Are you a painter?

[Skybird]

http://www.artrage.com/index.html

I am no painter, I lack the skill and training to bring the imagined scene, object, landscape, figure or face into visual shape andf form that goes beyond amateurish scribbling. But I enjoy to smear with colours and see them interacting on paper or canvas. I tried watercolours many many years ago, but the hobby never went beyond the early first steps.

However, I am fascinated by digital painting options, since I first saw it in action in Paint Shop Pro 9 by Jasc. There it already worked not bad, but slow, creating lines and edges were you wanted round swings of the brush. But I got an idea of what it could be to paint digitally, I even got myself a Wacom tablet back then, a Graphire 3. And then - I forgot about it, and used PSP9 only for the occasional photo editing. Meanwhile I heared of things like Painter and Photoshop and the like, but found the software to be too expensive for just occaisonal use, and also occasional use will not help you to master the very complex, unhandy menues and options.

I now stumbled over a relatively new piece of software, that is exclusively focussed on painting "by hand". The interface is a marvel that represents one of the most elegant and intuitive GUIs I hgave ever seen, and is almost self-explanatory. It comnputes fast enough to allowme fluid, round swings with the brush, and the colour behaviour is a marvel to look at. Yesterday I spend time just smearing colours in the demo version, and enjoyed it like a little kid in Kindergarten.The thing is called Art Rage, and you can find many videos about it at youtube.

If you are not professional master and lord of photoshop, but are interested in digital painting (not image processing and editiing, but manual painting!), then give this a try. A demo is available, and as I said, it kept me fascinated all evening yesterday. The software functions perfectly with my old Wacom board, and also interacts nicely with tablet-PCs and touchscreens. I seriously consider to buy this one, although this konth already has been quzite expensive for me :) This part of one of the reviews they have linked to, sums it up nicely.


ArtRage Studio Pro is a specialized digital art creation application, and it excels in that specialty. More broad-spectrum software like PhotoShop®, however, include a wide menu of functions that ArtRage Studio Pro does not share. ArtRage Studio Pro lacks most of the image manipulation and special effects features of PhotoShop®, although it does offer color adjustment, blurring, and smoothing. ArtRage Studio Pro also lacks the extensive vector shape and line tools found in PhotoShop®. For someone like me, who does original illustration which is incorporated into both print and web graphic design, ArtRage Studio Pro will have a role in creating the basic art that can be imported into PhotoShop® for book covers, flyers and web applications. (This is no minor function: creating the basic art is at least 90% of the work.) For a visual artist who is just considering the transition to digital media and finds computers and high-end applications daunting, ArtRage Studio Pro is a perfect first step, easy to learn, natural to work with, and at the same time, giving polished, professional results.

ArtRage Studio Pro installs with a 111-page illustrated PDF manual that is a model of clarity. Other user support is provided online and in extensive user forums on Ambient Design’s website.

[Freiwillige]

I will look into it, Danke Sky:salute:

That brings me to another topic, Hitlers paintings. I have seen his work and must say that it isn't as bad as I always heard. Some people have called him a hack as an artist but I tend to think that they are just judging his work with the knowledge that it is in fact Adolph Hitler.

While not the worlds greatest artist I must say his work really had potential.

[Skybird]

Two life sessions in fast motion:

Painting Monument Valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7DgYVD4QE&feature=related)

Old School Science Fiction Painting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PcAxhBwufI&NR=1)

I'm still baffled when seeing this. It's all virtual, digital, unreal...! :DL

[MH]

That brings me to another topic, Hitlers paintings.....

LOL:rotfl2:

There is a freeware program with functionality of Photo Shop.
Gimp
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/

[Skybird]

Tablet PC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLitikCoea4)

Mixing colours: mauve (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHLJD9_OL_E)

Mixing colours: earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO7ID6m_0uI&feature=related)

The Little Mermaid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8r45SZuusI)

I'm hooked. I will get it. I always hated the interfaces of complex graphics software. Paint II for Amiga was the last one I used to full extend. After that, I hated them all, Corel, Jasc, Adobe, whatever. But I am in love with this one, I simply love it. It snuggled to my desire of how such a GUI should handle so intuively that now I simply cannot give up on it anymore.

