Oh by the way Obama Care still Unconstitutional.

[yubba]

Was listening to Mark Levin sounds like a major win for us, the judge POed, sounds like judge rammed ruling down Obamas throat I only can wonder how he like that, want a glass of water to go with that. Liberal media down playing this.

[Lord_magerius]

Oh god... what have you done!

[CCIP]

Oh by the way we still have too many threads about Obama in GT :DL

[Bubblehead1980]

I like the ruling, it forces Obama's hand so can stop stalling the case like the coward that he is.

[gimpy117]

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/28/health_insurance_mandate_began_as_a_republican_ide a/

wait for irony to set in.

[tater]

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/28/health_insurance_mandate_began_as_a_republican_ide a/

wait for irony to set in.

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.

[gimpy117]

But it's older than Mitt Romney even tater...don't spin this by making him a scape goat. The idea had been touted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary's failed reform in 1990, and when there was a paper published in 1991 about the subject it was well received by bush senior.

and yes the mandate IS wrong...but the republicans let it be in the bill after they "compromised" and watered down the bill. If i had to guess they also had a hand in getting that little gem i there. The only reason they have been "rejecting" the bill is because it's good politics and they are banking on the fact that nobody will remember that many of them were all for what this bill proposes 10 years ago.

[Bubblehead1980]

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/28/health_insurance_mandate_began_as_a_republican_ide a/

wait for irony to set in.


Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

[gimpy117]

Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.

[Bubblehead1980]

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.


Not a lawyer yet Tater, however I am finishing up my first year of Law School.A state mandate such as the one in Mass is constitutional, but a Federal mandate is not.Simply put, the state's can do things the Fed government can not, which is the reason a state can require you to purchase car insurance if you have a vehicle registered in your name and if you do not, they can cancel your registration and/or suspend your license.The Fed's have no such power and anyone who simply reads the constitution while putting their political views aside can see this.Those who claim the Fed's do are stretching the commerce clause in what I can only see as an intellecutally dishonest manner to fit their agenda.Claiming that the Federal government has the power under the commerce clause to tax/fine someone who does not engage in commerce, ie purchase a service(health insurance) is rather outlandish.:damn:

I honestly lost what little respect I had for Obama when he allowed this to stand because for all things that he is, he is not a complete dumb arse, he taught con law(which is scary) and he knows the constitution, but he wanted that health care bill so bad, so he disregarded the constitution for suit his political agenda, which is just sad.

[mookiemookie]

I like potatoes.

[Lord_magerius]

Mookie wins! I think this means this thread has ended, seeing as it's the same as almost every other thread on the first two pages of GT.

[Bubblehead1980]

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.


Like it or not, it is constitutional when a STATE does it, states have far more powers in this area than the Fed government does.I explain in the post below how the states have power to force you purchase car insurance etc

My personal opinion aside, which is against the mandate, it is unconstitutional if the Feds do it, but if the states do so, mandate passes muste,r so not hypocritical to go after Obama for signing it.Romney will not get the nom because of the health care unless he comes out and says "I was wrong to do so" which he will not, which is okay because he is not a conservative.

[tater]

Whose fault in inventing it was doesn't matter. The current version is 100% democratic.

The base idea was to try to set up a system that would disallow rate increases (or no coverage) for preexisting conditions. The only way to do this is to grossly increase the pool paying premiums since forcing the already sick to pay grossly more is the only sensible solution.

It was misguided from the start, but all the pols want to look like they care about someone being forced to pay more. The reality is that few have the balls to simply say that that's the way it should be. Tough medicine, but there you go.

The whole COBRA crap is also crap.

Better to go with:

1. Tort reform.

2. Remove limits on insurance over state lines (this fosters national competition, and would be HUGE compared to the 50 sets of rules we have now (more with Guam, PR, etc, lol).

3. Dump government support and pressure for employer-provided insurance. COBRA never should have been needed, people should pick their own insurance, the employer should have nothing to do with it.

4. Let the insurance companies charge what they want for whatever set of benis they want. More for sick people, more for fat people, whatever. Combined with national competition, this would be huge.

5. Let any citizen sign up for any plan that anyone in their employ has. Meaning that any American could join any plan used by any Federal employee (cept VA, obviously). Ditto is state employees have plans, they work for US, we should get whatever they have if we can pay the same premium.

