Cost of gas in your area?

[Armistead]

Wonder what you guys are paying for gas in your area. Paid 3.49 per gal this morning in NC. Food prices are really going up.

[Sailor Steve]

$3.19 in Salt Lake City.

[HunterICX]

1,30 € a Liter (unleaded 95)

HunterICX

[STEED]

Welcome to my world here in the UK.









^ Since posting the above the price has gone up another 3p. ^

[Schroeder]

I don't see anything in your post regarding a price. :hmm2:

1,55€ (2,13 USD) here for a litre of unleaded 95.:dead:

[GoldenRivet]

$3.09 / gallon in my neck of Texas

[Dowly]

Think it's around 1.4€/litre

[TLAM Strike]

$3.29

[Sailor Steve]

1,30 € a Liter (unleaded 95)
1,55€ (2,13 USD) here for a litre of unleaded 95.:dead:
Think it's around 1.4€/litre
We're talking about gas, not petrol. :O:
:rotfl2:

[kiwi_2005]

$2 a litre

[TFatseas]

Between 3.29 and 3.39 a gallon over the last week.

[HunterICX]

We're talking about gas, not petrol. :O:
:rotfl2:

Bah you silly Americans!

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

We're talking about gas, not petrol. :O:
:rotfl2:
You don't want me to talk about MY gas.;)

[Sailor Steve]

Bah you silly Americans!
Not all Americans are silly! :nope:

I try to avoid the ones who aren't. :D

[Gerald]

We're talking about gas, not petrol. :O:
:rotfl2: Talk to Steed, he has certainly gas, as much as he farting :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Talk to Steed, he has certainly gas, as much as he farting :O:
Not nearly so subtle as Schroeder's.

[Takeda Shingen]

$3.17 for regular yesterday in Allentown.

[yubba]

Koo koo beach Florida 3.38 rose 30 cents in 2 days.

[STEED]

Unleaded 127.9 p/l
Diesel 131.9 p/l

Prices are set to rise by another 3p plus another 1p in April thanks to the government. Are prices here in the UK are much higher than main land Europe.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Yesterday, going from our house to NAS Corpus Christi I saw prices from $3.03 to $3.19. Dunno what it is today :hmmm:

[Penguin]

9.07 eurocent per kw/h for gas here :O:

the price for petrol is like Schroeder said

[Growler]

Roughly, $3.30/gal. 87.

[AVGWarhawk]

I got it for $3.17 regular today Growler. That was over here in Glen Burnout, MD.

[Growler]

I got it for $3.17 regular today Growler. That was over here in Glen Burnout, MD.

Nice! Not bad for GB.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice! Not bad for GB.

The state is looking to jack the tax on gas well. Somewhere around .10 cent per gallon.

[redsocialist]

Bah you silly Americans!

HunterICX

:haha::haha::haha:
:yeah:

[tater]

I just paid $3.58/gal for premium today. Haven't look at regular prices in a few years since our euro-cars want premium.

[Ducimus]

Payed 3.59 for 87 octane (IE, the cheap ****) a couple days ago here in good ole "cantaffordya". (california)

I noticed the diesal pump right next to the 87 octane was at 4.00 a gallon. Food prices will increase shortly.

[Betonov]

€ 1,29 per liter

thats (doing math :88)) about 6,75 USD per gallon

[Jimbuna]

1,30 € a Liter (unleaded 95)

HunterICX

Only slightly cheaper than here in the UK.

[Ducimus]

€ 1,29 per liter

thats (doing math :88)) about 6,75 USD per gallon

You know, it's well known and established that the UK pay much more for their gas/mogas/petrol (whatever you want to call it), then Americans do. But the question I have is, how far does the Average joe over there drive on their daily commute to work? DO they drive to work at all, or take some form of mass transit?

In most of the US, this is no mass transit system to speak of. If you want to get to work, you must drive yourself there. The average Joe here (in california at least) drives anywhere between 20 to 50 miles to work, or 40 to 100 miles per day round trip, depending on where they live.

[Collin Dougherty]

3.25 here in windy (VERY WINDY!) Pittston Pennsylvania

[Collin Dougherty]

Thats regular btw

[Schroeder]

In most of the US, this is no mass transit system to speak of. If you want to get to work, you must drive yourself there. The average Joe here (in california at least) drives anywhere between 20 to 50 miles to work, or 40 to 100 miles per day round trip, depending on where they live.
That's getting a standard here too.

[tater]

A few things about public transportation. Busses are cost effective.

All other methods? Subsidized more per seat-mile than cars (via road/highway subsidy).

No one wants to ride a bus, more might find trains cool, but they all lose money (not just in the US—it became clear in our high speed rail discussion that HSR in Germany was subsidized by the government—the parent company profits because commercial rail (hauling freight) IS very profitable.

The light rail in LA is so cost ineffective that all the lower income riders could be given a new Prius every 5 years, and have all costs associated with operating it paid for, and LA would still save money. Japan's rail system is also a known problem in terms of cost.

Nice idea, but it needs to at least break even with fares including a subsidy no greater than that given to roads per seat-mile traveled.

The US is also so spread out that public transport is very difficult. Take the train from Santa Fe to work in ABQ, and you then need to get from one of the 2 train stations to everywhere else—and the bulk of town is miles away at right angles from the rail line (and way too steep for trains).

[Buddahaid]

$3.75 and climbing daily.

[Sailor Steve]

:haha::haha::haha:
:yeah:
And, completely missing the joke, he laughs for all the wrong reasons.