[kiwi_2005]

LOL:rotfl2:

There is a freeware program with functionality of Photo Shop.
Gimp
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/

And another one Photoscape. Not as powerful as PhotoShop or Gimp but damn good for a freebie
http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/index.php

[Armistead]

I paint the shed every year.....

[Betonov]

I paint the shed every year.....

Sou you're a master in the art of fresco, like Michelangelo

[Torplexed]

I downloaded the demo and gave it a spin. It's pretty cool and fast to learn, although I think a lot of past familiarity with Corel Painter probably helped. I wish there was a keyboard shortcut for editing the size of the various brushes though, unless I'm missing it somewhere. It's supposed to be Michael Caine from A Bridge Too Far, but I didn't quite get the likeness.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Art_Rage_Portrait.jpg

[Hottentot]

Thanks! I'm always interested in programs like these, even when I can barely draw stick figures myself.

On the topic of such programs, does anyone remember "Recolored (http://www.recolored.com/)"? I remember picking it up originally from here and got hooked right away. It lets you color black&white pictures and photographs, which is very nice for someone who keeps bumbing into them all the time. I must have colored hundreds of pictures with that since then. Here (http://img692.imageshack.us/g/ussmerrimack1861c.jpg/) are some samples.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I paint the shed every year.....
We've recently started repainting our house... Too bad I can't use this to do it :haha:

[Skybird]

I wish there was a keyboard shortcut for editing the size of the various brushes though, unless I'm missing it somewhere.

It is there in the Studio version. Full key command menu with key commands for all and every functions and tools. You can reset them as you like. Brush width can be set both by movement of the cursopr, and numerical input.

Yes, I got the Studio version, although maybe I will never be able fully use it. But fasci8nation took control over my cold blooded reason. :D I have started with watercolkours today - like I alreadcxy have tried over 20 years ago.

And I love it. It's true enjoyment to work with this program. It goes so easy off the hand, the handling is so very very intuitive. Elegant and ergonomic.

I am even updating my old Wacom board.


It's supposed to be Michael Caine from A Bridge Too Far, but I didn't quite get the likeness.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Art_Rage_Portrait.jpg

I recognised him immediately. ;) He was my favourite character in that movie.

But before I am able to form such images with faces, people and objects, it will take much time. From doing sketches every once in a while, I know my talent lies more in nature's sights and landscapes in general - it's all less object-focussed.

Guess it would not hurt me to learn some basics about sketching body proportions.

[Torplexed]

It is there in the Studio version. Full key command menu with key commands for all and every functions and tools. You can reset them as you like. Brush width can be set both by movement of the cursopr, and numerical input.

Ahh. I forgot my demo probably doesn't have all the options enabled. Yes, it's a pretty good program considering. I was experimenting drawing Conan with the pen and ink tools today and it does probably the best I've ever seen for digital media. It doesn't exactly make you Frank Frazzeta caliber, but not bad. I imagine if you had a Cintiq or tablet PC where you are actually looking at what your pen is doing it would be even better.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Conan.jpg

[Oberon]

I shall have to throw this across to the other half, see what she makes of it. She's better at the computer art than I am, I'm still rather a pencil and paper kinda chap. :hmmm:

[Torplexed]

She's better at the computer art than I am, I'm still rather a pencil and paper kinda chap. :hmmm:

Pencil and paper for me too for creating the initial drawing or sketch. I still find drawing from scratch with a Wacom tablet awkward no matter what program it is.

[Oberon]

Pencil and paper for me too for creating the initial drawing or sketch. I still find drawing from scratch with a Wacom tablet awkward no matter what program it is.

Indeed, I honestly don't know how she does it. She still does pencil and paper scans on some pictures, well, pencil then ink in the line art and then scan and go from there, but sometimes she just starts from scratch on the tablet. Completely baffles me, I mean I used to use a tablet back at Middle School but you give me one now and I'm all over the shop with it. :doh:

[Torplexed]

Indeed, I honestly don't know how she does it. She still does pencil and paper scans on some pictures, well, pencil then ink in the line art and then scan and go from there, but sometimes she just starts from scratch on the tablet. Completely baffles me, I mean I used to use a tablet back at Middle School but you give me one now and I'm all over the shop with it. :doh:

She's fortunate that way. Some people have the ability. I just find moving my pen over one surface while staring at another too much of a disconnect. :dead:

Maybe it's tablet PC time. :D Money, money, money.

