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geetrue
03-02-11, 12:48 PM
Sounds very cost effective to me


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2049569,00.html?xid=rss-mostpopular



Though the world's attention has recently been focused on the unveiling of China's first ever stealth fighter jet, the Chinese military has been busy investing in another type of furtive flyer: the humble messenger pigeon. According to reports in state media, late last year, the Chengdu division of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) began training 10,000 pigeons as part of a push to build a "reserve pigeon army" that would provide support to the military's conventional communications infrastructure in the event that war rendered its plethora of modern technology unusable.
"These military pigeons will be primarily called upon to conduct special military missions between troops stationed at our land borders or ocean borders," air force military expert Chen Hong told China Central Television after the announcement. According to reports, the birds will be dispersed to communications bases across China's remote and mountainous southwestern region, particularly around the Himalayan foothills.





I didn't know this



The birds have a long history of service in China. Messenger pigeons have been used in the country for more than a thousand years, and pigeons have been earning their military stripes here since at least the late 1930s. In 1937 Lieutenant Claire Lee Chennault, a retired U.S. Air Force pilot, arrived in China to head up a group of U.S.-sponsored aviators known as the Flying Tigers, tasked with taking to the air to repel the Japanese invasion of the mainland. He brought with him hundreds of messenger pigeons to help with the war effort, and after the war, he left the birds behind. That group of pigeons would form the core of the PLA's first military pigeon brigade.

TLAM Strike
03-02-11, 01:01 PM
In other news the USAF is developing a new Hawk related anti-pigeon system...

Oberon
03-02-11, 01:09 PM
Can't kill them with EMPs. :hmmm::yep:

goldorak
03-02-11, 01:36 PM
Whats old is new again I guess.

Skybird
03-02-11, 01:45 PM
Their real secret weapon is money. It has been reported yesterday and today, that Bejing has declared its allowance that now all Chinese enterprises can run their businesses inside and outside China in Yuan. This step was to be expected sooner or later, but that it comes this early can only be explained by seeing it as a direct reaction to the flooding of the financial markets with ever newly printed dollars, which might be nice for Washington, but for all other nations is a desaster costing them billions every month.

In other words, the Chinese now have opened the unhidden attack on the dollar as the world's so far leading reserve currency. And they will win this fight.

Cheers.

If you know a bit about global finances and economics and the way the dollar profits from oil businesses with the US not even involved in a deal, you can imagine what this decision of Bejing means. I think the ruthlessness of the Fed when it switched on the dollar printers again, has provoked the Chinese for a reaction that will very very badly backfire on Washington.

UnderseaLcpl
03-02-11, 02:29 PM
I'm mostly in agreement with Skybird, though I do not share his prognosis of complete Chinese victory in the end. No point in debating it here, though. The important thing is that Sky has correctly identified the threat.

Oberon
03-02-11, 02:32 PM
Economics and resource wars are just a few decades away, if not sooner. The reaction of oil prices over the Libyan event is a sign of this.

Skybird
03-02-11, 05:08 PM
Economics and resource wars are just a few decades away, if not sooner.

They already take place, they just do not get called that, or evade the Western public's attention.

Skybird
03-02-11, 05:16 PM
I'm mostly in agreement with Skybird, though I do not share his prognosis of complete Chinese victory in the end. No point in debating it here, though. The important thing is that Sky has correctly identified the threat.
What means "complete victory"? The Yuan will replace the dollar as the world's leading currency, there can be no doubt about that, and possibly earlier than was expected. The Chinese also have changed their economic policy goals to no longer being so dependent on exports to the US - because they do not get payed with money that is worth the number printed on it. They have declared it a priority goal just weeks ago to more focus on the internal market instead.
America will start to feel this from 2012 or 2013 on, I assume.

I also expect a shift in the way oil deals gets done so far. I think that oil-producing countries more sooner than later will start to do business in yuan, at the cost of dollar-deals. And that will be another potentially catastrophic blow to the dollar.

Point is that America not just has a money problem. It has a very deep-rooting, basic, economic structural problem - and I do not see that anyone in America names it as that, and starts to adress that. The recipe of all people making decisons seems to be to just print more dollarsa. This strategy is no strategy for repair and improvment, but a guarantee for total collapse.

Some American banker today was quoted in the German press with having said the EU should do more to bail out its banks which are more in danger than the EU seem to realise. That may be ture or not, biut that he too does not mention at all the economic structural problems of America and instead focusses on just fiscal traffic patterns and demand that tax payers have to compensdate for fasiling bank management, tells me something about the extremely limited horizon and the tunnel view of many people in that kind of business.

Jimbuna
03-02-11, 06:25 PM
Well, first it was cats and now it'll be pigeons as well that you'll never see in the vicinity of the chinese takeaway :DL

nikimcbee
03-03-11, 12:31 AM
I thought they would have eaten them.




People's Liberation Army (PLA) began training 10,000 pigeons as part of a push to build a "reserve pigeon army" that would provide support to the military's conventional communications infrastructure in the event that war rendered its plethora of modern technology unusable.


On a serious note. Didn't the US pre-Iraq do a wargame , where the OPFOR forces went low-tech and beat the US. The generals got mad, so they changed the rules that the opfor had to use technology.....and the US won.:doh: I guess that doesn't look to good on the resume that you lost to a bunch of goat herders.

Castout
03-03-11, 01:26 AM
Training
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yQQRVDfVOxs/SGQfMZnEidI/AAAAAAAAAIc/q9YZJdvyj6k/s320/PigeonWar.jpg

Graduation
http://www.damninteresting.net/content/pigeonbomber.jpg


Next is mind to mind communication though preventing tapping would be a problem. :O:

http://www.theuniversesolved.com/images/telepathy.jpg