U.N. Workers Killed by Afghan Mob

[Gerald]

KABUL, Afghanistan — Thousands of demonstrators angered over the burning of a Koran in Florida mobbed offices of the United Nations in northern Afghanistan on Friday, overrunning the compound and killing at least seven foreign staff workers, according to Afghan officials.

There were conflicting reports on the total number of people killed and whether two of the victims had been beheaded. Five Afghans were also reported killed. The incident began when thousands of protesters poured out of the Blue Mosque in Mazar-i-Sharif after Friday prayers and attacked the nearby headquarters of the United Nations, according to Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, spokesman for Gen. Daoud Daoud, the Afghan National Police commander for northern Afghanistan.

After disarming or shooting the United Nations compound’s guards, the crowd surged inside. Mr. Ahmadzai said that eight of the foreign staff workers, whose nationalities were not known immediately, were killed by gunfire, and that two others were captured by the mob and beheaded. Other reports said that the operations center was burned down as well.

The governor of Balkh Province, Atta Mohammad Noor, said that seven United Nations employees were killed in all, five Nepali security guards and two European international staff, one of them a woman. He said earlier reports of beheadings were unfounded; all of the victims were shot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/asia/02afghanistan.html?hp

Note: April 1, 2011

[The Third Man]

How many civilians have been killed by president Obama's kinetic exercise?

[Gerald]

But that does not belong to the topic of this thread

[The Third Man]

But that does not belong to the topic of this thread

You are correct of coarse. But let us begin counting. If military action is judged on deaths....let us go.

[Freiwillige]

They left the mosque and attacked. What was said during morning prayers to fire up this mob?

Take a page out of Israels play book and have F-16's bomb the mosque when they have their next morning prayer.

[the_tyrant]

They left the mosque and attacked. What was said during morning prayers to fire up this mob?

Take a page out of Israels play book and have F-16's bomb the mosque when they have their next morning prayer.

False flag instead
"terrorists" bombed the mosque

[tater]

How many have been killed by crazed scientologists mad at South Park? How about crazed Mormons mad at South Park? Ages ago Catholics were POed by "The Last Temptation of Christ," as I recall... any murders? How about art like the cross in a jar of piss, or the Virgin Mary made as a collage of porno-mag crotch shots? Nope, no murders there, either. heck, when I was at the U I got handed Gideon bibles by guys, and I tore one in half and dropped it in the trash in front of the guy (was on my way to coffee, musta been dazed to even take it when he pushed it into my hand). Oddly, the guy didn't immediately murder me.

What is different in this Afghan case?

Any idea?

LOL.

[The Third Man]

Hey. I'm Roman Catholic, why offend me? Are you some Euro trash so often seen @ Subsim?

[Ducimus]

Seems to me, the Muslim world has a hard on for killing whatever it is they don't like. I'll wager the two most commonly used words are : "Death to (and then insert whatever it is they're pissed off about here)". Well, aside from Allah Akbar. So i guess that's four of their most commonly used words.

[The Third Man]

There is enough oil in and around the US to claim or defend to say to the Arabs to take a leap. The US just has to have someone in officie to tell the enviros to eat it.

An oil exporter we can be. Think what exporting/exploiting oil can do for our deficit. Not to mention our standard of living.

[yubba]

Seems to me, the Muslim world has a hard on for killing whatever it is they don't like. I'll wager the two most commonly used words are : "Death to (and then insert whatever it is they're pissed off about here)". Well, aside from Allah Akbar. So i guess that's four of their most commonly used words.
Well obiviously they haven't played cowboy and muslim yet.

[Takeda Shingen]

Hey. I'm Roman Catholic, why offend me? Are you some Euro trash so often seen @ Subsim?

Unnecessary. :down:

[Ducimus]

Unnecessary. :down:

I'm more amused that the turd man can dish it, but not take it. :haha:

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm more amused that the turd man can dish it, but not take it. :haha:

For a troll, he certainly has a real glass jaw. Still, I'll never understand his hatred for our European members. What did they do, bash his mailbox in?

[The Third Man]

got the Cali/Penn trash attention I see. Us fly over feed the coasts folks just love ya....:D

Why the lack of humor?

[Takeda Shingen]

got the Cali/Penn trash attention I see. Us fly over feed the coasts folks just love ya....:D

Why the lack of humor?

You're a funny little man, but you're out of your league.

[The Third Man]

You're a funny little man, but you're out of your league.

Can I get back to you another time? I'm way busy trying to figure out what personality I have. :D:woot::03:

[Takeda Shingen]

Can I get back to you another time? I'm way busy trying to figure out what personality I have. :D:woot::03:

Yeah, it must be hell trying to keep all of your handles straight. Tomorrow will do just fine. Or May. Just as good.

