SH5 or SH3 GWX?

[Enjay]

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

[stoianm]

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

Start with MO: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=176123&page=78

and

see this here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1626920&postcount=61


The SH5 changed a lot in meantime after the effort of all moders from here.. the SH5 with mods it is completly another game... and i will say to play SH5... if you not belive watch some videos to see how SH5 looks now:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1623102&postcount=1

regards

p.s. the only thing that i not like on sh5 it is that we have not so manny ships and that is raining when is -40 degrees outside

[Shiplord]

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals.
Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease:down:

[Takeda Shingen]

You'll get no end of opinions on this; many of them pretty harsh and nasty. My advice would be to try both. SH3 is pretty cheap now, and comes bundled with SH2. Then you can make your own call. :up:

For the record, I disagree with Shiplord's assessment of the game.

[Rilder]

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease:down:

SH5 isn't a post-Medieval2 Total war game, it is modable and a lot of its problems can be fixed.

[Sailor Steve]

Aces Of The Deep is aces. Everything since is garbage. :rotfl2:



You'll get no end of opinions on this; many of them pretty harsh and nasty. My advice would be to try both. SH3 is pretty cheap now, and comes bundled with SH2. Then you can make your own call. :up:

Usually this is the point where I would go into a lengthy comparison, but what Tak said is the truth. It's all opinion. SH5 is newer and better, SH3 is more developed. SH5 is the future, but the future is still unfinished. SH3 is finished, but still being advanced. Nobody mentions SH4, which is somewhere in between and some think is the best.

See how easy opinions are, and how useless?

Which one should you play? Only you can answer that question, and only if you try all three. The bottom line is that the best is the one that suits you, and no one can do that for you. Since you already have SH3 it should be easy for you to find out. :sunny:

[jwilliams]

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

1 year ago, I would have said SH3 with GWX.

But now I find SH5 alot better than SH3 with GWX.
Why...
I find SH5 to be alot more realistic.
Being able to walk around the uboat,
the quality of the graphics.
The heavily modded AI (thanks to TheDarkWraith).
and i find the UI to be alot better (again thanks to TheDarkWraith for his Enhanced SH5 UI).
Even being able to interact with the crew (although this could do with alot of modding).

Sure SH5 is still missing a few things that GWX does better. for example :-
The campain has not been fully modded in SH5 yet.
You are restricted to just the type VII and its variants. uboats in SH5.
Merchant shipping, SH5 is lacking in the number of different merchant ships.

But you need to remember that SH3 Gwx has had alot more time spent modding it compaired to SH5. But SH5 is alot more modder friendly and in time the things that SH5 lacks will be added.

I play at 100% realism with real nav and realistic sound travel. I try to make the game as realistic as is possible.
My mod list :-

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[D:\Games\Simulator\SH5\MODS]

Anti Lag
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51 (Weathered)
Grossdeutscher Rundfunk
Rel_SH4_BBC_1939_to_1945
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1PlusPatch1
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1Patch2
Speech fixes and additions (german version)
Menu - Das Boot Departure Theme
Lite Campaign LC 1.2
Open_Horizons
SteelViking's Sky Banding Mod
Harbour Addition MOD V0.1 - Open_Horizons
Capthelms Audio+SV Touch Ups
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
German U-Boat Hydrophone SFX
Unterseeboot II SFX
U-Boat Propulsion SFX
sobers realistic hydrophone operator SH5
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_ByTheDarkWraith
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_New_radio_messages_German
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Real_Navigation
IO_StrategicMap_4_1_for_TDWv640&MO
FX_Update_0_0_15_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_UHS_Fix
FX_Update_0_0_15_BARF_1_3_Full_Fix
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_30_No_hydrophone_on_surface_No_Aircraft_s potting
Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_TheDarkWr aith
TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5
AirTorpedoes
Trevally Automated Scripts v0.5
Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot patch

:salute:

[stoianm]

I enjoy my SH5 and thanks to TDW and to all moders i think that is an playable game... i play realism 100%, real nav, etc... i try to put the immersivity at maximum in my SH5

This is not a tutorial - i made this video at the sugestion of Zedi and i wanted to share with you how i play my SH5 - most of time i do my calculation by visual and i try to use plotin as low as posible and also to not use my mouse and my keyboard... and belive me i have a lot of fun... somethimes i forget that i am in my room and i have the impresion that i am in an real UBAOT in the WWII time


stoianm How to play SH5 like a PRO with Real navigation, Voice commands and Realism 100%



