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A US university president has said he is "disturbed" that a psychology professor allowed a demonstration of a motorised sex toy in a lecture hall.
Morton Schapiro of Northwestern University called the decision to allow a naked woman to demonstrate use of the device last month "poor judgement".
About 100 students observed the proceedings following a lecture session for a class on human sexuality.
Attendance was voluntary and students had been warned what to expect.
Controversial topics
On 21 February, psychology professor Michael Bailey held a lecture on sexual arousal, with a focus on certain aspects of female physiology, according to a statement he released on Wednesday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12642898
Note: 3 March 2011 Last updated at 22:05 GMT
the_tyrant
03-03-11, 05:46 PM
:o
I should have dropped in on that class
Sure we have all seen it on our computers, but a live performance?!
And now you wonder, if you can be involved at the next show :O:
Sharkstooth
03-03-11, 05:55 PM
Figures its in Chicago....
Everyone will be wanting to come here for the next Subsim meeting now...
:O:
CaptainHaplo
03-03-11, 07:53 PM
A class on human sexuality....
Adults were warned what to expect....
Attendance was voluntary....
Hmmm = whats the problem?
Heck - most women would say that the majority of guys need to know and understand more about female sexuality anyway.....
Human sexuality is alot more around than you realize - heck most weekends any given area has a local group having a "munch" (with or without after-party) in a restaurant.
Weiss Pinguin
03-03-11, 07:55 PM
http://theazon.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/This-is-relevant-to-my%C2%A0interests.jpg
Sledgehammer427
03-03-11, 08:01 PM
Figures its in Chicago....
Everyone will be wanting to come here for the next Subsim meeting now...
:O:
And I can attend again!
Illinois is just that great.
the_tyrant
03-03-11, 08:03 PM
The only reason why people might complain is that the chick is too ugly
or the professor has different tastes than the students
One of my friends is in the class that this demonstration was held for. He seems to be fine with the idea because it seems the professor gave a due warning about how explicit the material was going to be. If people attended and still had problems, then it's a matter of them misjudging what they can handle. Simple as.
gimpy117
03-03-11, 08:35 PM
yeah...they were told not to show up if they couldn't handle it. whoever is raising concerns is...well...just trying to make a scene.
Growler
03-03-11, 08:38 PM
<--wasn't there.
<--isn't disturbed anyway.
To hear some of the BS the stupid press is spewing, you'd think that the above demonstrated demographic is psychotically disturbed for life merely by the concept of the germination of the emergence of the possibility of the very thought that someone had an orgasm in a room full of people.
One of my friends is in the class that this demonstration was held for. He seems to be fine with the idea because it seems the professor gave a due warning about how explicit the material was going to be. If people attended and still had problems, then it's a matter of them misjudging what they can handle. Simple as.
Yeah, but was she hot??? :hmmm:
the_tyrant
03-03-11, 08:50 PM
its the parents that were offended
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-northwestern-president-criticizes-sextoy-demonstration-20110303,0,7493639.story
also, she was not paid, so its not prostitution
Yeah, but was she hot??? :hmmm:
He didn't say... Maybe that brings up some questions about my friend? :o I know that's one thing I would have taken into consideration.
Armistead
03-03-11, 09:29 PM
A class on human sexuality....
Adults were warned what to expect....
Attendance was voluntary....
Hmmm = whats the problem?
Heck - most women would say that the majority of guys need to know and understand more about female sexuality anyway.....
Human sexuality is alot more around than you realize - heck most weekends any given area has a local group having a "munch" (with or without after-party) in a restaurant.
If you think a naked women getting done by a sex machine in front of a class is a study on human sexuality,...geesh. If all the guys are sitting there with erections, I can assure nothings getting through their brain.
If that would teach college kids anything they would be smart enough from all the internet porn. Heck, why not bring in two people then, gay couples, etc.. and let em have an orgy, talk about a crash course.
:o
Sure we have all seen it on our computers!
No not everyone!:oops: Where?:D
No not everyone!:oops: Where?:D
You must be new to the internet, then?
nikimcbee
03-03-11, 09:59 PM
giggity.