[Armistead]

Scary, saying it could go 4-$5 per gallon in a few months. The US, greatest nation in the world with no energy policy.:shifty:

[Ducimus]

Personaly, im amazed it hadn't hit 5 yet. If i remember correctly It hit 4 dollars already a few years back. Or at least it seemed to. I tend to round upwards with my expenditures and round down my income.

edit:
The US, greatest nation in the world with no energy policy.
Oil companies can pretty much charge whatever they want, and we'll pay it. We always do. It's not like we have a choice.

[nikimcbee]

~$3.39:shifty:

[Gorduz]

In Norway the prices are around 13 NOK / litre = 9 USD/gal, almost all of it taxes.

[Betonov]

You know, it's well known and established that the UK pay much more for their gas/mogas/petrol (whatever you want to call it), then Americans do. But the question I have is, how far does the Average joe over there drive on their daily commute to work? DO they drive to work at all, or take some form of mass transit?

In most of the US, this is no mass transit system to speak of. If you want to get to work, you must drive yourself there. The average Joe here (in california at least) drives anywhere between 20 to 50 miles to work, or 40 to 100 miles per day round trip, depending on where they live.

That's slovenian prices. Probibly the highest around if you take the an average pay into account. The UK and Scandinavia have higher prices, but people there earn almost tripple what we do.

But no one here drives more than 50 km (30miles) to work. Still, everyone drives anywhere since the public transit is a joke

[papa_smurf]

Don't forget the government here adds 75% fuel duty to our petrol prices.

[Gorduz]

That's slovenian prices. Probibly the highest around if you take the an average pay into account. The UK and Scandinavia have higher prices, but people there earn almost tripple what we do.

But no one here drives more than 50 km (30miles) to work. Still, everyone drives anywhere since the public transit is a joke

You are right, that is a very relevant parameter. I suggest we start using the big mac index from now on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_mac_index

A gallon of fuel in Norway costs around 1 big mac!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/BigMacCroatia.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BigMacCroatia.jpg

[Growler]

You are right, that is a very relevant parameter. I suggest we start using the big mac index from now on!


Now, if we could get one of those things to actually BE the fuel - our cars'd never need gas again.




Until they dropped dead of clogged fuel injectors.

[tater]

Oil companies can pretty much charge whatever they want, and we'll pay it. We always do. It's not like we have a choice.

And what "they want" is grossly lower than prices in Europe, and pretty much the rest of the developed world.

Having an energy policy apparently means $6-10/gal gas.

Just sayin'.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Personaly, im amazed it hadn't hit 5 yet. If i remember correctly It hit 4 dollars already a few years back. Or at least it seemed to. I tend to round upwards with my expenditures and round down my income.
A wise policy. However, even five dollars to the gallon is a steal compared to what our forward-thinking friends in Europe pay, especially given their ownership of and proximity to oil they actually use as opposed to the US. As far as I can tell, the only European country benefitting from oil policy is Norway, which foolishly has half its GNP tied up in oil alone. Better hope they don't run out.

Oil companies can pretty much charge whatever they want, and we'll pay it. We always do. It's not like we have a choice.
That's the popular theory, but it is incorrect. Even with our heavy dependence upon oil and our comparitive (although still far too heavy, imo) lack of macroeconomic regulation in the petroleum industry, the US consumer is far from being as exploitable as you might suppose. It is correct to say that the price of fuel as a percentage of personal income has increased. It is also correct to say that the oil industry can charge us more than what most of us would consider a "fair" price in the short-term. It is incorrect to say that oil companies can charge whatever they want, and I don't mean that in the sense of semantic hair-splitting.

If you will recall, this is not the first time gas prices have risen sharply. Don't take my word for it, though. Ask the US auto industry. Their business model was all but destroyed by increases in fuel prices. The evidence of the preparedness of the American consumer to adapt and overcome is all around you. People drive lighter cars with smaller engines. They carpool. They make fewer trips. They price-hunt for the cheapest gas; something which most successful fuel-station chains have used to their advantage by offering gas for less than a cent on the dollar (or even a negative profit) whilst offering overpriced "conveniences" of almost every variety to make up for the lack of profit.

People have even gone so far as to demand alternative energy or energy "policies" from the government. The proof of that is all around you as well. At least 10% of your gasoline is corn-ethanol, despite the fact that corn-ethanol contains water (which is bad for your engine), is less efficient than gasoline, and is extremely expensive to produce in terms of land requirements and capital. People buy subsidized "hybrid" cars. Billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars have been thrown at the problem of solving consumer discontent with the price of fuel with a layer of environmental feel-goodness thrown on top by those willing to provide such peace of mind for a small fee. Though I disagree with most of the measures in the last paragraph, they serve as an adequate gauge of the determination of the US populace to rein in fuel prices.

Oil companies know all this and more. They have legions of well-compensated and often well-motivated employees working to understand these factors every day. They also employ regiments of lobbyists to ensure their competitive viability when consumers call the government in. Rather than an agency for regulation, the government becomes just another battlefield, save that we don't have a vote.

What oil companies are doing is charging what yields the most profitability. You can't blame them for that. Their investors expect it of them. When was the last time anyone here stole money from their boss to donate to charity? When was the last time anyone here took a pay cut to allow someone else to donate to an unspecified charity? When was the last time anyone here paid someone for costing them money, friends/relatives aside? Probably never. Most companies have about the same level of morality, or amorality, however one wants to describe it.

All that said, we in the US generally enjoy considerably lower fuel prices than our forward-thinking betters across the pond, so which is to blame? Is it the market, or the state?