(BTW, there was a bill sponsored by a dem and rep early in the Obama admin that did most all of the above—it was DOA by the dem leadership.)

[frau kaleun]

I like potatoes.

Would you like fries with that?

[nikimcbee]

I like potatoes.
I see I'm a bad influence on you:haha:

[Ducimus]

I like potatoes.

Right now, i like em mashed. Brutally mashed, and ground into a pulp.

[frau kaleun]

Somebody needs a hug. :DL

http://images.free-extras.com/pics/k/kitten_hug-1451.jpg

[mookiemookie]

Steak fries are God's gift to mankind:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/3367397154_b3c8005c40.jpg

Look at how good those are. Can't you just taste that fluffy inside, the slightly crispy outside? The salty savory seasoning?

[tater]

I'm sorta partial to that rare thing, perfectly cooked sweet potato fries. But any well cooked fries (given the bad fries out there clearly it is not "easy") are total win.

[AVGWarhawk]

Cheese fries. As long as we are clogging the old arteries might as well get some cheese in there. :DL

[tater]

Cheese fries. As long as we are clogging the old arteries might as well get some cheese in there. :DL

Green chile cheese fries, if yer gonna put cheese on them.

[krashkart]

While we're on the subject of food, I'll have a side of brisket, pulled pork and corn bread with them green chile cheese fries. :yep::D

[antikristuseke]

I like potatoes.

I like swords.

[AVGWarhawk]

Green chile cheese fries, if yer gonna put cheese on them.

:D:D:D

[Bubblehead1980]

Funny but not cool to derail threads just because you dislike the topic....or is it a new left wing tactic, maybe we should ask Glen Beck? lol

[tater]

I'm hardly left wing, and the law is self-evidently unconstitutional (heck, un-American, IMO).

But I also love delicious french fries.

[Morts]

Funny but not cool to derail threads just because you dislike the topic....or is it a new left wing tactic, maybe we should ask Glen Beck? lol
or....maybe !...people are just tired of hearing
Obama This !
Obama That !
Obama Here !
Obama There !
:hmmm:

[yubba]

IT's ok I've been derailed all my life, though I need to read more about the rule-ing that's what I get listening to the radio.:woot:though this is a major distraction to real issues like fuel prices and the economy why i can't spell that today as long as u guys are having fun, guess what today Obama care is still unconsti thingy, gas is 3.50 today, the border is still open, your tax dollars are going to the democrat party through public sector union dues disguised as campaign contributions and we are sitting on more oil than the all the Arab nations put together. I think that's all, man that felt good. you guys have a nice weekend. yell at u later. Those fries look good thanks now I' m hungry again.

[Oberon]

Saute potatoes are nice, although they do fight back when you're cooking them.

[frau kaleun]

Hey man, this thread is not about liking potatoes, so be a dear and help keep it that way. Here, I'll start.

http://chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/funny-kids-pictures-me-no-like-potato.jpg

[mookiemookie]

Hey man, this thread is not about liking potatoes

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41784_152985496966_2480304_n.jpg

[Oberon]

There's nothing evil about Potatoes!

Oh...wait...

http://content8.flixster.com/question/50/50/21/5050214_std.jpg

EDIT: Goddammit Mookie!!

[frau kaleun]

There's nothing evil about Potatoes!


O RLY?

http://blog.craigbaldo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DarthTater.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

http://olivia4president.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/tater_tots.jpg

[frau kaleun]

Cheese fries. As long as we are clogging the old arteries might as well get some cheese in there. :DL

http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/funny-graphs-cheese.png

[AVGWarhawk]

Please pass the jalapeños! :DL

[krashkart]

Can we have our tater tots and eat them, too? :hmm2:

[Ducimus]

Here's a website everyone should visit:

http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/

Where dreams become heart attacks!

Look around that site long enough, and I garuntee you'll find some food item that will make you stare, in AWE at its sheer size, grease and cholesterol content!