You must be new to the internet, then?
Can't say I've ever come across it, maybe I should google it!:D
Oops, wife just walked in, maybe not!:oops: "OUCH... what did I do dear??":dead:
Castout
03-04-11, 12:17 AM
All I can say is nuts.
That is not sex toy show that's sex show.
papa_smurf
03-04-11, 06:09 AM
Can't say I've ever come across it, maybe I should google it!:D
Oops, wife just walked in, maybe not!:oops: "OUCH... what did I do dear??":dead:
Man down! Man down!
Can't say I've ever come across it, maybe I should google it!:D
Oops, wife just walked in, maybe not!:oops: "OUCH... what did I do dear??":dead: Reece, you may ask your wife to step out of the room when important things discussed :D
Sharkstooth
03-04-11, 09:29 AM
Vendor needs a slap... :D
I gotta agree with Armistead on this... its a sex show.
Don't mind them being curious...wanting to see...whatever... you got the internet for that now days. Shouldn't take place in a University.
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 09:33 AM
If you think a naked women getting done by a sex machine in front of a class is a study on human sexuality,...geesh. If all the guys are sitting there with erections, I can assure nothings getting through their brain.
If that would teach college kids anything they would be smart enough from all the internet porn. Heck, why not bring in two people then, gay couples, etc.. and let em have an orgy, talk about a crash course.
:har:
See Amistead, we do agree on a lot of things. Really, a Milwaukee hand drill just does not do it for me. :haha: And you are correct on internet porn...it is available 24/7 along with all the computer damaging viruses it can download to your hard drive...no pun intended.
He didn't say... Maybe that brings up some questions about my friend? :o I know that's one thing I would have taken into consideration.
Indeed. :DL
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 09:34 AM
I gotta agree with Armistead on this... its a sex show.
:yep:
All the students needed was fist full of dollars and it would have been no better than the local skin bar. Well..beer might have helped. :DL
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 09:36 AM
Yeah, but was she hot???
I have the same question as Dowly....
Hmmm = whats the problem?
Heck - most women would say that the majority of guys need to know and understand more about female sexuality anyway.....
If someone's doing it so wrong that the girl needs to suggest they bring along a reciprocating saw, instead, watching a sex-show in class won't help ;)
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 10:20 AM
Good times tonight baby!!
http://www.ezpowertools.com/files/power-tools/power_tools_girl.jpg
Some how I do not see this as a turn on for a woman:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/469526409_1066a4ae03_o.jpg
Armistead
03-04-11, 10:38 AM
There's so much free hard core porn on the net today or so I've been told.:D, anyone can get a full dose of any action.
I don't have a problem with porn when two people watch it at home, toys or spinning from a ceiling fan. Shoot, my wife and I almost bought one of those realistic expensive love dolls, about 8K, but the argument over which do we get, a man or a woman could never be solved....and no I didn't want the man.....
What's next, study bad effects of crack and pass the pipe out at school.
I think both sides here are fairly dumb actually. On the one hand, it's dumb to complain about lack of due warning to consenting adults here - nothing that took place here is anything that people weren't intelligently aware of or unable to handle.
On the other hand, come on, 100 people gathering to watch a sex act denying that everyone present was there solely for serious, disengaged, intellectual business is just typical academic wankery (and I say that as an acedemic myself). Buncha perverts, and they know it!
I think there should be room at universities for free discussion of any subject. On the other hand using university resources for sleazy entertainment I'm not so sure on. If nothing else, I think these resources are better spent acquiring recorded porn than making a fetish of the "real thing". I highly doubt that much of anything was gained here, other than publicity.
MaddogK
03-04-11, 12:10 PM
I'm reminded of a scene in pythons 'meaning of life'.
What ori..where was it pu..did she.... oh nevermind.
The only opinions that really matter are the actual customers—the people paying the tuition.
If it's parents, they should be POed that they are paying a premium for something that doesn't have any educational value at all.
Those that have Federal Pell Grants... as a taxpayer, I'm also annoyed that tax dollars support this simply because it has zero educational value.
That there is even a specialty in this area is pretty funny. Just goes to show that social science, isn't (science).
