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the_tyrant
04-15-11, 09:35 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-taxed-countries-in-the-world-2011-4#

So it seems like Americans barely pay any taxes compared to the rest of the developed world

DarkFish
04-15-11, 10:16 AM
3rd place and proud of it:woot:

Jan Kyster
04-15-11, 10:23 AM
Darned! Beaten by swedes, dutchs... and the belgiums! http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/banana_sad.gif

Fish In The Water
04-15-11, 10:45 AM
Not even in the top ten, how disappointing! :nope:

STEED
04-15-11, 10:49 AM
The UK is the true No.1

Gerald
04-15-11, 10:50 AM
Be happy for that.

STEED
04-15-11, 10:52 AM
Be happy for that.

You taking the p*ss? :rotfl2:

Gerald
04-15-11, 10:59 AM
You taking the p*ss? :rotfl2: We are at the top, we'll change the tax bill, you take mine and I'll take your's.....without retro

STEED
04-15-11, 11:07 AM
We are at the top, we'll change the tax bill, you take mine and I'll take your's.....without retro

Time that's sorted out Britain will be up for sale at this rate. :03: :)

Gerald
04-15-11, 11:16 AM
Time that's sorted out Britain will be up for sale at this rate. :03: :) I hope you Brits get relief in the tax system, Mr Cameron will give you secure benefits, :stare:

STEED
04-15-11, 11:19 AM
I hope you Brits get relief in the tax system, Mr Cameron will give you secure benefits, :stare:

I wonder who is running this country at times, Cameron or Clegg.

Clegg has been twisting Cameron's private parts....Ouch.

August
04-15-11, 11:22 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-taxed-countries-in-the-world-2011-4#

So it seems like Americans barely pay any taxes compared to the rest of the developed world

Income taxes, Federal income taxes, maybe but that isn't count State Income taxes, property taxes, excise taxes, sales taxes and all the other taxes and fees we pay.

Bakkels
04-15-11, 11:23 AM
3rd place and proud of it:woot:

Yes, we are third. But Belgium is #2? But a lot of rich people move just across the border to Belgium because of it's tax climate. Makes me wonder about the quality of that particular article. :hmmm:

Gerald
04-15-11, 11:24 AM
http://i.imgur.com/bynwY.jpg

STEED
04-15-11, 11:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/bynwY.jpg

That would be a corker if Clegg was standing behind Cammeron suggesting he's twisting his balls. :rotfl2: :up:

Cameron..We will do this and that, ouch!

Clegg..What!

Cameron..We will think about it for a while.

Clegg..Good boy.

Herr-Berbunch
04-15-11, 11:32 AM
http://ventnorblog.com/copy_images/cameron-clegg.jpg

Tax on taxes - anything on itself just isn't right!

Bilge_Rat
04-15-11, 11:35 AM
Income taxes, Federal income taxes, maybe but that isn't count State Income taxes, property taxes, excise taxes, sales taxes and all the other taxes and fees we pay.

The rate they quote for Canada (#11) includes both federal and provincial income tax.

On top of that you have to add sales tax on most purchases (around 13-15%), property taxes (around 1% of house value), various payroll taxes (another 1% up to a max of around can. $2,000 a year).

..but all our health care is FREE! :woot:

even then, you have many Hockey players who do not want to play for Canadian teams because of the higher tax bite.

Gerald
04-15-11, 11:37 AM
That would be a corker if Clegg was standing behind Cammeron suggesting he's twisting his balls. :rotfl2: :up:

Cameron..We will do this and that, ouch!

Clegg..What!

Cameron..We will think about it for a while.

Clegg..Good boy. http://i.imgur.com/dCLgv.jpg

STEED
04-15-11, 11:38 AM
http://i.imgur.com/dCLgv.jpg
:har: :har: :har: :har: :up:

August
04-15-11, 11:45 AM
..but all our health care is FREE!

Thanks for reminding me. Add another $4-600 bucks (US) per person for private health care payments.