[Onkel Neal]

got the Cali/Penn trash attention I see. Us fly over feed the coasts folks just love ya....:D

Why the lack of humor?

Need some time off? Done.

[tater]

I think he entirely missed my point. :)

[em2nought]

Well obiviously they haven't played cowboy and muslim yet.

They need to play Muslims and Army Air Force, just like the Japs needed to long ago. :D

[Foxtrot]

Meanwhile, our boys are busy in winning hearts and minds, and this incident is probably just the tip of the iceberg. Shoot first, share the pics online later (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327).


How U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan murdered innocent civilians and mutilated their corpses – and how their officers failed to stop them. Plus: An exclusive look at the war crime photos censored by the Pentagon

[Jimbuna]

Well having looked at your link I hope it's the entire iceberg and simply a 'one off'.

[Gerald]

The BBC's Paul Wood says the authorities in Kandahar have blamed the Taliban for the protests

Nine people have been killed in the Afghan city of Kandahar during a demonstration against the burning of a Koran in the US, officials say.

Hundreds of people took part in the protest. Gunfire was heard and cars were set on fire.

On Friday, seven UN workers were killed after a protest over the same issue in in the northern city of Mazar-i Sharif.

It was the worst attack on the UN mission in Afghanistan since the international invasion in 2001.

Further violence

A large and angry crowd surged through the streets of Kandahar, chanting "They have insulted our Koran" and "Death to America", the BBC's Paul Wood reports from Kabul.

The authorities in both Kandahar and Mazar-i Sharif blamed the Taliban for the attacks. However, the Taliban has rejected the accusation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12944851

Note: Update Record,2 April 2011 Last updated at 11:29 GMT

[tater]

Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.

If we call it "art" YouTube won't even delete it I bet.

[Biggles]

Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.


Riots? Few.

Hate related crimes....?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.

If we call it "art" YouTube won't even delete it I bet.

Do it, and I will fly a plane right into your neighborhood. I've always wanted to learn how to fly, and since I know GR, maybe he'll cut me a discount on lessons. And then, as I am passing over your house, I will think a few unpleasant thoughts about you.

How does that feel? Hm? That'll teach you the costs of heresy!

[Gerald]

Flying is never wrong

[tater]

Riots? Few.

Hate related crimes....?

I don't think there were any with the cross in the piss "art," nor the crotch-shot Virgin Mary. Protests against government sponsorship of said art? Yep. Riots or crime? Nope.

[Buddahaid]

I'm just as mad, or more so, at Terry the so called Christian. He knew violence would ensue, as most of us did, and does it anyway to prove what? He's no better than the killers and has innocent blood on his hands.:nope:

[Madox58]

Someone burns a Book.
That gives others a right to Murder?
I don't follow the logic.

A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.

I say anyone that was involved in this Murderfest should be stripped of any Human rights and shot on sight.

Now if they had killed the people involved in the burning?
Then they could have a chance in 'My Court of Law'.

As much as I hate anyone burning or banning any book?
I see this action (The Murders) as a call for an extermination of those involved.
And anyone so like minded.

[Buddahaid]

Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

[Platapus]

A book is nothing more then a gathering of paper.
And not all the books were burned so nothing was lost.



Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

I agree with you that murder is not acceptable nor logical in this case. The people who did this are criminals and need to be treated as such.

[Penguin]

Might be funny to burn a bible on YouTube and see how many Christian riots ensue.

If we call it "art" YouTube won't even delete it I bet.

Voilà: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWMsQAEfATo
From a tv documentation from 2007 about christian fundamentalists in Germany. It ran on the biggest tv channel here: the vid description calls the docu controversial - I never heard of it before - and didn't hear of any riots it caused...

Not my point. My point is when you know your action will stir up violence and killings, whether it's sensible or not, you assume some responsibility for the result.

You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?

Not a bad point, as the intense feelings that people have for each thing are comparable - note: not comparing for what each of it stands for.
However most Americans have seen dozens of flag burnings in the news, yet I have seen not too many storming the embassies of the countries where the burning happened, or the UNHQ in NY... ;)
A rational man should say: "So what? You can burn a thing, but no ideas."

[Factor]

All this over some redneck in Florida....

:88)

[Platapus]

Ok, this guy has had enough chances. We've probably gotten 50 BPR over the year he's been here, and he's been brigged several times.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/keelhauled.jpg
To be sure, this loser will return with a new alias. You can spot him, he will be the brand new member who shows up in GT with troll opinions fully formed. Let us know, we can nuke him from orbit with a single click.