Armistead
03-04-11, 02:43 PM
I think both sides here are fairly dumb actually. On the one hand, it's dumb to complain about lack of due warning to consenting adults here - nothing that took place here is anything that people weren't intelligently aware of or unable to handle.
On the other hand, come on, 100 people gathering to watch a sex act denying that everyone present was there solely for serious, disengaged, intellectual business is just typical academic wankery (and I say that as an acedemic myself). Buncha perverts, and they know it!
I think there should be room at universities for free discussion of any subject. On the other hand using university resources for sleazy entertainment I'm not so sure on. If nothing else, I think these resources are better spent acquiring recorded porn than making a fetish of the "real thing". I highly doubt that much of anything was gained here, other than publicity.
Discussion yes, screwing a machine in front of class..c'mon. That's the kind of stuff I saw in my 20's in some bars in Norfolk. If anything the only thing this class taught was how to properly market a sex toy.
When I went to school, it was these kinds of shows, something that did not get any space at all, but it was a while ago, also "times have changed" :O:
Armistead
03-04-11, 03:26 PM
My grandfather told me some good stories of some things he saw at some of the circuses that came to town when he was younger, but it seems livestock was preferred over toys.:stare:
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 03:42 PM
My grandfather told me some good stories of some things he saw at some of the circuses that came to town when he was younger, but it seems livestock was preferred over toys.:stare:
Remains the same in Mexico I hear. :o
Jimbuna
03-04-11, 04:21 PM
Remains the same in Mexico I hear. :o
LOL....those were the days when men were men and bulls were.........................worried :o
AVGWarhawk
03-04-11, 04:31 PM
And sheep are scared!
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2007/05/SHEEP%20SCARED.JPG
Weiss Pinguin
03-04-11, 05:22 PM
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-family-guy-peacock.jpg
CaptainHaplo
03-04-11, 09:07 PM
Did any of you read the article? Did any of you read the statement by the professor?
They have had all kinds of "guests", swingers, gay couples, transgendered, "kinksters", etc and because some woman with a "mechanical device" is there people get offended?
Of course, it doesn't matter that the instructor gave a serious lecture about human sexuality BEFORE the demonstration. The fact one happened just means that there could be no learning at all huh? Some of ya'll would really be suprised at what a demonstration can teach. In fact, a friend of mine is a heck of an expert in Shibari/Kinbaku, which is a skill I sadly lack. I fully intend to take some time to learn the art, and it will be done by demonstration. Not all "erotic" things are purely sexual. Just because some of you might have a "hard" time focusing on the underlying mental and emotional structures that create arousal simply due to there being a "nakd chick doin it with something" doesn't mean everyone would be...
In fact, I do not doubt that many of you would be suprised to learn that many of the "kinks" that exist sexually - especially in the D/s world, are not sexually focused at all by those who live that lifestyle. But, because anything has a sexual, PHYSICAL component, it must be "bad".....
Sad really.
There's so much free hard core porn on the net today or so I've been told.:D, anyone can get a full dose of any action.
Indeed, I was like 12 or so when I first experienced pornography on the net. :O:
Did any of you read the article? Did any of you read the statement by the professor?
They have had all kinds of "guests", swingers, gay couples, transgendered, "kinksters", etc and because some woman with a "mechanical device" is there people get offended?
Of course, it doesn't matter that the instructor gave a serious lecture about human sexuality BEFORE the demonstration. The fact one happened just means that there could be no learning at all huh? Some of ya'll would really be suprised at what a demonstration can teach. In fact, a friend of mine is a heck of an expert in Shibari/Kinbaku, which is a skill I sadly lack. I fully intend to take some time to learn the art, and it will be done by demonstration. Not all "erotic" things are purely sexual. Just because some of you might have a "hard" time focusing on the underlying mental and emotional structures that create arousal simply due to there being a "nakd chick doin it with something" doesn't mean everyone would be...
In fact, I do not doubt that many of you would be suprised to learn that many of the "kinks" that exist sexually - especially in the D/s world, are not sexually focused at all by those who live that lifestyle. But, because anything has a sexual, PHYSICAL component, it must be "bad".....
