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Feuer Frei!
04-12-11, 07:32 AM
It is a fearsome array of weapons including a Kalashnikov, Uzi sub-machine gun, shotguns and pistols.
Packing enough fire-power to impress even the most ardent NRA activist, this astonishing arsenal did not belong to a gang of organised criminals, but formed part of the private collection of an over enthusiastic British grocery store owner.
Despite it being illegal to own a hand gun or automatic fire weapon in the UK, David Evans claimed he bought replica weapons to use for ‘war games’ in his loft, where he kitted out mannequins with imitation guns to recreate scenes from war movies such as Saving Private Ryan.
But yesterday the self-confessed gun ‘fanatic’ was starting a 16-year jail term after being convicted of a total of 29 charges of possessing and transferring the weapons to two brothers who are already behind bars.
Evans’s haul, which at one point was stored in a cardboard box kept on top of an industrial-sized fridge at his business premises, included American and Israeli military-issue machine guns – some so state-of-the-art that they are issued only to special forces.
A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets.
Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.
The gun fanatic had been banned from owning guns after he was jailed for three years in 2005 for posting an illegal firearm to a legitimate dealer in Scotland.
He told officers: ‘It might sound a bit sad but in my loft I had some mannequins which I dressed as German soldiers, American soldiers – but obviously I had no guns.
Officers who seized the cache of 16 deadly guns initially feared they may have been stored on behalf of a far-Right group such as the English Defence League.
Wolverhampton Crown Court heard that in late 2009, as his marriage crumbled and his business ran into difficulties, Evans asked friend Daniel Thatcher, a 25-year-old mechanic, to store the weapons.
Thatcher, who lived with his parents, passed five of the weapons to his brother, Lee, 29.
The weapons haul came to light when police arrested Daniel Thatcher on an unrelated matter and found a 9mm Uzi and a 9mm pistol and cartridges under his bed.
Detective Inspector Gary Dring said: ‘If word had got out that there were unsecured guns... they may have been stolen by criminals and I dread to think what could have happened.’
The Thatcher brothers each admitted possession of firearms and ammunition last September. Daniel Thatcher was jailed for three years and eight months. His brother received a 15-month sentence.

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SOURCE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374728/Saving-Private-Ryan-fan-David-Evans-used-military-issue-arsenal-recreate-battles-attic.html)

The article mentions replica guns.
To me that means non-firing weapons/toys. Replica meaning copy, not real.
Imitation meaning not real.
*shrugs shoulders*

Jimbuna
04-12-11, 07:36 AM
Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons.

TLAM Strike
04-12-11, 07:44 AM
Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons. You know what they say about outlawing guns.

...also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.
What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo? :doh:

Feuer Frei!
04-12-11, 07:53 AM
What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo? :doh:
You tell me, i'm just copy/pasta-ing the article.

Weiss Pinguin
04-12-11, 08:22 AM
Well, replica doesn't necessarily mean that it's just a model. It just means that it's not the original ;)

A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets.
Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.
Hah :haha:

antikristuseke
04-12-11, 09:45 AM
Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons.

It jsut denonstrates that firearms bans do not really work at geting guns away from those who want to obtain them. Personally i tould take me about an hour to obtain a fully automatic ak-74 with a few hundred rounds of ammo, most of that would invole just time it take for me to travel.
That being said though, the culture play more part in violent crime and what types of weapons are used, for example in Estonia we have a fairly high murder rate, but guns are rarely used, even though easily obtainable.

ajrimmer42
04-12-11, 09:50 AM
What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo? :doh:

lol, I was wondering that too, I presume they meant to put 'MP5s'.

August
04-12-11, 11:12 AM
Well, replica doesn't necessarily mean that it's just a model. It just means that it's not the original ;)

I disagree. An AK-47 is still an AK-47 regardless of when or where it's manufactured.

Fish In The Water
04-12-11, 11:19 AM
Thatcher, who lived with his parents...


Well, if I still had to live with my parents I'd probably be 'driven' to collect guns as well... :O:

Capt. Morgan
04-12-11, 11:25 AM
It jsut denonstrates that firearms bans do not really work at geting guns away from those who want to obtain them. ...