[yubba]

And they call me, Tater Salad.:woot:darn hungry again all together now un-cons-tit-ution-al or cons-tit-ution-al-ly im-par-ed. Don't take my word for it, Take it up with Rush why weapons are going in to Mexico and nothing being done about it. So is king Obama going to get us into another war so he can sneak OBAMA care in. Haven't had time to check news peeling potatoes, Finally bullet train in florida dead another one for the good guys:woot:

[Ducimus]

Forget the taters, In and Out burger is the (cholesterol) bomb.

Here's a 20 by 20 burger. Delicious death! Enough to kill a horse!
http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/20x20Burger.JPG

[Takeda Shingen]

Those are good burgers, Walter.

[yubba]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm that loooooookssssss s s s so good. Cholesterol , constitution I can see the mix up. All that pork in DC you would think the government would have died already from all that pork . Choclate covered Bacon

[krashkart]

That does look good. :DL

The 20 by 20 burger - heaven on Earth for stoners everywhere. :yeah:

[yubba]

Florida bullet train dead on arrival:woot:I wonder what gas will be tomorrow:hmmm:Can't afford to drive to get burger. 8.9 percent unemployment stated you dancing in the streets:woot:party like it's 1999

[Sailor Steve]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41784_152985496966_2480304_n.jpg
Oh spud! When I was a kid Mr. Potato Head didn't have a body, just the parts. You were expected to use a real potato. :D

[yubba]

Got the Shnit show on will have some quotes for you, Wisconson Public Union Bosses making over 6 figures. Friday night 830 pm and Obama care is still unconstitutional as it will remain that way through the weekend and into the work week with some scattered budget debate while being partily regulated. Bend over here comes the change. Lybian rebels asking for George Bush to help them. Let see whats' going on in the middle east oh muslims killing muslims. 920 Chevy Volts sold nation wide and we destroyed Ev-1

[yubba]

Obama care, now there is a contradiction of terms, he no care about you.:har:

[mookiemookie]

Somebody's been driiiiiiinking....

[Ducimus]

Somebody's been driiiiiiinking....

I doubt it, because it's been "OMG Obama wharrgarbl (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wharrgarbl)" from the very first post.
http://malcolm816.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wharrgarbl.jpg

The derailment has more content that's worth reading than the original subject.

[Platapus]

http://malcolm816.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wharrgarbl.jpg
Dogs and sprinklers. :D

Who needs cable when you have this type of entertainment. :yeah:

[yubba]

Geeeeeeeeeeeee wish I could afford too drink, since this meat head took office work dried up along with me, I hate being sober.:damn: so I got all this time too entertain you guys, and yes it is still unconstitutional.:O:got too check fox news and see what really is happening in the world. Al ka zzera is just like our regular network news no wonder Hillary likes it, run by the state.

[Oberon]

http://davidwboswell.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/potato_juice_large.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Geeeeeeeeeeeee wish I could afford too drink, since this meat head took office work dried up along with me, I hate being sober.:damn: so I got all this time too entertain you guys, and yes it is still unconstitutional.:O:got too check fox news and see what really is happening in the world. Al ka zzera is just like our regular network news no wonder Hillary likes it, run by the state.
I wish you could afford to go back to school and learn how to read and write. And maybe think, while you're at it.

[TorpX]

O RLY?

http://blog.craigbaldo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DarthTater.jpg
Darth Tater

doom doom da da doom doom doom......................................

[yubba]

me too, ha ha ha ha ha ha, the truth will set you free baby, yep I was a liberal then I sobered up, ha ha ha, see I would be mad too, it was your tax dollars that educated me, maybe you should ask for money back. So, Who Is Cleaning Up the Wisconsin Capitol After Union Protests?

Posted on March 5, 2011 at 10:22am by http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/userphoto/scott.thumbnail.jpg Scott Baker (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/author/scott/)
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The protesters may be out, but the garbage left behind most definitely is not.
Cleanup cost estimates range from $347,500 to $7,500,000 (http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_87fdc162-46ce-11e0-bb6e-001cc4c03286.html), depending on who you ask.
So, who is going to take out the trash?
Tea party supporters have taken to Facebook to organize an event called “It’s Time to Take Out the Trash!” (https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=193689507320262):
It’s not about partisanship or protests, but pride.
It is time to take out the trash… literally. In true Flash Mob fashion, on Sunday at exactly 1300 hours (1:00 pm for you non-military types) we will do an extensive police call (pick up the trash) around the capitol square. Regardless of the state the grounds are in, we will do this as both a literal and symbolic way to show our respect for our home.
TEA Partiers know how this is done. It is time to show OUR pride for OUR state OUR way and be the example.
Even if you cannot attend, please share this and invite all of your sane friends who share our love of Wisconsin.
No signs, no screaming, just a necessary cleaning. Gee guys this is an easy one, you the taxpayer that's who, ha ha ha

[frau kaleun]

Darth Tater

doom doom da da doom doom doom......................................