[nikimcbee]

now up to ~$3.60s:shifty:/ gallon

[Ducimus]

Think I paid 3.75 last week.


As per the oil companies. There is no argument that can justify how much profit they were (are) making while at the same time they raised gas prices. Im referring to the last time gas went up. I know it was in the 4 dollar range. I know this because at the time, i was driving 70 miles per day, filling up every 4 days, at.. now that i think about it.... 4.35 or so? It was in that ball park.

So im shelling out more cash, and the oil companies announce BILLIONS IN PROFIT. There is no justification for that. But there's a name for it. It's called GOUGING. No amount fancy corporate speak can tap dance around that.

[nikimcbee]

Think I paid 3.75 last week.


As per the oil companies. There is no argument that can justify how much profit they were making while at the same time they raised gas prices. Im referring to the last time gas went up. I know it was in the 4 dollar range. I know this because at the time, i was driving 70 miles per day, filling up once a week, at.. now that i think about it.... 4.35 or so? It was in that ball park.

So im shelling out more cash, and the oil companies announce BILLIONS IN PROFIT. There is no justification for that. But there's a name for it. It's called GOUGING.
How much of that goes to Kali-fornia in taxes?:D:dead:

[Ducimus]

How much of that goes to Kali-fornia in taxes?:D:dead:

More then a normal state. Whatever your paying, its 10 cents more in california, at the very least. The reasons because the smog gestapo here demands a cleaner formula.

The end result is the oil companies price gouging, whenever someone sneezes in the middle east, all the more painful.

And yeah, given their profits, i see no justification for the prices other then pure corporate GREED. I mean seriously, are they using Libya as their excuse this time? I'm not "buying" that excuse, not for one freaking minute.

[Penguin]

I would say that the amount of money which us Europeans spend on petrol is about the same than the USAnians spend on gas.
Especially in the cities here you are much less dependant on a car than over the pond. The commute way to work is usually much shorter and the average mpg of the car fleet here is less than in the US. So I think with these adjusting factors the oils prices put the same hole in all our wallets.



The light rail in LA is so cost ineffective that all the lower income riders could be given a new Prius every 5 years, and have all costs associated with operating it paid for, and LA would still save money. Japan's rail system is also a known problem in terms of cost.

Nice idea, but it needs to at least break even with fares including a subsidy no greater than that given to roads per seat-mile traveled.



Do you have any statistics for that? I am really interested what pov the makers of this study have.
do they also regard the real vehicle operational costs? (repairs/tolls/taxes, etc)
And there is also the factor of costs which public transportation helps to avoid: Money lost through pollution and traffic jams (time, money and goods get wasted by jams)


The end result is the oil companies price gouging, whenever someone sneezes in the middle east, all the more painful.

And yeah, given their profits, i see no justification for the prices other then pure corporate GREED. I mean seriously, are they using Libya as their excuse this time? I'm not "buying" that excuse, not for one freaking minute.

Hey, this is only "fair"!;) When you had the storms in the Gulf of Mexico, our prices here went up too - though we import only a few drops of the oil which is produced there.
Germany gets about 10% of its oil from Libya, I wonder how much you get from there, I bet it's much less.

[Platapus]

Perhaps I can get a good price for the Prius I am selling. :arrgh!:

[I-25]

also on good old southern california... san diego to be exact

3.79 regular 87oct.
4.07 premum 91oct.
4.09 diesel...

and this is at a cheap'o gas station

[Penguin]

Perhaps I can get a good price for the Prius I am selling. :arrgh!:

Someone outside of California driving a Prius? :haha: C'mon, you don't expect us to believe this! Does it run on snake oil? :O:

[Ducimus]

also on good old southern california... san diego to be exact

3.79 regular 87oct.
4.07 premum 91oct.
4.09 diesel...

and this is at a cheap'o gas station

Joy. Im gassing up tonight. Ill be sure to remember how much it is in Upland.

[seaniam81]

dreading filling my 93 GMC at 1.20 CAD/ Litre

[Rebel]

3.57 scottsdale az

[sharkbit]

Filled up this morning on the way to work-
$3.60/gallon 87 octane.

The other options were-
$3.40 85 octane
$3.80 91 octane

:nope:

[Platapus]

Someone outside of California driving a Prius? :haha: C'mon, you don't expect us to believe this! Does it run on snake oil? :O:

I love my Prius. The only reason I am getting rid of it is because of my dog rescue stuff. I needed something a little bigger in the cargo area.

Comfortable car and the WORST gas mileage I ever got was 40.

[Ducimus]

I love my Prius. The only reason I am getting rid of it is because of my dog rescue stuff. I needed something a little bigger in the cargo area.


Get a Ford Ranger in a 4 cylinder. You buy American and get 29 highway in one fell swoop.

In related news:

Gas price surge reaches the 2-week mark

Gas prices have risen nearly 15 cents so far this month. That's on top of a nearly 27 cent increase in February.

California continues to have the highest gas prices in the nation, with drivers there paying an average of $3.908 a gallon. Hawaii had the second highest average price at $3.89 a gallon, while Alaska came in third at $3.845 a gallon.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/08/news/economy/gas_prices/

[Penguin]

I love my Prius. The only reason I am getting rid of it is because of my dog rescue stuff. I needed something a little bigger in the cargo area.

Comfortable car and the WORST gas mileage I ever got was 40.

just wondering, never saw a Prius outside CA...
40mpg is about the best I get :o, but only when i travel at constant speed about 60/65 mph, but I drive a small car (cliché european ;))

[Platapus]

just wondering, never saw a Prius outside CA...
40mpg is about the best I get :o, but only when i travel at constant speed about 60/65 mph, but I drive a small car (cliché european ;))

I don't know where you have lived, but in North Virginia there is a cubic buttload of Prius. In my office complex there are about 10 between the three buildings.