[Rilder]

Eh I about as much artistic ability as a rock, so no I don't paint. :O:

[Feuer Frei!]

My father was a 'Mahler Meister' in Germany, had his own business there, anything to do with paint he did, calligraphy as well!
He, since retiring many years ago, has also painted many pictures, landscapes, portraits, stills etc etc.
Incredibly gifted man.
Me? Not an artistic bone in my body :nope:

[Skybird]

Ahh. I forgot my demo probably doesn't have all the options enabled. Yes, it's a pretty good program considering. I was experimenting drawing Conan with the pen and ink tools today and it does probably the best I've ever seen for digital media. It doesn't exactly make you Frank Frazzeta caliber, but not bad. I imagine if you had a Cintiq or tablet PC where you are actually looking at what your pen is doing it would be even better.

What got me is the way they have simulated oil paint and watercolours. I know such things from early PSP9, Corel Painter, Adobe, but nowhere the interaction between canvas, brush and wet colour looked so convincing.

If you check their fourm, there is a long sub forum with works presented by their creators, gallery. Some of the really good stuff there fools you into believing it is real, really. But their creators obviously are well-skilled and technically experienced real painters indeed.

One of the videos I set up shows how they work on a tablet PC with touchscreen, like you mentioned. This kind of program, is a prime argument for considering them.

Your demo is limited in functions, but be aware there are also two demos, one for ArtRage 2.5 Starter, and one for Studio Pro. Try the latter, if you have picked the 2.5 Starter, the trial time is 30 days.

The only feature that I miss so far from PSP9 is the separate colour palette where you not just pick colours like here, but can actually mix them with your brush and separated from the canvas, mixing them from those you put on the it, like real painters would do, too. After some time the colour palette there started to look as chaotic and mixed like a real one! But picking the colour that you want is easy and fast here, too.

[Skybird]

And on Wacom boards, on the few opportunities I used my old one, I used to use it with a trick, that it to always have a smooth, but thick paper or packing paper glued to the surface. The plastic surface is too smooth, for my taste (don'T know how it is with the newer ones), but paper with smooth surface and a weight of 120 or 150 mg per A4 sheet adds the feeling of using a mixture of ballpen and lead pencil when moving the plastic tip of the digital key over it. There is more conbtrol in your movement, it is easier not to stray off with a slight motion of the tip. It feels more naturally.

The apüper must be replaced occasionally, of course, and if you use a pressure sensitive pencil, you may need to readjust the pressure settings for the Wacom board or the painting software, so that you must not use so much pressure anymore and do not cut the paper apart.

Using a piece of paper also works wonders if you want to paint with pastel crayon where you often do not wish to imply much pressure in order to bring only small loads of "paint" onto the canvas.

[Skybird]

And check out this guy's mastery of arts, name is Khalid Ipda:

http://www.google.de/images?hl=de&as_st=y&tbs=isz%3Al&tbm=isch&sa=3&q=khalid+ipda

This is Ambientdesign's home forum, the gallery section: check and pick at random, find good paintings, find overwhelming paintings, find moderate paintings - there are 20 thousand threads! :D

http://www2.ambientdesign.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4

[Skybird]

Just a heads-up for our artists - while Artrage is at version 4 on the PC now, I just learned that just short time ago Aretrage finally was released on ANDROID.

:yeah:

I just tested it (4.50 Euros) and in those two hours, more or less, I had no technical glitch or issue - rocksolid so far! (Samsung Galaxy 2 10.1, Android 4.4.2)

Very nice. I have little use for graphic software like this, but I just like it nevertheless, and the interface is wonderful. Even more when you know it from PC, since then you have not much to learn.

https://lh4.ggpht.com/OMt23HKvEydAs81S7LYTNNyts6rH3xnvtclUU-VxSrNcq7w3p4RjHmpcgpiXfKxVvA=h900

[Lionclaw]

Nice! :)

I have practiced on and off, started with a Wacom tablet, but I got more into practicing with pencils and paper.