My up to date mod soup is:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS]
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1 (patched 2)
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_UHS_Fix
FX_Update_0_0_15_BARF_1_3_Full_Fix
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_30_No_hydrophone_on_surface_No_Aircraft_s potting
AirTorpedoes
Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_TheDarkWr aith
Church's SHV 1.01 Keyboard Commands v1.1
1 degree bearing RibAr
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51
AIR Missions
Black_Skin_albrecht
Church's Compass Dials Mod v2.2 - Option Two
Church's NavMap v1.0 - Illyustrator's Version
Convoy
Critical hits 1.1 Torpedos
EnahncedFunnelSmoke1.2_SH5
EQuaTool 01.01 by AvM - double set - Large plus Flat Style
German U-Boat Crew Language Pack
Gramophone
Grossdeutscher Rundfunk
Icebergs v2.4
Lite Campaign with Ice
Naights Submaine Textures (internal) v1.2(test)
Nauticalwolf's_Torpedo_Textures_v1.2
noir decks
North Atlantic Green 1.1
nVidia missing lights
Officers skin by Naights
Old Style Explosions V1.1
Patch1_Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_2_1
pescarus mod
Progress Bar for Fuel Batt Air CO2 and Push Buttons By Torpedo v1
Real Environment - Revision (stoianm)
remove electric torp wake
renow_points_0_compatible a fistfull of emblems version_by stoianm
SD_MapCourseLine_tiny_arrows_ocred
SD_MapLocationNameFix_v1_1
Shadow Improvement Mod
soan
sobers base sky mechanics V1
sobers base wave mechanics V15 SH5
sobers real trees
SteelViking's Sky Banding Mod
stoianm blue water and EnvNights compatible Real Environment - Revision
Stoianm Scopes 16x9
TDC Graphics by Naights v1.0
SUB SIM FOR====Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_Th eDarkWraith
TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5
Torpedo Splash
Trevally Automated Scripts v0.5
Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot patch
Trevally Tutorials - All v0.2 (for TDW UI)
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Stormys dark torpedo body + dark OBS periscope shaft v1
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional -6db damped Sonarguy
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional NavMap babelling
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional remaining orig sounds converted to 22Khz
DBSM_Music_1_0_4
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 HOTFIX 3
Unterseeboot II SFX
sobers talking conning crew mod
stoianm sounds
stoianm key commands
apa pura
sobers 3D deck spray mod V7
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Real_Navigation
sh5.exe patch (hydro) v0.0.3
AOB slide ruller for TDW UIs and MO by stoianm
Speech Recognition_v1.4_MiTons_NewUI_Editon _english
hydro periscope depth
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Waypoint_Contacts_No_Symbols
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Waypoint_Contacts_No_Tails


How-to-play-SH5-like-a-PRO-part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SAUQDFvils)


How-to-play-SH5-like-a-PRO-part2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PziGrHbzWw0)

[Trevally.]

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease:down:

Boooooo

[Zedi]

...
i wanted to share with you how i play my SH5 - most of time i do my calculation by visual and i try to use plotin as low as posible and also to not use my mouse and my keyboard... and belive me i have a lot of fun... somethimes i forget that i am in my room and i have the impresion that i am in an real UBAOT in the WWII time
...

Excellent, thats what Im talking about! :yeah: Voice command really makes you feel like your there and combined with real nav... its just crazy. Using voice command you dont need any UI, I use the "hide UI" option from TDW UI, so the screen is empty and clear, making the sim more immersive. Maybe its a bit scary and hard to use it at first time, especially for those who had the habit to click-a-lot in SH3, but worth to try it. Its a whole different game and gives you a strong "Im the captain" feeling.

This video show the power of SH5 after a year of hard work in moding it. Again, a BIG thanks to all moders who made SH5 best in the series. :salute: And thanks Stoian for making the video, it was always very hard for me to explain why to use voice command and how it feels and looks like.

[Enjay]

Thanks to everyone for their replies and suggestions.

So, I have installed the MO mod, with patch. It IS much better. I am having to save a lot as I occassionally crash (is that what CDT is?).

What should I do next?

I am in first patrol. 7.1K tons sent to the bottom!

[stoianm]

Thanks to everyone for their replies and suggestions.

So, I have installed the MO mod, with patch. It IS much better. I am having to save a lot as I occassionally crash (is that what CDT is?).

What should I do next?

I am in first patrol. 7.1K tons sent to the bottom!
:yeah: - when you have CTDs?... post here your mod soup and your computer spec pls

regards

[Enjay]

My settings are:
Intel Core Duo 2 @ 2.5Ghz
4GB
Win 7 32-bit
Dx 11
GeForce 9600M GT v195.62

Can't correlate any CDT with any action on my part except they happen in Nav view--but I spend a lot of time there...

