"American workers got what they deserved"

[gimpy117]

A nice article from a local paper, just about 60 miles from here. Nice city.

but anyways, Poignant information. Might be more of a statement, but what he says still has truth to it.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/opinions/x13292164/COLUMN-American-workers-got-what-they-deserved

[August]

but what she says still has truth to it.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/opinions/x13292164/COLUMN-American-workers-got-what-they-deserved


Ray Buursma is a he not a she.

and

Yet you continue to elect leaders who offer nothing but tax cuts, as if that would stem the flow of disappearing jobs.

Apples and oranges. Withholding those tax cuts would not have prevented those jobs from moving overseas.

[Betonov]

This is international, not just american.
Try living in a former communist state, when everyone thinks the goverment will provide like it did 30 years ago.

[gimpy117]

Ray Buursma is a he not a she.

and



wow august...i have a typo and you go for the jugular. you went from 0-kill it with fire pretty darn fast

also, fixed

[August]

wow august...i have a typo and you go for the jugular. you went from 0-kill it with fire pretty darn fast

also, fixed


Typo? The S is nowhere near the H on my keyboard but then again i'm a greedy evil conservative. Your liberal keyboards are probably laid out differently. :DL

I'd be far more interested in reading your response to the rest of my post however.

Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

[Growler]

Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

Higher taxes save jobs?

No wonder we've been doing it wrong.

[gimpy117]

Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

if they were tariffs and duties yes

[Skybird]

I hear a brother-in-soul complaining in that article, it reminds me of what I have written in the past about establishments and keeping their self-tailored rules alive by constantly pledging loyalty to them and voting for them even when voting for a different party - the system they live by you nevertheless legitimise by parcticipating in it - the vote actually have given, is almost not important.

It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself.

Beotonov is right, what the article says in principal is nothing limited to Americans, but describes basic mechanism at work in Europe as well. It is something international, not something American.

[AVGWarhawk]

Welcome to "Global Economy 101". Every worker around the world is encouraged to kick their own arse as often as they like or until outsourced.....:DL

[Platapus]

I have not been able to find a bio for Ray Buursma. What is his education concerning economics and what is his experience?

In short, why would I pay any more attention to his opinions than I would anyone else's here in the GT?

His article was not written in any scholarly way that would give me, as the reader, any confidence in his credibility.

So to Mr. Buursma, thanks for posting your opinion, but if you were trying to persuade or educate me, you failed. :nope:

I sure hope the Holland Sentential did not pay him for this.

[Skybird]

The author has not claimed to have produced an academic paper. What he did is giving a chain of thoughts.

Let's be pragmatic. So what decides the worth of it is not his repuation so much, but whether it makes sense or not what he tries to argue. To me, he is just pointing out the obvious.

And plain sane reason sometimes is of more value than the alternative realaties the academic spirit can get itself entangled in - in quite often in modern times, it seems to me, because the scientific business community is being haunted by corruption itself.

[August]

if they were tariffs and duties yes

That's debatable but the author wasn't talking about tariffs and duties.

[Growler]

I'm still waiting for the answer to my question. How does higher taxes create jobs?

When it costs more to do business, the consumer ALWAYS foots the bill.

[MaddogK]

Like tariffs would work.

These foreign companies have skirted this for years- they move here and produce overseas, then ship it back here as they're 'domestic', they're NOT importing nuthin if the company headquarters are HERE.

Suckers.

[August]

Like tariffs would work..

Right. Tariffs and duties weren't working which is why they went with this free trade business.

[TorpX]

It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself.

I agree. Americans are unhappy with the results of high taxes, over regulation and wasteful gov't spending, but many nevertheless vote for bigger gov't and more programs/spending. It seems an almost psychotic inability to correlate actions with their results.

I am frequently reminded of a quote these days by Arnold J. Toynbee (not exact words): great civilizations do not die by natural causes; they commit suicide.

[UnderseaLcpl]

First, hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs went overseas while the politicians you elected did nothing to stop them. Yet you continue to elect leaders who offer nothing but tax cuts, as if that would stem the flow of disappearing jobs.

He didn't offend me by calling me stupid or lazy. I regularly indulge in being both stupid and lazy. They are pastimes I enjoy.

Similarly, I am not offended by his very correct assertion that we are reaping exactly what we have sown by placing our faith in politicians.

What does offend me is that this ignorant ****er presumes to school the laws of supply and demand. As if a wise choice of politicians would somehow affect them.

Let's just assume for a moment that the entirety of congress was staffed by angelic souls who only tried to protect and improve American jobs. The assumption does not require a stretch of the imagination, as this is largely what congress does anyway, albeit inefficiently.

So now we have all these protected American jobs and happy workers and all that fluffy-bunny ****. They're all making products and earning wages for doing so. But who the ******* is going to buy those products? Who is going to pay the price necessitated by the wage demanded by American manufacturers? Nobody.

Nobody wants our overpriced crap when they can easily purchase the same product elsewhere for less, which is precisely why we don't have a manufacturing industry anymore, comparatively speaking. Decades of political initiatives and billions of dollars haven't saved US industry, because they're all a joke. Wasted capital spent to buy votes. The economy is not a product of political policy, (save where it is impaired by it) and political policy can't control it, no matter how much we'd like to believe it.

And now this ass-backwards mother****** comes along and tries to blame the American populace for not fixing US industry by selecting proper politicians, claiming that he knows anything about economics to boot? And he advocates unions as a solution? What the bleeding hell?

Oh, wait, I forgot, there's plenty of wealth to go around for everyone. Why bother with trivialities like economics when we have such enlightened commentators to tell us how it should be? After all, they'd know, given their vast experience. Personally, I can't think of a better way to create good jobs than to listen to a guy who has never created one for anyone other than himself.

It's not all bad, though. Despite the incredibly ironic whining of idiots like this guy, who think that policy and politicians are somehow going to save us from the mess they made in the first place, the global economy marches on. Luckily, we're still an enormous country with vast economic potential and a commanding monopsony over the world market. If we'd just frakking realize that and take advantage of it, we'd be set. But instead, we have fools like this guy poisoning our economic reality with pipe-dreams of factory jobs and white picket fences and all that stupid BS. We're in a competitive global market now, and we do not have the luxury of entertaining these idiotic views. We're in the Red Queen's race, where we must run to stay in the same place, and run even faster if we want to get anywhere.