Gaza militants fire rockets at Beersheba, Israel

[Gerald]

A rocket fired from the Gaza Strip has hit a house in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba.

The strike on the city was the first since Israel's 2009 offensive in Gaza. No casualties were reported and the situation was said to be under control.

Israel responded by carrying out an air strike on eastern Gaza City which reportedly injured three militants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12562631


Note: 23 February 2011 Last updated at 23:04 GMT

[redsocialist]

-.-

[Sailor Steve]

-.-
Okay, you explained that once, and I've already forgotten.

If you have something to say on a subject, say it. Cutesy net-baby speak is for children.

[redsocialist]

Okay, you explained that once, and I've already forgotten.

If you have something to say on a subject, say it. Cutesy net-baby speak is for children.

I reply how I like, as everyone else does, weather its on topic or not. 'Cutsey net baby speak" as you don't have a clue what it is or means, when people older than you post on here using "cutsy-net baby speak".

And to reply to this thread would to say the hipocracy on this "rocket attacks on Israel"

[Sailor Steve]

I reply how I like, as everyone else does, weather its on topic or not. 'Cutsey net baby speak" as you don't have a clue what it is or means, when people older than you post on here using "cutsy-net baby speak".
Really? Who?

This is not like most of the forums you're used to. We consider it polite here to write in language that others can understand.

And to reply to this thread would to say the hipocracy, both from the "military spending", then "terrorism on Israel".
Then you should have said that in the first place. Now there's something to discuss.

[redsocialist]

Really? Who?

This is not like most of the forums you're used to. We consider it polite here to write in language that others can understand.
Then you should have said that in the first place. Now there's something to discuss.
Yea, why don't you go look around who uses ^^, or -.- or the smileys. Same crap.

Okay then lets discuss. Without disputing over who's land is who's, Palestine has suffered far more causulties than Israelis.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

And don't tell me this "biased" which makes it illegitmate. Any source is biased in some way. And this is 10 years old so the count is probably MUCH higher as their imperialist campaign intensifies

[Sailor Steve]

Yea, why don't you go look around who uses ^^, or -.- or the smileys. Same crap.
^^ refers to the post above, and is obvious, as are the smileys. -.- is not obvious, and cheat anyone who doesn't frequent a dozen different websites.

You specifically said "older than me". So who here is older than me and uses those?

Okay then lets discuss. Without disputing over who's land is who's, Palestine has suffered far more causulties than Israelis.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

And don't tell me this "biased" which makes it illegitmate. Any source is biased in some way.
Not bad, except for the part about "confiscated Palistinian land". Until 1967 the West Bank was owned by Jordan. No one ever mentioned the "plight of the Palestinians" then. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel over the West Bank. Israel won. Then Yassir Arafat formed the PLO and waged war on Israel. Israel responded by creating the conditions that exist today.

Israel actually treats the Muslims in-country fairly well. Do any of the Muslim countries treat Jews as well? Do you complain about that, or only about Israel and only because America supports them. Israel is surrounded by people who would gladly wipe them from the face of the earth merely for being Jews. Do you comment on that, or only on the side that suits you?

I don't condone some of Israel's actions, and I think they've gone overboard more than a few times; but given the nature of what they're up against overall, I think they've actually showed quite a bit of restraint.

[MH]

Yea, why don't you go look around who uses ^^, or -.- or the smileys. Same crap.

Okay then lets discuss. Without disputing over who's land is who's, Palestine has suffered far more causulties than Israelis.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

And don't tell me this "biased" which makes it illegitmate. Any source is biased in some way.

Good point next time Israel will wait until some one gets killed then retaliate.
10 Palestinians for 10 Israelis.
Need good publicity lets make it 5 Palestinians for 10 Israelis.
Score for this incident is about 3 hamas terrorists killed 0 Israelis.
My apologies.

[Jimbuna]

And so it begins again :nope:

The rocket attacks I mean....I'm wondering if there'll ever be a lasting peace in the area.

I used to think that of Northern Irelans as well so there may still be a positive ending.

[Schroeder]

I reply how I like, as everyone else does, weather its on topic or not.
Actually I don't know the meaning of -.- either. :doh:
Though I also don't care much actually.

[frau kaleun]

So who here is older than me and uses those?

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/157/original/Atrapitis.gif?1240007111

That's obviously a trick question. No one here is older than Steve. :O:

[MH]

I used to think that of Northern Irelans as well so there may still be a positive ending.

Its different story....

[redsocialist]

^^ refers to the post above, and is obvious, as are the smileys. -.- is not obvious, and cheat anyone who doesn't frequent a dozen different websites.

You specifically said "older than me". So who here is older than me and uses those?


Not bad, except for the part about "confiscated Palistinian land". Until 1967 the West Bank was owned by Jordan. No one ever mentioned the "plight of the Palestinians" then. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel over the West Bank. Israel won. Then Yassir Arafat formed the PLO and waged war on Israel. Israel responded by creating the conditions that exist today.

Israel actually treats the Muslims in-country fairly well. Do any of the Muslim countries treat Jews as well? Do you complain about that, or only about Israel and only because America supports them. Israel is surrounded by people who would gladly wipe them from the face of the earth merely for being Jews. Do you comment on that, or only on the side that suits you?

I don't condone some of Israel's actions, and I think they've gone overboard more than a few times; but given the nature of what they're up against overall, I think they've actually showed quite a bit of restraint.

I think israel has a right to exist up to gaza. They should stop the funding from AIPAC from USA, stop harvasting organs and commiting genocide against Palestinians. Other than that, they should give up they're imperialist thinking close down all their check points hand Gaza pack to Palestine which they stole. I am very aware of the hatred of zionism which I hate zionism. Zionism is not juadism, its an extreme form and culture of the jews. Just like any religion has its extremes. I'm no diplomat so I don't know how to solve the situation but thats how I feel

[Sailor Steve]

And so it begins again :nope:

The rocket attacks I mean....I'm wondering if there'll ever be a lasting peace in the area.
"There will be peace in the Middle East when Arab mothers learn to love their children more than they hate Jews."
-attributed to Golda Meir, but no confirmation

[nikimcbee]

And so it begins again :nope:

The rocket attacks I mean....I'm wondering if there'll ever be a lasting peace in the area.

I used to think that of Northern Irelans as well so there may still be a positive ending.

I think that's why a Palestinian state would never work. They'll pick a fight and get their butts kicked. I think they should pave that whole region and build a Disneyland on it. It would save a lot of fuss.

[redsocialist]

Good point next time Israel will wait until some one gets killed then retaliate.
10 Palestinians for 10 Israelis.
Need good publicity lets make it 5 Palestinians for 10 Israelis.
Score for this incident is about 3 hamas terrorists killed 0 Israelis.
My apologies.

Good point how about Palestine waits for more of their babies and children to be killed before another Israeil -US supplied bomb blasts them to pieces. Give up Hamas so they can take over the entire land of Palestine. Then AIPAC, and the zionists can applaud freedom and democracy from the genocide. Then while they're at it, harvest those organs of murdered Palestinians and sell them using the magical wonders of the free market. Great thinking

[Tribesman]

Until 1967 the West Bank was owned by Jordan.
No it wasn't.