[stoianm]

My settings are:
Intel Core Duo 2 @ 2.5Ghz
4GB
Win 7 32-bit
Dx 11
GeForce 9600M GT v195.62

Can't correlate any CDT with any action on my part except they happen in Nav view--but I spend a lot of time there...
it is a fix for the systems on 32 bits:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1580737#post1580737)
Here is something to try for those of you having CTDs or using 32 bit OS:

Try this only if you have at least 2 GByte of RAM and at your own risk and using Vista/Win7 32 bit version.
First download the explorer from http://www.ntcore.com/exsuite.php
Next make a backup copy of SH5.exe. Then start "CFF Explorer" and open the orginal SH5.exe file.
Now go to NT Header/File Header and click File Header. There you will find a button labeld "click here". Click it and select the mark at "App can handle> 2gb adressest "
Save the modified EXE, overwrite the orginal one (You do have your backup of it in a safe location right?).
If you run Windows Vista 64 or Windows XP 64 or Win7 64 you're ready and didnt need to read on. The rest is only for Windows Vista 32/Win7 32 or maybe Windows XP.
Now make Windows Vista/Win7 (32-Bit) ready to support more than 2 GByte.
Open a command prompt with Administration rights. You find it under "Programs->Accessories->Command prompt" click right and select "run as administrator".
Enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" (without quotes) in the command window and press enter.
After that restart windows

To reset back to 2GB limit:
to reset the Increased User Adressspace just start the commandline prompt with Admin right again and enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 2048"

See if the above helps at all :yep:

Another idea is to install previous version of DirectX ( < v11). I have Win7 64bit but ALWAYS install previous DirectX versions for compatibility reasons. Go to Microsoft's website and search for DirectX. Run the DirectX web installer from their website. You can have DirectX9 AND DirectX11 installed on Win7.

EDIT:

just checked the sh5.exe file and it's large address aware so enabling the 3GB switch in 32bit OSs should help:

Microsoft (R) COFF/PE Dumper Version 9.00.30729.01
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Dump of file sh5.exe
PE signature found
File Type: EXECUTABLE IMAGE
FILE HEADER VALUES
14C machine (x86)
5 number of sections
4BCE9A96 time date stamp Wed Apr 21 01:26:30 2010
0 file pointer to symbol table
0 number of symbols
E0 size of optional header
122 characteristics
Executable
Application can handle large (>2GB) addresses
32 bit word machine

[ddrgn]

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease:down:

I couldn't imagine after playing years of GWX and one year of SH5, even considering recommending SH3 to anyone anymore. I hate to tell the SH3 fans around here but what SH5 and its community has done surpasses anything done with its predecessors. This is my opinion after following the modding done with SH3/4/5 for the last 5 years daily. If i was still on the fence about buying SH5 because of certain requirements and personal preference, I would be sooo sooo jealous of what the SH5 modding community does and would probably hide out in the SH3 and 4 forums :arrgh!:

[Zedi]

I couldn't imagine after playing years of GWX and one year of SH5, even considering recommending SH3 to anyone anymore. I hate to tell the SH3 fans around here but what SH5 and its community has done surpasses anything done with its predecessors. This is my opinion after following the modding done with SH3/4/5 for the last 5 years daily. If i was still on the fence about buying SH5 because of certain requirements and personal preference, I would be sooo sooo jealous of what the SH5 modding community does and would probably hide out in the SH3 and 4 forums :arrgh!:

+1

And you helped a lot to make SH5 better. UHS was and still is one of the most important mod for SH5, combined with IRAI is like patch 1.3. :up:

[ddrgn]

I had a lot of fun making that mod! Thanks! :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I hate to tell the SH3 fans around here but what SH5 and its community has done surpasses anything done with its predecessors.
You shouldn't hate to tell anyone what you feel. I suspect that you really don't, but figures of speech out of respect for others' feelings are always welcome.

I feel the same way about SH4, especially since it already has many of the improvements that SH5 has, but is compatible with work that has been done on SH3. Of course SH5 has added even more, but still lacks what some of us desire.

This is my opinion after following the modding done with SH3/4/5 for the last 5 years daily. If i was still on the fence about buying SH5 because of certain requirements and personal preference, I would be sooo sooo jealous of what the SH5 modding community does and would probably hide out in the SH3 and 4 forums :arrgh!:
I'm not on the fence at all. As soon as the DRM is completely gone they'll get my money. On the other hand I know I won't play it, at least not consistently, until I can have what I want, and certain annoyances, admittedly minor, are gone.