Armistead
04-15-11, 11:53 AM
I once tracked all my taxes for a year. I'm sure we missed a few things, but after all taxes fed and state, income, property, sales, gas, etc...I paid 53% of my income. Add to that medical insurance it went to 58%, but was getting that at the time through wife working for state, so rather cheap.

But they say the middle class pay little taxes...right.

UnderseaLcpl
04-15-11, 12:00 PM
But they say the middle class pay little taxes...right.

Who says that?

the_tyrant
04-15-11, 12:15 PM
just did some quick math for the taxes in Canada


if you make 100000
27400 gets taxed away by income tax (27.4%)
13% sales tax
plus assuming you have a 500000 house (houses in canada seem to be more expensive than in the states), you will have to pay 8000$ in tax
than there is also EI (employment insurance that you have you contribute to)
and the union fees etc

so the result is, a middle class Canadian needs to pay
27400+13%*100000+8000=48400$, not including EI, pensions, union fees etc

nikimcbee
04-15-11, 12:15 PM
Income taxes, Federal income taxes, maybe but that isn't count State Income taxes, property taxes, excise taxes, sales taxes and all the other taxes and fees we pay.

:sign_yeah: I gotta write the check today:shifty:. I wish I could pay in pennies.

Penguin
04-15-11, 12:45 PM
This statistic is bull - at least if you refer to the headline: "The Most Heavily Taxed Countries In The World"
as they state themself: "These taxes may not include local taxes, municipal taxes, city taxes, or VAT. They are, as stated, statutory income tax rates."
so no real comparision is possible.
for example: the income tax I have to pay every month is only 30% of the whole sum which goes off my income. The german bureaucracy has two words for taxes: one is Steuern(taxes) - the other is Abgaben (dues, charges), both are compulsary. :-? So you don't call it taxes, but it leaves the same hole in your pocket.

On the other hand it's also what you get for your money. In the nordic countries you have high income taxes and high VAT, but not many other taxes - you don't have to pay medical insurance or pensions extra, like we do. So while it first looks like the Swedes or Danes pay much more like we do, in the end we pay the same - but the Scandinavian taxpayer gets more benefits back from the state than us Krauts.

@tyrant: you don't pay sales tax on an income - only when you spend it - and then only if you spend it for domestic goods that have no VAT exceptions :03:

nikimcbee
04-15-11, 12:56 PM
This statistic is bull - at least if you refer to the headline: "The Most Heavily Taxed Countries In The World"
as they state themself:
so no real comparision is possible.
for example: the income tax I have to pay every month is only 30% of the whole sum which goes off my income. The german bureaucracy has two words for taxes: one is Steuern(taxes) - the other is Abgaben (dues, charges), both are compulsary. :-? So you don't call it taxes, but it leaves the same hole in your pocket.

On the other hand it's also what you get for your money. In the nordic countries you have high income taxes and high VAT, but not many other taxes - you don't have to pay medical insurance or pensions extra, like we do. So while it first looks like the Swedes or Danes pay much more like we do, in the end we pay the same - but the Scandinavian taxpayer gets more benefits back from the state than us Krauts.

@tyrant: you don't pay sales tax on an income - only when you spend it - and then only if you spend it for domestic goods that have no VAT exceptions :03:

I think ore-gone plays the same game? We don't have "taxes", we do have plenty of fees!

tater
04-15-11, 01:14 PM
Below a certain income it is pretty safe to assume virtually all money is spent, so adding in sales/VAT taxes seems reasonable.

tyrant, 100 grand in Canada puts them in the top 5%—RICH, not middle class (caveat: the canadian stats page I found said that 89 grand put you in the top 5%, but the data was 2004).