If you want to be invisible here, drive a silver Prius. You will blend in. :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Oil companies can pretty much charge whatever they want, and we'll pay it. We always do. It's not like we have a choice.

We've been pretty much doing that for at least equally as long if not longer and don't forget we are also an 'oil producer'.........pro rata of course.

[Penguin]

I don't know where you have lived, but in North Virginia there is a cubic buttload of Prius. In my office complex there are about 10 between the three buildings.

If you want to be invisible here, drive a silver Prius. You will blend in. :yeah:

When crossing the border from CA to NV all Priusses suddenly disappear...
To be fair, I've been to the States also prior to the Prius age, lived there only for a short time, but even then I had the feeling that people in Beetles, Escorts or other small cars get hunted down merciless :DL

What's the deal with silver btw? Same in Germany, all cars are black, white or silver, people don't like colour anymore...:cry: That's my the Pengumobile is yellow: easy to spot at a parking lot. :DL

[Gerald]

Mine is steel gray,not black or other colorful colors found in Germany.

[Ducimus]

We've been pretty much doing that for at least equally as long if not longer and don't forget we are also an 'oil producer'.........pro rata of course.

yeah that's been well established. The thing is, i'll wager you guys don't use nearly as much gas as we do. The majority of the US has no mass transportation, and where people live, and where people work are far flung. We are VERY dependant on our cars here. Lets be clear. If you don't have a car, you cannot go to work.

Right now, i live 27 miles from work. So i drive 54 miles a day. Thats not bad. I used to live 37 miles from work, and driving 74 miles a day. The company i work for is planning on moving another 15 miles south of where it currently is. I am not looking forward to driving 42 miles to work, and driving 84 miles per day.

I live where I live because it is affordable. Picking up and moving to certain locales closer to work is out of the question when due to rent increases that would add another 500 to 900 dollars on top of what im already paying.

Subway's? In New york maybe.
Buses? Thats laughable. They either do not run where you need to go, or have a route that adds 4 hours to a one way commute.
Commuter trains? Not always an option, their existance is relatively new. From where i work and where i live, this is NOT an option, nor is a buss.

That leaves cars.

[Jimbuna]

Then I guess it's well nigh near the time to lobby those you elect and get them to implement a feasible transportation infrastructure don't you think....after all you are the richest economy on the planet.




*simply yanking your chain*

[Ducimus]

feasible transportation infrastructure don't you think....after all you are the richest economy on the planet.
]

The irony is our infrastructure is crumbling. In some areas in the US, electrical and sewage services are on par with a 2nd or 3rd world nation.

[nikimcbee]

The irony is our infrastructure is crumbling. In some areas in the US, electrical and sewage services are on par with a 2nd or 3rd world nation.

Is that because they (the powers to be), transferred 600k dollars from the sewer fund to build bike paths?


....and then complained that the sewer fund is low?:har:

That's par for the course in portland.

You get what you vote for.

[Armistead]

More then a normal state. Whatever your paying, its 10 cents more in california, at the very least. The reasons because the smog gestapo here demands a cleaner formula.

The end result is the oil companies price gouging, whenever someone sneezes in the middle east, all the more painful.

And yeah, given their profits, i see no justification for the prices other then pure corporate GREED. I mean seriously, are they using Libya as their excuse this time? I'm not "buying" that excuse, not for one freaking minute.

Wait until it reaches $5 a gallon by summer. The oil corps are loving this.

[Ducimus]

Wait until it reaches $5 a gallon by summer. The oil corps are loving this.

You know, i really wish the impeding crash would just happen already, cause at least then i would not be wondering about the future anymore with this sense of impending doom. At least that's the impression I have, that the economy is just sitting there, dangeling by a thin thread, and all it takes is a good gust of wind to send it all crashing down. I don't think its a question of If, but when. High cost of gas could do that. That goes up, and it will send everything else spiraling out of control until the "Great Recession" turns into the "Great Depression version 2.0".

[Ducimus]

I took these photo's just 20 minutes ago.

http://www.ducimus.net/temp/mogas_mar_08.jpg
Monthly expenditures are definately going up. What worries me in the long term is what the new gas price will be fixed at after Big Oil runs out of excuses. Gas prices will probably drop in the future, but they'll be higher then what they were before. Im guessing it will probably go down to 3.50 or 3.75 after all's said and done. I HIGHLY doublt we'll see it go back down to the 3.20 to 3.30 it was before. Why do i expect that? cause its what the big oil exec's did to everybody before. no reason to not expect them to dick us over again. Yeah I realize that oil production has peaked, but i cannot see how prices are justfied so long as Oil is turning BILLIONS in pure unadulterated profit.

edit: Oh and BTW, this is the cheap station in my area. The other stations usually charge 5 to 10 cents more.

http://www.ducimus.net/temp/diesal_mar_08.jpg
More important then unleaded, is Diesal! Cost of foods, goods, and services should be going up soon.

I wonder where it will peak at. In an odd way, i hope its 5 dollars, or more!. Maybe that will get enough people bitching at the politicians to reign in those greedy bastards.


EDIT:
Oh here's a fun fact. Of my 8 hour work day today, 3 of them just went into my gas tank.

[Rhodes]

€1.593 Unlead 95; €1.725 Unlead 98; €1.443 Diesel; €1.515 Diesel+; €0.826 GPL (gas) per litre. :down::dead:

[Platapus]

The taxes on Diesel are very high.

