Nuts down south...

[Wolfehunter]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-parents-airport-security-agent-frisked-6-old-20110413-084204-447.html


:nope::stare::down:

If anyone touched my daughter like that.. It would get very ugly for that person.

Those airports are criminals... I hope they sue them for sexual harassment on a minor..

I would post more but its not politically correct.. :mad:

[GoldenRivet]

I've been brewing over this today...

its quite disgusting.

I read an interesting article in an aviation magazine last week about the failings of our aviation security system in America.

like a lot things America does in this department - its being horribly mismanaged and done completely bass ackwards.

[Feuer Frei!]

I, as the parent, would have lost it, big-time!
This is uncalled for.

[Ducimus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq6GCScrO0A

edit:
Original video sans commentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo

[UnderseaLcpl]

This bothers me as well, and I'm not even a parent.

Even so.....
"This conduct is in clear violation of TSA's explicit policy not to conduct thorough pat-downs on children under the age of 13," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, said in a statement Wednesday.

If I were some insane jihadist who was willing to kill hundreds of innocent people, that is a huge loophole I would exploit. They've not been above strapping Semtex to children before, and in this application they could even have the option of removing a vacuum-sealed charge and non-magnetic detonator from the child's body after screening.

Not that I condone the TSA pat-downs of children, of course, or the way they do things in general, for that matter. There are better, less-intrusive ways to handle the situation.

[Ducimus]

If I were some insane jihadist who was willing to kill hundreds of innocent people, that is a huge loophole I would exploit. They've not been above strapping Semtex to children before,

Come on now. Be real. How many anglo saxon protestants do you see running around that are Jihadists willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake?

[TLAM Strike]

If I were some insane jihadist who was willing to kill hundreds of innocent people, that is a huge loophole I would exploit. They've not been above strapping Semtex to children before, and in this application they could even have the option of removing a vacuum-sealed charge and non-magnetic detonator from the child's body after screening.

This... :yep:

[GoldenRivet]

things come full circle.

America will be a free country again.

unfortunately several hundred thousand people will probably die the next time things come full circle (http://www.mce.k12tn.net/revolutionary_war/spirit.jpg) for our country.

we give up and give up and give up more and more and more.

and one day - i swear to God - one day we will look up and there wont be a damned thing left.

[Freiwillige]

Come on now. Be real. How many anglo saxon protestants do you see running around that are Jihadists willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake?

And there lies the real root of the problem, Because one does not wish to offend in this PC poisoned world they cant go off of stereotypes even know stereotypes exist for a reason.

I don't remember where I saw it but I saw a skit once where a group of people were walking through airport security and a bunch of taliban walked through with Ak-47's, turbine's and RPG's and they waved them through then pounced on an old lady like wolves.

[gimpy117]

"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"- Benjamin Franklin

oh how this is so true

[Krauter]

:nope:

[papa_smurf]

TSA at it again:nope:

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Come on now. Be real. How many anglo saxon protestants do you see running around that are Jihadists willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake?
Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"? I doubt terrorist would say "Yes I'm Jihadist" to airport security when questioned and I doubt even more that they would say "My Semtex is on my daughters private area".

[DarkFish]

Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"? I doubt terrorist would say "Yes I'm Jihadist" to airport security when questioned and I doubt even more that they would say "My Semtex is on my daughters private area".Exactly! Apparently the TSA had cause to examine the girl more closely. IMO there's nothing wrong with that. Drugs and weapons are just as easy to hide on a kid as on an adult.

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.

[Fish In The Water]

Funny how they used to call them 'private parts,' but now they're just 'sensitive parts...'

'Tis a brave new world we live in, hope the TSA is havin' fun! :p2:

[mookiemookie]

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.

And what happens when they invade train stations? Bus stations? Stadium parking lots? Shopping malls?

By your logic - if you don't like police brutality, don't go outside. Don't you dare get caught rolling through a stop sign or going 2 miles over the speed limit.

If you don't like e. coli contamination in your food, don't eat. If you don't like smog, don't breathe. Don't like garbage in your water? Don't drink.

The "if you don't like it, don't do it" argument is specious and ridiculous.