It does however go a long way to reducing the incidents of people getting their heads blown off over fender-benders, etc.

August
04-12-11, 11:43 AM
It does however go a long way to reducing the incidents of people getting their heads blown off over fender-benders, etc.

It does? Anything besides gut feelings to back up that statement?

TLAM Strike
04-12-11, 11:51 AM
I disagree. An AK-47 is still an AK-47 regardless of when or where it's manufactured.

Not if its made in China then its a Type 56. :O:

Schroeder
04-12-11, 01:40 PM
What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo? :doh:
Never heard of that either, I know that some GDR police forces got issued StG44 after the war however. Maybe the author confused that.

August
04-12-11, 02:22 PM
Not if its made in China then its a Type 56. :O:


IIRC there are a few differences between the AK and the T-56. Pressed barrel vs threaded for example but generally you are correct.

Garion
04-12-11, 03:37 PM
Never heard of that either, I know that some GDR police forces got issued StG44 after the war however. Maybe the author confused that.

Schmeisser MachinePistole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_40

I had a replica of the MP40 back in the early 1970's yoo could order them online or buy over the counter.

Cheers

Garion

Jimbuna
04-12-11, 05:57 PM
lol, I was wondering that too, I presume they meant to put 'MP5s'.

Most definitely....the Heckler and Koch MP5 is what most of the firearms details are trained to use....no automatic mode though.

Used to be a common frustration in my days.

http://www.topguntours.co.uk/Guns/Resources/hkmp5.jpeg

Capt. Morgan
04-13-11, 09:44 AM
It does? Anything besides gut feelings to back up that statement?

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm

Schroeder
04-13-11, 11:01 AM
Schmeisser MachinePistole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_40

I had a replica of the MP40 back in the early 1970's yoo could order them online or buy over the counter.

Cheers

Garion
I meant that I had never heard of it being issued to police forces. I know the MP 40 of course (Hey, I'm German:O:).

August
04-13-11, 11:10 AM
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm

That's just list general causes of death. It does not prove your point.

Garion
04-13-11, 11:51 AM
I meant that I had never heard of it being issued to police forces. I know the MP 40 of course (Hey, I'm German:O:).


OOPS! My Bad :salute:
In my defence I had cosumed a number of beerz before I posted :woot:
Cheers

Garion

Capt. Morgan
04-13-11, 11:52 AM
That's just list general causes of death. It does not prove your point.

Actually it's a fairly specific and detailed Article (not just a list) on the causes of gun-deaths, which suggests to me that a lot fewer would happen if the things weren't just laying around, providing easy access in times of stress (which is kind of obvious).

But yes, that is just my oppinion, worth no more or less than your own.

Armistead
04-13-11, 12:48 PM
I'm stressed and have loaded guns....but I'll let someone else start the revolution...:woot:

DarkFish
04-13-11, 01:00 PM
back in the early 1970's yoo could order them onlineWait, what?!:timeout: You could order guns online before the internet even existed?

Jimbuna
04-13-11, 01:54 PM
Wait, what?!:timeout: You could order guns online before the internet even existed?

Perhaps he meant a 'telephone' line :DL

August
04-13-11, 01:57 PM
But yes, that is just my oppinion, worth no more or less than your own.


Exactly. Unfortunately most anti-gun legislation is based on opinions rather than facts.

Garion
04-13-11, 04:27 PM
Perhaps he meant a 'telephone' line :DL

What I meant was yoo could order them over the phone line from catalogs.. sigh... The Demon Drink strikes again :O:

Cheers

Garion

UnderseaLcpl
04-14-11, 01:27 AM
Exactly. Unfortunately most anti-gun legislation is based on opinions rather than facts.

:yep::yep::yep:

Jimbuna
04-14-11, 06:58 AM
What I meant was yoo could order them over the phone line from catalogs.. sigh... The Demon Drink strikes again :O:

Cheers

Garion

Soooooo I was correct :smug:

Garion
04-14-11, 10:09 AM
Soooooo I was correct :smug:


Yup :D

Cheers

Garion