[nikimcbee]

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/157/original/Atrapitis.gif?1240007111

That's obviously a trick question. No one here is older than Steve. :O:

OMG, you're cutting in on my turf. (SS age jokes):D August is up there, but I don't think he served on the USS Monitor like Steve did.

[MH]

.Bla Bla.....harvest those organs of murdered Palestinians and sell them using the magical wonders of the free market. Great thinking

You are insane.
So simple.
being a commie quite feats you.

[redsocialist]

I think that's why a Palestinian state would never work. They'll pick a fight and get their butts kicked. I think they should pave that whole region and build a Disneyland on it. It would save a lot of fuss.

From that thinking that would be great for Israel. Pave the whole region to build Mosques all over. Maybe the same for USA since its Israel's biggest ally, and Israel would get they're butts kicked if it wasn't for that 4 million dollars a day from AIPAC

[nikimcbee]

Our favorite herring is back?

[redsocialist]

You are insane.
So simple.

Great logic and come back regarding the issue. Also like how u replaced the points with "blah blah" really show's your intelligence.

[Oberon]

I think israel has a right to exist up to gaza. They should stop the funding from AIPAC from USA, stop harvasting organs and commiting genocide against Palestinians. Other than that, they should give up they're imperialist thinking close down all their check points hand Gaza pack to Palestine which they stole. I am very aware of the hatred of zionism which I hate zionism. Zionism is not juadism, its an extreme form and culture of the jews. Just like any religion has its extremes. I'm no diplomat so I don't know how to solve the situation but thats how I feel

At first glace you'd think that Israel handing everything back would solve it...but I'll tell you right now, it wouldn't, because they'd want more, everyone would start laying claims to parts of Israel until Israel itself consists of a prison camp in Greater Syria. There's a reason Israel acts like it does, because its own survival depends on it being too dangerous to fight. One of its most famous generals, Moshe Dayan, once said "Israel must be like a rabid dog, too dangerous to bother."
Three times, that I can recall off hand, three times Israel has been invaded by its neighbours and three times they've managed to fight them off and expand their borders. Since then the neighbours have been arming up, and now they have support from their brethren across the world, but they realise that they don't have to fight Israel to win, they just have to wait, wait and provoke Israel by trying to break the blockade, by provoking Israeli bombing runs by firing missiles into Israel, then showing CNN pictures of bombed 'baby milk factories', and each time Israel discredits itself in global opinion, more and more people form opinions like yours, and then eventually Israel will stand alone, and her neighbours will try again and Israel will be forced to be the rabid dog and everyone will be cycling because we can't afford fuel for our cars. Samson option.

"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow — it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away--unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans--have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?" - David Perlmutter - Louisiania State University.

[Schroeder]

Good point how about Palestine waits for more of their babies and children to be killed before another Israeil -US supplied bomb blasts them to pieces. Give up Hamas so they can take over the entire land of Palestine. Then AIPAC, and the zionists can applaud freedom and democracy from the genocide. Then while they're at it, harvest those organs of murdered Palestinians and sell them using the magical wonders of the free market. Great thinking
So does Israel bomb Gaza randomly without any provocation?

[Sailor Steve]

I think israel has a right to exist up to gaza. They should stop the funding from AIPAC from USA, stop harvasting organs and commiting genocide against Palestinians.
Given the situation, I think if they actually wanted to commit genocide it would be done already.

Other than that, they should give up they're imperialist thinking close down all their check points hand Gaza pack to Palestine which they stole.[quote]
As I said, they didn't steal it, they won it fair-and-sqare from Jordan. "Palistine" never owned that land, at least not in the last four millennia.

Now it's my turn for a fun link:
http://emetnews.org/analysis/arab_claim_to_palestine.php

[quote]I am very aware of the hatred of zionism which I hate zionism. Zionism is not juadism, its an extreme form and culture of the jews. Just like any religion has its extremes. I'm no diplomat so I don't know how to solve the situation but thats how I feel
Nor do I, but I don't think forcing Israel to give up the buffer zone between themselves and Jordan is the answer.

[redsocialist]

At first glace you'd think that Israel handing everything back would solve it...but I'll tell you right now, it wouldn't, because they'd want more, everyone would start laying claims to parts of Israel until Israel itself consists of a prison camp in Greater Syria. There's a reason Israel acts like it does, because its own survival depends on it being too dangerous to fight. One of its most famous generals, Moshe Dayan, once said "Israel must be like a rabid dog, too dangerous to bother."
Three times, that I can recall off hand, three times Israel has been invaded by its neighbours and three times they've managed to fight them off and expand their borders. Since then the neighbours have been arming up, and now they have support from their brethren across the world, but they realise that they don't have to fight Israel to win, they just have to wait, wait and provoke Israel by trying to break the blockade, by provoking Israeli bombing runs by firing missiles into Israel, then showing CNN pictures of bombed 'baby milk factories', and each time Israel discredits itself in global opinion, more and more people form opinions like yours, and then eventually Israel will stand alone, and her neighbours will try again and Israel will be forced to be the rabid dog and everyone will be cycling because we can't afford fuel for our cars. Samson option.

"Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow — it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away--unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans--have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?" - David Perlmutter - Louisiania State University.


Yea accept, its not the Israeli people except for the zionists and they're government. Also are you aware many Jews hate what Israel is doing? In your own country surley you have seen protests from jews disgusted what they're country was doing. Its zionism not the jews, and they make it look like Israel is a victim of anti-semitism when in fact its the zionists who are acting like nazis. Palestinians will fight for they're country, and Hamas will continue to win the elections. Her neighboors? Last time I checked almost the whole international community "so called" is against what Israel is doing. War crimes mean nothing and they get away with them everytime, backing the media propganda machine

[Sailor Steve]

That's obviously a trick question. No one here is older than Steve. :O:
While not literally true, I do seem to be the oldest member who contributes on a regular basis. Funny thing for a guy who got labelled "The California Kid" shortly after I came to Utah.

But my point stands: I don't think anyone here older than me uses code-speak.

[TLAM Strike]

No it wasn't.
Yes it was...

His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom have been officially informed by the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan of the union of the Kingdom of Jordan and of that part of Palestine under Jordan occupation and control. The Jordan Government, in this communication, have stated that an Act providing for this union was unanimously adopted on 24th April by the Jordan Assembly, which is composed of representatives of both these territories, and received the Royal Assent on the same day. His Majesty's Government have decided to accord formal recognition to this union. They take this opportunity of declaring that they regard the provisions of the Anglo-Jordan Treaty of Alliance of 1948 as applicable to all the territory included in the union.


The second point relates to Jerusalem. The part of Palestine which is now united to the Kingdom of Jordan includes a portion of the area defined in the Resolution on the internationalisation of Jerusalem adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 9th December, 1949. His Majesty's Government wish to state that, pending a final determination of the status of this area, they are unable to recognise Jordan sovereignty over any part of it. They do, however, recognise that Jordan exercises de facto authority in the part occupied by her. They consider, therefore, that the Anglo-Jordan Treaty applies to this part, unless or until the United Nations shall have established effective authority there. His Majesty's Government's obligations under the Treaty are, of course, subject always to their overriding obligations under the United Nations Charter.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/apr/27/jordan-and-israel-government-decision

[Sailor Steve]

No it wasn't.
1. I've been wanting to say this for a long time. When you quote, please use the full quote function so we can see who you're quoting and don't have to guess.