Sad really.
I don't think there is any possible reason to enact the stuff in the classroom, sorry. I don't care what particular sex act it is. It's not like any possible sex act is not available to watch on the internet, the prof can provide links for the curious.
My other point stands, it's a silly "field of study."
Armistead
03-05-11, 08:09 AM
Did any of you read the article? Did any of you read the statement by the professor?
They have had all kinds of "guests", swingers, gay couples, transgendered, "kinksters", etc and because some woman with a "mechanical device" is there people get offended?
Of course, it doesn't matter that the instructor gave a serious lecture about human sexuality BEFORE the demonstration. The fact one happened just means that there could be no learning at all huh? Some of ya'll would really be suprised at what a demonstration can teach. In fact, a friend of mine is a heck of an expert in Shibari/Kinbaku, which is a skill I sadly lack. I fully intend to take some time to learn the art, and it will be done by demonstration. Not all "erotic" things are purely sexual. Just because some of you might have a "hard" time focusing on the underlying mental and emotional structures that create arousal simply due to there being a "nakd chick doin it with something" doesn't mean everyone would be...
In fact, I do not doubt that many of you would be suprised to learn that many of the "kinks" that exist sexually - especially in the D/s world, are not sexually focused at all by those who live that lifestyle. But, because anything has a sexual, PHYSICAL component, it must be "bad".....
Sad really.
If you really think college age kids today are learning anything new by watching a woman get pounded by a machine....please. It doesn't matter how much the Professor talked, if you're human any sexual eplicit activity will create sexual arousal for normal folk. It's not that it's wrong, but the wrong place. No doubt the Professor has more of an agenda than human studies. Studies like this should be more clinical in nature.
Outside of school, many groups offer classes or get togethers, have no problem with this, if couples want to swing, pizz on eachother, screw robots, chant, have at it if that's what makes you happy, you'll get no judgment from me.
We have a couple that swings in our neighborhood, been married for 14 years, 3 kids, seem perfectly loving, trusting and happy.
Feuer Frei!
03-05-11, 08:40 AM
They have had all kinds of "guests", swingers, gay couples, transgendered, "kinksters"
Sounds like a perfect setting for a Mardis Gras or a Swinger's Club, not a dam University Lecture Hall.
"nakd chick doin it with something" doesn't mean everyone would be...Well, if the guy is hot for guys, then not everyone, true.
We have a couple that swings in our neighborhood, been married for 14 years, 3 kids, seem perfectly loving, trusting and happy.
They may be, good for them, i just wonder about the kids part of it, :hmmm:
And i'm not saying that they subject their kids to the parent's ermm sexual tastes if you will, but kids are not dumb, they pick things up.
CHICAGO -- Northwestern University's president said Thursday that he is "troubled and disappointed" that a psychology professor allowed a couple to engage in a sex act involving a motorized sex toy in front of dozens of students, and he is calling for an investigation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/03/AR2011030304346.html
Feuer Frei!
03-05-11, 08:43 AM
Aha.
I feel it represented extremely poor judgment on the part of our faculty member
Looks like civilty, reason and sense have spoken!
I agree with tater.
The University should focus on serious subjects. Demonstrations of motorized sex toys don't fall into that category. Everybody's taxes are going up to fund this sort of garbage. To me, this is another example of public institutions wasting a lot of money.
Growler
03-05-11, 06:42 PM
I love how any action involving any kind of sexuality is immediately loathed, fearing, question, judged, and castigated.
Tater, I totally and respectfully must disagree with you - maybe masturbation isn't necessarily a "social" science, but I guarantee that adults having sex is probably at least a little social.
Seriously. The country has some buggered up notions about sex. We'll wink and nod at hookers on the streets and strip clubs, but bring anything of a sexual notion into public awareness of any kind, and it's instantly got the whole nation pulling the Puritan Act.
Never mind the fact that the room was full of consenting adults. Never mind the fact that they were warned about what was to follow. Never mind that it occurred during a part of a class series. No, because it was different, and deviated from the missionary position, and involved a woman actually experiencing an orgasm, well, then it's obviously of questionable judgement.