But why would I hide out somewhere else, and why would I be jealous? That's a pretty condescending thing to say, especially to people who support all subsims. Until SH5 can be made to do the things it should have done out of the box, there's nothing to be jealous of.

[ddrgn]

I wasn't being specific to anyone, sorry. I understand your point, but after all the beatings SH5 has taken here at subsim its nice to see where it stands after a year. Its quite impressive what the community has done and makes it my logical recommendation to any new subsimmer.

[Sailor Steve]

And I agree. My reasons for being certain I won't enjoy it anytime soon aside, I think everyone without my compunctions should get it and at least find out for themselves if they like it or not.

I also still have high hopes that eventually it will truly surpass everything that's gone before, and have no argument with anyone who believes it already has. :sunny:

[SkyBaron]

If you're looking for a U-Boat war simulation, SH3+GWX is the way to go. :woot:

Now if you're looking for a Type VII simulator, SH5 is the best choice! :salute: It beats SH3's Type VIIs.

[Rilder]

Yeah I can't wait till we actually get some submarine choice in SH5... the VII is okay but I'd rather have a bit of freedom of choice. Back when I used to play SH3 I used to always use the IX, plus the ability to start out in that lil type II and work your way up was just fun.

[Ducimus]

If i was still on the fence about buying SH5 because of certain requirements and personal preference, I would be sooo sooo jealous of what the SH5 modding community does and would probably hide out in the SH3 and 4 forums :arrgh!:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/9/orly128548568614146175.jpg

edit:
When SH5 can:
- Have a fully rendered Type 9 AND render more crewman then vanilla. (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_01.jpg)
- Have a full KM grid (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_06.jpg)
- allow you to actually touch the damn bottom (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_31.jpg)

When SH5 can do all that, let me know will ya?

[Zedi]

...

- allow you to actually touch the damn bottom
...



http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x2003146/man_reaching_to_touch_womans_bottom_is915-060.jpg


Naughty :D

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2: Good one! :rock:

[Bilge_Rat]

SH3, SH4, SH5, ....its all good. :yep:

play the one you like the best, its just a game... :yep:

[ddrgn]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/9/orly128548568614146175.jpg

edit:
When SH5 can:
- Have a fully rendered Type 9 AND render more crewman then vanilla. (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_01.jpg)
- Have a full KM grid (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_06.jpg)
- allow you to actually touch the damn bottom (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_31.jpg)

When SH5 can do all that, let me know will ya?

LOL nice one, sorry I don't visit the 3 and 4 forums, you will just have to find out for yourself! :yep:

[pascal4541]

SH3, SH4, SH5, ....its all good. :yep:

play the one you like the best, its just a game... :yep:

:yep:

[fitzcarraldo]

When U_BOOT-HAHD is finished, you will play only SH3...:D

(I play GWX and SH4 TMO and RFB, both modded are great games).

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[Jimbuna]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/9/orly128548568614146175.jpg

edit:
When SH5 can:
- Have a fully rendered Type 9 AND render more crewman then vanilla. (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_01.jpg)
- Have a full KM grid (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_06.jpg)
- allow you to actually touch the damn bottom (http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/ubm/preview_31.jpg)

When SH5 can do all that, let me know will ya?

LOL :DL

[Adriatico]

Very sad... but very true... Ubi released another UNFINISHED product at market... another fraud:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8071032709/m/8981073819/p/1

:dead:

[Feuer Frei!]

Very sad... but very true... Ubi released another UNFINISHED product at market... another fraud:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8071032709/m/8981073819/p/1

:dead:
A little off-topic, for this thread isn't it?
see here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=182056

[Adriatico]

A little off-topic, for this thread isn't it?
Yes, a bit out of topic... but relation between "SH5 case" and "CoD case" is quite visible... Ubisoft destroying nice simulation brands... and forcing people to play 7-8 years old games.

[Rilder]

Yes, a bit out of topic... but relation between "SH5 case" and "CoD case" is quite visible... Ubisoft destroying nice simulation brands... and forcing people to play 7-8 years old games.

What do you expect from a company that only cares about profits? Start buying from devs/publishers that actually seem to care about their games. Better yet don't buy any games and support Tarn Adams the developer of Dwarf Fortress. :O:

[Farside]

wait till i blow the dust off this profile *blows*

jeez its been a while.