2. Please don't be so cryptic. "No it wasn't" doesn't tell me where I'm wrong, and I like to learn where I'm wrong. Who did own the West Bank pre-1967?

[Sailor Steve]

OMG, you're cutting in on my turf. (SS age jokes):D August is up there, but I don't think he served on the USS Monitor like Steve did.
Actually yes he did. He just wasn't with me on Constitution.

[redsocialist]

Given the situation, I think if they actually wanted to commit genocide it would be done already.

[quote]Other than that, they should give up they're imperialist thinking close down all their check points hand Gaza pack to Palestine which they stole.[quote]
As I said, they didn't steal it, they won it fair-and-sqare from Jordan. "Palistine" never owned that land, at least not in the last four millennia.

Now it's my turn for a fun link:
http://emetnews.org/analysis/arab_claim_to_palestine.php


Nor do I, but I don't think forcing Israel to give up the buffer zone between themselves and Jordan is the answer.

I'm not an expert on the foreign policy issues and you can dispute the land claims over someone else. However what I am clearly against coming from Israell is this which must be stopped at all costs. Along with the other war crimes they commit.

GRAPHIC IMAGE WARNING:
http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/traffs.jpg
GRAPHIC IMAGE WARNING:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/images/pal_baby_killed_07_20_01.JPG
http://www.israelcentersf.org/israelinthegardens/2005/images/logos/logo-aipac.jpg

[redsocialist]

So does Israel bomb Gaza randomly without any provocation?

Yup, day and night

[MH]

Yes your choice of pics is worth 1000 words.

[Oberon]

Bad images mate, please remove them. I'm aware of the face of war, as are many here, but this is a public board and such images are distasteful.

[redsocialist]

Pretty much sums it up whats going on so I don't have to explain. And this isn't war this is genocide. I think I should leave them so people can see what the Palestinians suffer every day.

[Oberon]

Pretty much sums it up whats going on so I don't have to explain. And this isn't war this is genocide. I think I should leave them so people can see what the Palestinians suffer every day.

Them and hundreds of others in war mate, but those who know know and those who don't couldn't give one and posting gruesome pictures will not change that and will most likely just get you put in the brig.

Your choice me old fruit. ;)

[nikimcbee]

Actually yes he did. He just wasn't with me on Constitution.

:salute: Well played, good sir. Speaking of the Constitution, it's too bad Jim didn't make it to last subsim meet (and you too frankly), we were going to have some fun with him while on the USS Constitution.:D:woot::haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Yup, day and night
Documentation. And a propaganda poster is not documentation.

Pretty much sums it up whats going on so I don't have to explain. And this isn't war this is genocide. I think I should leave them so people can see what the Palestinians suffer every day.
You need to prove that it's genocide. If it was there would be a lot more than the number of dead listed in the link you provided earlier.

And yes, you need to remove it because we have rules here.


No graphic images of people murdered, blown up, dismembered, or similarly ripped up. If you must, you can use a link to the image and include the warning "Graphic image warning".
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

[redsocialist]

I will follow the rules and get some documenation on how this occupation is genocide

[Schroeder]

Yup, day and night
Hmm, I wasn't aware that the IAF was doing Operation Rolling Thunder II over Gaza without anyone noticing it.
Don't you think that Israel does a piss poor job in annihilating all Palestinians considering all the planes, bombs and artillery they have?

I think if Israel wanted to commit genocide against all of Palestine they would have done it by now. I'm afraid we've taught them pretty well how it's done....
But somehow they don't do it.... strange. :hmm2:

[redsocialist]

http://jfjfp.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/

http://english.aljazeera.net/ (Search on here)

Now you see this is not done by jews but Western Hegemony making it look like the jews endorse it. Zionists may all be jews but not all jews are zionists in fact very few of them.

[redsocialist]

Hmm, I wasn't aware that the IAF was doing Operation Rolling Thunder II over Gaza without anyone noticing it.
Don't you think that Israel does a piss poor job in annihilating all Palestinians considering all the planes, bombs and artillery they have?

I think if Israel wanted to commit genocide against all of Palestine they would have done it by now. I'm afraid we've taught them pretty well how it's done....
But somehow they don't do it.... strange. :hmm2:

Thats right you sure did teach them how its done "ROLLING THUNDER" the massacure. Vietnam and Cambodia. 4 million dead civilians. I'm sure your proud of that aren't you. The Israeli children duped into zionism sure are:

http://www.radiopars.org/israeli%20children_files/image002.jpg

[Schroeder]

I'm German...not American....:roll:

[Raptor1]

http://jfjfp.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/

http://english.aljazeera.net/ (Search on here)

Now you see this is not done by jews but Western Hegemony making it look like the jews endorse it. Zionists may all be jews but not all jews are zionists in fact very few of them.

Citing (largely dubious) websites and telling us to search there does not constitute proof that the alleged genocide you say is being committed. There will be statistics and documentation, since you seem to know all about it, so may we please have links to those (Preferably from several verifiable and unbiased sources) and the reason you think they are clear evidence of genocide?

[nikimcbee]

$10 says herring is back.:hmmm: Call your bookies.

[redsocialist]

Citing (largely dubious) websites and telling us to search there does not constitute proof that the alleged genocide you say is being committed. There will be statistics and documentation, since you seem to know all about it, so may we please have links to those (Preferably from several verifiable and unbiased sources) and the reason you think they are clear evidence of genocide?

Like i said "biased" is BS word to say you just don't agree with the source. Every source is biased. The best "source" is to go see it yourself either on video or in person.

[redsocialist]

I'm German...not American....:roll:

Then don't say "we", unless your aligning yourself with NATO

[frau kaleun]

I think it may be time for the Frau Kaleun Hits People Over The Head With An Angry Wombat Party to make a comeback. Since we're gettin' all political and stuff. :hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

I think it may be time for the Frau Kaleun Hits People Over The Head With An Angry Wombat Party to make a comeback. Since we're gettin' all political and stuff. :hmmm:

Well, if that involves changing your sig, then that's right out. Maybe a badger party?

[Raptor1]

Like i said "biased" is BS word to say you just don't agree with the source. Every source is biased. The best "source" is to go see it yourself either on video or in person.

Not really, by biased I mean they state very clearly that their whole purpose is to be anti-Israel/anti-Zionism or whatever. If you had linked to a clearly anti-Palestinian/pro-Israel/pro-Zionism or whatever you want to call it site I would have called biased as well.

Either way, I assume you went there in person and seen it for yourself in that case? What is it that you saw?

[redsocialist]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14404.htm

[redsocialist]

Not really, by biased I mean they state very clearly that their whole purpose is to be anti-Israel/anti-Zionism or whatever. If you had linked to a clearly anti-Palestinian/pro-Israel/pro-Zionism or whatever you want to call it site I would have called biased as well.

Either way, I assume you went there in person and seen it for yourself in that case? What is it that you saw?