:yep:

Dark Spud of the Sith, no less.

[yubba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J653tPPHARs any questions?

[Oberon]

Where's the potatoes?

[krashkart]

http://www.myonlinemaps.com/images/idaho-map.gif

FWIW Idaho also produces lots and lots of wood chips. :yep:

[Oberon]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1191/734762560_51a4666f2a.jpg

They don't seem to fry so well... :damn:

[yubba]

Get some tin foil, baby, slicem wrap them and throw them in the fire don't forget the butter, just remember when socialism takes hold only the elites will have butter, and you'll have to have a permit for that fire, and wait a week in line for the tinfoil:har: Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, remember you can do that in a free society. Ain't the first Amendment great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J653tPPHARs any questions?

[Oberon]

That video has a distinct lack of potatoes therefore it is irrelevent to this thread. :nope:

[mookiemookie]

Potato Rosti

1/4 cup extra-virgin olive oil, plus more for baking sheet
2 large onions, grated on the large holes of a box grater
5 pounds Yukon gold or russet potatoes
1 tablespoon coarse salt
3/4 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
8 ounces Swiss cheese, grated (two cups)

Directions


Preheat oven to 375 degrees, with rack in lower third. Generously brush a 17-by-12-inch rimmed baking sheet with oil.

Place onions in a large bowl. Peel potatoes, and grate on the large holes of a box grater, adding them to bowl and stirring into onions as you work to prevent discoloration. Squeeze handfuls of the mixture to release excess liquid, and transfer mixture to another bowl.

Add salt, pepper, cheese, and oil to potato mixture, and toss well to combine. Sprinkle mixture over prepared baking sheet, and press down lightly with your hands to form an even layer.

Bake until golden, about one hour. Remove from oven, and cut into squares. Serve immediately with applesauce.

[krashkart]

The Kinks - Hot Potato: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJainEF4Zi4


Manjula's (apparently awesome) Potato Recipes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iem0zXQe9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLKaQeB6j0





Can ya tell it's Saturday here? :haha:

[Freiwillige]

Oh my gosh! :hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked: :hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked: :hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked: :hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked::hijacked:

[yubba]

That's ok I love taters, but do you think the new world order, that I hear so much about, will let me grow taters with out a permit and who would I have to see to get such a tater permit ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J653tPPHARs any questions? :har:

[Sailor Steve]

...I was a liberal then I sobered up... I was raised a Conservative, then became a Liberal, then a Conservative for awhile. Then I realized the great truth, which is that no matter what your opinions or beliefs, there's always a chance you might be wrong.

I have no quarrel with either side. My quarrel is with people who talk as if they "know" they are right and the other guy is wrong. That attitude makes it difficult to learn anything, even harder to get at the truth, and impossible to fix it. All you can do is sink into calling names and laughing at people who might (or might not) know more than you.

Is that really all there is to offer?

[yubba]

MADISON, Wis. (AP) – Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore is urging Wisconsin residents to fight Republican-backed efforts to strip most public workers of their collective bargaining rights.
Moore spoke to thousands of people during a rally Saturday outside the Wisconsin Capitol, where demonstrators are nearing their third straight week of protests.

The crowd roared in approval as Moore implored protesters to keep up their struggle against Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s legislation, comparing their fight to Egypt’s revolt.
Moore says the wealthy have overreached, first taking the working class’ money and then taking their souls by shutting them up at the bargaining table.
Walker has said the legislation is needed to help ease a state deficit projected to hit $3.6 billion by mid-2013. A Democratic senator says negotiations with the GOP broke down last this week.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP’s earlier story is below.
Negotiations have stalled in Wisconsin over Republican-backed efforts to strip most public workers from their collective bargaining rights, a Democratic lawmaker said Saturday as pro-union demonstrators neared their third straight week of protests at the state Capitol.
Sen. Tim Cullen said talks with Republicans broke down Thursday but communication lines remain open. Cullen said it’s difficult for either side to compromise, since Democrats don’t want to lose support from their base and Republican Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t want to appear weak by backing down.