Mostly doodles or just some things. I seem to have a fascination for eyes or something though. xD

Shading and such, is what I've been practicing mostly.

[Aktungbby]

That's gotta be Divisadero or Steiner street headed north to Lombard and out to the Golden Gate! Thanks!:up:

[Skybird]

the great advantage of this painting software is the interface. i checked several comparable titles, but none had such an accessible and easy jnterface.

[Wolferz]

I can paint myself into a corner so, I don't do floors.:03::O:

[Jimbuna]

I can paint myself into a corner so, I don't do floors.:03::O:

LOL...something like that :)

Nice piece of kit though :cool:

[Skybird]

On my older Galaxy 10.1 2 the brush paints a bit lsower than on more modern, faster tablet, but still I get along, getting used to it. The nice thing is that the brush paints nevertheless smooth curves when I want that, it doe snot break them up in small linear pieces.

These are some pics to illustrate what the specific Android version of ArtRage can do in the hands of a professional painter. All from Artrage homepage. - Don't call it a toy, don't say this app is not capable of truly amazing things! And it handles so easily.

http://www.artrage.com/wp-content/uploads/Mikhail-Karetin-ArtRage-android-Rainy_City_used-amazing-watercolors-by-Joseph-zbukvic-as-reference-and-inspiration.jpg

http://www.artrage.com/wp-content/uploads/Mikhail-Karetin-ArtRage-android-The_Last_Snowman.jpg

http://www.artrage.com/wp-content/uploads/Mikhail-Karetin-ArtRage-android-Red_Flowers.jpg

And these galleries are the easiest way to see illustrations of the interface, on a cellphone display. Of course, tablet I would recommend. Their specs say it is for Galaxy 4 and higher, but as I said, when accepting that the colour does its magic on the "paper" a bit slower, I can make full and enjoyable use of it on my older Galaxy 10.1 2 , too.

http://www.artrage.com/artrage-android/samples/

Inbuild is the feature from PC to have an original (photo, lets say) "under" you canvas, you can define the opacity, and then you can easily trace trace it, like you would do a first sketch with coal before you actually start with the colours, to do a first draft of the painting, its contours and objects. Brushes can stay dirty, if you want, and in the tracing mode you can set them to automatically pick the colour under them from the original, when you touch the screen.

I hate that I am not more skilled and trained in painting. Actually, I am not a good painter at all, but this thing makes me wanting to be a more gifted talent.

[Aktungbby]

Too bad Hitler didn't have one of these; his failed Vienna artist career might have taken a different turn...:hmmm:

[Skybird]

Just found out the Android and PC version of the software are using the same datafile format (.ptg), so you can absolutely begin your work on tablet, and finish it on your PC, if you wish that for any reason. The PC version has some more options. You can also export in .jpg-format.

I played around with the tablet version the last couple of days, and more and more fall into love with it, the interface is so supereasy and superergonomic to adjust colour, brush size and brush characteristics (use of thinner, colour suturation and so on), that you do all this very fast, and easy, and intuitive. Most games cannot be handled as easy as this interface!

I will never be a competent painting artist, but I enjoy to do the colour dance nevertheless, and this is this layman's current attempt to make something of this app - a full manual copy of a painting by Leonid Afremov.

Some refinements and details more must be added still.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/13.02.15/i539y4dmpu8s.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26128020/Flu---im-Winter_001.jpg.html)

I traced the basic silhouettes with coal/pencil from the original, and then manually painted it, having a minicopy ofd the original on the canvas at the same time. You can with two fingertips zoom and move the "photo" of the orginal that serves as your model, and the canvas you paint on, easily, and fast. It handles so intuitive.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/13.02.15/2pjepyspr3e.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26128100/IMG_1756.jpg.html)

I tried several drawing and painting apps since I got this tablet, and while they all worked, they also occasionally crashed or froze at times. Artrage however even under full stress so far has run stable and without even one single technical hickup. 100% reliability and stability so far!:yeah:

Man, I'm tempted to get a big touchscreen for my PC - doing this stuff not via a graphics tablet, but on a touchscreen, even 10.1 tablet-sized only, does not compare.