Look on those links and you can clearly see footage, proof of what is going on. And these are sources from Jews themselves about Palestians, how more accurate can you get? I have not seen it in person luckily though I may take a trip to Palestine. However some of my friends/collueges/comrades have witnessed the horrow and attrocities I'd rather not mention any names.

[frau kaleun]

Well, if that involves changing your sig, then that's right out.

It doesn't involve changing my sig as much as it involves me hitting people over the head with an angry wombat. Kinda thought that went without saying... :hmmm: :D

[nikimcbee]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/hangover.jpg


:haha::har::haha::har::haha::har:

One night in Gaza makes a hard man humble.

allah be praised, there is cosmic justice.

[redsocialist]

One night in Gaza makes a hard man humble.

allah be praised, there is cosmic justice.

Not anymore

[Schroeder]

Then don't say "we", unless your aligning yourself with NATO
Genocide....Germany....Jews...Rings any bell????

[redsocialist]

Genocide....Germany....Jews...Rings any bell????

Ding Ding, oh yea the nazis, not much different than zionists

[Gerald]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/hangover.jpg


:haha::har::haha::har::haha::har:

One night in Gaza makes a hard man humble.

allah be praised, there is cosmic justice. ...Not much between despair and ecstasy :O:

[redsocialist]

...Not much between despair and ecstasy :O:

Lol that must suck for those who didn't post frequently but had a lot of posts on threads and it stayed up there until they came back to quickly post

[MH]

Look on those links and you can clearly see footage, proof of what is going on. And these are sources from Jews themselves about Palestians, .

We are people as any one else.

There are even Jews who say that Israel should not exist at all.
Some of them even burn Israeli flags or fly black ones on Independence Day.
Since Israel is not a commie country they are not institutionalized.

You want some serious Jewish thought on Israeli Palestinian conflict try digging in Haaretz.(Israeli online newspaper)
At list people who write there are often lefties idealists but not nut cases.

[Gerald]

Lol that must suck for those who didn't post frequently but had a lot of posts on threads and it stayed up there until they came back to quickly post I think it sucks more for those who deal with words wrong, in different contexts

[redsocialist]

I think it sucks more for those who deal with words wrong, in different contexts

HAHa so now your going to attack me with grammar?

[frau kaleun]

HAHa so now your going to attack me with grammar?

Assuming that was Vendor's intent (which I doubt, given that English isn't his first language), what's good for the goose:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1604710&postcount=47

is good for the gander. In other words, don't dish it out if you can't take it. That also goes for complaining about people posting "anti-commie bull****" if you wish to persist in putting up post after post where your own anti-American, anti-this, and anti-that sentiments are so vehemently expressed. :yep:

[Gerald]

HAHa so now your going to attack me with grammar?
I think you have misunderstood the situation a lot, and it is up to you, to do that, my statement came after the previous record, and contained nothing objectionable even if you have extreme radical values.

[redsocialist]

Assuming that was Vendor's intent (which I
is good for the gander. In other words, don't dish it out if you can't take it. That also goes for complaining about people posting "anti-commie bull**** I'll copy someone else's weak reply for this one: *bla bla bla* I made a new thread where everyone is welcome they're thoughts opinion on the current situation in Egypt :sunny:

[Dowly]

I made a new thread where everyone is welcome they're thoughts opinion on the current situation in Egypt :sunny:

I did youa favor and made it easier to search if it ever gets lost. :up:

[frau kaleun]

I made a new thread where everyone is welcome they're thoughts opinion on the current situation in Egypt :sunny:

Yeah, we kinda already have one of those:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=179520

Anyhoo, whatever dude. We're done. :up:

[redsocialist]

I did youa favor and made it easier to search if it ever gets lost. :up:

k ty

[frau kaleun]

I did youa favor and made it easier to search if it ever gets lost. :up:

You are so bad. :O:

[Dowly]

You are so bad. :O:

Somehow I think you mean this kind of 'bad' (first scene) :hmmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foS84bEZSO4

[nikimcbee]

Somehow I think you mean this kind of 'bad' (first scene) :hmmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foS84bEZSO4

:haha::salute:Name your drink Dowly.:woot:

[Dowly]

:haha::salute:Name your drink Dowly.:woot:

Well, I got some beer and Grant's here already, but guess I could take one of those .5L Black Mint bottles, Danke. :up:

[Penguin]

stop harvasting organs

parrotting old anti-semitic legends, which have been claimed since hundreds of years - and always been proofen wrong, doesn't really add to your credibility


GRAPHIC IMAGE WARNING:
http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/traffs.jpg
GRAPHIC IMAGE WARNING:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/images/pal_baby_killed_07_20_01.JPG


Same here, quoting from one website of a ****ed up christian sect and another website from holocaust deniers, does make me wonder if you shouldn't put a white circle into your red flag...
So if zionism is nazism, does this make you a zionist?

Cheers, Penguin, :salute:
ex anti-zionist, with a mind of his own


PS: dear Mossad, please transfer the money for this post to my usual bank account

[Penguin]

And so it begins again :nope:

The rocket attacks I mean....

They didn't really stop, however became less frequently. I sadly didn't bookmark a website I found recently, which counts the attacks and attack attemps on Israel for every day. They stated every type of attack (rockets, mortars) - even the attacks that failed, where they hit their own people.
On more than every second day there have been reported attacks in this year. Maybe someone has a link to this website.

[Sailor Steve]

Genocide....Germany....Jews...Rings any bell????
And the Godwin award for this thread goes to...
:rotfl2:

[Oberon]

the nazis, not much different than zionists


Quote of the year? :hmmm:

[Oberon]

I've got to agree with Schroeder here, I could do genocide better than that. Israel is doing it wrong. :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

I've got to agree with Schroeder here, I could do genocide better than that. Israel is doing it wrong. :nope:
Yep, just like the epic failure of the American genocide against the natives. I guess I need to ask some of my native associates about that one.

Oh, and I said it first. Schroeder was parroting me. :O:

[Penguin]

I've got to agree with Schroeder here, I could do genocide better than that. Israel is doing it wrong. :nope:

You are right, Israel does a lousy job with their genocide. I can't understand why they release all the arab workers, doctors, judges, parliament members from their extermination camps during daytime...

[Jimbuna]

$10 says herring is back.:hmmm: Call your bookies.

I'll commence proxy checks....Neal will be inyterested if the checks prove worthwile.

[TLAM Strike]

Actually yes he did. He just wasn't with me on Constitution.
Oh that's right.

Didn't he serve with you on the Golden Hind as well?

:O:

[frau kaleun]

Oh that's right.

Didn't he serve with you on the Golden Hind as well?

:O:

I always thought it was the Argo... in fact he tried to sell me a "piece of the true Argo" once, but I turned him down. It looked fake and I was afraid I'd get fleeced.

[Sailor Steve]

Oh that's right.

Didn't he serve with you on the Golden Hind as well?

:O:
That was even beforer than the previous before.

I thought you knew yer history, boy! :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

I always thought it was the Argo... in fact he tried to sell me a "piece of the true Argo" once, but I turned him down. It looked fake and I was afraid I'd get fleeced.
And I thought my offer was golden. I guess you have me between a rock and a hard place, Harpy.