[yubba]

I was raised a Conservative, then became a Liberal, then a Conservative for awhile. Then I realized the great truth, which is that no matter what your opinions or beliefs, there's always a chance you might be wrong.

I have no quarrel with either side. My quarrel is with people who talk as if they "know" they are right and the other guy is wrong. That attitude makes it difficult to learn anything, even harder to get at the truth, and impossible to fix it. All you can do is sink into calling names and laughing at people who might (or might not) know more than you.

Is that really all there is to offer? You are right, I am not going to call anybody names and so far, correct me if I'm wrong I've haven't called any body anything in this thread, so far all I done is brought issues to lite that someone might not have known about like , the proper way to cook a tater. Obama care is still unconstitutional and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J653tPPHARs ok I' m sorry about the laughing. hell a year ago I didn't know I was liberal till I saw the light ,and was Hannatised now I'm right. didn't know right from left. Been a party animal for 30 years, and this government is destroying our country and I'm POED because I'm sober.

[Oberon]

Bah, left, right, black, white, brown, yellow, pink, purple or blue, the fundamental things will stay no matter who you elect, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. The only difference is by how much. So at the end of the day, all the ho-hah about Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan, it all don't mean jack, because nothing will change.
The sooner America realises that, the sooner it can get on with existing.

[Sailor Steve]

You are right, I am not going to call anybody names and so far, correct me if I'm wrong I've haven't called any body anything in this thread,
True, but painting all liberals with the same brush isn't much different. Many can (and do) say similar things about all conservatives, and I give them grief about it too.

Again with the Franklin quote: "Praise-All and Blame-All are two blockheads."

Hannatised
Now there's a problem. Hannity is one of the ones who cured me of outright conservatism. He has plenty of things to say, but no thought behind them at all.

[Sailor Steve]

Bah, left, right, black, white, brown, yellow, pink, purple or blue, the fundamental things will stay no matter who you elect, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. The only difference is by how much. So at the end of the day, all the ho-hah about Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan, it all don't mean jack, because nothing will change.
The sooner America realises that, the sooner it can get on with existing.
Well and profoundly said.

[yubba]

correcto a mundo my British freind the rich get richer because of the Government , the poor can't get rich because the government doesn't want them rich, the Gov wants them on welfare and the Gov hold the goodies over their heads, and threatens to take the goodies away if some one else, is miss behaving, this is called collective punishment. This gov has already gone over edge, I'm trying not to get caught in the slip stream. we can change this vote wisely.

[yubba]

On a parting note, I want to get some stick time in, mmm props or jets, if we let socalism take root in this country, what will they do to the Consitution of the United States and foremost what's going to happen to our beloved Subsim.com ? Think about it , make right choices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J653tPPHARs

[Oberon]

But yubba the thing you don't seem to realise is that it's the same no matter what government there is. In Soviet Russia the rich were rich and powerful and the poor were poor, in Uganda, the rich are rich and powerful, the poor are poor, in the UK the rich are rich and powerful and the poor are poor. It's got nothing to do with governments but human nature, and that goes beyond any constitution, any laws, and any nation. Sure, you can have communist revolutions, but all that does is change the person in charge, it doesn't make the poor automatically rich, nor does it make the rich the same as the poor.

[yubba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT5hiSJ0&feature=related :har: well in the United States back before the government wanted to be european, no offence, everybody has a chance to be anything they want to be, that's who we are as a people, that's what makes us America, this government is blocking us from and destroying our dreams, we are a free people and we will get this turned around, because this over reaching government is broken, and broke, we will rise again, a whole lot stronger and wiser, you can not suppress freedom, from freedom minded people, we are not drones and we will not go down without a fight, it is not about the rich against the poor or the middle class, it is us the american people, white, black,red, yellow, old, young, poor, middle class, rich ,and who ever else on this earth who wants to be free, against this, US administration. It is very simple either you are for freedom or against it , I'll stick by the Constitution, we do take new members brother. vote and make right choices if we loose we loose everything and I mean everything, Subsim.com included so you better step up.

