And nobody seems to care:

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

:nope:

[Ducimus]

If that was real, it would have been all over the major news networks.

[Dowly]

Goddammit... where's that OMG!! gif when I need it... AH there we go:

http://schneide.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/onoz-omg.gif

[Catfish]

Clever idea of changing the soundtrack, listen to "Kenya" when he really said "Hawaii".
:woot:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/Ctulhuforpresident.jpg

[Penguin]

worst edited video ever...

[Slyguy3129]

What do you expect from a Political Party that just flat doesn't care or believe in the Constitution. You think they are going to adhere to it?

But I agree the video was edited.

[Betonov]

Not natural born ??

What, he was put together in a factory ??

[Slyguy3129]

Yea I could have thought of a better name as well.

Makes him sound like a test tube baby or some mess. I don't honestly think he was born in America either, but he will never admit it and of course even if he did the liberal media would never show it.

He "won" the election so we have to put up with him till 2012. Atleast its almost over.

[Tribesman]

I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/freedom1776flag

He needs to post more videos.

Not natural born ??

What, he was put together in a factory ??
He was hatched.
Follow the lesson, its a communist plot run by a secret capitalist organisation running out of europeland to take over the world, the muslims are behind it all.
Now you might think the muslims would have difficulty reconciling capitalism and communism into one plot, but they can because they are geneticly sneaky

[mookiemookie]

This is still a thing?

[Slyguy3129]

Not one of his better shows, but the idea seems pretty true.

[August]

This is still a thing?

Of course it is. Look how many people still believe 911 was an inside job...

[GoldenRivet]

i thought it was kinda funny ;)

[Slyguy3129]

Of course it is. Look how many people still believe 911 was an inside job...

Yea but those seem to have died off in the last couple of years. Or maybe its just that I don't pay them any attention anymore.

[Takeda Shingen]

:haha:

For a second, I thought that GR was serious, which baffled me.

[Penguin]

Of course it is. Look how many people still believe 911 was an inside job...

I think the guys who made this film learned their skills from films like "Loose Change" - same methodology: fishy sources, bad editing and fact twisting ...

i thought it was kinda funny ;)

I am somehow relieved that you still have your sanity - of course relatively spoken ;)

[Slyguy3129]

Has anybody seen "Obama The Great Deception"?

Don't get me wrong I am no fan of our President but releasing a "film" one month after he gets into office and making all the claims the guy was making is, well down right hilarious.

[mookiemookie]

Of course it is. Look how many people still believe 911 was an inside job...

On some level I understand why the 9/11 troofers believe what they do. They're complete lunatics, don't get me wrong, but I can at least sort of follow the thought process.

9/11 was such a huge event...a tragedy on an enormous scale. Nothing could have prepared someone for that. It was such a random event with such malice behind it as to be mind boggling. Now the human mind naturally seeks order. The 9/11 troofers have decided to believe that 9/11 had to be a planned and scripted event. Their mind recoils in horror at the thought that it was well and truly random. They have to believe that the Bush administration planned it. Of course that makes the Bush administration treasonous and evil, but in their mind there's at least some measure of control and order in the universe and that's all that counts.

That's just my amateur psychologist theory anyways.

[August]

On some level I understand why the 9/11 troofers believe what they do. They're complete lunatics, don't get me wrong, but I can at least sort of follow the thought process.

9/11 was such a huge event...a tragedy on an enormous scale. Nothing could have prepared someone for that. It was such a random event with such malice behind it as to be mind boggling. Now the human mind naturally seeks order. The 9/11 troofers have decided to believe that 9/11 had to be a planned and scripted event. Their mind recoils in horror at the thought that it was well and truly random. They have to believe that the Bush administration planned it. Of course that makes the Bush administration treasonous and evil, but in their mind there's at least some measure of control and order in the universe and that's all that counts.

That's just my amateur psychologist theory anyways.

And not a bad theory either, but the fact is that 9/11 was indeed planned and scripted, just not by the people the troofers think did it.

[Slyguy3129]

I think it comes after any type of major event in History, look at all the JFK conspiracies.

There is just some part of the human mind that just tries to make sense out of something senseless. Its hard to accept that everything we have is fragile and could be easily taken away on the whim of madmen.

[mookiemookie]

I think it comes after any type of major event in History, look at all the JFK conspiracies.

There is just some part of the human mind that just tries to make sense out of something senseless. Its hard to accept that everything we have is fragile and could be easily taken away on the whim of madmen.

Exactly.