[frau kaleun]

And I thought my offer was golden. I guess you have me between a rock and a hard place, Harpy.

:haha:

Very funny, plowboy. But I guess it's true what they say... a myth is as good as a smile.

The Harpy thing, though... that's a little too extreme for me. I like to think I'm more of a happy Medea.

[Onkel Neal]

Lol that must suck for those who didn't post frequently but had a lot of posts on threads and it stayed up there until they came back to quickly post


:haha: Yeah, they usually make a freaked out post, followed by a confused post after that status.

[Sailor Steve]

I like to think I'm more of a happy Medea.
Sowing the seeds of dissent? Hydra thought you knew better by now.

[Hottentot]

Like i said "biased" is BS word to say you just don't agree with the source. Every source is biased. The best "source" is to go see it yourself either on video or in person.

Whoever told you that apparently forgot to tell you what "reference" means. What you just said is one of the most basic things that I think almost everyone here knows. It's called "source criticism" and I think you could practise that too. But that's not the point.

The point is what Raptor1 told you and I quote:

Citing (largely dubious) websites and telling us to search there does not constitute proof that the alleged genocide you say is being committed.

You are not using sources for an argument, you are making them do the arguing for you. That's a lazy man's solution. Or an ignorant man's solution, whichever one you prefer. If I said: "You are wrong, go read a book", even I would laugh myself out of the room. Instead the proper way would be to say: "X is like this, and it's based on that and that source" with direct links or references to pages.

Then we could argue about the sources if necessary without having to discuss whole websites. Just like it would be stupid if we had to prove that a whole book is bad if we wanted to argue about a certain point made by someone. It could be done after that, but it shouldn't be necessary. Vague links contribute to nothing, especially if you are just throwing them around.

[Tribesman]

Yes it was...


No it wasn't TLAM.....
Been through all that before, read the quote you provided from Hansard and see the line which makes unilateral recognition of even that one part of occupied territirory null and void as terms and conditions apply.
It was all double speak. Britan acknowledges something and says it recognises it then quietly finishes by mentioning that actually it cannot acknowledge or recognise such things as there are agreed legal set ups involved which have to be followed.

So back to Steve with my "No it wasn't", it was occupied territory which Jordan held, it wasn't owned by Jordan.

Now we could go further and deal with the existance of Jordan itself as the creation of the Hashemite kingdom in mandated Palestine is another big joke by the British foriegn/colonial office.

[MH]

No it wasn't TLAM.....
Been through all that before, read the quote you provided from Hansard and see the line which makes unilateral recognition of even that one part of occupied territirory null and void as terms and conditions apply.
It was all double speak. Britan acknowledges something and says it recognises it then quietly finishes by mentioning that actually it cannot acknowledge or recognise such things as there are agreed legal set ups involved which have to be followed.

So back to Steve with my "No it wasn't", it was occupied territory which Jordan held, it wasn't owned by Jordan.

Now we could go further and deal with the existance of Jordan itself as the creation of the Hashemite kingdom in mandated Palestine is another big joke by the British foriegn/colonial office.

All this is pointless debate.
Question is what happens if tomorrow Israel withdraw from west bank and recognize Palestinian State.
For how long PA can hold on without Israeli help.
Who can guarantee that hammas will not take over west bank as well.

How long it will take before terrorist attacks start from Ramalah and Israel will get condemned for using force as it does right now in Gaza.
Any defensive action Israel took in Gaza or Lebanon is condemned by EU and knowledgeable citizens like you who know better what should be done.Or not done at all.
Israel is developing now billions $ systems to defend its cities from 100$ rockets and mortal shells.
Yes all major Israeli cities will be in range of cheap artillery because Israel is very small country.
.
Your plan is a perfect plan to weaken Israel even further by diplomatic means according to international law.
The thing is that when we comply to it we are screwed when we don't its the same.
Question is which is the list damaging from Israeli point of view not European.
You want to play Russian roulette do with your country.
Settling west bank is not an issue for a long long time so stop weaving this crap.

[Tribesman]

All this is pointless debate.

It isn't as it addresses two specific points raised by two people and adds a further point for possible debate.
So that would make it pointed not pointless.:yeah:

Question is what happens if tomorrow Israel withdraw from west bank and recognize Palestinian State.

That isn't the question, actually that isn't even related to reality.


Your plan is a perfect plan to weaken Israel even further by diplomatic means according to international law.

If you don't want law then stand up and claim Israel is a pariah state outside of the law.
That is where you get stuck isn't it MH , you want it both ways and on your terms only.
The thing is that when we comply to it we are screwed when we don't its the same.

The only two relevant examples have worked out very well for Israel.

You want to play Russian roulette do with your country.

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:



BTW
Settling west bank is not an issue for a long long time so stop weaving this crap.
Don't talk such absolute rubbish, that statement is pure bollocks and you know it.

[MH]

If you don't want law then stand up and claim Israel is a pariah state outside of the law.

International low -a new holly bible that is as long as it plays to your advantage.
International low is like democracy you need all parties to play the game.
Gaza blockade is wrong "cast lead" was wrong.
Haven't seen anything from you about validty of international law to Beer Sheva rocket bombing.






That is where you get stuck isn't it MH , you want it both ways and on your terms only.
.
My terms?
I just want to live peacfully in my coutry.




The only two relevant examples have worked out very well for Israel.
.
Revelent inough.






Don't talk such absolute rubbish, that statement is pure bollocks and you know it.

No it not rubbish it simply good argument for you to hold on...
Israel withdrew from Sinai for Peace treaty with Egypt.
From parts of Jordan Vally -peace treaty with Jordan
From Gaza for ......

[Tribesman]

Haven't seen anything from you about validty of international law to Beer Sheva rocket bombing.

Have I tried to claim they are legal?

No it not rubbish it simply good argument for you to hold on...
Israel withdrew from Sinai for Peace treaty with Egypt.
From parts of Jordan Vally -peace treaty with Jordan
From Gaza for ......
What on earth has that to do with your statement or my reply to that statement?

Though it does come back to the earlier one about relevance, two of those things are related and relevant, one isn't.
The related ones were beneficial, the third is just a red herring people throw up when their arguements fall apart.
So the objective is to take your red herring and make it actually relevant like the other two which means starting it all over again in a different manner.
Its quite funny really as starting the third one again and making it relevant will actually complete the other two as well since they are still not quite finished.

[MH]

.................................................. ........The related ones were beneficial, the third is just a red herring people throw up when their arguements fall apart.
.
Thats what you say....or some people say.
You just could write that i lie as well.




Its quite funny really as starting the third one again and making it relevant will actually complete the other two as well since they are still not quite finished.
Thats very optimistic..oversimplified classical thinking....
For now lets see how the first one will turn out.
All the Palestinian State thing blew up in Israelis faces after Oslo agreements.
Arafat got Nobel peace prize if you remember and it took long time to put terrorist activities under some sort of control as it is right know.
Israelis are now more carfull.
You know....i think its better for Palestinians in west bank as well because they enjoy relatively peacefully life compared to Gaza.
Alternative may be turning Rammala which has grown and developed a lot with foreign investments in last 10 years to next Gaza.
Peace process with Palestinians its not a matter of you are there we are here and lets live happily ever after.
You can google political roots of conflict and read about as much as you want.
It has not much to do with reality as it is right now.
You have to understand that todays Arab society has to change and Palestinian in particular.
West Bank just might be in the right direction but is still in fragile situation.