;)

That's the trick. Pols say "tax the rich!" and the people hearing it think, "yeah, tax those rich bastards, not the middle class like me!" They don't realize THEY are rich to the pols.

flatsixes
04-15-11, 01:16 PM
Enjoy!
http://www.taxrates.cc/

the_tyrant
04-15-11, 01:21 PM
anyways, I still have to work on my tax calculations than

now have some fun laughing at people who fail at tax evasion!
http://www.cracked.com/article_17240_7-retarded-tax-evasion-schemes-people-are-actually-trying.html

Happy Times
04-15-11, 01:30 PM
On the other hand it's also what you get for your money. In the nordic countries you have high income taxes and high VAT, but not many other taxes - you don't have to pay medical insurance or pensions extra, like we do. So while it first looks like the Swedes or Danes pay much more like we do, in the end we pay the same - but the Scandinavian taxpayer gets more benefits back from the state than us Krauts.




What a middle income earning Finn pays from his every paycheck automatically.:doh:

29% divided as follows.

54% Communal income tax
21% State income tax
14% Pension fee
4% Church tax (Yes they have the right to tax you if you belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland.)
7% Unemployment fee and medical insurance fee.

After this comes the high VAT, gas tax, energy tax, car tax, property tax etc...

nikimcbee
04-15-11, 01:41 PM
What a middle income earning Finn pays from his every paycheck automatically.:doh:

29% divided as follows.

54% Communal income tax
21% State income tax
14% Pension fee
4% Church tax (Yes they have the right to tax you if you belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland.)
7% Unemployment fee and medical insurance fee.

After this comes the high VAT, gas tax, energy tax, car tax, property tax etc...

interesting. Church tax wtf?:dead:
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/finland-tax-rates.html

Gerald
04-15-11, 01:49 PM
The members of Church of Sweden pay church tax, which varies between municipalities, but can be as much as 2%

Penguin
04-15-11, 02:30 PM
What a middle income earning Finn pays from his every paycheck automatically.:doh:

29% divided as follows.

54% Communal income tax
21% State income tax
14% Pension fee
4% Church tax (Yes they have the right to tax you if you belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland.)
7% Unemployment fee and medical insurance fee.

After this comes the high VAT, gas tax, energy tax, car tax, property tax etc...


interesting :hmmm:., didn't know about the finnish system, I only know the swedish and a littlwe about the danish one. Though I assume that the income tax and VAT goes also towards pensions, medical and unemployment, otherwise I couldn't explain the huge difference to Germany in these areas.

Here it's about:

37% in total, divided into (may not add up to 100 for rounding reasons):

37% income tax (federal + communal)
2% "Solidarity surcharge" (for East Germany - yes, still 20 years after the reunification :x)
3.7% church charge
22.5% medical insurance
38% pension insurance
4% unemployment fee
3.5% fostering fee (for old people's care - not included in the medical)

VAT is 19% on most goods, 7% for some stuff, like groceries, train tickets or books

in the end we pay as much as the Finns, but get as much as the Americans - somehow in the worst of both (tax) worlds...:doh:

Happy Times
04-15-11, 02:34 PM
interesting. Church tax wtf?:dead:
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/finland-tax-rates.html


Finland imposes both inheritance and gift tax.. The minimum taxable amount for inheritance taxation is EUR 20,000 and for gift tax EUR 4,000. Tax rates for both inheritance and gift tax will vary from 10% to 32%, depending on who is the receiver of the inheritance or gift.

This is true and one of the most hated taxes in the country, its just plain wrong to tax something that has been allready taxed.

But want to hear the newest and craziest scheme the blood suckers have brought up?

They are thinking about taxing those that have a home that they own.
So that they wouldnt get it easier than those that live in rent or have a loan!
In top of insurance, property tax and maintenance bills.:damn:
These socialists have infiltrated the whole system, they probably dont understand the concept of owning something.

Forest and fields are now free of property tax but im sure that is the next target they will get their hands on.

I own lands that have been in the family for centuries.
Finland has allways had majority freemen as the rural population that no kings or lords were able to put in serfdom.
Now these blood thirsty byrocrats want to enslave the populace that is too stubborn and independent to their ideology.