[Oberon]

Now that's what I'm talking about! :up: Good link Yubba. :salute:

EDIT: Well the above was a good link but soon turned into the usual rant. The Below is a good link.

[yubba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT5hiSJ0&feature=related)

[Dowly]

Yes, you posted that already. You also posted that other vid a few dozen
times already, so no need to post that either.

If you don't have anything to say, have a nice warm cup of stfu. ;)

[TorpX]

But yubba the thing you don't seem to realise is that it's the same no matter what government there is. In Soviet Russia the rich were rich and powerful and the poor were poor, in Uganda, the rich are rich and powerful, the poor are poor, in the UK the rich are rich and powerful and the poor are poor. It's got nothing to do with governments but human nature, and that goes beyond any constitution, any laws, and any nation. Sure, you can have communist revolutions, but all that does is change the person in charge, it doesn't make the poor automatically rich, nor does it make the rich the same as the poor.
So living in South Korea is the same as living in North Korea?

I don't come here to argue about politics, but do you really believe that?

[Feuer Frei!]

Yes, you posted that already. You also posted that other vid a few dozen
times already, so no need to post that either.

If you don't have anything to say, have a nice warm cup of stfu. ;)

:har:

[Oberon]

So living in South Korea is the same as living in North Korea?

I don't come here to argue about politics, but do you really believe that?


At a basic level yes.
There are rich people in North and South Korea, in North Korea they are the high level military and the favoured ones, in the south they are government and business. There are still poor in both north and south. The only difference is how poor they are. If you start factoring in freedom of action, then yes there is a huge difference, but that freedom of action does not make you any richer, it just allows you to complain about being poor and perhaps shuffle around the guys in charge every now and then.
People in the middle have a good chance, they can go up or down the ladder, but people right down at the bottom...a lot of the time the cycle eats them, they get stuck in with the wrong people and that's how it goes. Even in the poor you get different types, gangster poor which is quite rich but in all the wrong things, hobo poor which is completely poor or just working class poor which involves working all hours god sends just to keep a roof over your head as opposed to someone who works four hours a day and gets paid for twenty plus gets a bonus for securing a business deal over wine and dinner. It's that kind of difference that takes place in every nation on this planet, because it's human nature that there is always people at the top and people at the bottom, the only thing that varies from country to country is what they are called.

[Bubblehead1980]

or....maybe !...people are just tired of hearing
Obama This !
Obama That !
Obama Here !
Obama There !
:hmmm:


Well I imagine as long as the jerk is in office there will be threads about him.Don't like it? Don't read it, same thing as when there is a show on tv you dislike, don't watch it.I could see a complaint if there was a "bill clinton" thread all the time but there is not, because he is out of office.Obamacare's unconstitutionality is a huge deal, if it stands it means our constitution is basically worthless now, if it falls, then it means the foundation of our republic still means something.Way bigger deal, esp long term than many other issues.

[Bubblehead1980]

Bah, left, right, black, white, brown, yellow, pink, purple or blue, the fundamental things will stay no matter who you elect, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. The only difference is by how much. So at the end of the day, all the ho-hah about Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan, it all don't mean jack, because nothing will change.
The sooner America realises that, the sooner it can get on with existing.


Very cynical and incorrect view....

[Oberon]

We'll see. However I think we can both agree that unless the Republicans elect a real lame duck or scare-monkey as their candidate for 2012 then Obama will be going. That much is inevitable.
How much the poor will benefit from it is debatable, likewise the rich.

[Takeda Shingen]

Well I imagine as long as the jerk is in office there will be threads about him.Don't like it? Don't read it, same thing as when there is a show on tv you dislike, don't watch it.I could see a complaint if there was a "bill clinton" thread all the time but there is not, because he is out of office.

Also an incorrect view, in-so-far as forum policy is concerned.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules3_faq_item

Please do not engage in "topic spamming", where you post several threads on the essentially the same topic in a short period of time. If you want to discuss women's synchronized swimming, fine; start a topic on it. But don't start another topic on women's synchronized swimming clothing, women's synchronized swimming schedules, etc. for several weeks. Same goes with threads on politics, religon, and cultural issues. We don't need six threads on "Obama is ruining America" and eight topics on "Arabs are Evillll!" on the same page.