Would people be in favour of a separate tax for commercial use of diesel and a separate tax on Passenger car diesel?

Diesel technology has many advantages. Personally, I like the idea of a passenger car that has a Diesel-electric series powertrain.

I wonder how many people would buy a diesel car if the taxes were more aligned with what people bay for MoGas?

[Ducimus]

Not in my area, but in my state.

5.40, yup, thats five dollars and fourty cents.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-590490

In my area, last i looked, it was 4.20, though I paid 4.30 in Orange.

[Bakkels]

Well there's always worse. Here in Holland you pay €1,74 per liter which comes down to $9,50 per gallon.. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

In the UK we are now averaging over £1.30 a litre...absolutely disgraceful and nothing short of legalised robbery :stare:

[TarJak]

Average is AU$1.45/L at the moment. About AU$0.10 more for premium 98 Octane.

[THE_MASK]

$1.56 litre diesel . Brisbane = $5.90 a gallon .

[jumpy]

I wonder how many people would buy a diesel car if the taxes were more aligned with what people bay for MoGas?

MoGas = LPG? (lpg used to be about 30-40ppl it's now around twice that much)

Well, here in blighty diesel used to be cheaper than petrol, this, encouraged by the government, led to many people buying diesel cars. Over time diesel became more expensive with the addition of higher fuel duty. dutylolz. I'd expect your model to follow the same lines.... be afraid, be very afraid.

Currently 1 litre of diesel can be as much as £1.41.9 (indeed higher in some places), with petrol being about 5ppl cheaper.

in real terms it means filling up from empty will cost about £130.00 per tank (89L).
This is with the bog-standard economy diesel fuel, never mind about your V-power from shell or whatever.
It makes me rage every time I get rapped at the pump.

[Bakkels]

MoGas = LPG? (lpg used to be about 30-40ppl it's now around twice that much)

Well, here in blighty diesel used to be cheaper than petrol, this, encouraged by the government, led to many people buying diesel cars. Over time diesel became more expensive with the addition of higher fuel duty. dutylolz. I'd expect your model to follow the same lines.... be afraid, be very afraid.

Currently 1 litre of diesel can be as much as £1.41.9 (indeed higher in some places), with petrol being about 5ppl cheaper.

in real terms it means filling up from empty will cost about £130.00 per tank (89L).
This is with the bog-standard economy diesel fuel, never mind about your V-power from shell or whatever.
It makes me rage every time I get rapped at the pump.

So diesel is more expensive in the UK than regular petrol? :hmmm:
That's kinda weird.. Or are there tax-benefits when driving diesel in the UK? Cause here in the Netherlands, diesel is quite a bit cheaper than petrol, but you pay more road-tax (or whatever it's called in English).
So you only benefit from diesel when you're driving more than 30.000 km.

[Ducimus]

MoGas = LPG?

I dunno what LPG is, but "MoGas" is what Unleaded gasoline is called in the US military.

[jumpy]

So diesel is more expensive in the UK than regular petrol? :hmmm:
That's kinda weird.. Or are there tax-benefits when driving diesel in the UK? Cause here in the Netherlands, diesel is quite a bit cheaper than petrol, but you pay more road-tax (or whatever it's called in English).
So you only benefit from diesel when you're driving more than 30.000 km.

No tax benefits for driving a diesel. You can get vehicles that get cheaper road tax, but that's based on retrospective (back to vehicles registered from 2001) road tax based on c02 emissions*. Basically less emissions = less tax, and in some cases, no road tax at all.

Essentially, drivers here have been encouraged to buy diesel vehicles - the original cost of diesel in the UK was cheaper than petrol - diesel was hailed as more efficient and therefore greener and less polluting than petrol.
So more people got diesel cars. The end result is that diesel is now more expensive than unleaded petrol, by a margin of at least 5 pence per litre on average.
I dunno what LPG is, but "MoGas" is what Unleaded gasoline is called in the US military.

Ah, ok. LPG - liquid petroleum gas.


* whilst this has made the road tax on some cars cheaper, it has made others more expensive. Eg. landrover discovery 2001 TD5 2.5L used to cost about £200 per year to tax. After the retrospective change in road tax back to 2001, the same vehicle is now about £400 to tax for the year.

[Jimbuna]

Essentially, drivers here have been encouraged to buy diesel vehicles - the original cost of diesel in the UK was cheaper than petrol - diesel was hailed as more efficient and therefore greener and less polluting than petrol.
So more people got diesel cars. The end result is that diesel is now more expensive than unleaded petrol, by a margin of at least 5 pence per litre on average.



Reminds me of the eighties when the Thatcher administration opened up council houses for sale and encouraged people to purchase tey're own property.

Look at the situation in recent years and the number of homes repossessed.

[Gerald]

1.4 euro One litre Petrol

[nikimcbee]

~$3.80:shifty:

I miss my .99 cent gas from the mid 90s:dead:.

[Jimbuna]

~$3.80:shifty:

I miss my .99 cent gas from the mid 90s:dead:.

Yeah but that's per gallon not per litre :DL

[DarkFish]

€1.65 a litre

How many litres is a gallon anyway? Wikipedia gives 2 different types of US gallons.
Crazy Americans with all your strange units... miles, feet, gallons, ounces...