It's not like anyone was hurt; but wait, we can watch video footage of an ATF agent accidentally shooting himself, and that's "funny."
Gargamel
03-05-11, 09:52 PM
My other point stands, it's a silly "field of study."
That argument could be made about any field of study. It all just depends on your point of view.
If you don't like the class, don't take it.
6 billion+ people on this planet, we all can't study the same things.
Northwestern University takes with the utmost safety distance from what has occurred since it would no longer complies with the school's bylaws.
That argument could be made about any field of study. It all just depends on your point of view.
If you don't like the class, don't take it.
6 billion+ people on this planet, we all can't study the same things.
We can't study the same things, but there is no reason for some of those things to be taught at the university.
Math, biology, physics, music, engineering, art, history, literature, languages... there are a wide range of legitimate fields of study. Power-tool dildo science? Well, let's just say it says more about the quality of the school that has that in the course catalog than anything else.
Armistead
03-06-11, 09:53 AM
I love how any action involving any kind of sexuality is immediately loathed, fearing, question, judged, and castigated.
Tater, I totally and respectfully must disagree with you - maybe masturbation isn't necessarily a "social" science, but I guarantee that adults having sex is probably at least a little social.
Seriously. The country has some buggered up notions about sex. We'll wink and nod at hookers on the streets and strip clubs, but bring anything of a sexual notion into public awareness of any kind, and it's instantly got the whole nation pulling the Puritan Act.
Never mind the fact that the room was full of consenting adults. Never mind the fact that they were warned about what was to follow. Never mind that it occurred during a part of a class series. No, because it was different, and deviated from the missionary position, and involved a woman actually experiencing an orgasm, well, then it's obviously of questionable judgement.
It's not like anyone was hurt; but wait, we can watch video footage of an ATF agent accidentally shooting himself, and that's "funny."
I assume Northwestern recieves some sort of public funding, certainly the students there can get government loans at the cheap, not including all the non profits. Then all the other students pay in. In the end all this money combined pays for stuff, the use of the building, the professor, if not anything else. I assume the orgasm was free. This is not the sort of crap money needs to be spent on.
If college kids are so sexually backwards they don't know how to please a woman or understand sexuality, let em do it the old fashion way like my generation did, pay for a older skilled hooker.
I don't think anyones complained about sexual positions, machines, orgasms, so drop the puritan values, it's the funding and teaching a subject in a way that has no real learning value.
My concern is, do not professors have to get approval for subject matter like this, they should? If not, that means any nutty professor could teach any nonsense....
Feuer Frei!
03-06-11, 10:07 AM
I think once again we have all missed the point.
The media strikes again!
The media words this as "disturbing".
Is it?
To most of us it isn't, ofc not, we aren't prudes are we?
But, "Morton Schapiro of Northwestern University called the decision to allow a naked woman to demonstrate use of the device last month "poor judgement".
Big difference isn't it?
Disturbing vs Poor judgment.
If the media reported this as poor judgment rather than disturbing, would there be a 'to-and-fro' in this thread?
I doubt it very much.
Filter out the b***s*** i say!
Feuer Frei!
03-06-11, 10:17 AM
Yeah, but was she hot??? :hmmm:
You be the judge:
http://i51.tinypic.com/2dmb3is.jpg
Faith Kroll.
What the media calls it doesn't matter in the least, unless the reader is an idiot.
It's not "poor judgement," either. It's simply ridiculous that they have live demonstrations. This is a "discipline" (psychology/social "science") that claims to be "science." What is gained other than publicity?
If the class in question was a serious class, then he'd not need this kind of crap. I'm sure the class is known as an easy A—plus it has live porno. The prof get s good ratings from students, they get As and watch porno. Win!
It has zero to do with prudishness, it's a waste of time. Time that is paid for dearly by the parents, or the government, presumably to educate them more than they educate themselves getting laid.
As a reality check, my wife had to do pelvic exams on subjects, as well as prostate exams. They had live models. It was at least hands on. They learned an actual skill so that the first time they tried it on a patient, they'd not be clueless.