[Bubblehead1980]

We'll see. However I think we can both agree that unless the Republicans elect a real lame duck or scare-monkey as their candidate for 2012 then Obama will be going. That much is inevitable.
How much the poor will benefit from it is debatable, likewise the rich.


I can agree Obama will be going unless they put Palin or Romney(he just doesnt fire up the base enough due to his liberal tendencies, theyll stay home I bet)

I agree how much one class will benefit as opposed to the other is debatable but to say it does not really matter is a bit much, thus why I said incorrect.One thing that needs to stop is the class warfare, which Obama survives on, really bad for our society.

[Bubblehead1980]

Also an incorrect view, in-so-far as forum policy is concerned.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules3_faq_item


Thing is, if one poster posts a thread concerning obama then another poster posts on a DIFFERENT topic but it involves Obama in some way, that is not spamming really.The "obamacare" thread was actually a thread concerning the US Judge who handed down another ruling concerning the healthcare law, the OP found it relevant and posted, which in turn brought much discussion.Not spamming, annoying to some but as said, don't like it, don't read the thread.I see threads on here all the time that annoy me, guess what? I don't moan and complain like a lady, I ignore the thread.

True topic spamming, yes annoying.

[Hottentot]

Didn't we have "Bash Obama"-thread stickied during the elections? Maybe we could use something like that again?

It could be called "Agitprop is alive and well, thanks for asking"

[HunterICX]

Well I imagine as long as the jerk is in office there will be threads about him.

I'll have to correct you....

as long there's ANY jerk in that white house there'll be these annoying thread spams about how bad he is and how he screws over the nation.

and really this repeative bashing of the same subject or person is really pethatic, especially as show many times of late that noone will take you serious anymore.

ow...and as for this ain't topic spam...care to explain this? (result #1 & #4)
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4493/spamkm.jpg

HunterICX

[Bubblehead1980]

I'll have to correct you....

as long there's ANY jerk in that white house there'll be these annoying thread spams about how bad he is and how he screws over the nation.

and really this repeative bashing of the same subject or person is really pethatic, especially as show many times of late that noone will take you serious anymore.

ow...and as for this ain't topic spam...care to explain this? (result #1 & #4)
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4493/spamkm.jpg

HunterICX


That is your opinion...yes they all involve obama but different subjects, minus the two healthcare posts, which even then were warranted to be seperate threads instead of bringing up an older thread, poster's discretion.Really though, just don't read the threads if you have that much of a problem.

[Bubblehead1980]

Didn't we have "Bash Obama"-thread stickied during the elections? Maybe we could use something like that again?

It could be called "Agitprop is alive and well, thanks for asking"


Because the threads are not about bashing barry o, it's about various topics that happen to involve him.Under the "one obama thread" line of thinking, a thread about obamacare should also involve obama's handling of foreign affairs....that would make no sense at all.

[Takeda Shingen]

Thing is, if one poster posts a thread concerning obama then another poster posts on a DIFFERENT topic but it involves Obama in some way, that is not spamming really.The "obamacare" thread was actually a thread concerning the US Judge who handed down another ruling concerning the healthcare law, the OP found it relevant and posted, which in turn brought much discussion.Not spamming, annoying to some but as said, don't like it, don't read the thread.I see threads on here all the time that annoy me, guess what? I don't moan and complain like a lady, I ignore the thread.

True topic spamming, yes annoying.

Again, read the rules. Mr. Stevens is very clear, and it doesn't matter if you decide to interpret it in any way that you see fit. The Obama threads are, in fact, 'true' topic spamming (as if there were such a thing as 'false' topic spamming). Trust me, I have a pretty good understanding of the rules around here.

[yubba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT5hiSJ0&feature=related :har: well in the United States back before the government wanted to be european, no offence, everybody has a chance to be anything they want to be, that's who we are as a people, that's what makes us America, this government is blocking us from and destroying our dreams, we are a free people and we will get this turned around, because this over reaching government is broken, and broke, we will rise again, a whole lot stronger and wiser, you can not suppress freedom, from freedom minded people, we are not drones and we will not go down without a fight, it is not about the rich against the poor or the middle class, it is us the american people, white, black,red, yellow, old, young, poor, middle class, rich ,and who ever else on this earth who wants to be free, against this, US administration. It is very simple either you are for freedom or against it , I'll stick by the Constitution, we do take new members brother. vote and make right choices if we loose we loose everything and I mean everything, Subsim.com included so you better step up.
I meant this with all my heart:salute:keep an eye on Saudi Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsJKT5hiSJ0&feature=related)

[Ducimus]

Ok im going to be honest and blunt.