[Gerald]

€1.65 a litre

How many litres is a gallon anyway? Wikipedia gives 2 different types of US gallons.
Crazy Americans with all your strange units... miles, feet, gallons, ounces... 1 US gallon = 3.785411784 liters/1 UK (Imperial) gallon = 4.54609188 liters.

http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/gallons

[Jimbuna]

€1.65 a litre

How many litres is a gallon anyway? Wikipedia gives 2 different types of US gallons.
Crazy Americans with all your strange units... miles, feet, gallons, ounces...

It's smaller than the imperial gallon of 4.54 but I doubt they care at the lower prices they are paying.

[Sailor Steve]

I miss my .99 cent gas from the mid 90s:dead:.
And I miss my .25 cent gas from the mid '60s. On the other hand I recall once seeing a cartoon in a very old book on the Ford Model T. A guy is staring at a pump and saying "Fifteen cents a gallon? That's highway robbery!"

I saw $3.55 at a station yesterday.

[Jimbuna]

And I miss my .25 cent gas from the mid '60s. On the other hand I recall once seeing a cartoon in a very old book on the Ford Model T. A guy is staring at a pump and saying "Fifteen cents a gallon? That's highway robbery!"

I saw $3.55 at a station yesterday.

Pump it direct to the Buna estate Steve and I'll pay you double what you paid...how's that for a cool business arrangemment? :DL

[Gerald]

http://i.imgur.com/KcXIV.jpg
A consumer pumps gasoline at a gas station in Sandy Springs, Ga. Already tumbling due to increased production and a boost in imports, gas prices could dip more as refiners start selling less-expensive winter fuel blends.

http://i.imgur.com/7nhbI.jpg
The remnants of an old car and gas pump at Bob Audette's place, east of Edgewood.

[Platapus]

I remember my dad telling me how his friends used to tease him because my dad paid $0.26 per gallon of Arco White Gas. He was just throwing his money away!

Them days is gone. :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

Pump it direct to the Buna estate Steve and I'll pay you double what you paid...how's that for a cool business arrangemment? :DL
Considering the money I'd have to spend on the pipes to get it there, not so much. :sunny:

[Jimbuna]

Considering the money I'd have to spend on the pipes to get it there, not so much. :sunny:
I'll create a single mission with a convoy full of large tankers and no u-boats enroute....should be cost effective/cheap as chips :DL

[Ducimus]

It's smaller than the imperial gallon of 4.54 but I doubt they care at the lower prices they are paying.

When your daily commute is 60 miles a day, gas prices will bite you hard at 4.XX plus a gallon.

I used to drive 74 miles per day. When my company moves location (assuming im still here and not laid off), my 60 mile per day commute, will be upped to 80 miles per day.

So our prices don't seem so low to me.

What's the average commute for an average Joe drive in the UK? It can't be anywhere what were forced to drive here. Between those big ass busses, subways, trains, etc, all the mass transit that im assuming you have that we don't, leads me to think you can't be driving nearly as far.

[FIREWALL]

Most of the gas stations around me are near $5.00 a gallon. :cry:

[Jimbuna]

When your daily commute is 60 miles a day, gas prices will bite you hard at 4.XX plus a gallon.

I used to drive 74 miles per day. When my company moves location (assuming im still here and not laid off), my 60 mile per day commute, will be upped to 80 miles per day.

So our prices don't seem so low to me.

What's the average commute for an average Joe drive in the UK? It can't be anywhere what were forced to drive here. Between those big ass busses, subways, trains, etc, all the mass transit that im assuming you have that we don't, leads me to think you can't be driving nearly as far.

No, I guess your right on the average daily commute to work but just top make your day, I travel 1 1/2 miles.......but still by car and receive 42 pence per mile allowance :DL

[Betonov]

I'll create a single mission with a convoy full of large tankers and no u-boats enroute....should be cost effective/cheap as chips :DL

Where do I apply for a captains position

[Ducimus]

No, I guess your right on the average daily commute to work but just top make your day, I travel 1 1/2 miles.......but still by car and receive 42 pence per mile allowance :DL

Oh, you lazy bum! At 1.5 miles, i'd be riding a bicycle everyday! I'm guessing you fill up your gas tank.... once a month? :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

No, I guess your right on the average daily commute to work but just top make your day, I travel 1 1/2 miles.......but still by car and receive 42 pence per mile allowance :DL

Jim, I walked to school that far every day! Up hill both ways. :DL At that kid of mileage I think I would walk or ride by bike to work. I drive a total of 14 miles a day. Makes high gas prices a bit easier.

[Jimbuna]

Oh, you lazy bum! At 1.5 miles, i'd be riding a bicycle everyday! I'm guessing you fill up your gas tank.... once a month? :O:

Jim, I walked to school that far every day! Up hill both ways. :DL At that kid of mileage I think I would walk or ride by bike to work. I drive a total of 14 miles a day. Makes high gas prices a bit easier.

Whilst in the force my daily commute was 22 miles per day so I was forced to use the car (either that or face the chow of travelling by metro train and changing in and out of uniform twice per shift) so I suppose old habits die hard....besides, I'm not getting any younger, I'm a pensioner now :DL

[Sailor Steve]

Oh, you lazy bum! At 1.5 miles, i'd be riding a bicycle everyday! I'm guessing you fill up your gas tank.... once a month? :O:
:yep:

I've been riding the bus during the winter, but now that it's warming up I'll be riding my bike seven miles each way to band practice. And suffering mightily for the first few weeks.

[Jimbuna]

:yep:

I've been riding the bus during the winter, but now that it's warming up I'll be riding my bike seven miles each way to band practice. And suffering mightily for the first few weeks.

Ayoung fellow in the prime of life like you should be jogging that distance :DL

[Gotland]

Most gas stations closest to me have a price of around 14,5 kronor/Liter. This is in a suburb of Stockholm.