[Dowly]

Dont understand what's the big deal. :doh:

After seeing the video, the only thing that bugs me is the way the parents
acted. Instead of talking to the kid and maybe calming her and explaining
that it's ok and so on, they just stand there recording it and talking about a
drug test. No wonder the kid felt like she had done something wrong.

What if this said kid would have been carrying explosives? And after the damage
was done, the news would be all about how your airport security is too lax.

EDIT: Ah, the issue here is that TSA shouldn't do these type of searches on kids
under the age of 13?

[DarkFish]

And what happens when they invade train stations? Bus stations? Stadium parking lots? Shopping malls?But they don't "invade" train stations, bus stations and parking lots, do they? So what's the point, really?

By your logic - if you don't like police brutality, don't go outside. Don't you dare get caught rolling through a stop sign or going 2 miles over the speed limit.How is what the TSA did "brutality"? Did did their job. They did exactly what they're supposed to do, namely search suspect persons. If a suspect happens to be a child, should that be a reason to let her pass?

If you don't like e. coli contamination in your food, don't eat. If you don't like smog, don't breathe. Don't like garbage in your water? Don't drink.Those comparisons are just bull. You can't just not drink or not eat. You don't have a choice. Whereas you do have a choice about flying.
But if you insist on comparing it with food, I know a valid one:
If you don't want to get infected with salmonella, don't eat raw eggs.


Why the HELL should a 6 year old girl be above the law?!

[mookiemookie]

But they don't "invade" train stations, bus stations and parking lots, do they? So what's the point, really? If people don't speak out, you can be sure that's what the next stop is. Oh lookie here, they're already doing it. (http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/vipr_blockisland.shtm) What's your great idea now? Not take trains? Not drive? Just avoid transportation altogether, right?

How is what the TSA did "brutality"? Did did their job. They did exactly what they're supposed to do, namely search suspect persons. If a suspect happens to be a child, should that be a reason to let her pass? You completely missed the analogy. By the way, how many terrorists have the TSA caught in the past 10 years? Here's a hint: rhymes with "zero."

Those comparisons are just bull. You can't just not drink or not eat. You don't have a choice. Whereas you do have a choice about flying.
But if you insist on comparing it with food, I know a valid one:
If you don't want to get infected with salmonella, don't eat raw eggs.

Yeah I'll tell my boss that the little 2 day business trip to London he wants to send me on, I have to take a week long boat ride or heck, just I'll just swim. I'm sure he'll be real understanding.

Congratulations on missing the point completely. If something is wrong the answer isn't to just throw up your hands and say "oh well, guess I'm not gonna do THAT anymore", you act to change it. The whole "when they came for..." thing.


Why the HELL should a 6 year old girl be above the law?! Why the HELL should we relinquish our dignity and submit to a police state? If I'm going to be patted down, I'm going to be sure I did something to deserve being patted down for.

[DarkFish]

If people don't speak out, you can be sure that's what the next stop is.But you aren't there yet. So there's no sense to that argument at all.

You completely missed the analogy.Maybe because the analogy wasn't right in the first place.

Yeah I'll tell my boss that the little 2 day business trip to London he wants to send me on, I have to take a week long boat ride or heck, just I'll just swim. I'm sure he'll be real understanding.So if you are stopped by the UK customs to be searched, I take it you refuse and take the first plane back to the US to tell your boss those evil Brits don't let you into the country?

Congratulations on missing the point completely. If something is wrong the answer isn't to just throw up your hands and say "oh well, guess I'm not gonna do THAT anymore", you act to change it. The whole "when they came for..." thing. Congratulations on missing my point as well.
You know that if you fly you can be searched. It's just a risk you take. And if you don't want to take that risk, then I'm afraid the only option is to not fly.

Why the HELL should we relinquish our dignity and submit to a police state?Because the alternative to sometimes being frisked at airports is letting drug smugglers and terrorists into the country.

[Onkel Neal]

Sigh. This is so stupid. What's next, infant cavity searches? Because you know, terrorists could hide semtex there. :roll:

[mookiemookie]

Because the alternative to sometimes being frisked at airports is letting drug smugglers and terrorists into the country.