General topics has, a set number of regular readers and posters. Everyone's thoughts, stance, and position on various subjects is, or becomes, well known.

So im going to hazard a guess that everybody who posts here, knows how various people here feel about the current administration. Now here comes the clue, some of you missed and im going to stick my neck out by using a plural word, but....

Ok on the subject of Obama.......
YES WE KNOW. We know you hate his guts. WE GET THAT. (I'm not a fan either, but it's not like i waste my time ranting about it)

Continually restating that you hate obama in new and creative ways does nothing except annoy the crap out of everyone else who isn't in your masturbatory circle of thought.

Yes you read me right. By continually posting on the same topic, all your doing, in a figurative sense, is masterbating. All your Obama posts and threads? It's all self gratification to make you feel better, That is ALL your doing. The trouble is, everyone else is the pivot man to your virtual circle jerk regardless if they want to be involved in the topic or not, because it gets pasted all over the place.

[yubba]

Well ex cussssssssse me, well if we don't get our heads out of our torpedo tubes there will be a day we turn on our computers, and this site and other beloved places might not be there. regulate, regulate, regulate, and we'll all will be drones.

[Hottentot]

^^
Comments like the above might contribute something to what HunterICX said about being taken seriously. It has been noted several times that this is a right-leaning forum, but I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Also, as Ducimus said, it has been noted that some people here don't like Obama and can be passionate about it, but I don't think anyone has a problem with that either.

It's just that comments like the above, at least in my opinion, are not much different from the ridiculous "OMG 9/11 was Bush's conspiracy LOLBBQ". The "scum this" and "garbage that" is just getting repetitive, especially when it's in multiple different topics.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I don't see how "we'll all be drones" includes, for example, us Europeans. Will Jawabama put something in our water to make us drones too?

[Tribesman]

Will Jawabama put something in our water to make us drones too?
Yes the aliens who run the earth and universe will take a break from building their secret telescopes and hiding planets to supply the manchurian kenyan muslim antichrist from asia like in the bible who is in the whitehouse with the magic negro clone drone maker.
They will also enlist the aid of the liberal jewish east coast californian european media to convince us to drink it.

The only thing saving us from this threat is some fellow who appears to be going through a very bad detox and has that mysterious sense of clarity which comes from finally glimpsing something very foggy after total blindness

[Takeda Shingen]

Yes the aliens who run the earth and universe will take a break from building their secret telescopes and hiding planets to supply the manchurian kenyan muslim antichrist from asia like in the bible who is in the whitehouse with the magic negro clone drone maker.
They will also enlist the aid of the liberal jewish east coast californian european media to convince us to drink it.

And, evidently, they're all working together to shut down SubSim. Talk about setting the bar low.

[HunterICX]

And, evidently, they're all working together to shut down SubSim. Talk about setting the bar low.

But we shall never surrendah!

HunterICX

[Platapus]

Another data point in favour of a separate political sub forum. :up:

[Tribesman]

And, evidently, they're all working together to shut down SubSim. Talk about setting the bar low.
You couldn't get much lower without drilling.
Underwater, its the new underground movement

[krashkart]

What?? The aliens are plotting to shut down Subsim?!? :wah:

Damn those infernal Mars meteorites and their fossilized bacteria! I will never, ever trust another rock as long as I live. :stare:



But seriously, the impassioned anti-Obama rants were getting old half a year ago. Can we take a break from it, purdy please?

[Tribesman]

Can we take a break from it, purdy please?
As you asked nicely

http://www.mark-1.co.uk/NewAvengers/images/navg17.jpg

[krashkart]

As you asked nicely

http://www.mark-1.co.uk/NewAvengers/images/navg17.jpg


Superb. :DL:up:

[Tribesman]

Superb.
Some might be not pleased by that Purdy so they can have another.
http://www.purdey.com/