14,5 kronor = 2,3 US dollars = 1,6 Euros

1 liter = 0,26 US gallons.

I don't own a car though and i almost never drive, so luckily i don't feel the high gas prices much.

[Ducimus]

Paid 4.20 per gallon last night on my way home.

I also sat there and multiplied my trip meter to the amount I put into the tank, and figured out i'm getting 28 MPH, and thats after lead footing it a little bit. Not bad for a pickup!

I do love my Ford Ranger. Pity they're discontinuing the best gas mileage pickup on the market this year in the US. The powers that be at Ford, must be monumentally stupid.

[Madox58]

I don't own a car though


That's pretty much what alot of us in the U.S.A. will be saying in just a short time.
That don't bother me to much as I still get over 50 MPG on my Triumph.

2nd best thing those Brits ever gave the World.

[Platapus]

That's pretty much what alot of us in the U.S.A. will be saying in just a short time.



If the US were to invest in a workable public transportation system, I would be the first to leave the car in the driveway during the week. :yep: I would love to be able to relax on public transportation to and from work.

Here in North Virginia, our public transportation system does not cover a lot of the area. :nope:

[Madox58]

The only 'Public Transportation' in my area?
http://www.blogarchive.samueldenisdortun.info/uploaded_images/Hitchhike_to_Transilvania-706942.jpg

[antikristuseke]

Gas over here is about 1.35 euros a liter

[CaptainMattJ.]

one straw penny

Dat ders sum hefty prices i tell you whut!

[kranz]

I don't own a car though and i almost never drive, so luckily i don't feel the high gas prices much.

Unluckily you eat and probably smth like 99% of these products' prices are influenced by gas price rise/gas price in general.
Apologies for spoiling the party.

[Gotland]

Unluckily you eat and probably smth like 99% of these products' prices are influenced by gas price rise/gas price in general.
Apologies for spoiling the party.

Yeah i know, should have phrased it a little better, what i should have said is that, by not woning a car, i save alot of money. Ofc, products are transported by gas-consuming vehicles, so im still affected, but not as much as if i were to drive.

[nikimcbee]

I spent $60 to fill up the van.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V9olK-86DoI/THfO5czUn7I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/29Xh0W9PtYU/s1600/FUUUU.jpg

(he's saying fudge:D)

[CaptainHaplo]

Gas Prices in my area?

Too D*** much!

I put $80 in my workvan ever other day at least - sometimes every day depending on where I have to go. Thank the good lord I have a fleet card!

[Armistead]

It's bad, to think that what I now spend to fill a gas can for the mower use to almost fill my car.

Cost $122.00 to fill up my truck, not that I hardly drive it anymore. I bought a cheap Ford Taurus for $800 bucks at the auction, much better milage.

[Sailor Steve]

Unluckily you eat and probably smth like 99% of these products' prices are influenced by gas price rise/gas price in general.
Apologies for spoiling the party.
On the other hand, people who own cars suffer those same effects and have to pay for gas on top of it. So your party is still worse. There is a trade-off though: my transportation options are limited to times the buses run, and one more than one Sunday I've ended up walking seven miles to get home.

[Ducimus]

If the US were to invest in a workable public transportation system,

You know, i was watching this documentary I had recorded on DVR, called "The crumbling of America". It basically was talking about our neglected and falling apart infrastructure. Things are in pretty sad shape. And it occur's to me, that if we can't even maintain what we currently have, what makes anyone thing we could invest in anything new?

[DarkFish]

Paid 4.20 per gallon last night on my way home.Lucky you. I pay €1.60 a litre, which is $8.86 a gallon.
Nothing too special around here.

[Ducimus]

On the subject of "im butthurt more then you, so STFU with your gas prices", I still think higher gas prices in Europe mean didley squat , because i really don't think you folks are required to drive near the distances that we do.

When your required to drive 300 to 450 miles in a five day week because the only affordable place to live is 30 to 45 miles from work, THEN you might have something to argue with.

[DarkFish]

On the subject of "im butthurt more then you, so STFU with your gas prices", I still think higher gas prices in Europe mean didley squat , because i really don't think you folks are required to drive near the distances that we do.

When your required to drive 300 to 450 miles in a five day week because the only affordable place to live is 30 to 45 miles from work, THEN you might have something to argue with.It may not be as common as in the US, but there are huge loads of people here as well who drive similar distances.

And public transportation isn't really a good option here either. A one-way ticket from Eindhoven to Arnhem without discount costs €14.40, even more than I pay for petrol for the same distance in my Mitsubishi Colt, and taking over two times as much time.

[Ducimus]

Most everybody here drives the distances i described. Not huge loads of people, but the vast majority of people. If California was going to be given a subtitle, "Land of the Car" would be appropriate.

There is no public transportation to speak of. What little there is, is ridiuclous. Either they don't route the way you go, or their route is insanely stupid. A 15 minute drive would take you over two hours on a bus, assuming it runs in your area at all.

The logical thing to do then, would be to move closer to work, wouldn't it? The trouble with that, is pricing. Apartments and housing near where the jobs are is so high, only management could afford to live there. That forces you to reside in affordable areas, but with that comes the commute, and with the commute, comes the gas, which you must have. The entire situation is completely dependent upon affordable transportation to work.

If the cost of commute + affordable housing is equal or greater then living in the high cost areas that are closer to work, but you cant afford to begin with, your kinda hosed.

edit:
I'm paying 1300 a month for affordable housing that will allow dogs, and that is a one bedroom apartment. Closer to work, its probably 1800 dollars.