Good decision. As a member of this forum, I appreciate this. This guy clearly had no intention of playing nicely. He has had more "last chances" than Lindsay Lohan :D:D

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Well having looked at your link I hope it's the entire iceberg and simply a 'one off'.

Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

[Jimbuna]

Quite frankly, the correct way to deal with this is to hand over the entire platoon (including commanding officer) to the Taliban. Of course, the Taliban would execute them and piss on their remains. The video of this should be shown publicly to make it clear that the US Army will throw you to the wolves for grossly immoral acts.

This would provide a nice existentialist reason for other troops not to make the same mistake, and would be a nice propaganda exercise for the locals to show that the US Army is not in the business of protecting its own.

Somehow I just can't/don't see this happening :hmmm:

Bit of an extreme measure as well IMHO.

[tater]

The asshat preacher in FL is not even culpable in these crimes.

He's an idiot, but it doesn't matter. The bad guys are the ones doing the violence, period.

If someone burned a flag at a university here (I've seen that myself), and someone murdered people over it, would anyone blame the people burning the flag for the murder? When the cross in a jar of piss art was displayed, would anyone blame the artist if Catholics somewhere on earth murdered over it? Petraeus was wrong, too in his statement. Anyone is perfectly fine to say it was a crappy thing to do if they like, but burning a book is not an acceptable excuse for murder or even assault, sorry.

That everyone expects Muslims to murder over crap like this tells a lot about Muslims, not someone torching a koran. Idiots.

Note that I don't even think burning a book is "fighting words" if they burn it right in front of you. Meet expression with expression. Muslims burn US flags all the time, the only reaction it's ever really gotten from me was laughing that one incident where the guy lit himself on fire.

[Jimbuna]

^ Well said.

[Buddahaid]

You are leaving one important aspect out: the free will and self-determination of the people themselves. It's their own decision to go monkey crap or ignore what some religious nuts do several thousand kilometers away...


I don't think they have the same rights the west enjoys and takes for granted. Many do not have free will and the ability for self determination as the state and religion are so intermixed, also many are the uneducated poor. Still your point is valid. However, it is also like saying if you bully someone who has suicidal tendencies and they kill themselves, it's not your fault because the have free will and self determination not to do so.

[TLAM Strike]

They need to play Muslims and Army Air Force, just like the Japs needed to long ago. :D

Oh the same Jap-a-nazis who after 300,000 were incinerated and 135,000 were vaporized still wanted to fight to the death until their Man-God said stop? Those Japs?
;)

I've had this discussion with my friends before, if you stick a gun in the face of a true fanatic he will say shoot.

[Madox58]

Would you feel the same if people burned the American Flag?


I could not give a crap less when the American Flag is burned.
It's a piece of cloth that is being burned after all.
You can't destroy a country by burning thier flag.
(Much as many wish they could)

Now IF ALL the Korans in the World were being burned?
I could see, and would say, they had a right to violence.

But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!
:haha:

[TLAM Strike]

But I'd place money on the fact that the Koran is being printed faster then they can be burned!

I know for a fact the Gideons push Bibles faster then you can burn them!
:haha:
:03:
That just means we need to increase our book burning capabilities...
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5404/disneylfahrenheit451cov.jpg
We must hire more fireman...

[Freiwillige]

Yea I saw our General Punkedtreas cow towing. I mean the guys in the military may not think it was right, but they do know he has the right and that's why their in the military in the first place is to defend that right.

So I say light em if ya got em, Bibles, Koran's, Tora's or speeding tickets its irrelivant. Freedom is lost when you give up your right's so as to not offend.

I would rather be offensive and free then a slave to PC<---New slogan copyright Freiwillige inc. 2011

I think the guy's an idiot but I respect him for standing by his principles.

[Penguin]

I don't think they have the same rights the west enjoys and takes for granted. Many do not have free will and the ability for self determination as the state and religion are so intermixed, also many are the uneducated poor. Still your point is valid. However, it is also like saying if you bully someone who has suicidal tendencies and they kill themselves, it's not your fault because the have free will and self determination not to do so.

Yes, they definitely don't have the same rights, this should not keep oneself from thinking for oneself, same with poverty. I don't see the full point that Afghanistan is no secular country, as in this particular case the riots were not encouraged by the Afghan government, but more by immans. However one could argue about being diluted about the worth of human life after decades of war.

The analogy with the suicidal person is a good one. When you are so deep into religion that you let it determine your whole life, you could speak of a mental illness where it's easy to influence behaviour.

My case is that when we speak about human life, morale or behaviour we should have the same standards. So we can both judge the US GIs, who committed crimes, as well as the afghan mob and regard them as murderers. Of course this includes that we speak about universal, unabridgeable human rights.