[Blood_splat]

Intermission break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A

[Tribesman]

Thats what you say....or some people say.
You just could write that i lie as well.


I only write that you lie when you not only lie but are clearly doing it.
If you didn't feel the need to lie on occasion in these topics then I wouldn't have written that you were lying.

Thats very optimistic..oversimplified classical thinking....

Nothing is that simple about it, however the basics are simple.

For now lets see how the first one will turn out.


Do you think it will blow up with the changes?

All the Palestinian State thing blew up in Israelis faces after Oslo agreements.

Agreements?
Almost all the proposals blew up in everyones faces due to intransigence on key issues from both bodies.

You have to understand that todays Arab society has to change and Palestinian in particular.

But you also have to understand that todays Isreali society has to change and settlers in particular.

[Schroeder]

Oh, and I said it first. Schroeder was parroting me. :O:
Capitalistic propaganda!:nope:
I didn't parrot, I just copied.:stare:

[MH]

I only write that you lie when you not only lie but are clearly doing it.
If you didn't feel the need to lie on occasion in these topics then I wouldn't have written that you were lying.
.
I dont lie - dont need to.



Nothing is that simple about it, however the basics are simple.
.
You cant start just with the basic.






Agreements?
Almost all the proposals blew up in everyones faces due to intransigence on key issues from both bodies.

OK it did not work....




But you also have to understand that todays Isreali society has to change and settlers in particular.

Settlers if it was THE ISSUE would be just great.
What electoral force settlers have ?
Actually they are totally pissed with now days and past governments.
They feel abandoned.

Its just this bla bla PA game for Palestians and that EU like to listen.

[redsocialist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsCfZzZEe0

[MH]

OK ok you are a Star a Red Star now STFU

[Gerald]

Can't Touch Me,nothing wrong with the song, although I think it is a bit out of place..

[redsocialist]

OK ok you are a Star a Red Star now STFU

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/madam.jpg
Yes ma'am. Btw, that was my intermission video...
Not saying that about myself :nope:

[Feuer Frei!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsCfZzZEe0

I don't get the relevance to the thread,
i must admit i am getting a little tired of this, if the OP can't keep relevance to the topic, then what is the point of posting it in the first place?

[redsocialist]

I don't get the relevance to the thread,
i must admit i am getting a little tired of this, if the OP can't keep relevance to the topic, then what is the point of posting it in the first place?

Lol, did you see my post? Its an intermission video again. I think thats a good idea, so everyone clams down and just realize its just an internet game forum, and not take things so seriously? idk :hmmm:

[MH]

Lol, did you see my post? Its an intermission video again. I think thats a good idea, so everyone clams down and just realize its just an internet game forum, and not take things so seriously? idk :hmmm:

We are all calm.
You just seem to be the buger on the loose.

[redsocialist]

We are all calm.
You just seem to be the buger on the loose.

:shucks:

[Sailor Steve]

So back to Steve with my "No it wasn't", it was occupied territory which Jordan held, it wasn't owned by Jordan.
So who was it owned by? The "Palestinians"? Were there any "Palestinians" prior to the PLO?

[Jimbuna]

Where's Chris and his Tater Tots? :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

@MH
I dont lie - dont need to.

Unfortunately you have on several occasions, normally before you rant about assumptions you are making about sources and concerning events which don't look good from your position.

You cant start just with the basic.


Unless you get the basics right in the first place everything else is a waste of time as it will fall apart.

OK it did not work....

Indeed, the same old stumbling points for both sides, thats basics isn't it.

Settlers if it was THE ISSUE would be just great.
What electoral force settlers have ?

Plenty, after all nationally where would the current government be without the settler parties?
On a local level just look at your own location, they carry power way beyond their number.

They feel abandoned.

Don't they appreciate permanantly sucking off welfare?
Don't they appreciate the government telling your biggest ally to F.Off on their behalf?

@Steve

So who was it owned by?
Certainly not Israel or Jordan(or for the southern front Egypt).
The "Palestinians"?
It would have to be wouldn't it. ownership would be set aside for the proposed Palestinian State.
Were there any "Palestinians" prior to the PLO?
You can do better than that.
How prior do you want to go?

[Sailor Steve]

I already posted the link that goes all the way back to the beginning. And no, the current "Palestinians" didn't exist as a separate nation, and land wasn't set aside for them. They were indeed a part of Jordan.

And you're still not linking the person who posted, so we know who you're talking to. Maybe I'll start answering five posts down with no quotes at all.

[Tribesman]

@Steve
I already posted the link that goes all the way back to the beginning.
Sorry, I thought you posted that Horowitz rubbish as a joke.
Do you really want that article to be taken seriously?

And no, the current "Palestinians" didn't exist as a separate nation, and land wasn't set aside for them.
The Irish didn't exist, Pakistanis didn't exist Americans didn't exist.
Palestinians as a legal entity rather than a historical one came in with the citizenship rules set out after WW1
The provisions for land set aside came into being with the development of the mandate also in particular with the allocation of former Ottoman govt. holdings held in trust for the population by the mandatory power

They were indeed a part of Jordan.

Not in the slightest, its in black and white in the mandate and in the partition plan.
Plus of course Jordan only occupied those lands after a date when the law says they cannot take land.
So no way can there possibly be any Jordanian claim whatsoever in the slightest for ownsership any more than there can be any Israeli claim.
Sorry Steve, it really is that simple, the "Jordanian ownership" claim you made falls at every fence, in truth it really gets disqualified long before the race starts

[MH]

@MH

Unfortunately you have on several occasions, normally before you rant about assumptions you are making about sources and concerning events which don't look good from your position.


Just your assumption.


Unless you get the basics right in the first place everything else is a waste of time as it will fall apart.

They have their basic rights and more.
For many the rights are up to PA.
Israeli Palestinians have full rights and they don't complain about apartheid state as some left activist in England or elsewhere.
Actually as i tried to explain to you they don't want to be part of Palestinian state.
Ask Arabs in eastern Jerusalem where they would prefer to live.
Israel or Palestine.

Indeed, the same old stumbling points for both sides, thats basics isn't it.


Stop running in circles.

Plenty, after all nationally where would the current government be without the settler parties?

There is one pary with 3 seats.

On a local level just look at your own location, they carry power way beyond their number.

My own location....you have no idea.
What do you understand that its not about settling west bank anymore.




Don't they appreciate permanantly sucking off welfare?
Don't they appreciate the government telling your biggest ally to F.Off on their behalf?
?

Again shooting in the dark?
You talking about orthodox or settlers?
I actually work with a few.
Orthodox and Palestinians are the biggest welfare suckers.

[Tribesman]

@MH
Just your assumption.

easily demonstrated as true:up:

They have their basic rights and more........

What on earth are you on about?

Stop running in circles.

It is going in circles and will forever go in circles until the basics are sorted.

There is one pary with 3 seats.

:har::har::har::har::har:
Only if you redifine settler parties as only one particular offshoot of ever splitting parties and groupings.

My own location....you have no idea.