[Dowly]

I see no reason to get this. For free department, you got GIMP, for payware you got Photoshop.
Does this support brush imports? Actions? Custom swatches?

It's a nice toy, but only a toy.

[Skybird]

This is no graphics studio, this is exclusively a painting software. And this part of graphics: painting, it does extremely well, and in even greater workin detail in its PC version. It can create works of the same quality than GIMP or Adobe - but with

a.) an interface that you do not need to learn over weeks and months of collecting experience, but that is ridiculously intuitive (what you cannot tell of GIMP, Photoshpo, CoralDraw or Paint Shop Pro);

and b.) with much lower a price;

and c.) with superb technical stability.

Take it for what it is, Dowly, not for anything else, this is no photosuite or all-inclusive graphicsuite, this "only" is a painting-"simulator", to put it this way. What it does - painting - , it really excels in, and especially for using watercolours it has collected a reputation apparently of being the best for that technique on the market. I have some amateur experience especially with earlier versions of PSP and Corel Painter, and I left them behind in frustration over their complex interfaces, these are not really programs that are easy to access, and GIMP and Photoshop I gave up on even faster. Users also say that there are some details in Artrage that set it above the competition, the coklourpicker for example is preferred by not a few people. Artrage is much more accessible, cheaper and can create AT LEAST as good results regarding painting, than the others. And in the ergonomy department it leaves them all in the dust, I dare to put it that drastically. :yep:

To answer your question, Artrage 3 and 4 (on PC) support custom brushes as well as stickers. If by swatches you mean predefined colour palettes, seems to be possible, too (never tried that, never needed that, I just skimmed their forums quickly). What you mean by Actions, I do not know.

http://artrage.deviantart.com/gallery/46928309/Custom-Resources

Note that the Android and iPad versions are not offering the same amount of functionality like the PC versions 3, 3 Studio Pro, and 4. See comparison here:

http://www.artrage.com/product-comparison/

Needless to say that on PC the working speed of the brush also is faster than on a two year old tablet.

Do not take my amateur painting above as an example for what the limits are with Artrage! That picture shows MY limits, not that of the software. :03: I did oil only because it works best on my slow tablet, watercolour is too ressource-hungry and slows down the brush too much (Galaxy Tab 2 is below their recommended specs...) I am surprised that it nevertheless can be worked with on my tab at all.

http://www.artrage.com/artrage-4/features/

[Torplexed]

I suppose there is some merit to what they say-- the first girl you fall for you’ll never forget and maybe the same is true of art programs. Photoshop was the first art software that I really learned to use. While Photoshop may not have kept up with most of its competitors in the brush and inking tools department, it more than makes up for it on the back end with its editing features. I guess it comes down to what you are comfortable with.

So, I tried hanging with Ginger, Betty and Veronica, but I keep coming back scrawling on hands and knees to Mary Anne. Whatever does (or doesn't) float your boat. :D

http://pyxis.homestead.com/MaryAnnDawnWells.jpg

[Skybird]

I only want it understood that it makes no sense to compare a manual (handcrafting) painting program with a universal picture processing editor/suite. Photoshop and GIMP and Paint Shop Pro all offer manual painting tools as parts of their total packages - but none of these painting apps they feature seem to come close to Artrage when we talk about manually painting images. Software like Corel Painter or Artrage is best understood as "simulators" of real world painting, and not few people would say that Artrage is the best of this kind there is. It is superior in a.) the visual result it creates, and b.) in handling and ergonomy of the interface.

Does it feature one-click photo correction tools? No. Neon effects? Not that I know off. Warping and other artistic special effects? I think not. But why the heck should it? It is no photo processing app and no general picture editor. It is a painter, not more, not less. But this it is with all excellency.