There would at least be an educational point to this lecture had the "lab" been "hands on." Then participants would have at least learned a technique, lol. How about if they had "Human Sexuality 301L: Sex lab for human sexuality. Students will be randomly assigned a partner for this 2 hour sex lab. Class is limited to HS301 students." That sound like a reasonable class? What if the lab were required?
Feuer Frei!
03-06-11, 10:35 AM
What the media calls it doesn't matter in the least, unless the reader is an idiot.
This is true ofc, i was merely having a 'crack' at the media.
Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots and jump on the media bandwagon.
It's not "poor judgement," either. It's simply ridiculous that they have live demonstrations. This is a "discipline" (psychology/social "science") that claims to be "science." What is gained other than publicity?Call it poor judgment, call it ridiculous, call it bad taste, call it the wrong place, call it a publicity stunt, it's all the same really. Conclusion: it shouldn't have happened.
It has zero to do with prudishness, it's a waste of time. Time that is paid for dearly by the parents, or the government, presumably to educate them more than they educate themselves getting laid.True enough.
I was merely stating that none of us are disturbed or disgusted by the notions of fornication or the acts of lovemaking or using 'aids' to orgasm.
But that the possibility of this being reported in a different manner, with a different delivery if you will, then the discussions would have been perhaps not as much in disagreement. Not that there is ofc anything wrong with this thread so far, just making a trivial point is all.
BTW, i, like you disagree with all of this. We are on the same side.
You be the judge:
http://i51.tinypic.com/2dmb3is.jpg
Faith Kroll.
That hair is awesome.
Growler
03-06-11, 12:52 PM
I assume Northwestern recieves some sort of public funding, certainly the students there can get government loans at the cheap, not including all the non profits. Then all the other students pay in. In the end all this money combined pays for stuff, the use of the building, the professor, if not anything else. I assume the orgasm was free. This is not the sort of crap money needs to be spent on.
Right. Because it's far better to save that government money for fostering welfare dependency that it might be to - possibly - spend it on a program that might teach people something.
If college kids are so sexually backwards they don't know how to please a woman or understand sexuality, let em do it the old fashion way like my generation did, pay for a older skilled hooker.
So you're advocating an illegal action involving direct participation, rather than a classroom environment where the contact involved is between two consenting adults who already have some form of relationship. What you've said here is that it is better to break the law than have sex education (even if it is outside your safe comfort level) in colleges.
I don't think anyones complained about sexual positions, machines, orgasms, so drop the puritan values, it's the funding and teaching a subject in a way that has no real learning value.
Who are you to decide that it has no learning value?
My concern is, do not professors have to get approval for subject matter like this, they should? If not, that means any nutty professor could teach any nonsense....
Took the class and know all the details, do you? How can you sit there and call it nonsense? Because it doesn't fit in your model for education? Because it involves something that this country is so scared of discussing in public?
Armistead
03-06-11, 01:22 PM
That hair is awesome.
Where did she get her education, a stripper pole.
Armistead
03-06-11, 01:29 PM
Right. Because it's far better to save that government money for fostering welfare dependency that it might be to - possibly - spend it on a program that might teach people something.
So you're advocating an illegal action involving direct participation, rather than a classroom environment where the contact involved is between two consenting adults who already have some form of relationship. What you've said here is that it is better to break the law than have sex education (even if it is outside your safe comfort level) in colleges.
Who are you to decide that it has no learning value?
Took the class and know all the details, do you? How can you sit there and call it nonsense? Because it doesn't fit in your model for education? Because it involves something that this country is so scared of discussing in public?
Bet you sat in classs with an erection, be honest...You can get any info, watch any act. The average teen watches over 3000 acts of sex per year on TV/net alone. There are 100's of clubs, sex clinics, swingers conventions andnude camps in every state freely advertised. Trust me, the college kids see and do all these things. Maybe the mutual couple should visit some of the fraternity/sorority houses where they would find how far behind the times they're.
If you really think we're such an asexual society that college kids with government funding need to watch two people screwing, good luck. Yea, I would rather see the money go to other programs such as health clinics. With rampant STD's on every level, millions of unwanted kids, it's not like tax dollars need to be wasted on learning how to have an orgasm, most learn that by age 13 under their own covers.