Anyway i have played all the silent hunter series with the exception of SH 1.

so far yes SH5 is a bit of a culture shock due to the difference between 3, 4 (which were similar) and 5. I think i'll survive however. just need to workout which mods im using and i'm sure itll be fine.

well, hello again folks... i'm back after a long time on patrol :)

[Feuer Frei!]

jeez its been a while.
well, hello again folks... i'm back after a long time on patrol :)
Well, in that case, welcome back :salute:

[sirbum69]

wait till i blow the dust off this profile *blows*

jeez its been a while.

Anyway i have played all the silent hunter series with the exception of SH 1.

so far yes SH5 is a bit of a culture shock due to the difference between 3, 4 (which were similar) and 5. I think i'll survive however. just need to workout which mods im using and i'm sure itll be fine.

well, hello again folks... i'm back after a long time on patrol :)

with mods SH5 actully is a very nice game to play...I wish tho that it was with american U-Boats....Dont get me wrong, i love playing the german U-Boats but i also loved that the american one i could ping the target...

Look at Stoains mod list and you will get a good feel for the best ones out there...Not that you have to use all the ones he does...I think he plays a Mod game with a bit of SH5...:)

[Jimbuna]

with mods SH5 actully is a very nice game to play...I wish tho that it was with american U-Boats....Dont get me wrong, i love playing the german U-Boats but i also loved that the american one i could ping the target...

Look at Stoains mod list and you will get a good feel for the best ones out there...Not that you have to use all the ones he does...I think he plays a Mod game with a bit of SH5...:)

I wasn't aware the US had any U-Boats in service....but I know what you mean :03:

[Ducimus]

I wasn't aware the US had any U-Boats in service....but I know what you mean :03:

Obligatory Winston Churchill quote:

"Enemy Submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term Submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villians who sink our ships, while Submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs."


Oh come on, you left the door open for that one. How could i resist? :O:

[jimbob]

1. Get 'em all, SH4 too, they're pretty cheap.
2. Mod Soup
3. ?
4. Profit

[mobucks]

personally, i put the game down a few weeks ago. It seems there are just too many things being worked on in the pipeline that I want in my game, so i'm waiting for those areas to be complete. In the long run, SH5 has great potential and will supercede a lot that has been done in GWX. Not all of it, but a lot.

[Rilder]

Obligatory Winston Churchill quote:

"Enemy Submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term Submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villians who sink our ships, while Submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs."


Oh come on, you left the door open for that one. How could i resist? :O:

So American subs were u-boats during the American Revolutionary War :O:?

[Sailor Steve]

I wasn't aware the US had any U-Boats in service....but I know what you mean :03:
On the other hand, since "untersee" means underwater, and "submarine" means underwater... :sunny:

[marcel1980]

personally, i put the game down a few weeks ago. It seems there are just too many things being worked on in the pipeline that I want in my game, so i'm waiting for those areas to be complete. In the long run, SH5 has great potential and will supercede a lot that has been done in GWX. Not all of it, but a lot.

I played GWX a lot back then, but a few days a go i checked subsim and got to the news, mods etc that has been made and for me its now SH5 definitely! More realistic, more immersing etc. I cant't judge all aspects like AI since i played not so much that i can compare but all the major arcade elements are gone + a lot more realism has been added so icant complain right now :)

[BigDuke66]

What about the campaign?
I still have the feeling its my like "Wing Commander" mission after mission instead of a real "War at Sea" were I can take part where ever I want.

[longam]

For those worried about giving any money to Ubisoft purchasing SH5, don't. Amazon list it now for $4.60 USD.

:up:

[Sailor Steve]

What about the campaign?
I still have the feeling its my like "Wing Commander" mission after mission instead of a real "War at Sea" were I can take part where ever I want.
No. SH2 was like that, and SH3 almost ended up that way until the Great Mutiny happened. SH5 does have specific goals, but anyone will tell you you don't have to do them all at once, and you don't have to do them at all if you don't want to. I'm certainly no expert, but from what I've heard you can play the game exactly the same as SH3 and SH4, at least as far as the campaign is concerned.

[johan_d]

Correct.

[Silent Gator]

No. SH2 was like that, and SH3 almost ended up that way until the Great Mutiny happened. SH5 does have specific goals, but anyone will tell you you don't have to do them all at once, and you don't have to do them at all if you don't want to. I'm certainly no expert, but from what I've heard you can play the game exactly the same as SH3 and SH4, at least as far as the campaign is concerned.

This is correct. Apparently, not completing the objectives will have some effect on the direction of the dynamic campaign, but there's no GAME OVER or anything if you ignore the missions.

However, I think you might need to complete missions, or at least sink ships that give credit toward missions, to earn promotion points for your crew. It's easy though to earn points for doing the easy merchant tonnage missions and doesn't take long to max out the most important crew skills.