You have said you live in Jerusalem, was that another example of you making things up?

What do you understand that its not about settling west bank anymore.


Yes settling occupied territory isn't an issue and some famous politician didn't just yesterday complain to your great leader about the continuing building of settlements and deliberate blocking of any moves towards peace.


Again shooting in the dark?
You talking about orthodox or settlers?

Settlers as that is the scope of the discussion, which of course includes those ultras who are settlers.
What the ultra othodox do in Isreali land and their over reliance on welfare is outside the issue.

[MH]

@MH

easily demonstrated as true:up:

.
You never demonstrated anything.



What on earth are you on about?
.
What you talking about?

@
It is going in circles and will forever go in circles until the basics are sorted.

.

Good luck.

@
:har::har::har::har::har:
Only if you redifine settler parties as only one particular offshoot of ever splitting parties and groupings.
.
:damn::damn::damn::damn:

@
You have said you live in Jerusalem, was that another example of you making things up?


No i never make things up you just like to claim this way when something doesn't meet your view.
You actually never succeeded in really contradict my "lies".


Yes settling occupied territory isn't an issue and some famous politician didn't just yesterday complain to your great leader about the continuing building of settlements and deliberate blocking of any moves towards peace.

Great Leader?
If you view current PM as great leader we have really nothing to talk about.
I say it even tho i did not vote for his party.



Settlers as that is the scope of the discussion, which of course includes those ultras who are settlers.
What the ultra othodox do in Isreali land and their over reliance on welfare is outside the issue.
That great statement-i think i need a lawyer.
You have no clue what you talking about.
Keep goggling.

[Tribesman]

You actually never succeeded in really contradict my "lies".

Oh dear.
So then when you insist something isn't true and doesn't happen and continue again and again to make that claim it does well establish your position.
When you then eventually concede that maybe it is true but only a little bit and it doesn't happen that much so it isn't really that true its taking a small step away from your established position.
When you then go on after further prodding to concede that it does happen and is more than just a little and is true you have completely contradicted your repeated claims which means those claims you made were untrue.
That means they were lies, it may however be purt down to just a mistake and perhaps just mis-speaking....until you insist again that what you write is true which makes it a deliberate lie.
Unless of course you simply cannot remember claims you have made which makes it an ignorant lie instead of a deliberate lie.

What you talking about?

Basics.

Good luck.

Its you that needs the luck, after all its you thats paying.

:damn::damn::damn::damn:
Would you like to run through the relevant positions on that policy from all the multitude of parties and the links between the parties?:rotfl2:

Great Leader?

Indeed
Welcome to sarcasm.

You have no clue what you talking about.
Keep goggling.
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance.
Its sad really as you must have a bad memory since each time you have made similar comments it blows up in your face and demonstrates that it is you who has very little idea what they are talking about.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry, I thought you posted that Horowitz rubbish as a joke.
Do you really want that article to be taken seriously?

Why not? Can you go through it and show where it's wrong?

Simple insults aren't proof.

The Irish didn't exist, Pakistanis didn't exist Americans didn't exist.
Palestinians as a legal entity rather than a historical one came in with the citizenship rules set out after WW1
The Irish have existed on their separate island since forever. As for the Americans, nobody has said that we have any right to the land at all. We stole if fair and square.

The provisions for land set aside came into being with the development of the mandate also in particular with the allocation of former Ottoman govt. holdings held in trust for the population by the mandatory power.
Point taken, but while the Jews accepted the plan the Arabs rejected it. After the Bloody civil war Jordan took possession of the West Bank. The point still stands that no one complained about "Palestinian autonomy" under Jordanian rule.

[MH]

Oh dear.
So then when you insist something isn't true and doesn't happen and continue again and again to make that claim it does well establish your position.
When you then eventually concede that maybe it is true but only a little bit and it doesn't happen that much so it isn't really that true its taking a small step away from your established position.
When you then go on after further prodding to concede that it does happen and is more than just a little and is true you have completely contradicted your repeated claims which means those claims you made were untrue.
That means they were lies, it may however be purt down to just a mistake and perhaps just mis-speaking....until you insist again that what you write is true which makes it a deliberate lie.
Unless of course you simply cannot remember claims you have made which makes it an ignorant lie instead of a deliberate lie.
.
:haha: you are stubborn....





Its you that needs the luck, after all its you thats paying.
.
Exactly.


Would you like to run through the relevant positions on that policy from all the multitude of parties and the links between the parties?:rotfl2:

I'm too lazy for that.
Generally speaking 90% patties in Knesset share on view that Israel will withdraw from West Bank.
Question is on under what condition and nature of PA government ,security,border,territory exchange the last and the best refugee return etc.
Remember that there is an Palestinian Authority as well in the equation that has to agree or not on certain issues.
From my point of view if they want refugees to return to Israel we can keep on building in west bank.
Its two states for two peoples not two states for Palestinians.





Once again you demonstrate your ignorance.
Its sad really as you must have a bad memory since each time you have made similar comments it blows up in your face and demonstrates that it is you who has very little idea what they are talking about.

:har::har::har::har::har:

[Tribesman]

@Steve
Simple insults aren't proof.

What insults?
You wrote...
Now it's my turn for a fun link:

That suggests you knew it was as much biased crap as the link redsocialist provided.

Can you go through it and show where it's wrong?

Can you spot how many items of nonsense are in the first paragraph alone?
Would you like to me to go through the whole pile of crap and point each one out?

The Irish have existed on their separate island since forever.
Have they?
the Sinners might have the ourselvers alone line, but it has never really been the case.

Point taken, but while the Jews accepted the plan the Arabs rejected it.
Actually they didn't accept the plan.

The point still stands that no one complained about "Palestinian autonomy" under Jordanian rule.
Lots of people complained, especially the other arab countries involved

[MH]

Actually they didn't accept the plan.


Ill help you with that


Jewish reaction
The Jewish Agency criticized the UNSCOP majority proposal concerning Jerusalem, saying that the Jewish section of modern Jerusalem (outside the Walled City) should be included in the Jewish State.[73] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-72) During his testimony Ben Gurion indicated that he accepted the principle of partition, but stipulated: "To partition," according to the Oxford dictionary, means to divide a thing into two parts. Palestine is divided into three parts, and only in a small part are the Jews allowed to live. We are against that."[74] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-73)
The majority of the Jewish groups, and the Jewish Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency) subsequently announced their acceptance of the proposed Jewish State, and by implication the proposed international zone, and Arab State. However, it had been stipulated that the implementation of the plan did not make the establishment of one state or territory dependent on the establishment of the others.[75] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-74)
A minority of extreme nationalist Jewish groups like Menachem Begin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin)'s Irgun Tsvai Leumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun) and the Lehi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)) (known as the Stern Gang), which had been fighting the British, rejected the plan. Begin warned that the partition would not bring peace because the Arabs would also attack the small state and that "in the war ahead we'll have to stand on our own, it will be a war on our existence and future".[76] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-75)
Numerous records indicate the joy of Palestine's Jewish inhabitants as they attended to the U.N. session voting for the division proposal. Up to this day, Israeli history books mention November 29 (the date of this session) as the most important date in Israel's acquisition of independence, and many Israeli cities commemorate the date in their streets' names. However, Jews did criticize the lack of territorial continuity for the Jewish state.
Mehran Kamrava says Israeli sources often cite Jewish acceptance and Arab rejection of the U.N. partition plan as an example of the Zionists' desire for peaceful diplomacy and the Arabs' determination to wage war on the Jews. But he notes that more recent documentary analysis and interpretation of events leading up to and following the creation of the state of Israel fundamentally challenged many of the "myths" of what had actually happened in 1947 and 1948."[77] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-76) Simha Flapan wrote that it was a myth that Zionists accepted the UN partition and planned for peace, and that it was also a myth that Arabs rejected partition and launched a war.[78] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-77)
Chaim Weizmann commented on outside Arab interference with earlier partition proposals. He noted that Arab states, like Egypt and Iraq, had no legal standing in Palestinian affairs.[79] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-78) During the 1947 General Assembly Special Session on Palestine "The Egyptian representative explained, in reply to various statements, that the Arab States did not represent the Palestinian Arab population."[80] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-79) Avi Plascov says that the Arab countries had no intention of permitting the Palestinians a decisive role in the war or establishing a Palestinian state. He notes that the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) could not carry out its decisions and could not count on local Palestinian support.[81] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-Plascov_2008_2-80)
Arab reaction