I find it amazing that anyone would defend this. The prof should be fired, frankly. It has zero to do with being "puritanical." Dunno how that would apply to me, since I'm not religious, and engaged in at least my fair share of non-puritanical activity in college.
What, exactly, were the educational goals of this sex-show, and how was it superior to video?
On the double-standard front, where are the protesting "women's-studies" majors? Wouldn't they find it "objectifying" to pound them with a power tool for the amusement of men?
Growler
03-06-11, 02:50 PM
Bet you sat in classs with an erection, be honest...You can get any info, watch any act. The average teen watches over 3000 acts of sex per year on TV/net alone. There are 100's of clubs, sex clinics, swingers conventions andnude camps in every state freely advertised. Trust me, the college kids see and do all these things. Maybe the mutual couple should visit some of the fraternity/sorority houses where they would find how far behind the times they're.
If you really think we're such an asexual society that college kids with government funding need to watch two people screwing, good luck. Yea, I would rather see the money go to other programs such as health clinics. With rampant STD's on every level, millions of unwanted kids, it's not like tax dollars need to be wasted on learning how to have an orgasm, most learn that by age 13 under their own covers.
So with rampant STDs on every level, kids should just go pay a hooker to learn? Then let the government money in health care cure the disease - that's what you've now said over the last two replies to me. What are your sources for the "average teen" and the amount of sex they're allegedly watching? And once more, what makes you the expert on how far behind the times the couple allegedly is?
I maintain that open education about matters - even uncomfortable ones - promotes learning. What I seem to be seeing here is an attempt to shut down a learning opportunity because it's "disturbing" - and that smacks of hypocritical censorship. We don't limit discussion of the Holocaust's six million dead for being disturbing. We don't censor medical school cadaver use for being disturbing. But the minute someone starts talking about sex, it's "disturbing."
I find it amazing that anyone would defend this. The prof should be fired, frankly. It has zero to do with being "puritanical." Dunno how that would apply to me, since I'm not religious, and engaged in at least my fair share of non-puritanical activity in college.
What, exactly, were the educational goals of this sex-show, and how was it superior to video?
On the double-standard front, where are the protesting "women's-studies" majors? Wouldn't they find it "objectifying" to pound them with a power tool for the amusement of men?
As to the educational goals of the class, I can't say - I'm not there. But I do have to offer this: How many videos can you interview after they're over? How many videos can answer your questions as they are asked?
Maybe the women's studies majors don't have enough of an issue with this to make it a big deal to them.
You can interview the woman without the sex show. There are no plausible educational goals (unless you count making the class more popular via porno) served by this. Eliciting FEELINGS is not an educational goal. There must be an intellectual goal, that's the entire point.
Maybe they can just change the name from "Northwestern" to "Jerry Springer U."
Growler
03-06-11, 05:40 PM
You can interview the woman without the sex show. There are no plausible educational goals (unless you count making the class more popular via porno) served by this. Eliciting FEELINGS is not an educational goal. There must be an intellectual goal, that's the entire point.
Maybe they can just change the name from "Northwestern" to "Jerry Springer U."
And that's my point, as well - this professor didn't just land in the middle of a well-paid job to start this class. He got into his job somehow, and this isn't the very first class (of any sort) that he's ever done.
And on a practical level, let's face it - sex sells. So does gaming - I know of several universities that offer classes around games/gaming/online games. Are these of lesser value than history or philosophy because they're based on the entertainment industry? I'd bet that Northwestern's getting all sorts of attention, website traffic, media coverage, etc. over this.
What really irks me about all this, though, is this: every single person attending that class made the choice to be there. None of them were held at gunpoint. So even if the professor made a terribad decision - did not each and every person there also make the same terribad decision? Where is the outcry over their lapses in judgement?
You can interview the woman without the sex show. There are no plausible educational goals (unless you count making the class more popular via porno) served by this. Eliciting FEELINGS is not an educational goal. There must be an intellectual goal, that's the entire point.
Maybe they can just change the name from "Northwestern" to "Jerry Springer U." "Jerry Springer U." Good, :haha:
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