm sure there are reasons, certainly to those that do both work, that both parents are at their jobs whilst the child is being cared for after school.
However, i can't think of 1 right now. Justifiable one that is.
What i meant by my original answer is that everything is attributal to how a child is raised. By the parent (s).
A child's future is shaped by their upbringing.
To a lesser extent their environs.
How they are raised, nurtured, respected and loved and cherished, yet disciplined and taught quantity is not quality.
It all starts at home. Everything. The root of all evil, or good, had a home. At some stage.
A good upbringing can be attributed to good and loving parents.
I use the words parents, for the exercise of this debate.
I use a child that has a home, and has at least 1 parent at home, raising the child, for the purpose of this debate.

[onelifecrisis]

@onelife

Are you sure you know your countries laws?

I'm never sure of anything. :haha: Okay, so what's the law here on hitting kids?

[Armistead]

My two kids were very much like Armistead's.
For my son a couple of firm but not hard swats on the back side were enough. Mission accomplished, maybe had to do this three or four times when he saw little.

My daughter was immune to swats but a little time in the bedroom and you would think it was a torture chamber.

A spanking is one thing, someone used the word "beating", that is something else, no one should ever beat a child. The trick is knowing where the line is.

The punishment MUST fit the crime and every situation is different.
The idea of punishing and child is to teach the child right from wrong behavior, not to extract revenge by the parent. What works for one child might not be best for another and what works this time might not be right next time. The idea is to teach the child that there are consequences for their actions.

When I was about 9 or 10 I shot out a big window with a BB gun by accident. Two months of extra chores to pay for the window.
I learned two lessons, First windows are expressive and two always make sure you have a safe back drop when you are shooting. :know: :know:

When I was in school in the 50's corporal punishment was allowed. I felt many a ruler across the knuckles in my time. The problem with this system is it is very open to the kind of abuse that Armistead referred to and I can't say I support it today.

Magic

I agree. I have no doubt my generation was spanked too much and often too hard. My father often spanked for simple mistakes kids make.

I set rules for my kids, they knew what would bring a spanking and they never got spanked for being kids. I prolly spanked both of them a total of 5 times that I can recall.

[Armistead]

I completely agree that kids should not be beaten like I was when I was a kid.

But the other extreme is equally wrong.

A kid should always know that the parent is CHOOSING not to hit the kid, but should never feel that the parent CAN'T hit the kid. There is a world of difference

I think that because of the over reaction of some child "protection" services that some kids are being brought up thinking that the parent can never even spank them. :nope:

True, often in stores you would see other kids pitching fits and moms begging and pleading, causing more fits...I would just look at my son and say.." you know what I'd do to you if you acted like that."...

I think today parents feel they need to befriend instead of parent resulting in a very immature generation of kids today. Maybe it's me, but they seem 5-8 years behind emotionally than my generation. Kids today have so much more, including my own. I never saw toys except Christmas or Birthdays. Never any junkfood, we ate 3 meals a day...Heck, I was working almost 40 hours a week when in school and my father made me pay rent. I was out on my own right out of school. Turning 18 for many of us back then was a ticket out the front door.

The job of a parent is to become not needed.

[Armistead]

:cool:
Too many violent video games maybe ?

Video games didn't exist when I was a kid, we went outside and found a stick and pretended it was a gun. We played sports, once baseball bats and gloves were things you begged for, not a new video card..

We ran around all day out in the summer sun. Most the kids in our neighborhood want to come in after 20 minutes complaining it's too hot, get a coke and sit in front of a video game.

[Platapus]

Turning 18 for many of us back then was a ticket out the front door.




Gone are the days of when the kid turned 18 it was time for them to go forth and earn thy fortune, with an emphasis on the going forth. :nope:

I was the same way, I could not wait to get out on my own. This generation, I don't know. For some of them, they see nothing wrong with leeching off the parents until they are 25 or so. Me? I would be humiliated if I had to move back in with my parents after I left. I would have worked two extra part time jobs to prevent that if necessary.

I guess it came down to pride and in some cases pride can be a good thing. I don't see that in some of the kids these days.

[Tribesman]

I'm never sure of anything. :haha: Okay, so what's the law here on hitting kids?
Well onelife, the most important question would be do you have parental rights over those kids?
If you do then you can smack them under the childrens act.
However if your smacking leaves any physical damage you get yourself open to a charge of ABH or if its serious damage you get GBH.

So you Brits can beat your brats as long as there is no noticable bruising, swelling or breaking the skin or anything more serious.

[Platapus]

So you Brits can beat your brats as long as there is no noticable bruising, swelling or breaking the skin or anything more serious.


Rubber hose and telephone books. :D

[Krauter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3uFUjWhfdE