The Arab leadership (in and out of Palestine) opposed the plan. The Arabs argued that it violated the rights of the majority of the people in Palestine, which at the time was 67% non-Jewish (1,237,000) and 33% Jewish (608,000).[83] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-82)
Arab leaders threatened the Jewish population of Palestine, speaking of "driving the Jews into the sea" and ridding Palestine "of the Zionist Plague".[84] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-83) On the eve of the Arab armies invasion, Azzam Pasha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_Hassan_Azzam), the General Secretary of the Arab League, "describing the fate of the Jews" is said to have declared: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".[85] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-84)[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-85)[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-86) However, Joffe and Romirowsky report that this "cannot be confirmed from cited sources".[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-87) Six days later, Azzam told reporters "We are fighting for an Arab Palestine. Whatever the outcome the Arabs will stick to their offer of equal citizenship for Jews in Arab Palestine and let them be as Jewish as they like. In areas where they predominate they will have complete autonomy."[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-88)
John Wolffe says that while Zionists tend to attributed Palestinian rejection of the plan to a mere intransigence, Arabs have always reiterated that it was rejected because it was unfair: it gave the majority of the land (56 percent) to the Jews, who at that stage legally owned only 7 percent of it,[90] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-89) and remained a minority of the population.[91] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-JohnWolffe-90) Mehran Kamrava also notes the disproportionate allocation under the plan, and adds that the area under Jewish control contained 45 percent of the Palestinian population. The proposed Arab state was only given 45 percent of the land, much of which was unfit for agriculture. Jaffa, though geographically separated, was to be part of the Arab state.[91] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-JohnWolffe-90) Eugene Bovis says that the Jewish leadership had rejected an earlier partition proposal because they felt it didn't allocate enough territory to the proposed Jewish state.[92] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-Bovis_1971_40-91)
Ian Bickerton says that few Palestinians joined the Arab Liberation Army because they suspected that the other Arab States did not plan on an independent Palestinian state. Bickerton says for that reason many Palestinians favored partition and indicated a willingness to live alongside a Jewish state.[93] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-92) He also mentions that the Nashashibi family backed King Abdullah and union with Transjordan.[94] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#cite_n ote-93) Abdullah appointed Ibrahim Hashem Pasha as the Governor of the Arab areas occupied by troops of the Arab League. He was a former Prime Minister of Transjordan who supported partition of Palestine as proposed by the Peel Commission and the United Nations. Fakhri Nashashibi and Ragheb Bey Nashashibi were leaders of the movement that opposed the Mufti during the mandate period. Both men accepted partition. Bey was the mayor of Jerusalem. He resigned from the Arab Higher Committee because he accepted the United Nations partition proposal. Fu’ad Nasar, the Secretary of Arab Workers Congress, also accepted partition. The United States declined to recognize the All-Palestine government in Gaza by explaining that it had accepted the UN Mediator's proposal. The Mediator had recommended that Palestine, as defined in the original Mandate including Transjordan, might form a union.Bernadotte's diary said the Mufti had lost credibility on account of his unrealistic predictions regarding the defeat of the Jewish militias. Bernadotte noted "It would seem as though in existing circumstances most of the Palestinian Arabs would be quite content to be incorporated in Transjordan."
British reaction

Britain announced that it would accept the partition plan, but refused to implement the plan by force, arguing it was not acceptable to both sides[c In September 1947, the British government announced that the Mandate for Palestine would end on May 14, 1948 Britain refused to share the administration of Palestine with the UN Palestine Commission during the transitional period or to assist in smoothly handing over territory or authority to any successor.

[Gerald]

Ill help you with that Good explanation for the above, :up:

[Tribesman]

Ill help you with that


Thank you, you prove my point very well.
But couldn't you have found a better source than wiki?
After all there is no shortage of good Israeli online records and comprehensive Israeli websites dealing with Israeli history and politics.

BTW would you like to explore the Jaffa problem the wiki touches upon as it mirrors todays problems?

[Sailor Steve]

Asking if I want the article taken seriously is an implication that it shouldn't be. That's not an explanation, or even an argument, but a simple dismissal.

Not at all. I said "fun", as in I like it.

No.

Yes.

Ireland, being an Island, should be autonomous. My opinion, anyway.

A simple statement. I guess the thinks I keep reading are all wrong, and I need you to set me straight.

Of course the Arabs are going to complain about the Jews. That's what they do.

[Tribesman]

Sorry, I thought you had posted it as a joke in response to another link.

"fun" can have different meanings

Why? they are easy.

In the first paragraph what simple mistake/misrepresentation does it make about the legal staus of the territory? How does that mistake/misrepresntation echo again and again throughout the article?

What does that have to do with "Irish" and their being?

Read the wiki MH posted for some basics.
Though for details of the proposals counter proposals acceptances and rejections you will have to look further. The UN archives and those of the Knesset are very good sources, Avalon keeps good collections of all the legal stuff.

errrrrrrr.....they were complaining about the Hashemites.

(Edit to add.....on #6 I think you are looking at it as just two sided when it is multi faceted)

[Gerald]

Israel on Thursday warned militants in the Gaza Strip not to 'test' the Jewish state, as fighter jets pounded targets across the coastal enclave after a Palestinian rocket attack.

http://article.wn.com/view/2011/02/24/Dont_test_Israel_Netanyahu_warns_Gaza_militants/


Note:Update Record,2011-02-24

[Tribesman]

Reuters keep up, thats just a rehash of the news story you already posted 9 pages ago:doh:

[Gerald]

Reuters keep up, thats just a rehash of the news story you already posted 9 pages ago:doh: A different perspective on the situation in the past, nothing else (yes one day "fresher" in time)

[Jimbuna]

LOL :DL

[Gerald]

LOL :DL Thank you Sir!

[Jimbuna]

A most interesting response :hmmm:

[Gerald]

A most interesting response :hmmm: :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Don't matter...try reading the thread again :DL