The TSA has never caught a terrorist. Ever. In their entire existence. Meanwhile, there's how (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458) many (http://www.gadling.com/2010/01/14/tsa-fails-to-detect-gun-at-montana-airport-may-be-replaced-by/) times (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/13193112323/new-tsa-report-every-test-gun-bomb-part-knife-got-past-screeners-some-airport.shtml) have (http://www.smartertravel.com/blogs/today-in-travel/whoops-undercover-agent-slips-gun-past-tsa.html?id=6936678) they (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/gun_slips_throu.html) missed guns and other items?

They're incompetent. Why someone would willingly submit their dignity and human rights to someone so inept just because they claim some sort of authority says a lot about that person.

[DarkFish]

The TSA has never caught a terrorist. Ever. In their entire existence. Meanwhile, there's how (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458) many (http://www.gadling.com/2010/01/14/tsa-fails-to-detect-gun-at-montana-airport-may-be-replaced-by/) times (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/13193112323/new-tsa-report-every-test-gun-bomb-part-knife-got-past-screeners-some-airport.shtml) have (http://www.smartertravel.com/blogs/today-in-travel/whoops-undercover-agent-slips-gun-past-tsa.html?id=6936678) they (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/gun_slips_throu.html) missed guns and other items?And how many drugs and weapons did they find?

They're incompetent.From what I've heard about them, I don't dispute that. The strange and ironic thing however is that usually they are under fire for being too lax. Now they finally do their job and guess what? Now the people think they're too strict:doh::nope:

Make up your minds, people of the USA.

Why someone would willingly submit their dignity and human rights to someone so inept just because they claim some sort of authority says a lot about that person.So, next time you're taking a plane you will refuse to pass TSA screening:roll: fine by me, it's not me who will be denied entrance to the plane.

[Ducimus]

Could you tell me how you distinguish "anglo saxon protestant" from "Jihadist willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake"?

You have eyes and a brain don't you? Observe what you see. It's not hard.

[GoldenRivet]

its not about race or religion... when we are down to removing tobasco sauce, and a can of soup from the flight bag of the aircraft captain - something is seriously flawed with our security concepts.

yes...

a container of tobasco sauce and a can of soup

taken

from the guy who flies the effing airplane

:nope:

the concept of security in the United States is badly flawed.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

You have eyes and a brain don't you? Observe what you see. It's not hard.
Sorry but maybe here is simple catch which I don't get... How you know from first glance persons religion? Let's assume that there is a family where both daddy and mama are jihadist terrorist. They are in holy mission where ANYTHING can be sacrificed.

Are they going to break every single rule sanctioned by Qur'an? Absolutely if it is necessary to complete holy mission.

Are they going to sacrifice their "snowflake". Absolutely if it is necessary. They have done it before (using kids as suicide bombers in Afganistan for example) and I don't see reason to not do so again, its about striking against evil America you know.

Not every muslim is ethnically from Middle East or Asia or Africa. There are also converts. Yes there are also white muslims believe it or not.

So how you know that white man and woman are not jihadist terrorist ready to do anything to harm you?

Sorry but I just don't see how I'm supposed to distinguish well trained terrorist who is ready to sacrifice absolutely everything for single holy goal from totally innocent fellow passenger. And I don't see how airport security is expected to do so either.

P.S. What "anglo saxon protestant" looks like?

[Rilder]

"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"- Benjamin Franklin

oh how this is so true

Isn't there an addition to that quote about losing both? It is a true quote in either case. :)

[mookiemookie]

Now they finally do their job and guess what? Now the people think they're too strict:doh::nope:

"Doing their job" he says. :rotfl2: More like security theatre. The TSA is a bloated bureaucracy whose only concern is its level of funding from one year to the next. It's a show to prove to the gullible that they're relevant and necessary.

Patting people down does nothing to make anyone any safer. Enough people buy the story that this sort of thing is necessary and effective and they believe the only alternative to being accosted on your way through airport security is to let terrorists roam free. It's a false choice. But the TSA doesn't want you to know that - their survival as an entity relies on people believing "oh well if you say it's for my own protection, why sure!" But the fact is they're giving up their rights and are no more secure.

Where does it end? When does it get to the point where people say "no more!" Because that's the only way it's going to stop. I see you've conveniently glossed over the fact that they're spreading out and assaulting train passengers too now. What's your answer when people have to pass through a TSA checkpoint and have your "freedom scan" a.k.a. colonoscopy at the end of your street before you can drive to work? Don't drive?