[Rilder]

Clever idea of changing the soundtrack, listen to "Kenya" when he really said "Hawaii".
:woot:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/Ctulhuforpresident.jpg


Yep, definitely gonna vote for Cthulhu.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5194/95611610.png

[Betonov]

Oh yeah, my candidate can go toe to toe with chthulhuhuhu... and twists his/its knees/tentacles until they pop

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2967219110_d4fe2022b5.jpg

[Slyguy3129]

Ha my favorite character from Ra3, besides all the pretty ladies of course.

[Growler]

http://mysite.verizon.net/gallimaufrey/Orwell.jpg

[Torplexed]

I think it comes after any type of major event in History, look at all the JFK conspiracies.

There is just some part of the human mind that just tries to make sense out of something senseless. Its hard to accept that everything we have is fragile and could be easily taken away on the whim of madmen.

Was the same with the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories which starting cropping up almost as soon as the Japanese planes departed. Given the racial climate of the time, there were some who were far more comfortable with the idea that warnings were deliberately ignored from on high and the attack was allowed to proceed by FDR, than with the idea that a "diminutive, imitative people who lived in ramshackle paper cities" had caught the US Navy napping in it's biggest Pacific base.

[August]

Was the same with the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories which starting cropping up almost as soon as the Japanese planes departed. Given the racial climate of the time, there were some who were far more comfortable with the idea that warnings were deliberately ignored from on high and the attack was allowed to proceed by FDR, than with the idea that a "diminutive, imitative people who lived in ramshackle paper cities" had caught the US Navy napping in it's biggest Pacific base.

The FDR conspiracy theory goes back that far? I would have thought folks of the time would have an easier time believing in a Japanese 5th column.

[Torplexed]

The FDR conspiracy theory goes back that far? I would have thought folks of the time would have an easier time believing in a Japanese 5th column.

The other popular theory of the time was that the attack was carried out in German planes with Japanese markings. Or with German planning behind it, etc. As long as it wasn't the actual Japanese, who after all couldn't beat the inept and corrupt Chinese after ten years of war...so how could they have surprised us? The prevailing thought was that everything they made from guns to planes was a cheap knock-off of a Western model. There were some like Claire Chennault some who knew better, but not enough.

[August]

The other popular theory of the time was that the attack was carried out in German planes with Japanese markings. Or with German planning behind it, etc. As long as it wasn't the actual Japanese, who after all couldn't beat the inept and corrupt Chinese after ten years of war...so how could they have surprised us? The prevailing thought was that everything they made from guns to planes was a cheap knock-off of a Western model. There were some like Claire Chennault some who knew better, but not enough.


Interesting. I imagine those illusions were pretty much dispelled by the fall of Bataan though.

[Torplexed]

Interesting. I imagine those illusions were pretty much dispelled by the fall of Bataan though.

The argument could be made that those illusions persisted until the Battle of Savo Island, in August 1942.

Admiral Turner after reflection on the defeat phrased thus,

"The Navy was still obsessed with a strong feeling of technical and mental superiority over the enemy. In spite of ample evidence as to enemy capabilities most of our officers and men despised the enemy and felt themselves sure victors in all encounters under any circumstances.......The net result of this was a fatal lethargy of mind which induced a confidence without readiness, and a routine acceptance of outworn peacetime standards of conduct. I believe this psychological factor as a cause of our defeat was even more important than the element of surprise.

Savo Island probably does mark the point where the US Navy got serious. In most surface ships they starting throwing all the fancy woodwork, trim and furniture in the officers quarters that had burned so easily overboard. Nice to have around in peacetime, not so much in war.

[Slyguy3129]

I have never understood the theories on the Japanese. As far as history can go it has proven to never underestimate them.

The simple truth of the matter is they deceived us and we made mistakes. Then they proceeded to kick our hind quarters half way round the globe till a streak of luck went in our favor and we sank four flat tops. The War in the Pacific IMHO was far more brutal than Europe. The Japanese fight to the absolute last, add to their since of duty and warrior pride.

I feel it could have very easily last decades had it not been for the atom bomb. I had always heard the FDR theories but always thought they had started in the 60s. I had always envisioned the US as 100% united. Guess that was just my naïvety.

[Catfish]

Edited - you asked for it.

Teroristic "attacks" or assassinations, look for "state terrorism" and Operation "Gladio".
" ... You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent
people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was
quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for
greater security. ..."
" [...] the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign
of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West
-- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed
or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes
and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other
political opponents [...]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
From another source:
Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B:
The methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" against "communist subversion."
A dangerous moment comes when leftist groups "renounce the use of force" and embrace the democratic process. It is then that "U.S. army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger."
This was in the 1960ies, but has meanwhile turned against own government in case it is not strongly conservative, or "left".

The OSS and what became of it (OSS - CIA)
http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_supportforladictators8303.html
(you might also find evidence for "human research" on US prisoners, related to a Malaria vaccine post WW2, just like "the Nazis" did).
Then look for drills against terror attacks, before 9/11, and what was proposed exactly as a practice. In Spain they knew there was a practice going on, only the bombs did really explode (audio tracks of the security in charge whoo could not believe what was happening present everywhere) - one of the Gladio successor's exercises mentioned was the terrorist attack on the railway in Spain. You don't need much clicks to find the information if you want to know.

Real terrorists, but not "Al Quaida":

Pierre-Henry Bunel, Former French Military Intelligence:
"The truth is, there is no islamic army or terrorist group called Al Quaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity. .. The country behind this propaganda is the US."

He might have better said, the CIA. Even the US government is not always aware of what is being done in the inner circles, who see themselves as standing above governments that come and go, constitutional law and jurisdiction.
The term terrorist is an empty distinction. There is the pretense of a fictional "Al Quaida"-named terrorist world conspiracy against the West, but it actually was the name of a database of the US-supported Mudjahedin in the 1980ies. There are single terrorist group copycats who believe that and will forever undersign their own terroristic acts with "Al Quaida" taking responsibility (maybe they think it makes them important), and not only the US sec services have a good laugh at that.

[Slyguy3129]

Ah Cat from your strategic use of quotations you must be one of the nuts?

Please shed some light into what goes on inside yalls brain. Personally I think it's some sort of disorder that makes them feel significant because only they have the answers, and it puts them on a pedistool where as without it they would just blend in.

Kind of a more annoying Emo/Hipster thing.

Believing 9/11 was a terrorist attack by nuts is to mainstream, it's obviously Bush's fault.

I'm honest to God surprised they haven't blamed the tragedy in Japan on Bush yet, but I am sure there are folks out there thinking up a story.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm honest to God surprised they haven't blamed the tragedy in Japan on Bush yet, but I am sure there are folks out there thinking up a story.

:haha:

[Tribesman]

Ah Cat from your strategic use of quotations you must be one of the nuts?


Strategic use of quotations "islam says latin":har:

[Matador.es]

I personally think it is genius to express that you have lived with Islam in other countries then the USA when you’re in contact with foreign nations. I think that with doing so he pretty much slams the door to the most used comment to/ against the USA by most third world, bare feet banana republics.

Face it, most of them think America is an arrogant nation who thinks they are so genius the way they are that if the hole world would be like the USA the world would be perfect. This while the USA does not know anything about their culture and way of living. Right, you might think otherwise, but the issue is that many (amongst moslims) do think in this “negative” way.

With the stating he has a background as the ones he is talking to Obama will create a certain “equality” after which everthing he says will have twice the impact.

I must admit, that I don’t think it would be possible in Holland for a not native Dutch person to become prime minister. It is not allowed to be a politician (starting from local government) with a double passport, like Dutch and German. Or, Dutch and Moroccan, which is a bigger problem.

[Catfish]

Bumped because nobody seems to care ;)
- edited my post ^^ - discuss ?

[Platapus]

The other popular theory of the time was that the attack was carried out in German planes with Japanese markings.


It is now clear.

I watched Tora Tora Tora and many of those aircraft were T-6 Texans :stare:

So it was a conspiracy :know:

[tater]

To be fair, what Turner said was actually true in the "big picture" sense, if not the individual engagement sense. The overall feeling in the USN well before the war was that Japan could not possibly win. We told them as much, and very accurately, that they might win battles at the beginning, but every lose would sink them in a hole, and we'd continue to get stronger until their country was destroyed. (I can dig up the quote from a US Admiral to a Japanese diplomat (also an Admiral) in 1940).

I don;t think people with this "big picture" view automatically assumed the IJN was crap, but instead that it didn't matter if they were good or not, they didn't have enough staying power to matter in the long term.

[Torplexed]

To be fair, what Turner said was actually true in the "big picture" sense, if not the individual engagement sense. The overall feeling in the USN well before the war was that Japan could not possibly win. We told them as much, and very accurately, that they might win battles at the beginning, but every lose would sink them in a hole, and we'd continue to get stronger until their country was destroyed. (I can dig up the quote from a US Admiral to a Japanese diplomat (also an Admiral) in 1940).


Likely it was Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Harold Stark who spelled it out to the Japanese ambassador:

"While you may have your initial successes, due to timing and surprise, the time will come when you too will have your losses, but there will be this great difference. You will not only be unable to make up your losses but will grow weaker as time goes on, while on the other hand we will not only make up our losses but will grow stronger as time goes on. It is inevitable that we will crush before we are through with you."