Do you expect a racing sim to offer you the opportunity to fly planes? Would you demand Euro Truck Simulator to feature Formula One cars as well as Rally cars and GT series? Hardly. Assetto Corsa does not feature any planes, it is inferior to any flight simulator regarding flying. But as a driving simulator it is the best there is.

Artrage is a painter app. Not more, not less. And digitally simulating the act of manually painting it probably does as good as no other of the usually mentioned graphics suites. The others are generalists. Artrage is a specialist.

BTW, for PC a new version just came out, 4.5.4.

[Eichhörnchen]

I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.

That said, these are very impressive works...

http://i.imgur.com/Uba58Zu.jpg?1

This one of mine has had some computer-retouching: I removed my signature!

(PS/ I like your album, Torplexed)

[Skybird]

I have set up the manual for Artrage 4 (PC) here (LINK) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1msrzz85s0fl6l/ArtRage%204%20Manual.pdf?dl=0), so that everybody interested can get an impression about its options, possibilities and interface.

Actual software version is 4.5.4

I am using a Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet, which has a relatively simply pencil, pressure-sensitive, that's all about it. I can only imagine how the newer Intuos pencils with tilt recognition and other gimmicks work with Artrage. The software recognises them all. Using the Bamboo Tablet already is working great.

Best use of course is either a PC Win 8 system with touchscreen and painting directly on screen, or using one of Wacom's dedicated LCD graphics tablets.

[Jeff-Groves]

I've been looking at this program thanks to you Skybird.
I've got a Vistablet I've been wanting to play with.
Photoshop and others are great but sometimes you want so simple it's just fun.
:yeah:

[Torplexed]

I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.


I do sometimes miss the world of analog painting and inking. The vivid colors and the effects of texture, the imperfections and charm of the interaction between the fibers of the paper and the pencil and ink, the feel of paper under my hand, the drag and friction of the brush along the illustration board.


However, the fumes of a poorly ventilated room full of volatile organic vapors, that I don't miss. :D Well, maybe sometimes. Is there an app for that yet?

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Toxic-Torplexed.jpg

[Aktungbby]

I do paint for a living, as you may be aware, and a friend once commented that there was software in development which would enable people to do exactly what I do but on their computers. He wasn't trying to unsettle me, but I said I wasn't too concerned as they'd never be able to produce the tactile finish of an oil or acrylic painting, which is after all one of the things which distinguishes an original from a print.

That said, these are very impressive works...
NONSENSE! Mr. Bean, .... comes up with a plan by sneaking into the gallery at night and replacing the damaged painting with a poster that he alters to make it resemble a genuine painting with egg whites and Allison's perfume....http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Whistlers_Mother_high_res.jpg/800px-Whistlers_Mother_high_res.jpg
http://pad2.whstatic.com/images/thumb/1/1d/Fold-in-Egg-Whites-Step-2-Version-3.jpg/-crop-127-140-127px-Fold-in-Egg-Whites-Step-2-Version-3.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Atkinson_Rowan.jpg/220px-Atkinson_Rowan.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atkinson_Rowan.jpg):D :har:

[Eichhörnchen]

Well there's perhaps a (whole)grain of method in Bean's madness, since egg-tempera is one of the oldest painting techniques of all; but I hope
I don't wear that same vacant expression while I'm working.

@ Torplexed: go for acrylics and those volatile vapours can be a thing of the past anyway. The prototype Spitfire is acrylic on panel, varnished, but looks very flat on a computer screen.

[Sailor Steve]

(PS/ I like your album, Torplexed)
I've collected a bunch of his stuff here (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/library/Tribute%20to%20Torplexed?sort=3&page=1).

[Eichhörnchen]

Quite astonishing; is his work ever published (forgive my ignorance of Torplex's work)? To say it's original doesn't do justice...

[Aktungbby]

but I hope
I don't wear that same vacant expression while I'm working.


Especially if you're in the picture too!:yeah: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Las_Meninas%2C_by_Diego_Vel%C3%A1zquez%2C_from_Pra do_in_Google_Earth.jpg/640px-Las_Meninas%2C_by_Diego_Vel%C3%A1zquez%2C_from_Pra do_in_Google_Earth.jpgVelasquez: what an optical illusion!