So, next time you're taking a plane you will refuse to pass TSA screening fine by me, it's not me who will be denied entrance to the plane. And then there are the sheep who buy into it and give up their rights because the man with the cereal box badge assures them it makes them safer. :roll: BAA! I don't know how they do it in the Netherlands, but here in the States there are still enough of us who get pissed off when we're treated like criminals instead of citizens.

[Ducimus]

kraznyi_oktjabr,

Your in Finland man. Your not from here. There are certain cultural quirks you'd pick up on if you understood. My initial statement, while i believe a statement of fact where i was intentionaly blunt, was at the same time a parody of cultural quirks here, in and of itself.

edit:

I'll illustrate this for you.

"How many anglo saxon protestants (http://blackchristiannews.com/news/images/christian_nation.jpg) do you see running around that are Jihadists willing to strap Semtex to their precious snowflake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4)? "

[Rilder]

I'm betting all the Extremists (Of Muslim and Non Muslim Varieties) are all sitting at home laughing their asses off at the passengers getting groped, after all they successfully made the public too scared to fly on a plane unless every person on board has been molested.

[Reece]

Exactly! Apparently the TSA had cause to examine the girl more closely. IMO there's nothing wrong with that. Drugs and weapons are just as easy to hide on a kid as on an adult.

Don't want the risk of being frisked? Don't fly.
The 6 y.o. girl didn't have much say in the matter!:doh: the least they could have done is had a "female only" doing child frisks!:oops:

[Sledgehammer427]

I'm betting all the Extremists (Of Muslim and Non Muslim Varieties) are all sitting at home laughing their asses off at the passengers getting groped, after all they successfully made the public too scared to fly on a plane unless every person on board has been molested.
:sign_yeah:
They have technically won.

[Falkirion]

This is why the TSA should be shut down. I agree airport security needs to be there to stop individuals from getting on to a plane but frisking a 6 year old at random for illegal goods steps over the common sense line somewhat. It's just plain wrong if you ask me.

I will concede that there are people in this world who'd exploit the loophole in TSA policy but those individuals would have to be few and far between.

[Wolfehunter]

"Doing their job" he says. :rotfl2: More like security theatre. The TSA is a bloated bureaucracy whose only concern is its level of funding from one year to the next. It's a show to prove to the gullible that they're relevant and necessary.

Patting people down does nothing to make anyone any safer. Enough people buy the story that this sort of thing is necessary and effective and they believe the only alternative to being accosted on your way through airport security is to let terrorists roam free. It's a false choice. But the TSA doesn't want you to know that - their survival as an entity relies on people believing "oh well if you say it's for my own protection, why sure!" But the fact is they're giving up their rights and are no more secure.

Where does it end? When does it get to the point where people say "no more!" Because that's the only way it's going to stop. I see you've conveniently glossed over the fact that they're spreading out and assaulting train passengers too now. What's your answer when people have to pass through a TSA checkpoint and have your "freedom scan" a.k.a. colonoscopy at the end of your street before you can drive to work? Don't drive?

And then there are the sheep who buy into it and give up their rights because the man with the cereal box badge assures them it makes them safer. :roll: BAA! I don't know how they do it in the Netherlands, but here in the States there are still enough of us who get pissed off when we're treated like criminals instead of citizens.Agreed. :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

I think I would have started to cry if that same woman was giving me the search. :o

[tater]

The TSA is idiotic. It is designed (poorly) to detect explosives, weapons, etc. This is always a losing battle, and involves crap like this idiotic pat down.

What does El Al do? Do they screen for weapons? Nope. The Israelis screen for terrorists. Huge difference. They talk to people. They aks them questions. They screen people. This results in a little more time, but it's actually looking past stereotypes.

It was on This American Life, or maybe Freakanomics, but they told a story about a young Israeli girl (somehow related to the podcast) on her first trip away from her country. During screening the screener asks her if she has any lethal weapons. Smart aleck teenager that she was she said "other than my wit, nothing." Screener sent her to the boarding area immediately, he knew she was no terrorist. Other times, same woman was questioned for a while on topics totally unrelated to terrorism for a while.

Anyway, looking for terrorists makes more sense than patting people down, particularly with cockpits locked now.