[DarkFish]

Most everybody here drives the distances i described. Not huge loads of people, but the vast majority of people. If California was going to be given a subtitle, "Land of the Car" would be appropriate.

There is no public transportation to speak of. What little there is, is ridiuclous. Either they don't route the way you go, or their route is insanely stupid. A 15 minute drive would take you over two hours on a bus, assuming it runs in your area at all.

The logical thing to do then, would be to move closer to work, wouldn't it? The trouble with that, is pricing. Apartments and housing near where the jobs are is so high, only management could afford to live there. That forces you to reside in affordable areas, but with that comes the commute, and with the commute, comes the gas, which you must have. The entire situation is completely dependent upon affordable transportation to work.

If the cost of commute + affordable housing is equal or greater then living in the high cost areas that are closer to work, but you cant afford to begin with, your kinda hosed.

edit:
I'm paying 1300 a month for affordable housing that will allow dogs, and that is a one bedroom apartment. Closer to work, its probably 1800 dollars.So then the problem is housing prices and/or pay, not petrol.

[Ducimus]

EVERYTHING is high here. Including gas. Few places in the US can top california in that department. If you look at the big picture in terms of personal finances, why do you think it's nickname is "cant afford ya". :haha:

[Armistead]

So then the problem is housing prices and/or pay, not petrol.

Actually what Duci said effects many. All across NC people moved to the outer dying mill towns for cheaper housing when the market fell. Gas was still affordable. It was much cheaper to live, even if you had to drive a few hours to work. Now people can't afford the gas or the cost of living. Course gas drives all those cost up.

Stange, oil prices down, but gas goes up. Gas use is down, but prices go up. Over $4 a gallon yesterday here.

[AVGWarhawk]

My wife and I shop at Weis Grocery. When we use the discount card for sales and stuff we get gas points. Yesterday we redeemed our gas points. We got 18 gallons of gas ($66.00) for .02 cents. We did not know we had saved that many gas points. I go fill my car tonight! :D

[Jimbuna]

My wife and I shop at Weis Grocery. When we use the discount card for sales and stuff we get gas points. Yesterday we redeemed our gas points. We got 18 gallons of gas ($66.00) for .02 cents. We did not know we had saved that many gas points. I go fill my car tonight! :D

Hey Chris, I could do with a card like that....can you buy beer with it because that often gives me gas? :DL

[Armistead]

My wife and I shop at Weis Grocery. When we use the discount card for sales and stuff we get gas points. Yesterday we redeemed our gas points. We got 18 gallons of gas ($66.00) for .02 cents. We did not know we had saved that many gas points. I go fill my car tonight! :D

That's a lot of damn food. We use one here and finally got 30 bucks with of gas, but now shop at a grocery out where you have to bring your own bags and bag yourself out, much cheaper.

[Fish]

That's a lot of damn food. .

Perhaps we should have a thread on food prices too? :DL

[AVGWarhawk]

That's a lot of damn food. We use one here and finally got 30 bucks with of gas, but now shop at a grocery out where you have to bring your own bags and bag yourself out, much cheaper.


We spend $170.00 a week at Weis. I believe it was .20 cent off a gallon of gas for every hundred spent in groceries. We did not look at for weeks on end. This week the cashier at Weis said to redeem those point as the 30th they are no good. We showed 420 points which equates to $4.20 off a gallon of gas. Basically FREE! :D

[nikimcbee]

EVERYTHING is high here. Including gas. Few places in the US can top california in that department. If you look at the big picture in terms of personal finances, why do you think it's nickname is "cant afford ya". :haha:

Duc, what is your timeline for leaving Kali-fornia to UT? Are you still moving there?

[nikimcbee]

I'll just add, Duci is correct, the cost of living is outrageous in Kali- fornia, for various reasons, stupid laws, high taxes. So I would say some of it is self-inflicted (you vote for stupid people (see Nancy pelosi:dead:), you get what you vote for:dead:).

What is the sales tax there?
The special gas requirements (mixtures)?

The sad thing is, whatever kali-fornia does, ore-gone will follow suit shortly.

[TorpX]

It is not only a matter of high gas prices, but also of the dollar being worth less. The Gov't spends, borrows and prints money like there is no tomorrow. This does not make for a strong dollar.

Remember the phrase "as sound as a dollar"; you don't hear that anymore.

[Ducimus]

Duc, what is your timeline for leaving Kali-fornia to UT? Are you still moving there?

From the sounds of things i heard yesterday, probably be moving at the end of May. Just got our foot in the door for a 5 bed, 3 bath, 2 car garage condo with a backyard. Fiancee is putting down the deposit and signing the lease today.


What is the sales tax there?


9 to 10 percent. Varies by county. Most places its like 9.25%.
(I remember when it was 6-7%)

[Tchocky]

From the sounds of things i heard yesterday, probably be moving at the end of May. Just got our foot in the door for a 5 bed, 3 bath, 2 car garage condo with a backyard. Fiancee is putting down the deposit and signing the lease today.

5 bedrooms and one fiancé?! Planning on embracing the Mormon view on marriages, eh? ;)

[Ducimus]

I haven't seen it yet, but one bed and bath is in the basement. I guess its common to rent the basement out as an apartment in Utah. (aka "mother in law" apartment).

But yeah, place definatly has room for ahh..... expansion. We plan on no more then two. Well, if i had my way, wed have just one, but as she puts it, "we need a backup in case ones a screw up, cause who's gonna take care of us when we're old otherwise?".

Hard to argue with that logic. :haha: