First Aircraft Down Over Libya F-15E

[Jimbuna]

Footage on BBC News shows it to be a Lakenheath bird 91-0304 both Crew ejected and are ok.

Both the aircrew are with the rebels but the problem is....how to recover or destroy the sensitive kit on board?

Either way...how can it be done...Special Forces or bombing from the air?

[the_tyrant]

The first time?
I read that f15s have never been killed in combat before

[Raptor1]

The first time?
I read that f15s have never been killed in combat before

I recall a few F-15Es were also shot down by surface fire during the Gulf War.

[Jimbuna]

I've read that myself somewhere but never looked further into it....and this bugga surely has come down but probably due to mechanical failure.

I'm just pleased both aircrew are okay and haven't been killed.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Looking at the pics, there doesn't appear to be much sensitive equipment left at all!

[Jimbuna]

Looking at the pics, there doesn't appear to be much sensitive equipment left at all!

Prolly right but scavengers have been known to come across the odd golden nugget before.

[AVGWarhawk]

I was mechanical failure from what I heard.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Crew rescued, six villagers shot by US forces attempting the rescue :nope:

Itchy fingers again guys, not good!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

[tater]

Crew rescued, six villagers shot by US forces attempting the rescue :nope:

Itchy fingers again guys, not good!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

Ouch.

This kind of situation is virtually guaranteed with this (misguided, IMHO) effort. We all know what happens when you get captured by hostile muslims... decapitation, etc. As a result any rescue forces are going to go balls-out to rescue pilots. This unfortunate result is inevitable, particularly given the irregular nature of the forces on both sides.

[Jimbuna]

Ouch.

This kind of situation is virtually guaranteed with this (misguided, IMHO) effort. We all know what happens when you get captured by hostile muslims... decapitation, etc. As a result any rescue forces are going to go balls-out to rescue pilots. This unfortunate result is inevitable, particularly given the irregular nature of the forces on both sides.

Well said....(not dissagreeing with HB comments either).

[tater]

I agree, HB makes a good point, I'm just saying that it should have been anticipated. It's lose-lose. The next time they will hold fire, and the locals will be irregular mercenaries on the other side, and we'll get internet videos of the murder of the pilots.

[Tribesman]

We all know what happens when you get captured by hostile muslims... decapitation, etc.
Is that like the evil muslims who beheaded Jessica Lynch after they had raped her then beaten her when she got sent to hospital ?
Or is it just a crazy over generalisation mixing fiction fiction and fact with a bit more fiction and some more fiction for good measure.

The next time they will hold fire, and the locals will be irregular mercenaries on the other side, and we'll get internet videos of the murder of the pilots.
You havn't got very good timing there Tater, could you have waited until the latest episode of US soldiers documenting their own war crimes(alledged) was off the front pages?

[tater]

Is that like the evil muslims who beheaded Jessica Lynch after they had raped her then beaten her when she got sent to hospital ?
Or is it just a crazy over generalisation mixing fiction fiction and fact with a bit more fiction and some more fiction for good measure.

Ah, our defender of everything muslim arrives.

How many pilots, troops (US, and local) and contractors—or even just civilians helping eliminate IEDs on their own blocks—have been found beheaded, or get murdered, or are dragged (dead) through the streets for every Lynch? 100? 1000? More? (mostly Iraqi and Afghani)

How many of the willing participants in such beheadings were arrested and charged by their own forces for criminal action? Zero.


You havn't got very good timing there Tater, could you have waited until the latest episode of US soldiers documenting their own war crimes(alledged) was off the front pages?

They are rightfully being charged for crimes committed. This is entirely unlike the crimes committed by our jihadi enemies because their actions to them are not crimes. Murder civilians intentionally (assuming they are, say, jews), and you get a school named after you by the PA.


The current debacle with the "trophy" pictures is exactly on point. Do that in the US military, and you get sent to jail. Do it for Allah? You're a muhajadin.

[Tribesman]

Ah, our defender of everything muslim arrives.

I defend against any bigotry, say some over generalised crap about Christians or Jews and you will get the same response.

Your point about crime and punishment falls flat also, just look at the difficulty in even getting charges let alone convictions in the States of former Yugoslavia.
Even your schools line fails:rotfl2:

[tater]

I defend against any bigotry, say some over generalised crap about Christians or Jews and you will get the same response.

Your point about crime and punishment falls flat also, just look at the difficulty in even getting charges let alone convictions in the States of former Yugoslavia.
Even your schools line fails:rotfl2:

What does, as you are wont to say, Yugoslavia have to do with the price of cheese? We're talking about the US.

I feel the same way about all religions, actually. Among the 3 "great" monotheisms, however, Islam is clearly the most regressive, repressive, and violent. By far. It is the worst of everything that crappiest "fundies" are in Christianity—the major sects (comprising the vast majority of Muslims) are all literalist sects. Their accepted doctrine (what they think of the various hadiths, etc) is well known, and universally "bad." The few sects that are not fundies are a tiny minority of Muslims, and universally hated by all the others (even as they hate each other).

Islam is not a "race," it is a voluntarily held set of beliefs. Anyone holding that set of beliefs is, IMO, and idiot, and possibly a dangerous idiot at that. Note that the "idiot" part I assign to ANY scriptural literalist regardless of flavor.

[Tribesman]

We're talking about the US.


No you were not.........
We all know what happens when you get captured by hostile muslims... decapitation, etc. As a result any rescue forces are going to go balls-out to rescue pilots. This unfortunate result is inevitable, particularly given the irregular nature of the forces on both sides.
See:up:
So "Price of cheese" time...irregular forces on both sides errrrrr ......Yugoslavia:yep:
Perfect eh, even better as it had atrocities by both regular and irregular forces, by christians and muslims.
Though of course I am sure you can come up with dozens of similar examples very easily, or if you had been writing this a few decades ago wluld have been saying the same about people from SE Asia

BTW how long did it take you to realise there are many places in many countries named after terrorists?

I must note also that you "literalist" angle makes no sense. No more than you previous claim that all Muslims are fundamentalists made sense.

[Castout]

Crew rescued, six villagers shot by US forces attempting the rescue :nope:

Itchy fingers again guys, not good!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

:damn:

[tater]

All major Islamic sects are fundamentalist. All. There are over a billion Muslims, what % belong to non-fundamentalist (literalist) sects? Very few. Any Muslim who believes that the Koran is true, and not just stories that have some moral is a literalist. People that think the Noah story is actually true? Literalists. People that think it's just a cautionary tale, not literalists.

Sorry I was not explicit meaning the US, and NATO, but I mean the real west. Regular forces in free countries. How many prisoners have the US, UK, NATO, etc murdered in the last 10 years? What I said was that when "you" get captured by hostile muslims. That means the SS population as "you" and I think of us as US and EU almost exclusively. Regardless this behavior gets you arrested by NATO forces.

Schools are not named for terrorists elsewhere that I know of, though perhaps y'all do in Ireland. (I don't consider Curtis LeMay (or bomber Harris) a terrorist, so any posts in that direction are pointless).

[Tribesman]

Schools are not named for terrorists elsewhere that I know of, though perhaps y'all do in Ireland.
so you made a comment about something you didn't know about and then when challenged repeated the assertion yet admit you don't know anything about it.
Yes Ireland would be an example, but look closer to home, you don't even have to leave your own country to find examples:yeah:.
Though since your point you thought you had was about Muslims and Palestine just look at Isreal and the terrorists celebrated and honoured in that nation.
So its a case of pot and kettle you are at.

All major Islamic sects are fundamentalist.
We have been through that before, you use your own definitions of fundamentalist and own definitions of literalist don't you.

Sorry I was not explicit meaning the US, and NATO, but I mean the real west. Regular forces in free countries.
So you didn't mean muslims at all you really just meant irregular forces in dodgy countries . So when the SAS/SBS went in the get the Royal Irish out of that dodgy hostage situation they would have been OK to go in with all guns blazing at anything that moved as its hard to tell the civilians from the irregulars in a civil war and the "christians" there have a habit of decapitating crucifying and dismembering captives or if they are feeling generous just cutting bits off.

[Slyguy3129]

Well I'll say it, I don't care about PC.

Islam states:"Kill the infidel," Muslim's tend to agree since that is their religion, therefore it is fairly safe to assume that Muslims wish to kill the infidels.

Don't forget about their beloved "honor" killings!

But then again, there are bad apples in every batch. It just seems there are more so over there.

EDIT: Ah God I'm the Medic.....I have been dreading this day. :har:

[Tribesman]

Well I'll say it, I don't care about PC.

Islam states:"Kill the infidel,"
Forget PC, how about just doing some correct
Since when was Islam based on latin?:88)